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Jim Thompson wrote:

I need a 10 SECOND pulse stretcher!

Isn't a "pulse stretcher" the thing that the paramedics use to put the
injured pulse onto the ambulance?

Thanks,
Rich
 
m II wrote:
I had both ends done a few months ago. Nothing to it.

I had that colonoscopy several years ago. I slept through it.


--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
Teflon coated.
 
John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 13:39:49 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:51:36 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote:

On Mar 10, 9:05 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
I need a 10 SECOND pulse stretcher!

I vaguely recall doing that using a counter, but can't recall the
details.

74HC123 goes quite nicely to the 10 second range with RC's. 555
derivatives do too too and is retriggerable if you hang a PNP outside
(see datasheet for example).

JT says "I'm leery of RC due to leakage" which puts him as out of
touch with analog design as he's out of touch with digital. Hmmmm....
what's left?


If you want to use a counter, try a 74HC4060.

No, he doesn't understand counters.

He'd better use a spring timer.


Silly rabbit, it's still Winter!

People were skiing in shorts yesterday. It was, like, 40 degrees. You
didn't really need gloves.

It was in the 40s here the other night.


--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
Teflon coated.
 
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 17:43:29 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 13:39:49 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:51:36 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote:

On Mar 10, 9:05 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
I need a 10 SECOND pulse stretcher!

I vaguely recall doing that using a counter, but can't recall the
details.

74HC123 goes quite nicely to the 10 second range with RC's. 555
derivatives do too too and is retriggerable if you hang a PNP outside
(see datasheet for example).

JT says "I'm leery of RC due to leakage" which puts him as out of
touch with analog design as he's out of touch with digital. Hmmmm....
what's left?


If you want to use a counter, try a 74HC4060.

No, he doesn't understand counters.

He'd better use a spring timer.


Silly rabbit, it's still Winter!
Spring ahead, tomorrow night.

People were skiing in shorts yesterday. It was, like, 40 degrees. You
didn't really need gloves.


It was in the 40s here the other night.
We had a little frost this morning. The Cherry and Pear trees have already
finished blooming.
 
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 19:48:07 -0500, Jamie
<jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:51:36 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote:


On Mar 10, 9:05 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:

I need a 10 SECOND pulse stretcher!

I vaguely recall doing that using a counter, but can't recall the
details.

74HC123 goes quite nicely to the 10 second range with RC's. 555
derivatives do too too and is retriggerable if you hang a PNP outside
(see datasheet for example).


JT says "I'm leery of RC due to leakage" which puts him as out of
touch with analog design as he's out of touch with digital. Hmmmm....
what's left?


If you want to use a counter, try a 74HC4060.


No, he doesn't understand counters.

He'd better use a spring timer.


John


I was going to suggest a wind up oven timer..
Yeah, he might understand how that works.

John
 
John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:51:36 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote:


On Mar 10, 9:05 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:

I need a 10 SECOND pulse stretcher!

I vaguely recall doing that using a counter, but can't recall the
details.

74HC123 goes quite nicely to the 10 second range with RC's. 555
derivatives do too too and is retriggerable if you hang a PNP outside
(see datasheet for example).


JT says "I'm leery of RC due to leakage" which puts him as out of
touch with analog design as he's out of touch with digital. Hmmmm....
what's left?


If you want to use a counter, try a 74HC4060.


No, he doesn't understand counters.

He'd better use a spring timer.


John


I was going to suggest a wind up oven timer..

Jamie
 
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:05:51 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

I need a 10 SECOND pulse stretcher!

I vaguely recall doing that using a counter, but can't recall the
details.

...Jim Thompson
In spite of my analog background I like the precision and stability of
digital, but I've fallen back to complete simplicity, a single 555
Timer... that ought to make Slowman and Jerkin happy ;-)

(I found some high quality 2.2uF film capacitors in my junk :)

...Jim Thompson
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"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in message
news:tikln6p8cpljuqus1aihluvvgahphr3trh@4ax.com...
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:05:51 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

I need a 10 SECOND pulse stretcher!

I vaguely recall doing that using a counter, but can't recall the
details.

