EAGLE Netlist conversion

Ian Bell · Jan 3, 2007

Charles Schuler wrote:

Oh, and if you are really looking for fun stuff at no cost, check out:
http://www.linear.com/designtools/softwareRegistration.jsp

And of course http://www.lis.inpg.fr/realise_au_lis/kicad/index.html

Ian

Jan 3, 2007

Thanks to Charles and Ian for the replies and the links. I'll check
them out later today. Got to see the doctor this morning.

Manu, I use Orcad SDT v3.11 for schematics and Tango PCB Plus v2.22 for
the layouts. You can find a lot of details on my website.... I know my
tools are older, but they work so well that I just don't see any need
to change them.

All the best,

Jean

www.dakotacom.net/~lestrale

qrk · Jan 3, 2007

On 3 Jan 2007 08:37:05 -0800, lestrale@dakotacom.net wrote:

Thanks to Charles and Ian for the replies and the links. I'll check
them out later today. Got to see the doctor this morning.

Manu, I use Orcad SDT v3.11 for schematics and Tango PCB Plus v2.22 for
the layouts. You can find a lot of details on my website.... I know my
tools are older, but they work so well that I just don't see any need
to change them.

All the best,

Jean

www.dakotacom.net/~lestrale

There's a user group for the old DOS Orcad programs. For the more
modern versions of SDT, someone has made new VESA drivers that work
well for high resolution monitors.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/OldDosOrcad/
Recently, the founder of Orcad has joined our group.

---
Mark

Joerg · Jan 4, 2007

lestrale@dakotacom.net wrote:

I'd like to say hello to everyone here... I hope that you all had happy
holidays.

Unfortunately, I had surgery a few weeks ago, and am presently only
able to lay on my back or sit in a reclining chair. I happened to find
this group and thought it would be a good way for me to pass some time,
share some of my experience, and learn a few things from the others who
may be here.

Our Christmas was great but I am sorry to hear that your's wasn't this
time. Hopefully you'll have a good recovery and that the surgery really
heals whatever it was intended to fix.

When a back problem flattened me two Christmases ago I used that forced
bed time to brush up on stuff I hadn't used in a while. In my case that
was re-learning a few portions of C and some assembler tricks. This time
it would probably be Cypress' PSoC Express.

Please don't be shy about contacting me to say hello. I'll be laid-up
for at least a month, and will be glad to hear from you !

Oh, we are definitely not shy around here

All the best,

Same to you, especially for your recovery.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Jan 4, 2007

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Nov 11, 2006

Jim Thompson wrote:

Anyone have a good Spice model for an MPSA64 (PNP Darlington)?

Thanks!

...Jim Thompson
--
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Just for everyone's future reference: I find a lot of Spice models by
using this site's huge index of on-line Spice models:

http://www.duncanamps.com/spice/

Cheers,

Tom Gootee

http://www.fullnet.com/u/tomg

Jonathan Kirwan · Nov 11, 2006

On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 17:23:34 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

Anyone have a good Spice model for an MPSA64 (PNP Darlington)?

Thanks!

...Jim Thompson

I hadn't noticed this before. Here is what I have handy.

***********************************************************
* MPSA64 Darlington Transistor "macromodel" subcircuit
* created using Parts release 8.1 on 01/07/98 at 15:06
*
* Parts is an OrCAD product.
*
* connections: Collector
* | Base
* | | Emitter
* | | |
..SUBCKT MPSA64 1 2 3
*
Q1 1 2 4 Q1model
Q2 1 4 3 Q2model 0.807561
*D1 1 3 Dmodel
R1 2 4 2G
R2 4 3 2G
..MODEL Dmodel D
+ IS=10.00E-15 RS=1.000E-3 N=1 XTI=3
+ CJO=10.00E-21 VJ=1 M=.5 FC=.5
..MODEL Q1model PNP
+ IS=1.152217e-014 BF=295.916 NF=1 VAF=100
+ IKF=4.152566e-001 ISE=1.018001e-013 NE=1.54779 BR=1.91325
+ NR=1 VAR=100 IKR=0.358632 ISC=1.81264p
+ NC=1.26296 RB=5.62906 NK=0.8621
+ RE=0 RC=1.78532 EG=1.110
+ CJE=2.000E-12 VJE=.75 MJE=.33 TF=1n
+ XTF=10 VTF=10 ITF=1 CJC=2.000E-12
+ VJC=.75 MJC=.33 XCJC=.9 FC=.5
+ TR=1n
..MODEL Q2model PNP
+ IS=1.152217e-014 BF=295.916 NF=1 VAF=100
+ IKF=4.152566e-001 ISE=1.018001e-013 NE=1.54779 BR=1.91325
+ NR=1 VAR=100 IKR=0.358632 ISC=1.81264p
+ NC=1.26296 RB=5.62906 NK=0.8621
+ RE=0 RC=1.78532 EG=1.110
+ CJE=2.000E-12 VJE=.75 MJE=.33 TF=1n
+ XTF=10 VTF=10 ITF=1 CJC=0
+ VJC=.75 MJC=.33 XCJC=.9 FC=.5
+ TR=1n
..ENDS

Jim Thompson · Nov 11, 2006

On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 09:51:02 GMT, Jonathan Kirwan
<jkirwan@easystreet.com> wrote:

On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 17:23:34 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

Anyone have a good Spice model for an MPSA64 (PNP Darlington)?

