EAGLE Netlist conversion

Jim Thompson · Mar 12, 2006

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:24:53 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs
<roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:42:23 GMT, "ian.field1"
ian.field1@ntlworld.com> Gave us:

[snip]

Apparently bovine farts are a myth - cows have more than one gut and the
gasses reverse course rather than completing the journey to the back end!

Cows flatulate. Not a myth. Where do the gasses created from the
digestion of several kilos of food go? You must be getting a clue.
It doesn't go into making the steaks taste better.

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Jim Thompson · Mar 12, 2006

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:23:12 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs
<roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:40:52 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> Gave us:

[snip]

And where does that blue haze come from?

...Jim Thompson

Did you run scandisk on those drives?

If so, is the problem persisting?

Replaced PSU, no change other than "floppy presence check" was louder,
so I left it in.

Changed RAM. Fixed MOST of the problems.

BUT! I still have a weirdness. I can "see" other machines on the
network and they can "see" me. But any attempt to copy across the
network to/from "bad" machine causes it to reboot.

So I still have an issue.

Other symptoms:

"Searching" the drive causes it to lock up.

But I can surf the internet.

OS is Win2K... where is "scandisk" hidden away? I can't find anything
by that name.

Thanks!

...Jim Thompson
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Roy L. Fuchs · Mar 13, 2006

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:49:51 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> Gave us:

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:23:12 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs
roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:40:52 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> Gave us:

[snip]

And where does that blue haze come from?

...Jim Thompson

Did you run scandisk on those drives?

If so, is the problem persisting?

Replaced PSU, no change other than "floppy presence check" was louder,
so I left it in.

Changed RAM. Fixed MOST of the problems.

BUT! I still have a weirdness. I can "see" other machines on the
network and they can "see" me. But any attempt to copy across the
network to/from "bad" machine causes it to reboot.

So I still have an issue.

Other symptoms:

"Searching" the drive causes it to lock up.

But I can surf the internet.

OS is Win2K... where is "scandisk" hidden away? I can't find anything
by that name.

Thanks!

...Jim Thompson

In file explorer. Right click on any volume and choose
"Properties", then "tools", then "check now".

As far as the network issue, On Win2K you have to have those that
would share your files be a user on your system.

One way to rule out the OS is to DL a copy of Knoppix Live CD from
kernel.org mirror (typically the fastest in the US).

Boot that, it has a comprehensive system test and detection routine.
If there is a memory issue, it WILL find it.

Once in the os, you can run the SMB share server it includes and make
whichever HD volume you want available to the other machines on your
network. Attempt the file pass again, and if their is no failure,
Windows is your likely culprit.

The Knoppix live CD places NO files on your hard drives, and is
considered the best diagnostic tool for PCs there is.

It will also be fun for you to investigate the Linux OS in this
manner without actually having to know anything about it.

Just some info queries:

What Video resolution do you run the system in question at?

Also from within windows:

In the info dialog page (right clic my comp, select properties,
advanced, performance options, change) (after done examining select
cancel cancel cancel).

It will show you what your current registry size is as well as the max
registry size. It also shows you what your swap file size is,and on
which volume(s) it is located. That should be at least one Gig. If
you change the swap file size, disregard the cancel cancel cancel
notation. If ther reg size is fairly close to the max setting, you
should adjust that higher too. Mine is set to 54MB and my current
registry is only 28MB.

Leave about at least ten MB over the "current size".

Jim Thompson · Mar 13, 2006

On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 00:20:43 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs
<roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 16:49:51 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> Gave us:

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:23:12 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs
roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:40:52 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> Gave us:

[snip]

And where does that blue haze come from?

...Jim Thompson

Did you run scandisk on those drives?

If so, is the problem persisting?

Replaced PSU, no change other than "floppy presence check" was louder,
so I left it in.

Changed RAM. Fixed MOST of the problems.

BUT! I still have a weirdness. I can "see" other machines on the
network and they can "see" me. But any attempt to copy across the
network to/from "bad" machine causes it to reboot.

So I still have an issue.

Other symptoms:

"Searching" the drive causes it to lock up.

But I can surf the internet.

OS is Win2K... where is "scandisk" hidden away? I can't find anything
by that name.

Thanks!

...Jim Thompson

In file explorer. Right click on any volume and choose
"Properties", then "tools", then "check now".

As far as the network issue, On Win2K you have to have those that
would share your files be a user on your system.

One way to rule out the OS is to DL a copy of Knoppix Live CD from
kernel.org mirror (typically the fastest in the US).

Boot that, it has a comprehensive system test and detection routine.
If there is a memory issue, it WILL find it.