...Jim Thompson

In spite of my analog background I like the precision and stability of
digital, but I've fallen back to complete simplicity, a single 555
Timer... that ought to make Slowman and Jerkin happy ;-)

(I found some high quality 2.2uF film capacitors in my junk :)

...Jim Thompson
Ahh! That clears that up. I wasn't sure if you wanted to build
a pulse stretcher in 10 seconds, stretch a pulse to 10 seconds,
or stretch a 10 second pulse to something even longer. ;-)
Art
 
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In spite of my analog background I like the precision and stability of
digital, but I've fallen back to complete simplicity, a single 555
Timer... that ought to make Slowman and Jerkin happy ;-)

(I found some high quality 2.2uF film capacitors in my junk :)

...Jim Thompson

All this time I thought a 555 was an analogue circuit.

mike


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On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 18:57:46 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:05:51 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

I need a 10 SECOND pulse stretcher!

I vaguely recall doing that using a counter, but can't recall the
details.

...Jim Thompson

In spite of my analog background I like the precision and stability of
digital, but I've fallen back to complete simplicity, a single 555
Timer... that ought to make Slowman and Jerkin happy ;-)

(I found some high quality 2.2uF film capacitors in my junk :)

...Jim Thompson
---
Excellent choice, and having the bastards grit their teeth makes it
even better! ;)

---
JF
 
"krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote:
On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 17:43:29 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 13:39:49 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:51:36 -0800 (PST), Tim Shoppa
shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote:

On Mar 10, 9:05 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@On-My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
I need a 10 SECOND pulse stretcher!

I vaguely recall doing that using a counter, but can't recall the
details.

74HC123 goes quite nicely to the 10 second range with RC's. 555
derivatives do too too and is retriggerable if you hang a PNP outside
(see datasheet for example).

JT says "I'm leery of RC due to leakage" which puts him as out of
touch with analog design as he's out of touch with digital. Hmmmm....
what's left?


If you want to use a counter, try a 74HC4060.

No, he doesn't understand counters.

He'd better use a spring timer.


Silly rabbit, it's still Winter!

Spring ahead, tomorrow night.

People were skiing in shorts yesterday. It was, like, 40 degrees. You
didn't really need gloves.


It was in the 40s here the other night.

We had a little frost this morning. The Cherry and Pear trees have already
finished blooming.

It was 34 in Ocala this morning.

--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's
Teflon coated.
 
On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 06:15:24 -0600, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 18:57:46 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:05:51 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

I need a 10 SECOND pulse stretcher!

I vaguely recall doing that using a counter, but can't recall the
details.

...Jim Thompson

In spite of my analog background I like the precision and stability of
digital, but I've fallen back to complete simplicity, a single 555
Timer... that ought to make Slowman and Jerkin happy ;-)

(I found some high quality 2.2uF film capacitors in my junk :)

...Jim Thompson
---
Excellent choice, and having the bastards grit their teeth makes it
even better! ;)

---
JF
555, hilarious! Sounds like digital scared him off again.

John
 
On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 17:39:24 -0700, Rich Grise
<richg@example.net.invalid> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/06/03/proof-that-s-f-s-circumcision-ban-is-anti-semitic/

No, anti-circumcision isn't anti-Semitic,
What a crock.

It's one thing to have an 'opinion' on the merits of circumcision but
that comic is blatantly bigoted flaming propaganda replete with blonde
haired blue eyed 'Aryan hero' fighting the 'monster Jew'.

You could stick that thing in a Holocaust museum and no one would
question it's presence there.

it's anti-child mutilation.

Howcome the Jews are allowed to mutilate their children, while the Mormons
aren't allowed to practice polygamy, which mutilates no one?

Is it just that the poor mutilated little darlings are only Jews? (or
alternatively "only Arabs," who as far as I hear are also child
mutilators)?
Well, Mr. Bigot, circumcision goes back to at least 23'd century BC
Egypt and they were neither Jewish nor Muslim, seeing as how it was to
be at least 2,500 years before Muhammad was even so much as a gleam in
his daddy's eye.

The Jews are just one of a number of peoples who have engaged in the
practice and they have never 'imposed' it on anyone else.

According to the World Health Organization the current ratio in the
U.S. is on the order of 75% being circumcised and, again, has nothing
to do with 'Jews' and 'Muslims' seeing as how the two groups,
combined, are roughly 3% of the population.

Hope This Helps!
Rich
 
On 6/3/2012 3:26 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 11:45:27 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 09:11:15 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 07:39:32 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Thu, 31 May 2012 14:35:32 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

After 56 years, without ever firing any kind of gun, it all comes back
as easy as bicycle riding...

http://www.analog-innovations.com/Target_2012_05_31.jpg

Six shots each, from a Glock 9mm and an S&W BG380 (which I like best,
it's lighter and fits my hand better).

