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Joerg · Jan 24, 2007

jasen wrote:

On 2007-01-21, Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

Only if you find a PS/2 plug. Now I can easily find tractor glow plugs
here in town, and horse feed, and hydraulic fluid, and... IOW this ain't
the big city.

no dead keyboards or mice lying around?

Nah, only tubes

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Jim Thompson · Jan 24, 2007

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:47:34 GMT, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

jasen wrote:

On 2007-01-21, Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

Only if you find a PS/2 plug. Now I can easily find tractor glow plugs
here in town, and horse feed, and hydraulic fluid, and... IOW this ain't
the big city.

no dead keyboards or mice lying around?

Nah, only tubes

No field mice ?

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LVMarc · Jan 24, 2007

Tom Lucas wrote:

"jasen" <jasen@free.net.nz> wrote in message
news:ep4q5h$se9$1@jasen.is-a-geek.org...

On 2007-01-22, Tom Lucas
news@REMOVE_auto_THIS_flame_TO_REPLY.clara.co.uk> wrote:

"Tim Wescott" <tim@seemywebsite.com> wrote in message
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Joerg wrote:

Stuart Brorson wrote:

In sci.electronics.cad Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net
wrote:
: How do you get an old serial port mouse working on a "modern"
laptop?

Start by installing Linux on the laptop.....

Then my mouse would work. However, a slight inconvenience would be
that the CAD program the mouse is supposed to be used with would
quit
working ...

Wine?

In a bit of a thread hijack, how good is Wine with odd legacy
hardware?

It doesn't do harware at all, all it does is convert (some) windows
software
into linux software.

linux is fairly good with legacy hardware.

I've got an ancient Noral 80188 emulator that needs a proprietory ISA
card in the PC and will only run under DOS. Would Wine let me use it
on
a new PC or do you reckon that it would a be a bit too proprietory
for
that?

Dosemu on the the other hand can be told to enable ranges of IO ports
for
real hardware access.

Configuring dosemu can be tricky.

Everything to do with the ICE is tricky so any dosemu pain will just be
a part of a more comprehensive painmaking operation. However, it does
sound as if it may be a route with a chance of success.

A new PC with an ISA slot could be expensive.

I've seen a few motherboards and they are not crazily priced and I don't
mind spending a bit of cash for the right thing anyway. Someone
mentioned a PCI to ISA converter which may allow me to use my existing
hardware but it does add another layer of abstraction onto the layers
already introduced by linux and dosemu.

I like the sig " sometimes I cook with wine... other I even add it to

the food" annon classic

mhp

Joerg · Jan 24, 2007

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:47:34 GMT, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

jasen wrote:

On 2007-01-21, Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

Only if you find a PS/2 plug. Now I can easily find tractor glow plugs
here in town, and horse feed, and hydraulic fluid, and... IOW this ain't
the big city.

no dead keyboards or mice lying around?

Nah, only tubes

No field mice ?

We've got a family of foxes living around us and they take care of these

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Jim Thompson · Jan 24, 2007

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:32:31 GMT, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:47:34 GMT, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

jasen wrote:

On 2007-01-21, Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

Only if you find a PS/2 plug. Now I can easily find tractor glow plugs
here in town, and horse feed, and hydraulic fluid, and... IOW this ain't
the big city.

no dead keyboards or mice lying around?

Nah, only tubes

No field mice ?

We've got a family of foxes living around us and they take care of these

We have coyotes year-round. The cold weather has driven the big hawks
south from the high mountains so they are circling my hill-side right
now. Haven't seen the pair of great-horned owls yet this _Spring_ ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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Joerg · Jan 24, 2007

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:32:31 GMT, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:47:34 GMT, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

jasen wrote:

On 2007-01-21, Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

Only if you find a PS/2 plug. Now I can easily find tractor glow plugs
here in town, and horse feed, and hydraulic fluid, and... IOW this ain't
the big city.

no dead keyboards or mice lying around?

Nah, only tubes

No field mice ?

We've got a family of foxes living around us and they take care of these

We have coyotes year-round. The cold weather has driven the big hawks
south from the high mountains so they are circling my hill-side right
now. Haven't seen the pair of great-horned owls yet this _Spring_ ;-)

We've got turkey vultures here. AFAIK they call them hawks in other
parts of the country. The large rock in front of our entrance has been
converted into a time-share. In the morning a cat curls up on it and
takes a long nap. Around lunch time a pair of vultures sits there
spreading their wings after a bath. In the evening papa fox or mama fox
dozes off on it for a few hours. None of them takes off when we go in
and out. They do if it's other people.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Michael A. Terrell · Jan 24, 2007

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:06:02 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

Mine is "Trespassers Will Be Violated" ;-)

What happened to your "Trespassers Will Be Prostituted" sign?

I don't remember that one. Maybe it was John Fields ?

How long does it take you to make a sign with your computer and
printer? ;-)

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Jim Thompson · Jan 24, 2007

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:43:23 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:06:02 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

Mine is "Trespassers Will Be Violated" ;-)

What happened to your "Trespassers Will Be Prostituted" sign?

