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[John Devereux]

Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> writes:

I have maybe one restart every couple of weeks with Win2K. I
occassionally have to kill Acrobat because it gets into tussels with
something else, but that's not the OS's fault. One every 2 days would
be Win95 levels of stability, and unacceptable, IMO.

My windows XP system is quite stable, also lasting a couple of weeks
between reboots. But then I only use it as a VNC terminal to my linux
server

--

John Devereux

 

[Don Bowey]

On 3/17/06 8:29 AM, in article 878xr9592k.fsf@cordelia.devereux.me.uk, "John
Devereux" <jdREMOVE@THISdevereux.me.uk> wrote:

Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> writes:

I have maybe one restart every couple of weeks with Win2K. I
occassionally have to kill Acrobat because it gets into tussels with
something else, but that's not the OS's fault. One every 2 days would
be Win95 levels of stability, and unacceptable, IMO.

My windows XP system is quite stable, also lasting a couple of weeks
between reboots. But then I only use it as a VNC terminal to my linux
server

My wife's laptop has XP and hasn't had more than three freezes in several
years.

My new Tower, with XP, couldn't cope with a serious conflict between the
video editor, and Photoshop, which I used to build menus. No new drivers
for the programs or XP would fix it, so I had to switch to a different
graphics program. Now it appears stable.

Last weekend I overhauled a daughter-in-law's W2k computer. A new P.S. had
it fixed, but snatching defeat from the jaws of victory I decided to replace
an almost full 40G drive, with a 160G drive. That went well, but then I
decided to install XP.... Everything was fine until I discovered the audio
was dead. A quick look showed the AC97 codec of the on-board device wasn't
working. No big deal, right? Starting with the motherboard's maker, I
snagged a new driver and put it in. Same result! After grabbing and
installing other drivers from various locations, with useless results, I
resorted to the google quagmire to seek help. I was surprised to find MANY
cases like mine; no audio after installing XP. So I killed time looking
around Microsoft's blogs and got no help (no surprise). By now my attempts
to install a new AC97 driver had a new wrinkle..... The MS "Wizard" would
not attempt to replace the in-place driver, because the new one was no
better than the installed one.

Some internet wisdom was certain the AC97 problem was connected to a BIOS
problem. So I found a new BIOS, but decided to hold it as a last resort.

Yesterday morning I went surfing for more AC97 drivers. In each package, I
looked to see if there was a setup program. Finally, I found one that could
do battle with the MS wizard. I executed the setup, had it uninstall the
existing driver, then, finally, had it install the new driver. The MS
wizard was defeated, and my AC97 came forth and gave me sound.

I expect long-term stability will be better than with W2k.

But I may junk my Mac and Windows torture devices and buy another Commodore
64 and design an interface to a massive disk drive.

Don

 

[Keith Williams]

In article <eqml12pra63dhhe5ck9dql0iih5e2i8a00@4ax.com>,
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat says...

On 17 Mar 2006 06:56:50 -0800, the renowned langwadt@ieee.org wrote:


Joerg skrev:

Hello Jim,


But these new boxes come with hardware tied to the OS. So it's
another form of nightmare to get it all working.

With my old Sony laptop, delivered with WinME, I redid it as Win2K.
Took me two months to get the audio and video to work right :-(


I saved myself that ordeal and cajoled Dell into configuring the PC
before the last one for Win2k. It took some convincing and I had to pay
an extra $100 but it was well worth it. They said I was the first
non-gvt customer with such a "strange" request.

With the next one they said it's impossible, for the very reasons you
mentioned above. Might not be worth the effort just to find out that the
graphics chips or whatever won't run properly because nobdoy ever wrote
a 2k driver for it.

Crash rates when using pretty much full time: XP machine about 2/day, 2k
machine 0.5/day, DOS machine zero/day. What a progress :-(


what the hell are you doing to make XP so ustable?, I have a standard
Dell box at
work with winxp-pro it never crashes, current uptime is 23 days. and
its usually running at 100% load with synthesis, par or sims when not
used with several different usb and parallel port programmers/debuggers

-Lasse

I have maybe one restart every couple of weeks with Win2K. I
occassionally have to kill Acrobat because it gets into tussels with
something else, but that's not the OS's fault. One every 2 days would
be Win95 levels of stability, and unacceptable, IMO.

I had Win2K on my previous ThinkPad (A21p). I can count on my

hands the number of times it crashed in the almost five years I had
it. This ThinkPad (T42p) with XP crashes or locks up a couple of
times a week. I don't recall Win2K ever locking up on my K6-III
based KeithKit. I'm certainly not impressed by XP.

--
Keith

 

[Joerg]

Hello Lasse,

what the hell are you doing to make XP so ustable?, ...

