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[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Mark Jones <abuse@127.0.0.1> wrote
(in <yeCdnWZ659r3TUPcRVn-tw@buckeye-express.com&gt about 'OT: Wild
Weather', on Fri, 7 Jan 2005:

What doesn't make sense is the last few thousand years of the graph. It
clearly should have started going into a colder period, but instead the
global temperature has stayed almost constant. So what we perceive as
being "no change" in global warming might actually be a "big deal."

Disclaimer: I'm no climatologist.

Who is? But the Milankovic cycle is quite irregular (at least three
uncorrelated periods - almost as bad as audio!), and it *seems to me*
not to be very well quantified (odd for a near-Earth astronomical
effect), so it *seems to me* to be difficult to be sure exactly what we
should 'expect'. For example, are we in an interglacial or has the
latest glaciation cycle ended, so that we should expect several million
years with no ice ages?
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness>
wrote (in <WOADd.52045$Cl3.34912@fed1read03&gt about 'OT: Wild Weather',
on Fri, 7 Jan 2005:

A cabbie once told me of some passengers he had from India who wanted
to try "American Food". He pointed at a strip of restaurants; Italian,
Japanese, Mexican, and so on, and said "That's American food". Smart
Cabbie.

That's like British food: pizza, chicken rogan josh and prawn green
curry. With nasi goreng, of course.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Chuck Harris]

Mark Jones wrote:

What doesn't make sense is the last few thousand years of the graph. It
clearly should have started going into a colder period, but instead the
global temperature has stayed almost constant. So what we perceive as
being "no change" in global warming might actually be a "big deal."

Disclaimer: I'm no climatologist.

If you are going to blame humans, that glitch better have started in the
last 100-200 years. 800 years ago, humans were insignificant producers of
greenhouse gasses. We still are, but we are making much more now than we
were prior to the industrial revolution. The active volcanos are making
way more than we ever could.

-Chuck

 

[Clarence_A]

"Mark Fergerson" wrote

Clarence_A wrote:
"Mark Fergerson" wrote
snip

Same storm that tore part of the roof off the Green
Gables restaurant at 3d avenue and Camelback

Hey, is that the SAME Green Gables Restaurant that used to be
on
24th street and Thomas Road? They were one of the best in
the
area!

Yeah, that was quite a storm to move the store four and
some change miles...

OK, maybe my memory's got a hole re: the name. But it was
_a_ restaurant at 3d and Camelback that lost part of its roof.

snip

http://www.trammellcrow.com/newsdetail.asp?PressID=1828

At 24th and Thomas Road!

And I would imagine the quality of the food is not really the
issue anymore. Damn!

 

[keith]

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:09:33 +0000, John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Mark Jones <abuse@127.0.0.1> wrote
(in <yeCdnWZ659r3TUPcRVn-tw@buckeye-express.com&gt about 'OT: Wild
Weather', on Fri, 7 Jan 2005:
What doesn't make sense is the last few thousand years of the graph. It
clearly should have started going into a colder period, but instead the
global temperature has stayed almost constant. So what we perceive as
being "no change" in global warming might actually be a "big deal."

Disclaimer: I'm no climatologist.

Who is? But the Milankovic cycle is quite irregular (at least three
uncorrelated periods - almost as bad as audio!), and it *seems to me*
not to be very well quantified (odd for a near-Earth astronomical
effect), so it *seems to me* to be difficult to be sure exactly what we
should 'expect'. For example, are we in an interglacial or has the
latest glaciation cycle ended, so that we should expect several million
years with no ice ages?

Rather like the stock market. If you look at its history there are
obvious cycles. ...just try to catch them right each time. I think this
is another manifestation of our image recognition wiring. "Past
performance is no guaranty of future results."

--
Keith

 

[Clarence_A]

"Nico Coesel" <nico@puntnl.niks> wrote in message
news:41dee5c8.1580411121@news.planet.nl...

