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[Richard the Dreaded Liber]

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:31:37 -0400, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:11:05 GMT, the renowned Richard the Dreaded
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:57:02 -0400, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:48:51 -0700, the renowned John Larkin
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:29:02 GMT, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:45:34 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 02:50:04 GMT, Blair P. Houghton <b@p.h> wrote:
...
And when the managers forget that they're no better than the people they
manage, it creates unfair divisions between classes, with managers
assuring that those below them will always have less opportunity than
they themselves had.

Equally bizarre. How did the managers get to be managers, if the older
managers denied them opportunities?

By already being in the old-boy network. Being born into the ruling
class. They don't really "forget" that they're no better than anybody
else - they're raised truly believing that they're better than others,
which is much more insidious.

You're making that up. A manager gets stuff done by having
subordinates who are motivated, smart, and responsible. And a good
manager will find and develop anybody who has the potential.

The "class" here is the class of people who get stuff done, as
distinct from the other class whose main function is to complain about
how unfair life is.

Never underestimate the resentment and viciousness some people are
capable of.

Especially when someone takes credit for their work and finesses that into
accolades for "getting things done".

AFAIR, RSW advocates a Cambodian-style cleansing operation. How would
you feel about participating in something along those lines, assuming
minimal personal risk and a chance to turn the tables?

No, thanks - I'm content to just slip through the cracks for now and
toss a little barbb now and then, and basically, let Nature take Her
course. I'm hoping that Her aim is improving, however. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Joel Kolstad]

I did a little exploration and found that this particular problem appears to
caused by ORCAD's installation overwriting hhctrl.ocx with a rather old
version _without bothering to check whether or not the current hhctrl.ocx is
newer!_. *** ORCAD 9.2 had this exact same problem, which means that in over
THREE YEARS Cadence hasn't fixed it!!!

Also disappointing was that a call to Cadence's help desk resulted in the
usual "No, we're not aware of that problem, sir... we'll add it to our
list..."

---Joel

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:02:40 -0800, "Joel Kolstad"
<JKolstad71HatesSpam@yahoo.com> wrote:

I did a little exploration and found that this particular problem appears to
caused by ORCAD's installation overwriting hhctrl.ocx with a rather old
version _without bothering to check whether or not the current hhctrl.ocx is
newer!_. *** ORCAD 9.2 had this exact same problem, which means that in over
THREE YEARS Cadence hasn't fixed it!!!

Also disappointing was that a call to Cadence's help desk resulted in the
usual "No, we're not aware of that problem, sir... we'll add it to our
list..."

---Joel

Are you surprised? This is the result of "killing the competition by
acquisition", a procedure that shouldn't be allowed in this country,
but is

OrCAD ate MicroSim (PSpice), then Cadence ate OrCAD. You can bet that
OrCAD and PSpice will vanish from the world.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Joerg]

Hello Jim,

Are you surprised? This is the result of "killing the competition by
acquisition", a procedure that shouldn't be allowed in this country,
but is

Even phone companies can do that. I am all for free enterprise but that
one is becoming scary. Two corporate elephant marriages at the same
time. I guess our deal with 10c/min international will soon fizzle and
this in light of the fact that our EU friends now pay about 2c/min for
the same path but orginating from Europe. It used to be the other way
around.

OrCAD ate MicroSim (PSpice), then Cadence ate OrCAD. You can bet that
OrCAD and PSpice will vanish from the world.

Yeah, it may go the way of Studebaker and DeSoto. But as with cars there
is plenty of competition, just not all domestic.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

 

[NunYa Bidness]

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:38:28 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> Gave us:

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:31:42 -0700, marc182 <marc182@cox.net> wrote:

In article <pan.2005.11.10.16.57.47.491817@example.net>,
Say_Rich_Greiss@example.net says...
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 10:25:17 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:14:41 +0000, John Woodgate
I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Jim Thompson
...
Anyone post anything useful yesterday ?

What, here? Surely you jest? (;-)

I thought I might have missed some profound leftist weenie utterance
;-)

I was particularly interested in the results of the election regarding
the San Francisco Gun Ban Initiative, Proposition H.

According to this morning's (Thurs, 11/10/05) TeeVee NooZ the NRA
has already filed a lawsuit to get it declared unconstitutional.

It will be interesting to see how that comes out.

Very difficult. The Constitution applies to the Federal Government, not
state and city governments. Even if unconstitutional, it can still
stand.

Very WRONG! And quite nonsensical. The Constitution applies to ALL,
and is particularly enforced against states trying to pass laws that
are contraindicated by the Constitution.

...Jim Thompson

We get some real funny remarks in this group... Wow.

What you say is true. I just wish it was practiced more thoroughly.
Folks get screwed all the time. Especially when property is involved.

Look at inheritance tax for a perfect example.

 

[NunYa Bidness]

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 01:33:54 GMT, jmeyer@nowhere.net Gave us:

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:09:33 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wroth:

Cox.net strikes again

Lost their new server :-(

Anyone use supernews? Comments?

...Jim Thompson

Many of your posts extole the virtues of living in Arizona. The weather
is always fine and your living conditions are better than all the other places
you make fun of.

One would think that if Arizona is so wonderful, you could find a better
ISP.

Jim

Cable access to the internet is among the fastest the consumer can

get for a good value (price (comparatively speaking)).

That said, there are seldom two cable companies that wire the same
area. Doh!

So... you want him to downgrade, in order to "upgrade"???

 

[Melanie Nasic]

What 50 ohm resistors (on-chip or off-chip) are you referring to, Jim? The
CML transmitters have an internal 50 ohms to Vcc. And a question to John: I
didn't understand why I get logic levels of Vcc and Vcc-0.4 if I terminate
again externally? Where does the 0.4V come from? Or is it my swing that Vcc
is high and Vcc-0.4 is low voltage level?

Thanks, Mel



"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> schrieb im
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On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:46:04 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:29:53 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:00:07 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:56:31 +0100, "Melanie Nasic"
quinn_the_esquimo@freenet.de> wrote:

Hi there,

I'm currently working on a board design and I have to interface two
VLSI
chips to each other that don't have exactly compatible level
characteristics. To be more precise I have a differential CML output of
U(t)
= 1.8V +/- 0.400V * rect(t) being terminated 50 Ohm to Vref and a
non-standard differential Input which assumes U(t) = 1.15V +/- 0.125V *
rect(t) being 100 Ohm differentially terminated.
I first thought about AC coupling but that only kills my DC part but
doesn't
come to solve the problem of incompatible swings. Maybe a resistor
network
would be the right choice but I am not so firm on that topic. Any help,
suggestions and calculation examples would be appreciated.

Many thanks in advance and best regards,

Melanie


May I presume that Vref is +2.2V and the CML is open-collector pulling
current through the 50 ohm terminations to make the ą400mV signals?
8mA alternating from each collector?

Can additional current be drawn from Vref?

...Jim Thompson

I think CML is usually a unidirectional current sink, an open
collector, pulling about 16 mA for the full-swing version, basicly an
ECL sort of stage without the emitter follower. Some have an internal
termination to Vcc, some don't.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.


Melanie may be able to do a direct connection, depending on the
common-mode specs of the receiver. We need more detail.


John



ą400mV differential would imply an 8mA current source, steered by a
diff-pair. But sometimes people get balled up in confusion about
differential peak and peak-to-peak.

But 16mA _would_ give the conventional 800mV single-ended output.

I don't know what is the real spec, since I'm always on-chip and run
as little as 150mV P-P differential... gotta keep those swings down
when you're doing 3GHz ;-)

...Jim Thompson


Well, you don't have long tranny lines and remote terminations
on-chip! If you did, the chips would be toast.

Some of the CML parts, like a few of the GigaLogic things, have an
internal 50 ohms to Vcc, so that if you terminate again, externally,
you get logic levels of Vcc and Vcc-0.4.

I think "current mode logic" is a sometimes generic term, not precise
like, say "TTL". (Just a little joke here.)

A couple of the Giga parts have pure current sinks that are externally
programmable, all the way down to zero if you cheat a little, very
clean and linear, 40 ps edges. That can be real handy.

John

 

[Oppie]

"cbm5" <cbmSPAMLESSfive@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5Rgnf.10837$fz5.573@dukeread04...

Oppie wrote:
Think I'll stick to bread making...
Tried forge welding a few times - the process that you referred to in
folding over the metal, hammering it flat again while yellow hot. Hot
flux sprays all over and if you don't do it *exactly* right, the metal
doesn't fuse together properly. The flux is used to keep oxygen *out* of
the joint in this case. Even in an induction furnace where you don't have
to worry quite as much about oxidation (which impedes bonding), it is
still tricky. Can't imagine how difficult it was for the sword makers of
old working over coal fires to make these exquisite swords.
In the movie 'Kill Bill' where Hantori says that it will take a month
to make the sword, even for a master sword maker, that seemed a short
time considering all the work involved.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that modern steel
alloys and forging procedures can produce swords exceeding the quality of
the ancient methods. Maybe I'm just thinking of Damascus steel, since
those were supposed to be mass-produced and I don't think any folding was
happening. As far as the benefits of folding, I had thought it was
supposed to combine the hardness (edge-keeping ability) with flexibilty
(resistance to breakage). It still seems that these days we can do pretty
well with certain alloys. I remember not too long ago there was some kind
of plasma-based surface treatment, made the surface three times harder
than normal steel? Or maybe synthetic diamond fused along the edge and
honed down to an almost monomolecular edge over a few years using a
scanning tunneling microscope. That would be pretty sharp.

The Damascus steel was produced with alternating layers of high carbon and
low carbon steel forge welded toghther, folded and re-welded many times.
High carbon steel makes for keen edges but is very brittle and breaks
easily. Low carbon is resillient but won't hold an edge. I believe that the
idea was the even when you chipped the edge, the layered structure that was
exposed still kept a keen cutting edge.

Modern alloys and production methods can do amazing things. I trained though
as a historical interperter in an 1800 museum as a blacksmith apprentice.
Working over a coal fired forge is quite a challenge compared to modern
methods.

Probably good for me to re-read Alex Bealer's book "The Art of
Blacksmithing" again. It's been a while and that was an excellent text on
historical iron working. ($10 at Amazon.com)

 

[default]

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:14:29 -0600, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:43:05 +0100, "Frank Bemelman"
f.bemelmanq@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:

"default" schreef in bericht
newsh3sp19vhfcvui12mqeo96qgl7cnsm5ck9@4ax.com...
On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:28:39 +0100, "Frank Bemelman"
f.bemelmanq@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:

I find that the bread from the local bakery here is 1000x better
than what you can achieve at home.

Shouldn't that be "I find that the bread from the local bakery here is
1000x better than what I can achieve at home."

Nah... okay, perhaps I slipped in extra zero. 100x then.

---
LOL, I think he was saying that what you can achieve at home may be
quite different from what he can achieve at home.

Really? I don't see it.

He said his bakery bread was a 1K X better than what YOU can achieve
at home. That would say that his bakery is better than what I can
achieve at home. I don't agree with that.

Maybe it should have been "..better than one can achieve at home." I
assume that's how he probably intended it.
--

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[Terry Given]

Ken Smith wrote:

In article <dp4j32$sjr$03$1@news.t-online.com>,
Helmut Sennewald <helmutsennewald@t-online.de> wrote:

"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:dp463q$3e2$2@blue.rahul.net...

In article <docfe8$4jm$02$2@news.t-online.com>,
Helmut Sennewald <helmutsennewald@t-online.de> wrote:
[....]

I am sure that nobody wants to make R with the PCB-Traces.

I'm sure that isn't true.

Hello Ken,

I am interested if there are other applications.
On what application do you think except current sensing?


Current sensing is the one where I know of good results from making
resistances on purpose.

There have been a few cases where I wished I could make resistors inside
the PCB. The one that comes to mind was the need to block 1.2..GHz with a
filter. I didn't do it though. I ended up with a "U" shaped RLC circuit.
The resistance of the inductor was enough for my purposes.

the evil TVC-1 chassis used a Cu trace for the filament resistor. what a
POS. I shorted them on dozens of TVC-1s used as colour monitors in
videogames, to crank up the filament voltage and get a bit more use out
of soft tubes. most ran happily for several years afterwards.

I also read a paper a few years back on one-shot "guns" that discharged
a bloody great cap into a little bit of PCB trace, and captured the
resultant "bang" to fire a projectile The really cool part was how
they used a 1N4007 as a one-time switch for (IIRC) 4kV

Cheers
Terry

 

[Anton Erasmus]

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:00:42 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 23:28:02 GMT, "Harry Dellamano"
harryd@tdsystems.org> wrote:

Looking for best software to convert DWG to PDF for less than $75. I need
to be able to zoom and crop large DWG drawings into smaller PDF. I already
have Acrobat 7.
Thanks,
Harry


PaintShopPro will open and process DWG. Since you have Acrobat, then
just "print" to a PDF.

Don't do that. You will end up with a bitmap file in stead of a nice
vector file. Any free viewer that can print can use Acrobat Distiller
that comes with Acrobat to generate a PDF.

Regards
Anton Erasmus

 

[Marte Schwarz]

May be. I didn't read the english texts, because german is my native
languague ;-) But you don't have to read any texts from this guy. The
program is totaly self explaining.

Perhaps only to native German speakers?

Tell me your question, I may give you the answer without reading any text
from this guy.

Gegen dummheit kampfen Die Gotter Selbst, vergebens.
Gegen Dummheit kaempfen die Goetter selbst vergebens
--Shiller
Schiller

Helau

Marte

 

I'm very sorry for my behavior that I've post so many the same
imformation on the google group,I will never same mistake for ever. And
that's my first time to use the google group.

 

[Brad Velander]

Just fuck off you idiot,
There are no rules, you have no right to try and dictate how or what
others post. You're just an intellectual bullie trying to feel powerful, or
is it simply feel useful, by trying to regulate and make others conform to
your petty little view of the world and how they should use Usenet. They
need to ship more like you off to Iraq, a new twist on the Darwin awards.

Seems only you and some of your fellow henchmen are the ones
experiencing difficulties or ignorance. Making claims about Usenet that
anybody can refute and you cannot defend. Intellectually challenged by
variety and variation? Can't figure things out for yourself unless it is
presented in a specific format?

You're precisiely the reason that Usenet was created without rules and
regulations. To keep assholes like you from any legitimate attempt to rule
Usenet.

You are welcome to supply legitimate references that aren't of your own
making! C'mon, what's wrong there Jeffy Pooh, can't supply any references
that are valid or other than your own making/dribble? If you weren't such a
liar and bully you would admit your wrongs or supply valid references for
your claims. When challenged all you can do is fall back to your own claims
and insist that your foes are wrong, well prove it or shut up. Supply soem
Usenet referecnes backing your claims or slither back into your hole.

--
Sincerely,
Brad Velander.

"JeffM" <jeffm_@email.com> wrote in message
news:1141703629.866268.121060@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

FYI, the norm on Usenet is that there is no norm
Brad Velander

Go ahead. Continue to remain ignorant.
I understand that you can't see patterns with your head up your ass
like that.
Making things difficult on others and calling it a "style" is moronic.
Usenet has survived stupid people like you and will continue to.
Everyone else knows that you couldn't be more WRONG.

 

[Brad Velander]

What more made up and illegitimate references Jeff? How about something from
a Usenet authority? Why can't you supply some Usenet references Jeff? What
are you hiding from Jeff? What a little weinie! It is easy to see how people
like Hitler/Dubya rise to power, even in the U.S. of A.
Norms are not dictated, norms occur naturally without threats and
recriminations from little dictator/assholes like you!
--
Sincerely,
Brad Velander.

"JeffM" <jeffm_@email.com> wrote in message
news:1141703120.700442.86170@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

yyq787 @ gmail.com wrote:
I will never [make the] same mistake [forever].
...that's my first time [using] the google group.

It's obvious that, despite having posted to Usenet hundreds of times,
Brad.has never bothered to read anything like this:
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:A6TIDwud-1IJ:gloria-brame.com/glory/jour3.htm+lurk+zzz+observe-*-the-*-*-style-*-*-*-*+qq-qq+adapt-your-own-*-accordingly
(A good read for a newbie.)

Another Beginners' Guide:
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:t3PDy-35EzkJ:www.dickalba.demon.co.uk/usenet/guide/guide.html+Before-you-post-*-*-*+lurk-for-a-while

Brad is what we call "clueless".
His notion of *anarchy* is just stupid; all groups have norms.
Here's one more you missed with your recent post: context:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.dance/browse_frm/thread/7d7206245406b31a/d2a254b71a556333?q=they-don't-see-*-*-*-*-Google+You-don't-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-previous-post+click-*-show-options-*+click-THAT-Reply-link+only-leave-enough+zzz+If-you-don't-*-*-*-*-your-reply+faqs
It's easy to miss for Google Groups newbies
because when Google re-crafted their site, they did it poorly IMO.

More stuff here:
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:8PaSp2kKbWoJ:www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html+just-enough+at-*-top-*-*-message+do-not-*-*-*-original+zzz+One-to-Many-Communication+qqq+to-give-a-context
.
.
Often, when someone first posts to Usenet (especially Google Groups),
he has a burning hunger for an answer to a question.
Tunnel-vision sets in and he doesn't stop to realize
that others may be interested in the topic as well.

Multi-posting gets HIM the answer,
but it makes it difficult for OTHERS who are trying to follow the
topic.
This has always been obvious to me;
I'm just amazed that others don't get it immediately.

 

[JeffM]

Norms are not dictated, norms occur naturally without threats
Brad Velander (Still top-posting; still clueless; still pig-headed)

....or (in your case) completely ignored.
You must be a real joy in gatherings of people.

People who don't lurk, observe, then EMULATE what already exists
remind me of a guy who is new to an organization
and, at the 1st meeting he attends,
stands right up and starts blathering away
about someting that the group has discussed many times before
and has consistantly rejected.

 

[JeffM]

supply legitimate references
Brad Velander

If the concept of empirical evidence evades you, you are simply
hopeless.
If you can't discern a pattern from the postings of Usenet veterans,
it is useless for me to to try to convince you.
Remain in your own little realm.
No one takes you seriously anyway.

 

[Brad Velander]

Oh just fuck off, I have watched weinies like you, your henchmen and others
trying to bullie other users for over a decade now. Your the one lacking
social skills and demeanor trying to force compliance with your bullying
tactics. I have no problem within social circles since I allow others to
express themselves in the fashion they feel comfortable with and take away
the real issues or topics within their discourse, not complaining of the
format in which it was presented.

What group has consistently rejected what? You and your buddies, wow what a
group. Like I said most people (that is not your little group) have no
problems with these less initiated posters, seems only you and your gang
have lacking social skills, when things are not presented within your
desired rigid templates.

Ignorance is your refusal/reluctance to accept that Usenet has no rules
and it is open to all and whatever fashion they use to put their queries or
contributions forward. Without interference or threats from low-life bullies
like yourself.

Pigheaded is the manner by which you continually attempt to justify your
false rules using completely unsanctioned papers/posts/opinions of a select
small group of people that have absolutely no authority to impose such
rules.

I will always be top-posting because I have no problem with memory or
recalling previous posts and I don't like having to read/scan through the
previous references in order to find the new contributions. Can't see why
you want the previous references prior to reading the original
contributions. In conversation do you repeat the previous contributions
prior to contributing your new ideas?

--
Sincerely,
Brad Velander.


"JeffM" <jeffm_@email.com> wrote in message
news:1141854487.601680.221500@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...

Norms are not dictated, norms occur naturally without threats
Brad Velander (Still top-posting; still clueless; still pig-headed)

...or (in your case) completely ignored.
You must be a real joy in gatherings of people.

People who don't lurk, observe, then EMULATE what already exists
remind me of a guy who is new to an organization
and, at the 1st meeting he attends,
stands right up and starts blathering away
about someting that the group has discussed many times before
and has consistantly rejected.

 

[JeffM]

Can't see why you want the previous references
prior to reading the original contributions.
Brad Velander

In most cases, that's true.

The *other* cases reflect just how much you don't get it.
When you learn the meaning of "context"
(the usual definition will do), perhaps you'll understand.

BTW, reposting ALL of the previous comment EVERY TIME
is generally considered *part* of the top-posting paradigm
(which is so reviled) and in *most* cases
THAT part is even more dumb than not making the post read like a dialog
--instead of something that jumps backward and forward in time.

(Now we're getting back to the
*others reading the thread as well* thing that the newbie missed
and which you still apparantly haven't grasped.
..
..

In conversation do you repeat the previous contributions
prior to contributing your new ideas?

I certainly don't repeat it AFTER I'm through with my contribution.

Examine your own twisted logic and your own posting style.
It's a lousy analogy anyway.

 

[RST Engineering (jw)]

And we haven't had serious snow in Grass Valley in March in as long as I can
remember. Wanna trade some of the wet stuff for some of the white stuff?

Jim


"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
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Woke up two hours ago to RAIN! It's still coming down nice and
steady!

Hallelujah!

It last rained 142 days ago.