Running IAR for programming the MSP430, mostly. IAR is made by the
descendants of the Vikings so I guess it has to be rock solid ;-)

Then some FFT routines and stuff like that. Adobe Acrobat crashes all
the time but it seems this isn't OS related as it always did. So I did
not count those crashes which can be a dozen a day and a soft restart
fixes those. I wish companies would publish their data sheets in HTML
and not PDF.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

 

[Frank Bemelman]

"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> schreef in bericht
news:QQESf.39720$_S7.35599@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...

Hello Lasse,


what the hell are you doing to make XP so ustable?, ...


Running IAR for programming the MSP430, mostly. IAR is made by the
descendants of the Vikings so I guess it has to be rock solid ;-)

Then some FFT routines and stuff like that. Adobe Acrobat crashes all
the time but it seems this isn't OS related as it always did. So I did
not count those crashes which can be a dozen a day and a soft restart
fixes those. I wish companies would publish their data sheets in HTML
and not PDF.

It's really unbelieveable what a piece of crap Adobe Acrobat is.
Bit of a shame that the replacements (readers) don't render every
document in the same way, so often you still need Adobe

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'q' and '.invalid' when replying by email)

 

[Anthony Fremont]

"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message

I am soooo surprised that ANTONY, our resident EXPERT hasn't chimed
in with the right answer. (now the asswipe will say he was waiting
for me to help you out).

I never claimed to be an EXPERT on windos, and I really doubt that
anyone expects _you_ to be able to help them out.

The default icon for a file with a ".ICO" extension is like Jim
described. It's the typical piece of paper looking thing with colored
squares in it. If his icon files are from earlier versions of windows,
then they will show like this. I don't know of any way to change it
except to change them all "en masse" thru the "File Types" tab of the
folder options. XP doesn't seem to like the internal file format, even
though it mysteriously knows how to view them using the fax viewer even
though no file type handler is assigned to .ICO files.

You know what, plonktard? I am not going to waste my time on you.
Sooooorry!

IOW, you don't know.

 

[Joel Kolstad]

Say Joerg,

"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
news:QQESf.39720$_S7.35599@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...

what the hell are you doing to make XP so ustable?, ...
Running IAR for programming the MSP430, mostly. IAR is made by the
descendants of the Vikings so I guess it has to be rock solid ;-)

CrossWorks from Rowley (http://www.rowley.co.uk/msp430/index.htm) is a very
nice package you might consider instead, if possible. Not only is the
performance better (generally the resulting code is faster and smaller) but it
costs less as well, and if you call them for support with some technical
problem you'll most likely speak directly to the programmer.

---Joel

 

Ken Smith wrote:

In article <1142556021.977587.111490@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
[.........]
Well, give it a shot anyway, as long as you have the System Restore
CDs. (Or System Restore hidden partition on the HP machines.)

You are assuming that the restore CDs will restore the system. I wouldn't
trust it. On a desk top machine, I'd go buy a new hard disk, unmount the
XP one and put linux on the new one. That way in the unlikely event that
you actually want to go back to XP, you can do it with a screw driver.

This way Bill Gates will never know.

Yes, that is a good idea also, as long as the OP doesn't mind getting a
new drive / wiping an old one.

If it's a comms box only, maybe try Fedora Core 4 Linux?

I'm using SuSE 9.3-64, the only problem I have with it is that they no
longer include the "Billy Basher" game. It was a fun "wack a mole" like
game.

I bought an HP computer with XP about 2 years ago (or was it 3 years?
I forget). The cheap motherboard didn't even have an AGP slot.
(!!!!!!) So I got a new board from Asus, so I could play Unreal
Tournament 2004 at a reasonable framerate on it (with my AGP video
accelerator). Freaking XP didn't like my board, and what's more, after
reading up on the web, I realized I violated the license agreement by
installing a new mainboard.

Fine. Restore CDs plus old motherboard (plus old hard drive, I
upgraded that too) are now in a storage box somewhere. Installed my
old Windows 2k on my home machine. I'm happily running that.

I'm tempted to just send the parts and XP CDs to the in-laws in the
Philippines, let them play with it. Only I paid for the XP license
here in the USA...

I would switch wholeheartedly to Linux, except I need to run my tax
prep software (TaxCut Federal/State), which only run on Win systems.

 

[Joerg]

Hello Joel,

CrossWorks from Rowley (http://www.rowley.co.uk/msp430/index.htm) is a very
nice package you might consider instead, if possible. Not only is the
performance better (generally the resulting code is faster and smaller) but it
costs less as well, and if you call them for support with some technical
problem you'll most likely speak directly to the programmer.