Range: 30'

Standing, one-handed, ear-plugs.
That's an impressive pattern, from 30 feet. I assume you were shooting
behind your back, blindfolded.
Of course ;-)

...Jim Thompson
How many targets did you shoot, before you got the one you
photographed?
That _was_ the very first target, which I claimed before my son,
step-grandson and daughter-in-law could obliterate my success.

(I wasn't totally surprised, though I expected the first shots to miss
completely. In my youth I was quite a good shot.)

I did very good with the AR-15 as well, at 200yd targets... who
couldn't with it on a bench tripod and a great scope/laser dot?

That is a very fine instrument, I'll be buying one.

I haven't decided on the handgun yet. I don't see a need for such
firepower as in the Glock or BG-380. Close-up, in self-protection
mode, something like a Kel-Tec that fits in the palm of your hand
should suffice.

...Jim Thompson
Jim,
9mm and 380's are not considered "such firepower".
In a self defense situation you really don't know what would suffice.
Practice and training so that you do not hesitate to respond is far
better than just a big gun however.

Good luck and keep shooting.
 
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 01:16:34 GMT, nico@puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel)
wrote:

Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com
wrote:

Finally zeroing in on modeling the 74HC4046 after finding a
unpublished AppNote that gave more details on the innards. This is
what a fixed frequency looks like, simulation-wise...

http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/HC4046_VCO_2_SIM.pdf

Comments? Scalings? (This is based on AppNote and Datasheets
claiming trip at VDD/2).

First release will be VCO only and will be in LTspice format. Once
you approve that, the PFD is virtually all logic.

Funny. I put a HC7046 into a design recently. Unfortunately there are
no design tools for calculating the loop filter components. So how
about modeling the HC7046? It is much more interesting because of the
lock detect output which can be used as a reset.
Funny. I have a HC7046 schematic right here in front of me.

Personally I think lock detectors are a farce. But I can certainly
add it in.

As for "design tools for calculating the loop filter components", come
on Nico, that's math, you don't need a "tool" :)

See...

http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/PhaseLockedLoopAnalysis.pdf

for a primer. Adjust analysis for edge-detecting PFD "gain".

...Jim Thompson
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
Jim Thompson wrote:
Taking note that I'm not a logic designer, I'm not sure your version
covers all states.
It passed your sim with slightly different frequencies at each input to
create a walking phase shift.

You did need to match the gates. If they were simmed as discrete 7400's
then you had to take the 4 on the left from one package.


It took Ron Treadway NINE gates back in the
mid-60's in the MC4044...

http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/MC4044_MC4344.pdf
I know. That's why I was surprised it worked with 8 as quoted:

==========quote==========
Newsgroups:
alt.binaries.schematics.electronic,sci.electronics.cad,sci.electronics.design,sci.electronics.misc
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: Help an Analog Guy with a Digital Problem

|> The internal feedback disabled the pulse too soon. The resulting
|> pulse width at the final latch was about 1/2 of what it is with
|> feedback from the output (~2.5nS vs 5nS).
|
|Ok. So was your testing of the last circuit sucessful under full load?
|

You bet...you're now in a product...E-Mail for details.
=========================


--

Reply in group, but if emailing add one more
zero, and remove the last word.
 
On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:09:38 -0400, "Tom Del Rosso"
<td_03@verizon.net.invalid> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

Taking note that I'm not a logic designer, I'm not sure your version
covers all states.

It passed your sim with slightly different frequencies at each input to
create a walking phase shift.

You did need to match the gates. If they were simmed as discrete 7400's
then you had to take the 4 on the left from one package.


It took Ron Treadway NINE gates back in the
mid-60's in the MC4044...

http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/MC4044_MC4344.pdf

I know. That's why I was surprised it worked with 8 as quoted:

==========quote==========
Newsgroups:
alt.binaries.schematics.electronic,sci.electronics.cad,sci.electronics.design,sci.electronics.misc
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: Help an Analog Guy with a Digital Problem

|> The internal feedback disabled the pulse too soon. The resulting
|> pulse width at the final latch was about 1/2 of what it is with
|> feedback from the output (~2.5nS vs 5nS).
|
|Ok. So was your testing of the last circuit sucessful under full load?
|

You bet...you're now in a product...E-Mail for details.
=========================
Thanks, Tom! I'll have to try that. Does it have deadband?