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

See...

http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/Funnel.gif

I recently visited Auckland (New Zealand). Its now supposed to
be
summer over there. I've had rain, hail, clouds and sunshine in
one
day. According to a taxi driver its not uncommon to have all
four
seasons in one day.

Sounds like Kansas! I spent a couple of years there, in the army,
and the weather was "All over the map" in terms of abrupt
variation. Except for about two months in the summer. Rain and
storms, but always reasonably warm. The rest of the year,
anything goes!

 

[Rich Grise]

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:17:53 -0800, Winfield Hill wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote...

I'm not sure where the jetstream is running right now,
Check here-
http://www.intellicast.com/Local/USNationalStd.asp?loc=usa&seg=LocalWeather&prodgrp=SurfaceMaps&product=JetStream&prodnav=none

Right. We've been getting very weird jet-stream patterns the last
few years. Jim, I wonder, are you another one of the crowd that
doesn't believe in global warming?

The way I see it, there are global climactic changes, but I think the
impact of human activity is negligible when you consider things like the
solar constant, planetary albedo, volcanoes, and so on.

I read in an editorial once: "Want to cool the planet? Easy. Paint Texas
white."

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Richard the Dreaded Liber]

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 02:15:13 -0800, bill.sloman wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On 6 Jan 2005 12:17:53 -0800, Winfield Hill
hill_a@t_rowland-dotties-harvard-dot.s-edu> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote...

I'm not sure where the jetstream is running right now,
Check here-

http://www.intellicast.com/Local/USNationalStd.asp?loc=usa&seg=LocalWeather&prodgrp=SurfaceMaps&product=JetStream&prodnav=none

Right. We've been getting very weird jet-stream patterns the last
few years. Jim, I wonder, are you another one of the crowd that
doesn't believe in global warming?

Of course. It's just left-wing propaganda ;-) Seriously, there is
great debate in both directions. Neither side has made a
scientifically-significant argument. Personally, reviewing Arizona
weather records that go back a hundred years it appears that we are
slightly COOLER.

Jim would seem to be a few years behind the game. The present state of
the debate is that it is generally accepted that global warming is
real.

There may be a trend, which may or may not be accounted for by the fact
that the thermometers are in the centers of cities, but anyone who claims
that humans should change their ways, because throwing a couple of steaks
on the barbie is going to submerge New York and Los Angeles, is a fool.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Chuck Harris]

Jim Thompson wrote:
strial revolution. The active volcanos are making

way more than we ever could.

-Chuck


Don't forget cow flatulence ;-)

...Jim Thompson

If you had ever stood behind a cow when it happened, you
never would ;-)

-Chuck

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Richard the Dreaded Liberal
<eatmyshorts@doubleclick.net> wrote (in <pan.2005.01.07.21.22.16.442969@
doubleclick.net&gt about 'OT: Wild Weather', on Fri, 7 Jan 2005:

There may be a trend, which may or may not be accounted for by the fact
that the thermometers are in the centers of cities, but anyone who
claims that humans should change their ways, because throwing a couple
of steaks on the barbie is going to submerge New York and Los Angeles,
is a fool.

Of course, but the *UK* carbon emission allocation under the EU carbon
trading scheme is 756 million tonnes per year. Put like that, its
significance can be seen in a somewhat different light. This doesn't
include the exhalations from both ends of ruminants.

The ratio of 756 megatonnes to the total mass of CO2 in the atmosphere
is left as an exercise for the student.

This 'carbon trading scheme' is partly modelled on the US 'sulfur
dioxide trading scheme', which has been reported as a success in
reducing acid rain considerably.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net>
wrote (in <pan.2005.01.07.21.19.19.374711@example.net&gt about 'OT: Wild
Weather', on Fri, 7 Jan 2005:

The way I see it, there are global climactic changes,

We just had a climactic change to the coasts of the Indian Ocean.
Climatic changes tend to be slower.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:44:39 +0000, John Woodgate
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote (in
1105092913.800173.221300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com&gt about 'OT:
Wild
Weather', on Fri, 7 Jan 2005:
[snip]

The state of the weather in
Arizona over the last hundred years isn't all that relevant.

