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[Ken Taylor]

"Dennis McMillan" <cocokiwi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news_idnSABouBmzHvcRVn-uQ@comcast.com...

Well! Ken.
Here in The Bay area of California it has Rained up a storm,in LA it has
dropped over 15" here in my area we got dumped on as well...two
things..Northern artic flow plus the pinapple express merged and dumpped
on
us! Such is Summer in Auckland! Enjoy your Holiday(grin)
I,m From Takapuna...Nth shore Haraki corner!
Cheers from a transplanted Aucklander
Dennis

Hey Dennis!

Still summer here, I guess this is the week. I'm a Shore guy too, though the
missus dragged me over the bridge to Epsom. We move back over to Devonport
next week though, so all is right with the world again.

Where in the Bays are you? I was over at Fremont a while back
decommissioning a satellite station - we pulled down antennas one by one and
re-erected them here in Auckland.

Cheers!

Ken
(actually a transplanted Aussie, but who's to know?)

 

[keith]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:33:48 -0800, JeffM wrote:

The Democratic party is now the party of the rich.
John Larkin

Since Reagan killed off the FCC's Fairness Clause,

Since the "Fairness Clause" was never in any way "fair", let it rest in
peace. The market of ideas is a far better regulator of "fair"
than the FCC could ever pretend to be. "Fairness" *might* have been
resonable before there were a thousand channels of TeeVee and a billion
Internet Bloggers.

you have to be rich to mount an effective campaign in the 1st place;

Clinton wasn't rich. Carter wasn't rich. It's hard to even say Bush is
rich, at least enough to *buy* an election. OTOH, I don't see BillyG as
emporer either.

corporate media sure won't give you air time for free --unless you're
Gov. Musclehead.

So, your point (other than the one on your shoulders) is? Why should
anyone get anything *free*? Do you think you're somehow owed something?

--
Keith

 

[keith]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 20:03:37 -0800, JeffM wrote:

Since the "Fairness Clause" was never in any way "fair"
Keith Williams

It was better than what we have now.

You're sick. With the "Fairness Clause" Dan Blather would never have been
ferreted out. Perhpas you think that's somehow "beter", but I certainly
don't.

you have to be rich to mount an effective campaign in the 1st place
JeffM

Clinton wasn't rich. Carter wasn't rich...Bush [isn't rich]

No, but their parties were
--and all other parties were largely locked out of the process.

Ah, so you want to shif the goalposts. Go right ahead and make a further
fool of yourself.

I don't see BillyG as [emperor] either.

Shoot. I thought you were using a new word I could learn.

Tupos happen. Fools are.

Do you think you're somehow owed something?

As an equal owner of the airwaves (with all other Americans), yes I do.
Any candidate who can demonstrate support above a specified threshold
should get an equal chance to be heard in the market of ideas. The
current number of TeeVee channels or anything else is irrelevant.

You bloody fool, why do you think *you* have any right to tell another
what to say? There is plenty of room (and bandwidth, unless your brain
is limited to the 12 lower channels) in the market for different ideas,
it's certainly better than the bland non-intelligible crap from
NBC/CBS/ABC.

The Fairness Docterine was simply a ideological monopoly for the
broadcasters. They could say anything without the other side having any
voice. ...which is exactly what you're proposing. Fuck you!

--
Keith

 

[Ales Hvezda]

Hi,

I usually like spending my free time working on the code rather than
posting to USENET, but I want to address some of the points from the
previous poster in this thread.


[snip]

* Linux distro & revision level
* Installation flavor (i.e. RedHat comes in "personal",
"workstation",
"server", and so on. SuSE comes in "personal" and
"professional").

RedHat 9, Workstation, upgraded to the latest fixes on FreshRPM's
apt-get
repository.

When I first read your response, I was quite curious to see for myself
if a stock RedHat 9 system really does have so much trouble installing
gEDA/gaf or running Stuart's gEDA Suite CD installer, so I ran a little
experiment: I installed stock RedHat 9.0 (Shrike) into a completely new
system (using vmware):

# cat /etc/issue
Red Hat Linux release 9 (Shrike)

and then installed gEDA/gaf and the Suite CD. Both installed
almost out-of-the-box. I followed the INSTALLs and READMEs that
can be found at:

http://geda.seul.org/download.html

The only change I made was to add /usr/local/lib into ld.so.conf
(and re-ran ldconfig). I have the build typescript to the gEDA/gaf
build/install if you want to see the evidence.