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, CTO | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
On a sunny day (Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:59:28 -0400) it happened Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in
<50814EB0.FE38E8B7@electrooptical.net>:

Bill Sloman wrote:

On Oct 19, 4:00 am, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSensel...@electrooptical.net> wrote:


snip


My usual use for PLLs is
demodulation rather than frequency synthesis, so DDSes are pretty much
beside the point.

Why?

Because driving them in a demodulator loop is a completely needless hassle, and won't
do as good a job when you're done. Analogue loops rock. Doing it digitally makes as
much sense as emulating an op amp using an ADC, a DAC, and an FPGA, i.e. none.
mm
:)
See my posting in s.e.d today with subject:
GPS frequency counter + PLL PIC based
 
On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 15:02:51 -0700 (PDT), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

On Oct 19, 11:59 pm, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSensel...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
BillSlomanwrote:
On Oct 19, 4:00 am, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSensel...@electrooptical.net> wrote:

snip

My usual use for PLLs is
demodulation rather than frequency synthesis, so DDSes are pretty much
beside the point.

Why?

Because driving them in a demodulator loop is a completely needless hassle, and won't
do as good a job when you're done.

Why do you think that? The DDS syntheisised sine wave is likely to
have a lower jitter than you'd get from most VCOs, and you've got a
whole lot better idea of the frequency you are synthesising.
DDSs suck for jitter. Unfiltered, looking at the phase accumulator
MSB, they have a full clock of p-p jitter. DAC'd and filtered, into a
comparator, it's more complex, but much below the LPF cutoff, you're
basically quantized to the DAC resolution. Jitter like 1 part in
20,000 is common for a 16-bit system.

The real nuisance in a DDS is the damned lowpass filter.

VCOs can be a lot better, and VCXOs hugely better.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom laser drivers and controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME thermocouple, LVDT, synchro acquisition and simulation
 
On Oct 19, 11:59 pm, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSensel...@electrooptical.net> wrote:
BillSlomanwrote:
On Oct 19, 4:00 am, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSensel...@electrooptical.net> wrote:

snip

My usual use for PLLs is
demodulation rather than frequency synthesis, so DDSes are pretty much
beside the point.

Why?

Because driving them in a demodulator loop is a completely needless hassle, and won't
do as good a job when you're done.
Why do you think that? The DDS syntheisised sine wave is likely to
have a lower jitter than you'd get from most VCOs, and you've got a
whole lot better idea of the frequency you are synthesising.

Analogue loops rock.  Doing it digitally makes as
much sense as emulating an op amp using an ADC, a DAC, and an FPGA, i.e. none.
There are occasion when an ADC plus digital signal processing plus a
DAC do make sense - as soon as you want a non-linear or - worse - a
non-monotonic relationship between input and output. For phase-locked
loops this happens quite often - as Floyd M Gardener pointed out, the
sort of phase-sensitive detector that gives you the best lock doesn't
necessarily get you into lock as fast as you'd like.

The DDS approach comes into its own when you want several sine wave
sources at once - for detecting at twice the frequency or both in-
phase and in quadrature. The analogue techniques for doing this are no
less messy and generally give you a poorer quality sine wave.

You can get inductors in 2% tolerances, and the varactors of course are
variable (and also good to +-5% to 8%), so you don't need tweaks to get
a very respectable linearity improvement.  That means that you can be
more aggressive on the loop compensation, and the improved performance
is worth a lot.

But there's a great deal of manual labour tweaking each example to get
it's particular linearity respectable. Physicists have graduate
students to do that sort of labour. Engineers designing for production
can't afford them.

Not true--read what I wrote above.  Inexpensive close-tolerance inductors do just
fine.
Inexpensive close tolerance varactors don't seem to be as readily
available. And the tuning range available is rarely impressive.

Varactors have a roughly hyperbolic capacitance to voltage
relationship, so getting the tuning loop critically damped isn't going
to be all that easy.

How are you liking being back in OZ?  Run into Phil A. yet?
Phil Allison does live in Sydney, but I don't expect to run into him -
I did suggest (here) that we get together over a coffee a few years
ago but he didn't like the idea.

Oz has been fine so far, but we're not yet entirely out of jet-lag.
We've been keeping a low profile. I did apply for two jobs yesterday,
but that was more to get my name on the books than in any expectation
that I'd get anything. My wife wants to buy a car today, which is
going to take a while.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
 

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