Thanks!

...Jim Thompson

I hadn't noticed this before. Here is what I have handy.

DoodleBug65 posted one (from Circuitmaker) that had the relative area
of Q2 as _0.1_, which makes more physical sense.

"created using Parts release 8.1 on 01/07/98" means it was created
using PSpice Parts, which is pure crap.

But thanks for the input!!

***********************************************************
* MPSA64 Darlington Transistor "macromodel" subcircuit
* created using Parts release 8.1 on 01/07/98 at 15:06
*
* Parts is an OrCAD product.
*
* connections: Collector
* | Base
* | | Emitter
* | | |
.SUBCKT MPSA64 1 2 3
*
Q1 1 2 4 Q1model
Q2 1 4 3 Q2model 0.807561
*D1 1 3 Dmodel
R1 2 4 2G
R2 4 3 2G
.MODEL Dmodel D
+ IS=10.00E-15 RS=1.000E-3 N=1 XTI=3
+ CJO=10.00E-21 VJ=1 M=.5 FC=.5
.MODEL Q1model PNP
+ IS=1.152217e-014 BF=295.916 NF=1 VAF=100
+ IKF=4.152566e-001 ISE=1.018001e-013 NE=1.54779 BR=1.91325
+ NR=1 VAR=100 IKR=0.358632 ISC=1.81264p
+ NC=1.26296 RB=5.62906 NK=0.8621
+ RE=0 RC=1.78532 EG=1.110
+ CJE=2.000E-12 VJE=.75 MJE=.33 TF=1n
+ XTF=10 VTF=10 ITF=1 CJC=2.000E-12
+ VJC=.75 MJC=.33 XCJC=.9 FC=.5
+ TR=1n
.MODEL Q2model PNP
+ IS=1.152217e-014 BF=295.916 NF=1 VAF=100
+ IKF=4.152566e-001 ISE=1.018001e-013 NE=1.54779 BR=1.91325
+ NR=1 VAR=100 IKR=0.358632 ISC=1.81264p
+ NC=1.26296 RB=5.62906 NK=0.8621
+ RE=0 RC=1.78532 EG=1.110
+ CJE=2.000E-12 VJE=.75 MJE=.33 TF=1n
+ XTF=10 VTF=10 ITF=1 CJC=0
+ VJC=.75 MJC=.33 XCJC=.9 FC=.5
+ TR=1n
.ENDS

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Jim Thompson · Nov 11, 2006

On 11 Nov 2006 01:35:08 -0800, tomg@fullnet.com wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
Anyone have a good Spice model for an MPSA64 (PNP Darlington)?

Thanks!

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Just for everyone's future reference: I find a lot of Spice models by
using this site's huge index of on-line Spice models:

http://www.duncanamps.com/spice/

Cheers,

Tom Gootee

http://www.fullnet.com/u/tomg

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Nico Coesel · Nov 30, 2006

bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 29 Nov 2006 09:06:00 -0800) it happened "Joel Kolstad"
JKolstad71HatesSpam@yahoo.com> wrote in <12mrffooijfov33@corp.supernews.com>:

"Jan Panteltje" <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ekk0fe$5oa$1@news.datemas.de...
What is wrong with Eagle for small boards and 2 layers?
http://www.cadsoft.de/

I believe the common objections are that it isn't free (as in beer) for
commercial usage and that some people really, REALLY want a piece of software
with the source code provided so that they can modify/patch it if they feel
like it.

OK, no beer.
As to patching, hey I am an active Linux contributor, and added important
functionality to several open source packages ( dvdauthor, tcmplex-panteltje
for example), also wrote some totally new ones: xste, multimux... many of that stuff,
and I _tried_ to get mplayer fixed and I _tried_ to get DVB driver fixed..... well,
I ain't gona patch for them if they want to do their own trip.
I have looked (downloaded geda whatever that package years(!) ago, and it
needed so many other packages, and with all that it still did not work,
so better use something that works.

I've been reinstalling gEDA for years too. The process got a lot easier
a few years ago, when they put together a CD-sized collection of source
files and make files that automatically compiles the whole package on
your computer. Worked fine for me under SuSE 10.0, and they monitor
it's perfromance on a bunch of other popular distributions.

Once installed, the package can be used to do serious work - check out
the mailing list.