I don't remember that one. Maybe it was John Fields ?

How long does it take you to make a sign with your computer and
printer? ;-)

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Rich Grise, Plainclothes · Jan 25, 2007

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:20:19 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:49:35 GMT, Joerg

Then I put up the old redneck sign: "Our Rottweiler can make it across
7dB in four seconds. Can you?"

Mine is "Trespassers Will Be Violated" ;-)

I have a 17" x 11" sign in my office that says, "An empty desk is a sign
of a disturbed mind."

Cheers!
Rich

Jim Thompson · Jan 25, 2007

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:14:58 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 01:44:17 GMT, the renowned "Rich Grise,
Plainclothes Hippie" <eatmyshorts@doubleclick.net> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:20:19 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:49:35 GMT, Joerg

Then I put up the old redneck sign: "Our Rottweiler can make it across
7dB in four seconds. Can you?"

Mine is "Trespassers Will Be Violated" ;-)

I have a 17" x 11" sign in my office that says, "An empty desk is a sign
of a disturbed mind."

I probably have one of those somewhere.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

"N's" is, "A neat kitchen is a sign of a deranged mind" ;-)

Also... "I'm allergic to mornings"

Mine is... "Work is best viewed from a distance" ;-)

Over my office door is a carved wooden plaque... "Some days you eat
the bear, some days the bear eats you".

And, of course there's, " Insanity is hereditary... you catch it from
your kids" ;-)

And seen around here on the bumpers of RV/motor-homes... "I'm spending
my children's inheritance".

...Jim Thompson
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Spehro Pefhany · Jan 25, 2007

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 01:44:17 GMT, the renowned "Rich Grise,
Plainclothes Hippie" <eatmyshorts@doubleclick.net> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:20:19 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:49:35 GMT, Joerg

Then I put up the old redneck sign: "Our Rottweiler can make it across
7dB in four seconds. Can you?"

Mine is "Trespassers Will Be Violated" ;-)

I have a 17" x 11" sign in my office that says, "An empty desk is a sign
of a disturbed mind."

I probably have one of those somewhere.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

krw · Jan 25, 2007

In article <am3gr2dqfp5tu3vacr1hma5fk8nk3hne7l@4ax.com>, To-Email-
Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com says...

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:14:58 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 01:44:17 GMT, the renowned "Rich Grise,
Plainclothes Hippie" <eatmyshorts@doubleclick.net> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:20:19 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:49:35 GMT, Joerg

Then I put up the old redneck sign: "Our Rottweiler can make it across
7dB in four seconds. Can you?"

Mine is "Trespassers Will Be Violated" ;-)

I have a 17" x 11" sign in my office that says, "An empty desk is a sign
of a disturbed mind."

I probably have one of those somewhere.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

"N's" is, "A neat kitchen is a sign of a deranged mind" ;-)

Wife's is, "I've been in a bad mood since the house fell on my
sister."

Also... "I'm allergic to mornings"

Mine is... "Work is best viewed from a distance" ;-)

"I love work. I can sit and watch it all day."

Over my office door is a carved wooden plaque... "Some days you eat
the bear, some days the bear eats you".

Recently seen; "Some day's you're the dog - some days you're the
hydrant.=3F

And, of course there's, " Insanity is hereditary... you catch it from
your kids" ;-)

:=3FHaving Children is hereditary... Chances are if your parents
didn=3Ft have any...=3F

And seen around here on the bumpers of RV/motor-homes... "I'm spending
my children's inheritance".

My favorite with a local flavor: =3FMoonlight in Vermont...
Or STARVE.=3F

--
Keith

Charlie Edmondson · Jan 25, 2007

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:14:58 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 01:44:17 GMT, the renowned "Rich Grise,
Plainclothes Hippie" <eatmyshorts@doubleclick.net> wrote:

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:20:19 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:49:35 GMT, Joerg

Then I put up the old redneck sign: "Our Rottweiler can make it across
7dB in four seconds. Can you?"

Mine is "Trespassers Will Be Violated" ;-)

I have a 17" x 11" sign in my office that says, "An empty desk is a sign
of a disturbed mind."

I probably have one of those somewhere.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

"N's" is, "A neat kitchen is a sign of a deranged mind" ;-)

Also... "I'm allergic to mornings"

Mine is... "Work is best viewed from a distance" ;-)

Over my office door is a carved wooden plaque... "Some days you eat
the bear, some days the bear eats you".

And, of course there's, " Insanity is hereditary... you catch it from
your kids" ;-)

And seen around here on the bumpers of RV/motor-homes... "I'm spending
my children's inheritance".

...Jim Thompson
But, the "I'm allergic to mornings" needs to have the original Snoopy

looking like the morning after New Years to be really effective!

(I had that up on my wall my first year of college. at NMMI... )

Charlie

Michael A. Terrell · Jan 26, 2007

martin griffith wrote:

And always carry a pair of latex gloves, in case you have to use an
internet cafe

AKA "Computer Condoms"?