I'm guessing that those rpms from FreshRPM that you installed, changed
the standard packages (like gtk+) in a way that they are no longer
standard or similar to the upstream source packages. See below.


[snip]

: other distributions use differing names for some of the normal
system
: libraries. (GTK+ 2 comes to mind)

Redhat 9 calls GTK+ 2.0 GTK2, but your configuration scripts are
looking for
GTK+-2.0 So they don't find GTK2, and back down to GTK+ 1.2

Hmmm, on my newly installed RedHat 9.0 system, gtk+ 2.0 is in
fact called gtk+-2.0, i.e. the following works:

$ pkg-config gtk+-2.0 --cflags --libs
-I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include
-I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/X11R6/include
-I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0
-I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -Wl,--export-dynamic -lgtk-x11-2.0
-lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lpangoxft-1.0
-lpangox-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lglib-2.0

Also on my all of my Debian systems (both testing and unstable)
the above pkg-config gtk+-2.0 also works fine.

I don't think I have personally seen a Linux (or other OS)
distribution (and I routinely test gEDA/gaf on common distributions and
configurations) that has renamed gtk+'s pkg name to GTK2.

Your scripts on the latest version of gSchem cannot find the dynamic
links
for libstroke, or libgdg* , even though they are in /usr/local/lib
(with
all the other libraries it did find):

$ ls /usr/local/lib/libst*

/usr/local/lib/libstroke.a /usr/local/lib/libstroke.so.0
[snip]
$ ls /usr/local/lib/libgdg*
/usr/local/lib/libgdgeda.a /usr/local/lib/libgdgeda.so.6
[snip]

$ ldd `which gschem`

libstroke.so.0 => not found
[snip]
libgdgeda.so.6 => not found
[snip]

Yeah, these libraries are in /usr/local/lib, but you need to
tell ld.so (dynamic linker/loader) where to look for them. You need to
either 1) set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point there or 2) add /usr/local/lib
to ld.so.conf. The final alternative is to use rpath (not recommended
by various people, but that's a whole different debate), but you would
have to add that to the Makefiles yourself.


[snip]

In the past, using source and ./configure, make, and make install, it
did
do the right thing, but this latest 2004 release behaves differently.

I haven't really changed how gEDA/gaf is configured or compiled
in a quite some time, so if you had success with previous releases,
something else has changed.


[snip]

systems which will and won't work. Did you read the README?

Absolutely! And I am running RedHat 9, a system that should work...
All
the versions of my various tools are at or above the rev levels
required.

Yeah, sounds like you are running a RedHat 9 system which has
been upgraded and somehow the upgraded pieces are not what the gEDA/gaf
../configure scripts expect.

The first time I ran the CDROM install, it built and installed the
symbols
libraries at least 20 times before I killed the process. (I was
getting
curious as to why it was taking so long, and why every hour or so I
would
look at it and it was building the symbols yet again.)

Yes, I observed this as well and it is a bug. However, if you
let it run, it will eventually finish (it did for me). I have a pretty
good idea why this is happening. Stuart and I will fix this for the
next rev of the suite CD.


[snip]

I have a definite desire for gEDA to succeed, as I think
GPL'd software is the future. But at this stage, gEDA 20041228
shouldn't have been released to the public. If a guy like me who
[snip]

Interestingly enough, 20041228 has been out for ~18 days and
I haven't heard of anybody else having build problems (using gtk+
2.2.x/2.4.x; trying to compile with gtk+ 2.6.x is another matter
because of a function name clash in my code, already fixed in CVS .

Thanks for the feedback.

-Ales
--
Ales Hvezda
ahvezda 0x40 seul.org
http://geda.seul.org/

 

[JeffM]

Any candidate who can demonstrate support above a specified threshold
should get an equal chance to be heard in the market of ideas.
JeffM

why do you think *you* have any right to tell another what to say?
Keith Williams

Not *what to say*.
You've managed to miss my main point entirely.
Here it is again:

Any candidate who can demonstrate support above a specified threshold
should get an equal chance to be heard in the market of ideas.
To expand:

To consider a politician's idea, it has to be heard.
The point is *the opportunity to say it in a meaningful forum*.

I said:

Any candidate who can demonstrate support above a specified threshold

You seem to be saying that money is the only metric of worth;

if you can't buy out the corporate media, you don't deserve air time.
You also seem to be saying that exclusion is a good thing.
We tried exclusion before 1965. It didn't work well.

the bland non-intelligible crap from NBC/CBS/ABC

I'm not talking about talking heads from the network.

I'm talking about candidates going head-to-head.

#*(& you!

No thanks. I'll pass.

 

[John S. Dyson]

In article <1105848217.889807.318670@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"JeffM" <jeffm_@email.com> writes:

Since the "Fairness Clause" was never in any way "fair"
Keith Williams

It was better than what we have now.

Setting limits to free political speech will cause it

to either stop or become irrelevent. In the case of talk radio,
it would be advantageous for the left to destroy it.
It seems like the left is doing very well on the internet (yet
another kind of communications and 'publishing.') It would be
attrocious for anti-free speech legislation to succeed against
either the internet or talk radio.

Those who advocate for the government to try to control
free POLITICAL speech are mostly doing so for the benefit
of their own political interests.

It is VERY IMPORTANT to avoid conflating POLITICAL speech
with ENTERTAINMENT speech that has little/no political
content. Speech that is commercial instead of political
is certainly subject to a little more regulation -- e.g.
advert billboards, paid radio adverts or other business signage.
Political advertisements on someone's lawn SHOULD be relatively
protected, and as long as the property owner is responsible
(doesn't leave signage trash in their yard, etc), then political
notices SHOULD be allowed.

If someone is expressing their opinion (without being paid for
a given opinion -- e.g. NOT Armstrong's behavior), then that
should be/is protected speech. If someone is being paid to
express a certain opinion, then that is probably subject to
some kind of regulation.

Paid political speech shouldn't be interfered with -- but
it is disappointing that the current/recent US government
has worked to suppress certain kinds of political speech.

you have to be rich to mount an effective campaign in the 1st place
JeffM

Clinton wasn't rich. Carter wasn't rich...Bush [isn't rich]

No, but their parties were
--and all other parties were largely locked out of the process.

Soros is incredibly rich (far more than Bush, Carter, Clinton.) Kerry

and wife are very rich also.

As an equal owner of the airwaves (with all other Americans), yes I do.
Any candidate who can demonstrate support above a specified threshold
should get an equal chance to be heard in the market of ideas.

If the government starts managing the airwaves again, then the current free

speech similar to newspapers will be suppressed.

Historically, anyone who could own a newspaper had more 'free speech'
than other people. In a similar way, the radio stations are now 'free'
in a way similar to newspapers.

 

[Chuck Harris]

Stuart Brorson wrote:

In sci.electronics.cad Ales Hvezda <ahvezda@seul.org> wrote:
: Hi,

: I usually like spending my free time working on the code rather than
: posting to USENET, but I want to address some of the points from the
: previous poster in this thread.

Now that's something extraordinary! The main creator of gEDA responds
to a bug report on Usenet! When was the last time you saw a developer
for Orcad respond to any bug report?

So what was that complaint about F/OSS lacking support??. . . . .

You will never hear that complaint from me!

: I followed the INSTALLs and READMEs that
: can be found at:

: http://geda.seul.org/download.html

: The only change I made was to add /usr/local/lib into ld.so.conf
: (and re-ran ldconfig).

This is an intersting observation; this library is a standard library
to store .so files. Why doesn't RedHat already have this in
ld.so.conf?

RedHat puts all of its user libraries in /usr/lib. Debian uses both
/usr/lib, and /usr/local/lib. gEDA installs its dynamic libraries in
/usr/local/lib, but doesn't bother to check the ld.so paths.

....Also, I have never had to do this. Is this a

libstroke-only thing? I should look into this; I can easily add
/usr/local/lib to the LD_LIBRARY_PATH at the start of the install
program.

[. . . snip . . . ]

: Hmmm, on my newly installed RedHat 9.0 system, gtk+ 2.0 is in
: fact called gtk+-2.0, i.e. the following works:

Yeah, I've never seen them called anything other than this. If your
distro calls them something else, it's a problem with your distro.

Nope! GTK2 is what redhat has always called this package.

Do an "rpm -qi gtk2" on your system. I bet it comes up the same
as mine does. All of the appropriate libraries for gtk+ 2.0 are in
their standard places in my directory tree (/usr/lib/gtk-2.0)

Not that that excuses a failed install. Rather, the capability to
configure for this name for GTK should be built into the installer.
Again, what is your distro, and where did you get it? Can you point
to web documentation about this change to GTK? I'd like to
check into this oddity.

I am certain the problem comes from RedHat not using pkg-config at all
in their system. As a result, there isn't a directory full of '.pc'
files that describe all of the packages installed in the system.

:> The first time I ran the CDROM install, it built and installed the
: symbols
:> libraries at least 20 times before I killed the process. (I was
: getting
:> curious as to why it was taking so long, and why every hour or so I
: would
:> look at it and it was building the symbols yet again.)

: Yes, I observed this as well and it is a bug. However, if you
: let it run, it will eventually finish (it did for me). I have a pretty
: good idea why this is happening. Stuart and I will fix this for the
: next rev of the suite CD.

This occurred because the installer configured each program
individually, and each program had the symbols in its dependency
tree. Therefore, the symbols were blindly rebuilt for each program in
the suite. If you had let the program churn along (as it says in the
README), you would have eventually gotten through this.

After several hours, and my observing the symbols getting rebuilt
repeatedly, I shut it down. I ran it again, and got busy and walked
away (scary to do with a root installer!) and it had completed.

Anyway, we will change the way dependencies are handled in the next
build. We take real, substantive, detailed bug reports seriously;
fixing issues which users notice is how F/OSS is hardened over time.

Stuart




-Chuck Harris

 

[Rich Grise]

On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 10:25:16 +0000, Stuart Brorson wrote:

In sci.electronics.cad Ales Hvezda <ahvezda@seul.org> wrote:
: Hi,

: I usually like spending my free time working on the code rather than
: posting to USENET, but I want to address some of the points from the
: previous poster in this thread.

Now that's something extraordinary! The main creator of gEDA responds
to a bug report on Usenet! When was the last time you saw a developer
for Orcad respond to any bug report?

Once I figured out that gEDA might be something to look at, I went to the
site, and reading the FAQ, I had a very .. kewl .. feeling come over me
when he says, "Config files will always be ASCII text, because I said so."

Right On! ;-)

I plan on installing it with Slack tools, and possibly come up with a
"real" Slack package, although I should try RPM2tgz first.

And, by the way, Thanks!

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Stuart Brorson]

In article <yLydnbmsjclgcnfcRVn-tw@rcn.net> you wrote:
: Hi Ales,

: Ales Hvezda wrote:
:> Hi,
:>
:> I usually like spending my free time working on the code rather than
:> posting to USENET, but I want to address some of the points from the
:> previous poster in this thread.

: Thank you, I appreciate your time. I would prefer not to use this
: forum for detailed debugging, but since I started this, and have no
: interest in performing a hit-and-run tar & feather job, I guess we have
: to resolve the problems here in public.

OK, this is getting interesting. Here are the issues noticed, and
their resolution:

* gschem wants /etc/ld.so.conf to have a link to /usr/local/lib in
it. I am suprised that it is not in RH9, but I'll take your word for
it. Yes, I know that RH puts all it's stuff in /usr/lib & most GNU
goes by default into /usr/local/lib. They each adhere to a different
standard -- there are so many to choose from!

We will look at checking & setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH to include
/usr/local/lib when the setup program runs.


* pkg-config. Pkg-config is a configuration utility which reports
back info about what compile and load flags should be set when
building a package. It is not new, nor specific to any distribution.
It's used by configure and make when doing a build. I think it was
introduced by the gtk folks themselves. Here's an example
run, for a totally random package, openssl:

[sdb@localhost /etc]$ pkg-config openssl --cflags
-I/usr/kerberos/include

It returns the compiler flag -I/usr/kerberos/include, which tells gcc
where to find my kerberos/include stuff.

Pkg-config should live on your system too. It calls the gtk2 stuff
"gtk+-2.0", and returns the following:

[sdb@localhost /etc]$ pkg-config gtk+-2.0 --cflags
-I/usr//include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr//lib/gtk-2.0/include
-I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/pango-1.0
-I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr//include/glib-2.0
-I/usr//lib/glib-2.0/include

Try that out on your system too. You should get a similar result.

Anyway, I think you and Ales are having a nomenclature disagreement.
The RPM calls it gtk2, but pkg-config (which is used in configuring
and making gEDA) calls it gtk+-2.0.


* Symbols. The installer *did* run to it's end once you left it
alone. We agree that there was a dependency issue causing each
gEDA/gaf program to remake the symbols as it built each program in
sequence. Next time, just relax and let it build.

How long did you let it spin before you pulled the plug, anyway? A
typical install session with the CD can run 1 -- 2 hours, depending
upon the speed of the machine.


* Installing into /usr/local/bin. Actually, for the installer, I
recommend installing your sources into /usr/local/src/geda-sources,
(maybe geda-sources-20041228, or whatever version you use) and
installing your executables into /usr/local/geda. Then put
/usr/local/geda into your $PATH. That way you can nuke it if you ever
need to.

:> Interestingly enough, 20041228 has been out for ~18 days and
:> I haven't heard of anybody else having build problems (using gtk+
:> 2.2.x/2.4.x; trying to compile with gtk+ 2.6.x is another matter
:> because of a function name clash in my code, already fixed in CVS .

: 18 days isn't all that long. Have you heard of any *new* users that
: have successfully built the system? That would be a more interesting
: bit of information.

We have tested this new installer on several machines with several
people, but they all knew what they were doing (gEDA-wise, that is).
A total newbie install is the experiment we are running on you.

Stuart

 

[Chuck Harris]

Stuart Brorson wrote:

OK, this is getting interesting. Here are the issues noticed, and
their resolution:

* gschem wants /etc/ld.so.conf to have a link to /usr/local/lib in
it. I am suprised that it is not in RH9, but I'll take your word for
it. Yes, I know that RH puts all it's stuff in /usr/lib & most GNU
goes by default into /usr/local/lib. They each adhere to a different
standard -- there are so many to choose from!

We will look at checking & setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH to include
/usr/local/lib when the setup program runs.

The use of LD_LIBRARY_PATH has been depreciated for years. I was
rather perturbed when gEDA dredged it up and made me set it. It is
a seriously bad idea to use it in a global way on any system.

* pkg-config. Pkg-config is a configuration utility which reports
back info about what compile and load flags should be set when
building a package. It is not new, nor specific to any distribution.
It's used by configure and make when doing a build. I think it was
introduced by the gtk folks themselves. Here's an example
run, for a totally random package, openssl:

[sdb@localhost /etc]$ pkg-config openssl --cflags
-I/usr/kerberos/include

It returns the compiler flag -I/usr/kerberos/include, which tells gcc
where to find my kerberos/include stuff.

Pkg-config should live on your system too. It calls the gtk2 stuff
"gtk+-2.0", and returns the following:

[sdb@localhost /etc]$ pkg-config gtk+-2.0 --cflags
-I/usr//include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr//lib/gtk-2.0/include
-I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/pango-1.0
-I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr//include/glib-2.0
-I/usr//lib/glib-2.0/include

Try that out on your system too. You should get a similar result.

Pkg-config does live on my system, but it does nothing interesting
because there are no .pc files on my RH9 system. AFAIK there never were.
I have compiled numerous packages, and gEDA is the first I have found
that requires pkg-config. Further, your detection of gtk2 is the only
package in gEDA that ./configure misses. Until I built my first version
of gEDA, PKG_CONFIG_PATH wasn't even set on my machine. (I cannot prove
it, but I don't think it is set by any RH9 system)

Anyway, I think you and Ales are having a nomenclature disagreement.
The RPM calls it gtk2, but pkg-config (which is used in configuring
and making gEDA) calls it gtk+-2.0.

Again, your incantation of ./configure cannot find gtk2 on my system,
but it has no trouble finding gtk+. When it decides it cannot find
"gtk+-2.0" it checks for gtk+ (version 1.2something), finds it and
goes along merrily.

* Symbols. The installer *did* run to it's end once you left it
alone. We agree that there was a dependency issue causing each
gEDA/gaf program to remake the symbols as it built each program in
sequence. Next time, just relax and let it build.

How long did you let it spin before you pulled the plug, anyway? A
typical install session with the CD can run 1 -- 2 hours, depending
upon the speed of the machine.

I'm running a 666 MHz machine, and I waited several hours before I
decided (mistakenly) that it was spinning its wheels. I tried it later,
and let it spin until completion. I would guess that this installer bug
increases the compile and install time by about 10 times.