It's relevant, perhaps, but not a reliable indicator of any global
trend.

It's all that matters to me.

MIT* doesn't agree with the global warming theories... that's good
enough for me.

* Except for one leftist nut case ;-)

MIT staff only get paid half their salary by MIT - they have to raise
the other half from their grants. They would have to be crazy to
disagree with the opinion of the major grant-giver ....
-------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 16:25:03 -0700, the renowned Mark Fergerson
<nunya@biz.ness> wrote:

John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness
wrote (in <WOADd.52045$Cl3.34912@fed1read03&gt about 'OT: Wild Weather',
on Fri, 7 Jan 2005:

A cabbie once told me of some passengers he had from India who wanted
to try "American Food". He pointed at a strip of restaurants; Italian,
Japanese, Mexican, and so on, and said "That's American food". Smart
Cabbie.

That's like British food: pizza, chicken rogan josh and prawn green
curry. With nasi goreng, of course.

I thought British food was anything at all, boiled for
three or four hours. ;&gt

Mark L. Fergerson

I've never had a bad Indian, Lebanese or Iranian meal in the UK.
London's Chinatown has familiar and good fare as well, though the
prices for everything look like they should be in dollars rather than
pounds.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[Mark Jones]

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John Woodgate wrote:

| I read in sci.electronics.design that Richard the Dreaded Liberal
| <eatmyshorts@doubleclick.net> wrote (in <pan.2005.01.07.21.22.16.442969@
| doubleclick.net&gt about 'OT: Wild Weather', on Fri, 7 Jan 2005:
|
|
|>There may be a trend, which may or may not be accounted for by the fact
|>that the thermometers are in the centers of cities, but anyone who
|>claims that humans should change their ways, because throwing a couple
|>of steaks on the barbie is going to submerge New York and Los Angeles,
|>is a fool.
|
|
| Of course, but the *UK* carbon emission allocation under the EU carbon
| trading scheme is 756 million tonnes per year. Put like that, its
| significance can be seen in a somewhat different light. This doesn't
| include the exhalations from both ends of ruminants.
|
| The ratio of 756 megatonnes to the total mass of CO2 in the atmosphere
| is left as an exercise for the student.
|
| This 'carbon trading scheme' is partly modelled on the US 'sulfur
| dioxide trading scheme', which has been reported as a success in
| reducing acid rain considerably.



~ Side thought: imagine a planet with polar temperatures of -79.0°C and
megatons of solid CO2 precipitated there. If enough greenhouse gasses
were released to cause a global temperaure shift of +1 degree... would
it lead to thermal runaway?

~ Venus is an interesting place. They say it's Earth's sister planet,
albeit with "real" acid rain and much more CO2 in the atmosphere. It
boasts a 900°F surface temperature - yeeeow.

~ The Earth does an amazing job of protecting us.


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[John Fields]

On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 00:04:42 GMT, Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net>
wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 21:42:57 +0000, John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net
wrote (in <pan.2005.01.07.21.19.19.374711@example.net&gt about 'OT: Wild
Weather', on Fri, 7 Jan 2005:
The way I see it, there are global climactic changes,

We just had a climactic change to the coasts of the Indian Ocean.
Climatic changes tend to be slower.

D'oh! Got me!

---
Perhaps an antibiotic will alleviate that problem.

--
John Fields

 

[Ken Taylor]

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:rRHPCuKXGx3BFwSy@jmwa.demon.co.uk...

I read in sci.electronics.design that Ken Taylor <ken@home.nz> wrote (in
yBDDd.5774$mo2.396352@news.xtra.co.nz&gt about 'OT: Wild Weather', on
Sat, 8 Jan 2005:
"Nico Coesel" <nico@puntnl.niks> wrote in message
news:41dee5c8.1580411121@news.planet.nl...
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

See...

http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/Funnel.gif

I recently visited Auckland (New Zealand). Its now supposed to be
summer over there. I've had rain, hail, clouds and sunshine in one
day. According to a taxi driver its not uncommon to have all four
seasons in one day.