Actually IAR is quite responsive as well. The guy I talked to even had
that distinct Scandinavian accent. As long as they don't require me to
eat lutefisk I'll probably stay with IAR.

Anyway, I don't program that much, just trying out things and then hand
the HW design along with the firmware architecture and maybe some really
time critical routines written out to the programming pros. Also, it's
all assembler anyway. Faster and less grief.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

 

[Joerg]

Hello Frank,

It's really unbelieveable what a piece of crap Adobe Acrobat is.
Bit of a shame that the replacements (readers) don't render every
document in the same way, so often you still need Adobe

What amazes me the most is how all the manufacturers bowed their heads
and accepted a format of a quasi-monopoly. All the while there was a
perfectly fine non-monopoly standard, HTML. I have yet to find a case
where I would be unable to document something in HTML.

Another thing is the slowness. Between the PCs of various vintage out
here there is no significant difference in speed when loading or looking
at PDF docs. It take a long time and often the doc doesn't load all the
way. You scroll down to page 63 and then, trundle, trundle, it inches
onto the screen at a snails pace.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

 

[Joerg]

Hello Frank,

It's really unbelieveable what a piece of crap Adobe Acrobat is.
Bit of a shame that the replacements (readers) don't render every
document in the same way, so often you still need Adobe

To add insult to injury: I just tried to look at the manual of a
VirginMobile cell phone because the two I had considered are no longer
available. Tried on two PCs. "AcroRd32.exe has generated errors blah
blah blah" ..... CRASH. What a progress.

If somebody want to try, the link is on the bottom left of this page but
I am not going to click that again:
http://www.virginmobileusa.com/catalog/phoneDetail.do?skuId=VMK7LE

A program that hang upon a data file even if such data file contains
erros is, IMHO, a sign of poor product quality. And if the file is only
for newer versions and the older program crashes that doesn't appear to
be a sign of great competence either.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:40:41 GMT, "Anthony Fremont"
<spam@anywhere.com> wrote:

"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message

I am soooo surprised that ANTONY, our resident EXPERT hasn't chimed
in with the right answer. (now the asswipe will say he was waiting
for me to help you out).

I never claimed to be an EXPERT on windos, and I really doubt that
anyone expects _you_ to be able to help them out.

The default icon for a file with a ".ICO" extension is like Jim
described. It's the typical piece of paper looking thing with colored
squares in it. If his icon files are from earlier versions of windows,
then they will show like this. I don't know of any way to change it
except to change them all "en masse" thru the "File Types" tab of the
folder options. XP doesn't seem to like the internal file format, even
though it mysteriously knows how to view them using the fax viewer even
though no file type handler is assigned to .ICO files.

You know what, plonktard? I am not going to waste my time on you.
Sooooorry!

IOW, you don't know.

I suspect it may have something to do with choice of "open-with" for
files of type .ico

I have just finished re-installing WinFax... I always leave it to last
because it can be severely cantankerous... for some reason it went
smoothly this time ;-)

Last severe annoyance... how do I shut off this f...ing Messenger
annoyance from starting up at turn-on?

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

It's what you learn, after you know it all, that counts.

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 21:32:19 +0100, "Frank Bemelman"
<f.bemelmanq@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:

"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> schreef in bericht
news:QQESf.39720$_S7.35599@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
Hello Lasse,


what the hell are you doing to make XP so ustable?, ...


Running IAR for programming the MSP430, mostly. IAR is made by the
descendants of the Vikings so I guess it has to be rock solid ;-)

Then some FFT routines and stuff like that. Adobe Acrobat crashes all
the time but it seems this isn't OS related as it always did. So I did
not count those crashes which can be a dozen a day and a soft restart
fixes those. I wish companies would publish their data sheets in HTML
and not PDF.

It's really unbelieveable what a piece of crap Adobe Acrobat is.
Bit of a shame that the replacements (readers) don't render every
document in the same way, so often you still need Adobe

It seems to me that Adobe has shot themselves in the foot... PDF is no
longer the universal file format... shame they didn't have the brains
enough to ensure compatibility amongst all versions. Seems a
no-brainer to add features without barfing... just announce that a
certain feature can't be used/viewed by version-X and continue on
rather than locking up :-(

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

It's what you learn, after you know it all, that counts.

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:33:31 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

[snip]

Last severe annoyance... how do I shut off this f...ing Messenger
annoyance from starting up at turn-on?

...Jim Thompson

Nevermind. I found the setting.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

It's what you learn, after you know it all, that counts.

 

[Joerg]

Hello Jim,

It seems to me that Adobe has shot themselves in the foot... PDF is no
longer the universal file format... shame they didn't have the brains
enough to ensure compatibility amongst all versions. Seems a
no-brainer to add features without barfing... just announce that a
certain feature can't be used/viewed by version-X and continue on
rather than locking up :-(

In the medical device industry we'd face some hard consequences for
stuff like that. Such as FDA padlocks on all the company entrances, and
if something bad has happened maybe some handcuffs...