* Installing into /usr/local/bin. Actually, for the installer, I
recommend installing your sources into /usr/local/src/geda-sources,
(maybe geda-sources-20041228, or whatever version you use) and
installing your executables into /usr/local/geda. Then put
/usr/local/geda into your $PATH. That way you can nuke it if you ever
need to.

I am 99% sure that there is some info in the installer's documentation
that says if you install as root, it will automatically put everything
in /usr/local/, and that includes the project files. I *know* I
read that somewhere in gEDA's documentation, and it seems to behave
that way with the ./configure type of install. I distinctly remember
reading something that said you needed to give all users r/w access to
the /usr/local/ directory tree. This is something that I do not want
to have, so I have been doing my installs in user mode.

:> Interestingly enough, 20041228 has been out for ~18 days and
:> I haven't heard of anybody else having build problems (using gtk+
:> 2.2.x/2.4.x; trying to compile with gtk+ 2.6.x is another matter
:> because of a function name clash in my code, already fixed in CVS .

: 18 days isn't all that long. Have you heard of any *new* users that
: have successfully built the system? That would be a more interesting
: bit of information.

We have tested this new installer on several machines with several
people, but they all knew what they were doing (gEDA-wise, that is).
A total newbie install is the experiment we are running on you.

Don't be insulting, I had the previous version of gEDA working on my
system before I tried to use the 20041228 install CDROM.

I have been using gerbv for years now. I had zero problems compiling
and installing it.

-Chuck

 

[dd]

In message <2lodu0ptc6g0lsk90kah4ljtfb2nvd10mh@4ax.com>, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> writes

On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:59:44 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:

[snip]

According to Mr Omega, it's down to 46F outside my office window. The
Extech IR claims 47, a remarkable correlation. Still brutally cold.

John

For us westerners ;-)

...Jim Thompson
Much is being made of global dimming temporary compensating the

greenhouse effect.
Measured Water evaporation rate (a standard test carried out for 100?
Years) has dropped steadily and globally due to dimming over 50 years
When we run out of dimming warming speeds up.
Is this discussed anywhere?



--
dd

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:20:21 +0000, dd <dd@ddwyer.demon.co.uk> wrote:

In message <2lodu0ptc6g0lsk90kah4ljtfb2nvd10mh@4ax.com>, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> writes
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:59:44 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:

[snip]

According to Mr Omega, it's down to 46F outside my office window. The
Extech IR claims 47, a remarkable correlation. Still brutally cold.

John

For us westerners ;-)

...Jim Thompson
Much is being made of global dimming temporary compensating the
greenhouse effect.
Measured Water evaporation rate (a standard test carried out for 100?
Years) has dropped steadily and globally due to dimming over 50 years
When we run out of dimming warming speeds up.
Is this discussed anywhere?

And where did this hare-brained idea originate?

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[John Larkin]

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:35:53 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:

gwhite wrote:
Winfield Hill wrote:

Ross Mac wrote...

That's an interesting statement (soviet national anthem) since the "blue
states" believe in a political philosophy that boarders on socialism????

Totally false, and a gratuitous smear on half the country.


It's sometimes difficult to give someone a pointer on where to start, but
perhaps this is as good as any:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0761501657/

There are, without any serious question, socialist roots to much of the left's
political platform. The American left does not embrace the "hot" socialism of
the soviets, but certainly it does embrace "cold" socialism. Hiding socialism
under the guise of the welfare state, hidden taxes, and the regulation of every
affair imaginable does not make a spade anything other than a spade.

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions." -- someone

I notice you ignorant jerk offs have no problem with federal economic
subsidies to red state industries which exceed that of the blue states.
And you would be right- that is not socialism- it IS welfare. You
*things* make me sick- try to understand the meaning of rationalization
and then realize you should just shut the hell up.

Fred believes in an ideal world where everyone hates everybody else
with equal ferocity.

John

 

[Chuck Harris]

Chuck Harris wrote:

Hi Ales,

Ales Hvezda wrote:

Hi,

I usually like spending my free time working on the code rather than
posting to USENET, but I want to address some of the points from the
previous poster in this thread.


Thank you, I appreciate your time. I would prefer not to use this
forum for detailed debugging, but since I started this, and have no
interest in performing a hit-and-run tar & feather job, I guess we have
to resolve the problems here in public.

Hi Ales and Stuart,

I have finally spent the time to track down all of the problems I was
having installing the gEDA suite, and I now think I have a successful
build from using the CDROM.

The two things that messed up my build were:

1) I installed pkg-config using the package included with gEDA, only
I think I built it as user, and installed it as root. This made the
search paths all be based in my home directory, and not in /usr.
My redhat installed pkg-config was in /usr/bin, and my gEDA installed
pkg-config was in /usr/local/bin. /usr/local/bin comes first in my
path, so I was working with the defective version. That's what I get
for trying to upgrade pkg-config outside of the rpm/apt-get system.

2) my /etc/ld.so.conf file was stock RedHat, with some additions by other
package installations. It did not include /usr/local/lib in its search
paths.


Problems/complaints:

1) I don't like to see LD_LIBRARY_PATH and PKG_CONFIG_PATH globally set.
They provide a capability for testing new versions of system libraries.
I don't believe they were intended to be used system wide. For that
you should add the path to the appropriate /etc/xxxx.conf file. It's
a shame there isn't one for pkg-config (AFAIK)

2) The schematics in the examples are all composed of main pages with
the transistors and diodes being subpages. There is no obvious (to me
the new user) way of making the link so the transistors appear on the
schematic. Examples are presumably meant for new inexperienced users,
and as such should work flawlessly.

3) There are no examples of projects for use with the gEDA project manager.

4) I know it is easier for the developer to run ./configure at the root of
each package, but there ought to be a way to only do it once for the whole
system when you are using Stuart's installer program.

5) There is really no good reason to rebuild and reinstall the symbols a
dozen or more times. It significantly adds to the build time.


Anyway, it seems to be running, and I will begin to explore the construction
of a project from start to finish. I'm sure that task will keep me quite
busy.

Thanks for the help, and inspite of the problems I had installing, please
know that I think you guys have done a magnificent jog thus far.

-Chuck Harris

 

[Rich Grise]

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:29:53 -0500, Mark Jones wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
....
And where did this hare-brained idea originate?

...Jim Thompson

Careful, I've seen what might be 'bots' which post semi-intelligent
replies to conversations. I'm not talking about the garbage spam that
we all know like:

"3247n23.4.634&62##364 Red is wine flavor to color now? Debbie carat
eats fried grease and dies. Do you know DVD? PC sale not today free
purchase yeah! Tennis sports Debbie likes. Do you eat peas?"

Either that or maybe it's an AI that takes words from an existing
thread and rearranges them into a new post that mimics the topic. In
either case, it's either a person with poor english skills, or a
really intelligent AI.

I'm hoping it's the former, rather than latter.

Visit news:alt.religion.wicca sometime - there's pretty much a consensus
that "Lady Chatterly" is a bot.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Stuart Brorson]

In sci.electronics.cad Chuck Harris <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:

[. . . snip! . . . ]
: Problems/complaints:

: 1) I don't like to see LD_LIBRARY_PATH and PKG_CONFIG_PATH globally set.
: They provide a capability for testing new versions of system libraries.
: I don't believe they were intended to be used system wide. For that
: you should add the path to the appropriate /etc/xxxx.conf file. It's
: a shame there isn't one for pkg-config (AFAIK)

: 2) The schematics in the examples are all composed of main pages with
: the transistors and diodes being subpages. There is no obvious (to me
: the new user) way of making the link so the transistors appear on the
: schematic. Examples are presumably meant for new inexperienced users,
: and as such should work flawlessly.

: 3) There are no examples of projects for use with the gEDA project manager.

: 4) I know it is easier for the developer to run ./configure at the root of
: each package, but there ought to be a way to only do it once for the whole
: system when you are using Stuart's installer program.

: 5) There is really no good reason to rebuild and reinstall the symbols a
: dozen or more times. It significantly adds to the build time.


: Anyway, it seems to be running, and I will begin to explore the construction
: of a project from start to finish. I'm sure that task will keep me quite
: busy.

: Thanks for the help, and inspite of the problems I had installing, please
: know that I think you guys have done a magnificent jog thus far.

Thanks! We take your bug reports seriously, and will soon do another
CD release with at least some fixes to the problems you discovered. I
will take a look at the examples today. Keep watching the project page:

http://www.geda.seul.org/

Stuart

 

[gwhite]

Fred Bloggs wrote:

I notice you ignorant jerk offs have no problem with federal economic
subsidies to red state industries which exceed that of the blue states.

Goddamn you are a moron. "Subsidies" (yet another form of political rents) is
something I have a problem with.