--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Michael · Jan 27, 2007

Joerg wrote:
(snip)

Only USB it sez. Why is it that electronics get dropped like a hot
potato in less than a decade while I can still go to Kragen's and buy a
spare part for a Studebaker?

--
Regards, Joerg

Amen to that, Joerg. Stuff is either made so cheap that it breaks long before
it should or the new models of the things it's used with render it obsolete.
Either way, ya gotta buy new. It sux.

Try to find a new SCSI scanner or an x-GHz AT motherboard. Was checking out DVD
burners on the Plextor site the other day and did a double-take when I noticed
that all on that page, except one, is USB. Only the one odd one is ATAPI.

You think you have a problem? My OS doesn't support USB.

--
Michael
trapped in the 90's with OS/2 Warp 3

Joerg · Jan 27, 2007

Michael wrote:

Joerg wrote:
(snip)

Only USB it sez. Why is it that electronics get dropped like a hot
potato in less than a decade while I can still go to Kragen's and buy a
spare part for a Studebaker?

--
Regards, Joerg

Amen to that, Joerg. Stuff is either made so cheap that it breaks long before
it should or the new models of the things it's used with render it obsolete.
Either way, ya gotta buy new. It sux.

Try to find a new SCSI scanner or an x-GHz AT motherboard. Was checking out DVD
burners on the Plextor site the other day and did a double-take when I noticed
that all on that page, except one, is USB. Only the one odd one is ATAPI.

You think you have a problem? My OS doesn't support USB.

There is one solution to that and the industry shoots itself in the foot
at times because of it: You can forego upgrades for a long, long time.
Sure, I just bought a new PC for the lab because I needed one there. But
I can and on occasion do schematic entry on this here newsgroup machine
from the mid-90's. When working on schematic capture or filter design I
do not notice any significant difference in productivity versus the new
XP machine. Oh, and it has a real CRT where I can see stuff without
glasses even when the sun hits the screen.

Did I mention that we do not own a DVD player at home and that one can
live just fine without it? Or that the old 25" analog TV still works
like a champ? That my car does not "feature" electric this, that and the
other thing but passes smog with flying colors every time? That this
consulting office is usually heated by a wood stove? That I split the
firewood with a hydraulic cylinder driven by an engine built in 1942?
That the 1950's tube radio here in the office sounds better than them
newfangled MP3 players yet never needed new electrolytics?

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Joel Kolstad · Jan 27, 2007

"Michael" <nospam@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:45BB9AA2.557A6C44@worldnet.att.net...

Try to find a new SCSI scanner or an x-GHz AT motherboard. Was checking
out DVD
burners on the Plextor site the other day and did a double-take when I
noticed
that all on that page, except one, is USB. Only the one odd one is ATAPI.

Some are going to be SATA as well... in fact, I believe that Plextor was one
of the first companies to release SATA DVD/CD burners.

You think you have a problem? My OS doesn't support USB.

Keep the OS/2 machine around for whatever you need it for, spend $250 on a
bare-bones PC and install Linux?

Joel Kolstad · Jan 27, 2007

"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
news:VaOuh.38130$Gr2.22828@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...

Did I mention that we do not own a DVD player at home and that one can
live just fine without it?

I'll ship you one for free if you'd like, Joerg!

Just e-mail me your
address...

There's nothing wrong with keeping to the technology you already have and
enjoy, although I would suggest that sometimes you may not appreciate newer
technology until you've actually sat down and used it for awhile. There is
a perceptible, positive difference between, e.g., a 1080p big-screen TV and
your 25" analog clunker, while I'd buy that heating your office with wood is
perhaps actually a little nicer than heating with electricity or gas.

That the 1950's tube radio here in the office sounds better than them
newfangled MP3 players yet never needed new electrolytics?

I'm told that what most people consider the "better" sound of tubes is what
we engineers generally refer to as "distortion."

---Joel

jasen · Jan 28, 2007

On 2007-01-22, Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Some of my filter design software doesn't come any other way than DOS.
Never had any problems running it all w/o a clean DOS boot. The only
catches are the occasional "speed overruns", IOW the program relied on
some DOS timers or whatever to flag a status but now it blazes by so
fast that I can't see what the flags read. And the calc speed of those
old programs on new PCs is phenomenal compared to the early 90's.

the timer (0x40:0x1c) is typically well emulated, code that uses timing
loops, however, will fail miserably as processors are now 1000 times
faster than they were in the 80s

what software is giving you grief?

Bye.
Jasen

jasen · Jan 28, 2007

On 2007-01-24, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

In a bit of a thread hijack, how good is Wine with odd legacy hardware?

It doesn't do harware at all, all it does is convert (some) windows software
into linux software.

This is not completely correct, read the wine myth FAQ.
http://www.winehq.org/site/myths

Interesting, but I didn't notice that point being addressed.

Bye.
Jasen

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