--
Geez, I'd settle for four seasons in a day! We're getting four seasons
per
hour at present! It really sucks the big wiener down here at present.
:-(

Ken
(Auckland, NZ)


Same at this end. Luckily not here in the south, where it has recently
been unseasonably warm, but torrential rain and Force 10 winds (90 mph)
in middle and northern England, Wales and Scotland. Tomorrow, snow in
Scotland with the wind remaining extremely strong. Blizzards and severe
drifting.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.

I'm damn sure it's been hotter at night for the last week or so, though I
guess that's the humidity. 'Summer' is the hour or two per day (if you're
lucky) that the sun peeks out, says "Hello!" then promptly pees on you.

Ken

 

[CWatters]

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:vqitt09gb78a24sbn4tv9vqeqtqnv6hbql@4ax.com...

MIT* doesn't agree with the global warming theories... that's good
enough for me.

If MIT are so convinced why they are recommending building more nuclear
power stations as a solution to the problem?

http://www.physicstoday.org/vol-56/iss-12/p34.html

"MIT interdisciplinary research group is recommending limited federal
support of new nuclear power plants as a way to reenergize the industry and
lessen the potential impact of global warming."

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 10:24:04 GMT, "CWatters"
<colin.watters@pandoraBOX.be> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:vqitt09gb78a24sbn4tv9vqeqtqnv6hbql@4ax.com...
MIT* doesn't agree with the global warming theories... that's good
enough for me.

If MIT are so convinced why they are recommending building more nuclear
power stations as a solution to the problem?

http://www.physicstoday.org/vol-56/iss-12/p34.html

"MIT interdisciplinary research group is recommending limited federal
support of new nuclear power plants as a way to reenergize the industry and
lessen the potential impact of global warming."

Can you think of a better way to take advantage of the greenies?
Recommend nuclear, NOT because of the energy crisis, but GLOBAL
WARMING. How can any greenie be against it then ?

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Nico Coesel]

"Ken Taylor" <ken@home.nz> wrote:

"Nico Coesel" <nico@puntnl.niks> wrote in message
news:41dee5c8.1580411121@news.planet.nl...
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

See...

http://www.analog-innovations.com/Musings/Funnel.gif

I recently visited Auckland (New Zealand). Its now supposed to be
summer over there. I've had rain, hail, clouds and sunshine in one
day. According to a taxi driver its not uncommon to have all four
seasons in one day.

--
Geez, I'd settle for four seasons in a day! We're getting four seasons per
hour at present! It really sucks the big wiener down here at present. :-(

I'm glad I'm back at home. I expected New Zealand to be something like
Spain. Sunny, 30 degrees Celcius or so in the summer (get a bit of a
teint). But now I know why Abel Tasman called it New Zealand and
didn't set foot on the land.

--
Reply to nico@nctdevpuntnl (punt=.)
Bedrijven en winkels vindt U op www.adresboekje.nl

 

Richard the Dreaded Liberal wrote:

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 02:08:14 -0800, bill.sloman wrote:

Global warming means more water gets evaporated from the oceans,
which
in turns leads to wilder weather.

There are more specific effects, and one possible result of global
warming would be for the Gulf Stream to turn off, which might leave
most of northern Europe covered with glaciers (as it was in the
last
Ice Age).

Since the U.S.is the biggest single generator of greenhouse
gases,...

Except for volcanoes, forests, and cows.

Forests, volcanoes and cows have all been around for a while, and don't
seem to be likely to be the source of the current, relatively rapid,
increase in the average temperature of the surface of the planet.

Cows - or rather the bacteria in the their digestive systems - do
generate a lot of methane, which is about twenty times as effective as
CO2 as a greenhouse gas, but there are quite a few other sources.

http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarming.nsf/content/climate.html
-------------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen