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[Frank Bemelman]

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> schreef in
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:32:19 +0100, "Frank Bemelman"
f.bemelmanq@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:

"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> schreef in bericht
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Hello Lasse,


what the hell are you doing to make XP so ustable?, ...


Running IAR for programming the MSP430, mostly. IAR is made by the
descendants of the Vikings so I guess it has to be rock solid ;-)

Then some FFT routines and stuff like that. Adobe Acrobat crashes all
the time but it seems this isn't OS related as it always did. So I did
not count those crashes which can be a dozen a day and a soft restart
fixes those. I wish companies would publish their data sheets in HTML
and not PDF.

It's really unbelieveable what a piece of crap Adobe Acrobat is.
Bit of a shame that the replacements (readers) don't render every
document in the same way, so often you still need Adobe

It seems to me that Adobe has shot themselves in the foot... PDF is no
longer the universal file format... shame they didn't have the brains
enough to ensure compatibility amongst all versions. Seems a
no-brainer to add features without barfing... just announce that a
certain feature can't be used/viewed by version-X and continue on
rather than locking up :-(

I know it can be damn difficult to fix problems in a complicated
applications running on a windows platform, but they really need to
put a 100+ programmers (or whatever it takes) to make it bullet proof.
IOW, back to the drawing board. Forget the features for a while.
That said, it *is* a good file format, and they know it too. Bunch
of arrogant bastards, at Adobe.

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'q' and '.invalid' when replying by email)

 

[JeffM]

It's really unbelieveable what a piece of crap Adobe Acrobat is.
Bit of a shame that the replacements (readers)
don't render every document in the same way,
so often you still need Adobe
Frank Bemelman

What amazes me the most
is how all the manufacturers bowed their heads
and accepted a format of a quasi-monopoly.
Joerg

Except that it is an *open* format. Shortly after this proposal,

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:GUEZ-nwUuqcJ:www.nfbcal.org/nfb-rd/0598.html+FIPS+Making-the-Adobe-PDF-a-FIPS-*-*-*-*-*-*+portable-document-format+zzz+*-*-advised-that-NIST-*-develop-this-in-conjunction-with-the-FIPS+Platform-Independence+open-format+Federal-Information-Processing-Standard
the Feds adopted it as a document standard
in no small part because it IS open.

Frank called it right: the "competitive"/"compatible" *readers* suck
--but that's not a fault of the format.
..
..

All the while there was a perfectly fine
non-monopoly standard, HTML.

Except that HTML is a *content* description language

--not a layout description language.
In different environs, it looks different--and PRINTS differently;
not true of PDF.

I can't believe I'm defending Adobe.

 

[Joerg]

Hello Frank,

PDF's are okay, with all the stuff vectored etc. It's the reader that
sucks.

Well, the reader is just the problem. A file format is only as good as
the tool to handle it are.

When loaded in a browser, it is really slow. Often I download the file
first, then open it with the reader.

I know but that is not practical at all if you want to select an RF
transistor as I just had to do and you have to skim through around 50
data sheets from half a dozen manufacturers. HTML runs circles around
any other format for such purposes. But, they had to cook their own soup.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

 

[Anthony Fremont]

"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:40:41 GMT, "Anthony Fremont"
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"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message

I am soooo surprised that ANTONY, our resident EXPERT hasn't
chimed
in with the right answer. (now the asswipe will say he was waiting
for me to help you out).

I never claimed to be an EXPERT on windos, and I really doubt that
anyone expects _you_ to be able to help them out.

The default icon for a file with a ".ICO" extension is like Jim
described. It's the typical piece of paper looking thing with
colored
squares in it. If his icon files are from earlier versions of
windows,
then they will show like this.

Oh boy! He knows about the little squares! Hahahah.. what a joke
you are.

I don't know of any way to change it

We knew that.

Don't quote me out of context you f*cking moron.

except to change them all "en masse" thru the "File Types" tab of the
folder options. XP doesn't seem to like the internal file format,
even
though it mysteriously knows how to view them using the fax viewer
even
though no file type handler is assigned to .ICO files.

In other words, you don't know, retard.

Tell us all the big secret oh great buffoon. They are pre XP icons and
they are not the same format.

You know what, plonktard? I am not going to waste my time on
you.
Sooooorry!

IOW, you don't know.

You're an idiot. You're an absolute fucking dolt.

IKYABWAI Man DM, can't you come up with anything new.....ever? Your
big chance to prove to us all that you actually do know something
useful, but instead you choose to take the childish path.

AFAIK, there is no clickable box in XP that will solve his problems.
Registry hacks or something like TweakUI might be able to help,
otherwise he can change them all to look the same (I doubt that's what
he wants) by changing the entry in the file types tab of the folder
options.

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:02:53 +0100, "Frank Bemelman"
<f.bemelmanq@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:

[snip]

Bunch
of arrogant bastards, at Adobe.

You ought to try the ones at HSpice some time ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
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| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
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It's what you learn, after you know it all, that counts.

 

[Anthony Fremont]

"Anthony Fremont"

Tell us all the big secret oh great buffoon. They are pre XP icons
and
they are not the same format.

There should be a question mark at the end of that.

 

[Joerg]

Hello Jeff,

Except that it is an *open* format. Shortly after this proposal,
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:GUEZ-nwUuqcJ:www.nfbcal.org/nfb-rd/0598.html+FIPS+Making-the-Adobe-PDF-a-FIPS-*-*-*-*-*-*+portable-document-format+zzz+*-*-advised-that-NIST-*-develop-this-in-conjunction-with-the-FIPS+Platform-Independence+open-format+Federal-Information-Processing-Standard
the Feds adopted it as a document standard
in no small part because it IS open.

Well, the US Patent Office did not. The IRS did but that's a problem.
Filling out a form online is a huge pain. I gave up on that long ago and
for stuff that my CPA doesn't do I simply print it out and fill out the
PDFs by hand. Until they learn and post this stuff in a properly
editable format they'll have to live with some hand-written filings.

All the while there was a perfectly fine
non-monopoly standard, HTML.

Except that HTML is a *content* description language
--not a layout description language.
In different environs, it looks different--and PRINTS differently;
not true of PDF.

I have never had any display discrepancies with HTML between three
different browsers and lots of different PCs. As long as none of that
fancy Flash stuff is used which the world can live without. If a
schematic needs to be posted that can be easily embedded as TIFF or half
a dozen other formats. No big deal.

If I have to compy something from HTML to use as a quote it always
arrived verbatim. If I do that with PDF it loses formatting upon arrival.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

 

[Roy L. Fuchs]

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 23:26:53 GMT, "Anthony Fremont"
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"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:40:41 GMT, "Anthony Fremont"
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"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message

I am soooo surprised that ANTONY, our resident EXPERT hasn't
chimed
in with the right answer. (now the asswipe will say he was waiting
for me to help you out).

I never claimed to be an EXPERT on windos, and I really doubt that
anyone expects _you_ to be able to help them out.

The default icon for a file with a ".ICO" extension is like Jim
described. It's the typical piece of paper looking thing with
colored
squares in it. If his icon files are from earlier versions of
windows,
then they will show like this.

Oh boy! He knows about the little squares! Hahahah.. what a joke
you are.

I don't know of any way to change it

We knew that.

Don't quote me out of context you f*cking moron.

Fuck off, jack off. The entire CRAP post you made is right there
for all to see. ESAD.

except to change them all "en masse" thru the "File Types" tab of the
folder options. XP doesn't seem to like the internal file format,
even
though it mysteriously knows how to view them using the fax viewer
even
though no file type handler is assigned to .ICO files.

In other words, you don't know, retard.

Tell us all the big secret oh great buffoon. They are pre XP icons and
they are not the same format.

You are the same retarded format, however.

You know what, plonktard? I am not going to waste my time on
you.
Sooooorry!

IOW, you don't know.

You're an idiot. You're an absolute fucking dolt.

IKYABWAI

You're an adolescent wuss.

Man DM, can't you come up with anything new.....ever?

You're a retarded, adolescent wuss.

Your
big chance to prove to us all that you actually do know something
useful, but instead you choose to take the childish path.

PKB!

AFAIK, there is no clickable box in XP that will solve his problems.
Registry hacks or something like TweakUI might be able to help,
otherwise he can change them all to look the same (I doubt that's what
he wants) by changing the entry in the file types tab of the folder
options.

The key part of that lame remark was the AFAIK.

Like I said, we already knew that you do not know.

 

[John G]

"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
news:hzFSf.39733$_S7.1357@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...

Hello Frank,


It's really unbelieveable what a piece of crap Adobe Acrobat is.
Bit of a shame that the replacements (readers) don't render every
document in the same way, so often you still need Adobe


What amazes me the most is how all the manufacturers bowed their heads
and accepted a format of a quasi-monopoly. All the while there was a
perfectly fine non-monopoly standard, HTML. I have yet to find a case
where I would be unable to document something in HTML.

Another thing is the slowness. Between the PCs of various vintage out
here there is no significant difference in speed when loading or
looking at PDF docs. It take a long time and often the doc doesn't
load all the way. You scroll down to page 63 and then, trundle,
trundle, it inches onto the screen at a snails pace.

Regards, Joerg

Funny, that PDF loads Ok and pages and scrolls as quick as I can

follow.

What Reader are you using? 4 or 6 are both dogs.
If you have not got it Ver 7 is a better way to read PDFs
--
John G

Wot's Your Real Problem?

 

[Joerg]

Hello John,

What Reader are you using? 4 or 6 are both dogs.
If you have not got it Ver 7 is a better way to read PDFs

Both. But why can't they figure out how to keep formats that are
published backwards compatible, at least to the extent that you can open
the file and forego some newer "features". Having a failed backwards
compatibility cause crashes of the application is a rather poor R&D
performance IMHO. In my business we would never get away with that. This
is a question of proper design procedures and management. I bet that a
lot of the hot-shot programmers don't even know what an SOP or a design
history file is.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

 

[Joel Kolstad]

Joerg,

"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
news:0AHSf.57315$Jd.20791@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...

I know but that is not practical at all if you want to select an RF
transistor as I just had to do and you have to skim through around 50 data
sheets from half a dozen manufacturers. HTML runs circles around any other
format for such purposes. But, they had to cook their own soup.

One very real problems with HTML is that there doesn't seem to be a standard
way to save an "entire web page" (graphics included) into a single file.
Microsoft has *.mht, but it sometimes fails (and states as much... I'm not
sure *why* it should fail, but it does... probably something having to do with
not being able to re-trace how some dynamically generated web page ends up as
a static display or something). As such -- until this problem is solved -- I
can't see using HTML as a viable datasheet format.

---Joel

 

[Joerg]

Hello Joel,

One very real problems with HTML is that there doesn't seem to be a standard
way to save an "entire web page" (graphics included) into a single file.
Microsoft has *.mht, but it sometimes fails (and states as much... I'm not
sure *why* it should fail, but it does... probably something having to do with
not being able to re-trace how some dynamically generated web page ends up as
a static display or something). As such -- until this problem is solved -- I
can't see using HTML as a viable datasheet format.

I guess it's all a matter of remaining disciplined when generating HTML
files. I have created tons of HTML documents, some very large, and they
were all very storable. The only program that had occasional problems
with it was, you guessed it, MS-Word. Meaning a hard crash and
re-install. But somehow this did not surprise me much.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

 

[Ken Smith]

In article <1142629308.032792.179280@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
<mrdarrett@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]

I would switch wholeheartedly to Linux, except I need to run my tax
prep software (TaxCut Federal/State), which only run on Win systems.

Chances are it would run under "bochs" but a little slow. Only if it
times CD I/O or something weird as a copy protect would it notice that it
isn't a real PC it is running on.

Every well written windows program I have tried worked just fine under
"wine". The only problem is that there are billions of poorly written
windows programs and about 2 well written ones.
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[Ken Smith]

In article <C0404246.2AA84%dbowey@comcast.net>,
Don Bowey <dbowey@comcast.net> wrote:
[...]

But I may junk my Mac and Windows torture devices and buy another Commodore
64 and design an interface to a massive disk drive.

I still have the source code for doing a FFT on a ZX-80.

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Ken Smith wrote:

In article <1142629308.032792.179280@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
mrdarrett@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
I would switch wholeheartedly to Linux, except I need to run my tax
prep software (TaxCut Federal/State), which only run on Win systems.


Chances are it would run under "bochs" but a little slow. Only if it
times CD I/O or something weird as a copy protect would it notice that it
isn't a real PC it is running on.

Every well written windows program I have tried worked just fine under
"wine". The only problem is that there are billions of poorly written
windows programs and about 2 well written ones.
--
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kensmith@rahul.net forging knowledge

Thanks for that. I'll have to look into "bochs". I'd heard of "wine"
but not "bochs"...

Any recommendations for DVD burning software? I couldn't get the ones
in Fedora Core 4 to work properly...

I've always meant to re-install Fedora Core 4 after upgrading my HDD,
just haven't had time... still have to do a 1040X for 2004, oh the
joy... [should have chosen the flat state sales tax instead of state
income tax paid, Schedule A...]

 

[JeffM]

I'd heard of "wine" but not "bochs"...
onehappymadman @ yahoo.com

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:txZaDKoVj-4J:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines+Bochs+QEMU+%22+Virtual+PC%22+zz-zz+VMWare+VirtualPC

 

[James H]

Hi Joel,

One very real problems with HTML is that there doesn't seem to be a
standard way to save an "entire web page" (graphics included) into a
single file. Microsoft has *.mht, but it sometimes fails (and states as
much... I'm not sure *why* it should fail, but it does... probably
something having to do with not being able to re-trace how some
dynamically generated web page ends up as a static display or something).
As such -- until this problem is solved -- I can't see using HTML as a
viable datasheet format.

The pages don't save in IE if the linked style sheet (.CSS file) is located
on an external domain. The same page can be saved in FireFox.

James H

 

[kai-martin knaak]

John G schrieb:

What amazes me the most is how all the manufacturers bowed their heads
and accepted a format of a quasi-monopoly. All the while there was a
perfectly fine non-monopoly standard, HTML. I have yet to find a case
where I would be unable to document something in HTML.

Those guys who decide on such matters have two issues with HTML:

1) Formating is only hinted but not controlled. Even the choice of fonts
depends on configuration of the browser. This is a nightmare to the
executive who thinks in terms of "coporate design" and the like.

2) A HTML document is open source in the sense that anyone who receicves
it for reading can go ahead modify it and include it via copy and paste
to other documents. In an environment that regards every snippet of
information as an asset, this feels like giving away treasures for free.
In the mindset of a manager this is clearly unacceptable.

---<(kaimartin)>---
--
Kai-Martin Knaak
http://lilalaser.dyndns.org/blog

 

[Joerg]

Hello Kai-Martin,

Those guys who decide on such matters have two issues with HTML:

1) Formating is only hinted but not controlled. Even the choice of fonts
depends on configuration of the browser. This is a nightmare to the
executive who thinks in terms of "coporate design" and the like.

But why is it that I never have any font or other inconsistencies when
looking at HTML pages?

2) A HTML document is open source in the sense that anyone who receicves
it for reading can go ahead modify it and include it via copy and paste
to other documents. In an environment that regards every snippet of
information as an asset, this feels like giving away treasures for free.
In the mindset of a manager this is clearly unacceptable.

You can alter PDF files as well. Not with Acrobat Reader, you'd have to
spend a few hundred for the editor but I guess a crook who wants to
falsify has that kind of money. Maybe one can even edit with OpenOffice,
but that I don't know.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

 

[Ken Smith]

In article <1142669492.443651.96010@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
<onehappymadman@yahoo.com> wrote:

Ken Smith wrote:
In article <1142629308.032792.179280@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
mrdarrett@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
I would switch wholeheartedly to Linux, except I need to run my tax
prep software (TaxCut Federal/State), which only run on Win systems.


Chances are it would run under "bochs" but a little slow. Only if it
times CD I/O or something weird as a copy protect would it notice that it
isn't a real PC it is running on.
[...]
Any recommendations for DVD burning software? I couldn't get the ones
in Fedora Core 4 to work properly...

It depends on what I'm doing. I use the "KDE" "K3B" program for point and
clicky stuff. I also have some scripts that use "mkisofs" and "cdrecord".
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