Schematic capture is quite allright (you'll still need too many clicks
to set parameters), but the PCB package has -IMHO- a severe flaw in
it: it doesn't link the traces and polygons to the nets. This may seem
unimportant but once you've made a short circuit PCB can't figure out
which net belongs to a trace. The result is a big mess which is
difficult to sort out.

I've raised this issue before, maybe DJ fixed this in the meanwhile?

Another thing with PCB is the footprint editing. It made me write some
C functions that can be used to put a footprint together. Positive
side effect is that the footprints are absolutely accurate so I can't
really call this a downside.

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Rich the Philosophizer · Dec 6, 2006

On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 04:30:53 +0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Robert Baer wrote:

You need the exercise; good for the heart and the body.
I walk 3 miles in about 30 minutes on a good day, and about 45
minutes if lazy.

Good for you. I can no longer walk more than 1/4 mile, and I sure as
hell can't carry 50 pounds or more for three miles. I am gasping for
air and ready to faint if I try to push it too far. Two years ago I
could walk to the entrance of my subdivision (1/2 mile), rest on a bench
at the Church on the corner for a half hour and walk back home. If you
live long enough you will have health problems, as well.

I am 54, and 100% disabled. Six years ago I was in decent health. I
was working full time in aerospace electronics, and spending hours a day
on my feet. Some days its all that I can do to walk to the bathroom,
and I have to do that barefoot, because I have a very poor sense of
balance.

Have you contemplated alternative approaches?

Here's an idea:
http://healingtowholeness.com/

It involves mind control, a lot like hypnosis, but it's working for
me.

Good Luck!
Rich

Joel Kolstad · Dec 6, 2006

"Rich the Philosophizer" <rtp@example.com> wrote in message
news

an.2006.12.06.02.00.16.946932@example.com...

Have you contemplated alternative approaches?

I have first dibs on hiring Michael if he does recover.

JeffM · Dec 6, 2006

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

I am 54, and 100% disabled.

Joel Kolstad wrote:
I have first dibs on hiring Michael if he does recover.

....but will he move from sub-tropical small town
to a big city in the rain forest?

The Real Andy · Dec 6, 2006

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 07:38:15 -0500, Mike Monett <No@email.adr> wrote:

Christian Treldal <chris@taarnkammeret.dk> wrote:

Den Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:28:01 +0100 skrev ivan:

hi,

what is a good free capture and layout software?

Ivan

http://www.geda.seul.org/

Just took a brief look - very interesting. I have a few questions I didn't
notice while glancing through:

1. Is there any way to back annotate pcb changes to the schematic?

2. Does the pcb have full DRC?

3. Can it generate a BOM?

Regards,

Mike Monett

Antiviral, Antibacterial Silver Solution:
http://silversol.freewebpage.org/index.htm
SPICE Analysis of Crystal Oscillators:
http://silversol.freewebpage.org/spice/xtal/clapp.htm
Noise-Rejecting Wideband Sampler:
http://www3.sympatico.ca/add.automation/sampler/intro.htm

I had a play with geda the other day. It is free, so I guess one cant
complain, but the interface is just plain horrible and unproductive.
Add to that its like using the old dos protel.

DJ Delorie · Dec 6, 2006

The Real Andy <will_get_back_to_you_on_This@b.c> writes:

but the interface is just plain horrible and unproductive.

Could you be more specific?

Joel Kolstad · Dec 6, 2006

"JeffM" <jeffm_@email.com> wrote in message
news:1165372611.264237.69560@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
I am 54, and 100% disabled.
Joel Kolstad wrote:
I have first dibs on hiring Michael if he does recover.
...but will he move from sub-tropical small town
to a big city in the rain forest?

Small city (Grants Pass/Rogue River in Southern Oregon) and not nearly as wet
as Portland (which is actually considered a downside by some... there's a big
sign downtown across one of the main streets here that says, "It's the
Climate!" -- the running joke is that it's actually an apology

).

I've lived in the Willamete Valley in Oregon for the past 12 years now, from
one end of the state to the other, and I've always been quite pleased with the
climate.

Ian Bell · Dec 6, 2006

The Real Andy wrote:

I had a play with geda the other day. It is free, so I guess one cant
complain, but the interface is just plain horrible and unproductive.
Add to that its like using the old dos protel.

Try kicad, it is also free but has a much better UI.

http://www.lis.inpg.fr/realise_au_lis/kicad/index.html

Ian

jasen · Jan 20, 2007

On 2007-01-18, Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Well, got to live with whatever the router allows plus there is another
HW firewall. But WEP would already require a lot of effort to hack and
we live in a pretty stretched out area. The house is quite "attenuating"
as it is and someone would have to be in the yard to mess with things.
Also, they would have to get it done in under 10 seconds or need a fresh
set of underwear because there is a Shepherd and a Rottweiler who both
disapprove of such activities.

A decent parabolic reflector antenna will get them 14 dB gain and they
can be 7dB further away.

Bye.
Jasen

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