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

 

[Joel Kolstad]

Hi Joerg,

"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
news:KuFSf.39729$_S7.17378@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...

Actually IAR is quite responsive as well.

Good point; I should have mentioned that as well. We use IAR for Atmel CPUs,
and although personally I do very little with it, another guy who does says
they've been quite responsive. They also significantly lowered their list
price when we mentioned that -- for future work -- we were evaluating
Crossworks. At that point we couldn't really protest (and bought a couple
more licenses)!

 

[Frank Bemelman]

"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> schreef in bericht
news:6LFSf.39736$_S7.26763@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...

Hello Frank,


It's really unbelieveable what a piece of crap Adobe Acrobat is.
Bit of a shame that the replacements (readers) don't render every
document in the same way, so often you still need Adobe


To add insult to injury: I just tried to look at the manual of a
VirginMobile cell phone because the two I had considered are no longer
available. Tried on two PCs. "AcroRd32.exe has generated errors blah
blah blah" ..... CRASH. What a progress.

If somebody want to try, the link is on the bottom left of this page but
I am not going to click that again:
http://www.virginmobileusa.com/catalog/phoneDetail.do?skuId=VMK7LE

For what it is worth, that file loads fine here. Adobe reader 6.0 here.

A program that hang upon a data file even if such data file contains
erros is, IMHO, a sign of poor product quality. And if the file is only
for newer versions and the older program crashes that doesn't appear to
be a sign of great competence either.

Adobe Reader is crap. Takes ages to load, and I'm not impressed by
that splash screen full of patent numbers anyway.

There is absolutely no excuse for releasing such a crappy piece
of software.

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'q' and '.invalid' when replying by email)

 

[Roy L. Fuchs]

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 20:40:41 GMT, "Anthony Fremont"
<spam@anywhere.com> Gave us:

"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message

I am soooo surprised that ANTONY, our resident EXPERT hasn't chimed
in with the right answer. (now the asswipe will say he was waiting
for me to help you out).

I never claimed to be an EXPERT on windos, and I really doubt that
anyone expects _you_ to be able to help them out.

The default icon for a file with a ".ICO" extension is like Jim
described. It's the typical piece of paper looking thing with colored
squares in it. If his icon files are from earlier versions of windows,
then they will show like this.

Oh boy! He knows about the little squares! Hahahah.. what a joke
you are.

I don't know of any way to change it

We knew that.

except to change them all "en masse" thru the "File Types" tab of the
folder options. XP doesn't seem to like the internal file format, even
though it mysteriously knows how to view them using the fax viewer even
though no file type handler is assigned to .ICO files.

In other words, you don't know, retard.

You know what, plonktard? I am not going to waste my time on you.
Sooooorry!

IOW, you don't know.

You're an idiot. You're an absolute fucking dolt.

 

[Frank Bemelman]

"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> schreef in bericht
news:hzFSf.39733$_S7.1357@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...

Hello Frank,


It's really unbelieveable what a piece of crap Adobe Acrobat is.
Bit of a shame that the replacements (readers) don't render every
document in the same way, so often you still need Adobe


What amazes me the most is how all the manufacturers bowed their heads
and accepted a format of a quasi-monopoly. All the while there was a
perfectly fine non-monopoly standard, HTML. I have yet to find a case
where I would be unable to document something in HTML.

PDF's are okay, with all the stuff vectored etc. It's the reader that
sucks.

Another thing is the slowness. Between the PCs of various vintage out
here there is no significant difference in speed when loading or looking
at PDF docs. It take a long time and often the doc doesn't load all the
way. You scroll down to page 63 and then, trundle, trundle, it inches
onto the screen at a snails pace.

When loaded in a browser, it is really slow. Often I download the file
first, then open it with the reader.


--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'q' and '.invalid' when replying by email)

 

[Carl Smith]

In article <441b3c33$0$11881$e4fe514c@dreader13.news.xs4all.nl>,
f.bemelmanq@xs4all.invalid.nl says...

PDF's are okay, with all the stuff vectored etc. It's the reader that
sucks.

Yeah. What he said.

I find it completely ridiculous that I have a 3 GHz PC with a
gig of RAM, and a video card that can process images with 10's
of thousands or 100's of thousands of polygons at double digit
frame rates, yet when I scroll an acrobat document with the
mouse scoll wheel (so it actually scrolls rather than paging)
and it gets to an embedded graphic, it slows to a crawl,
updating the screen only a couple times per second as it
scrolls.