Once in the os, you can run the SMB share server it includes and make
whichever HD volume you want available to the other machines on your
network. Attempt the file pass again, and if their is no failure,
Windows is your likely culprit.

The Knoppix live CD places NO files on your hard drives, and is
considered the best diagnostic tool for PCs there is.

It will also be fun for you to investigate the Linux OS in this
manner without actually having to know anything about it.

Just some info queries:

What Video resolution do you run the system in question at?

1024x768

Also from within windows:

In the info dialog page (right clic my comp, select properties,
advanced, performance options, change) (after done examining select
cancel cancel cancel).

It will show you what your current registry size is as well as the max
registry size. It also shows you what your swap file size is,and on
which volume(s) it is located. That should be at least one Gig. If
you change the swap file size, disregard the cancel cancel cancel
notation. If ther reg size is fairly close to the max setting, you
should adjust that higher too. Mine is set to 54MB and my current
registry is only 28MB.

Leave about at least ten MB over the "current size".

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John Larkin · Mar 13, 2006

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:41:37 -0800, "Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com>
wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
news:n7t8121imo4o68knkmtbv7a77g5esui68e@4ax.com...
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:24:47 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs
roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 21:54:36 -0600, "Tim Williams"
tmoranwms@charter.net> Gave us:

"ian.field1" <ian.field1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:imIQf.271$aA6.94@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
While pollution is significant - so is the smoke, ash and minerals
blown into the air by volcanic eruptions. Not to mention the fact that
some
scientists claim that grazing animals produce nearly as much
greenhouse
gas
as vehicles - and not to be outdone, one natural world documentary
claimed
that termites are even worse!!! Who the hell do you believe these
days?!

Don't forget that all plants produce methane. That was a recent Nature
article (12 Jan '06). They said it accounts for potentially 10-20% of
atmospheric methane.

Plants produce OXYGEN. Decaying, DEAD plants produce methane. We
refer to our dead plant piles as compost heaps or piles.

Sheesh.

No, there have been recent studied that show that living plants
release sizable amounts of methane too. It's been known for ages that
plants release hydrocarbons, which is why we have the "Smokey
Mountains."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4604332.stm

Ronald Reagan was right about a lot of stuff.

Was he right when he said "Approximately 80 percent of our air pollution
stems from hydrocarbons released by vegetation."?

http://www.water.az.gov/NewsArchive/trees031703.htm

"The world's trees, shrubs and other plants do produce massive amounts
of hydrocarbons - nine times as much as do vehicles, by some counts."

Maybe he was being, um, conservative.

John

Jim Thompson · Mar 13, 2006

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:45:30 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 00:20:43 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs
roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote:

[snip]

One way to rule out the OS is to DL a copy of Knoppix Live CD from
kernel.org mirror (typically the fastest in the US).

Boot that, it has a comprehensive system test and detection routine.
If there is a memory issue, it WILL find it.

[snip]

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James T. White · Mar 13, 2006

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote
in message news:jic91211248ktkpuih1mnviqd2klcvnpnp@4ax.com

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:23:12 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs
roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:40:52 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> Gave us:

[snip]

And where does that blue haze come from?

...Jim Thompson

Did you run scandisk on those drives?

If so, is the problem persisting?

Replaced PSU, no change other than "floppy presence check" was louder,
so I left it in.

Changed RAM. Fixed MOST of the problems.

BUT! I still have a weirdness. I can "see" other machines on the
network and they can "see" me. But any attempt to copy across the
network to/from "bad" machine causes it to reboot.

So I still have an issue.

Other symptoms:

"Searching" the drive causes it to lock up.

But I can surf the internet.

OS is Win2K... where is "scandisk" hidden away? I can't find anything
by that name.

Jim,

Have you tried swapping the network card? I have seen fnetwork cards go
flakey and cause hang-ups and re-boots like you describe.

--
James T. White

James T. White · Mar 13, 2006

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote
in message news:3g1b12pjcrc085f7vufq980fo21kdmg2k6@4ax.com

I'm wondering that myself.

BUT, this is a cheapy on-mother-board network adapter :-(

Jim,

You can usually disable an on-board peripheral like the network adapter
through the BIOS and then install a plug-in card. I keep a cheap PCI
network card on hand just in case one of my integrated one goes south.

--
James T. White

Roy L. Fuchs · Mar 13, 2006

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:45:30 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> Gave us:

What Video resolution do you run the system in question at?

1024x768

When and if you do try the Knoppix Live CD, the startup command line
will be.

knoppix screen=1024x768

You can watch the startup and auto detect procedure. If there is a
hardware problem it will likely stick at that point, and after a
timeout period, show the failure... or just freeze.

David Harmon · Mar 13, 2006

On 9 Mar 2006 07:24:43 -0800 in sci.electronics.basics, "Ant_Magma"
<vcteo1@gmail.com> wrote,

Guys, i'm now trying to draw the PCB for my Ethernet system.

It's just a simple single layer PCB. What's the simplest program out
there you all would recommend that is easy to pick up and contains a
good size component library?

PCB design software is in the CAD (computer aided design) category,
so this question should be on sci.electronics.cad
When you get there look for Terry Pinnell's encyclopedic review of
what's available. http://www.terrypin.dial.pipex.com/ECADList.html

Never get your PCB software from the company that wants to sell you
boards. It's a scam to get you to design the board using their
"free" software... then when you are done you find out that they are
the only place that will make boards for you. Get your software
from a software company so you can shop around for the boards.

I like Eagle from www.cadsoft.de the free demo version is plenty to
get started with. But it may not be as simple as you hoped.

The Real Andy · Mar 14, 2006

On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:23:22 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs
<roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote:

On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:00:47 +1000, The Real Andy
will_get_back_to_you_on_This@> Gave us:

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 09:23:13 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

Woke up two hours ago to RAIN! It's still coming down nice and
steady!

Hallelujah!

It last rained 142 days ago.

...Jim Thompson

Whats rain?

(South East Queensland here).

That's that stuff you guys see falling every now and then, but you
never see it make it to the ground. :-]

What is your annual rainfall down there.

Dpends where you go. Coastal areas have had a wee bit lately. Inland
from the ranges have had next to nothing.

Joerg · Mar 21, 2006

Hello Mike,

Anyway, I should never use google until all the dishes are washed and
everything is put away. ...

Think about investing in a dishwasher. It's them big boxes that hiss and
whoosh and clang and buzz

SCNR, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Ouroboros Rex · Jun 15, 2009

Jim Thompson wrote:

Wait till Obama gets wind of this kind of law...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8099416.stm

"...they will charge Mr Le with Article 88 of the Vietnam's Criminal
Code for distributing anti-government materials...

Mr Le was arrested by security police for "colluding with domestic and
foreign reactionaries to sabotage the Vietnamese state" by publishing
documents distorting the country's socio-economic policies, a senior
security official said."

Actually, folks with that sort of stuff around here tend to simultaneously
develop other, more pressing legal problems, see article at end. With the
bought and paid for republican lie media whining about revolution so that we
have right wing nuts killing people every other week all of a sudden, this
might be a salient subject after all. =)

...Jim Thompson
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Leftist weenies think that Letterman is hilarious with a degrading
"joke" about Palin's teenaged daughters.

Made-up crap.

Wonder how funny they'd

find it if Letterman said something like, "Michelle Obama has a
big butt and a face to match" ???

Dunno, got a young daughter we can call a dog on TV? lol

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"Inside the home and storage facilities of William Krar, investigators
found a sodium-cyanide bomb capable of killing thousands, more than a
hundred explosives, half a million rounds of ammunition, dozens of
illegal weapons, and a mound of white-supremacist and antigovernment
literature...."

"There is no value for the Bush administration to highlighting
domestic terrorism right now," says Robert Jensen, a journalism
professor at the University of Texas in Austin.

"But there are significant political benefits to highlighting foreign
terrorists, especially when trying to whip up support for war."

Mr. Levitas goes even further:

"The government has a severe case of tunnel vision when it comes to
domestic terrorism. I have no doubt whatsoever that had Krar and his
compatriots been Arab-Americans or linked to some violent Islamic
fundamentalist group, we would have heard from John Ashcroft himself."

From The Christian Science Monitor, 12/29/03:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1229/p02s01-usju.html

The terror threat at home, often overlooked

As the media focus on international terror, a Texan pleads guilty to
possessing a weapon of mass destruction.

By Kris Axtman | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

HOUSTON --

It began as a misdelivered envelope and developed into the most
extensive domestic terrorism investigation since the Oklahoma City
bombing.

Last month, an east Texas man pleaded guilty to possession of a weapon
of mass destruction.

Inside the home and storage facilities of William Krar, investigators
found a sodium-cyanide bomb capable of killing thousands, more than a
hundred explosives, half a million rounds of ammunition, dozens of
illegal weapons, and a mound of white-supremacist and antigovernment
literature.

"Without question, it ranks at the very top of all domestic terrorist
arrests in the past 20 years in terms of the lethality of the
arsenal," says Daniel Levitas, author of "The Terrorist Next Door: The
Militia Movement and the Radical Right."

But outside Tyler, Texas, the case is almost unknown.

In the past nine months, there have been two government press releases
and a handful of local stories, but no press conference and no
coverage in the national newspapers.

Experts say the case highlights the increased cooperation and quicker
response by US agencies since Sept. 11.

But others say it points up just how political the terror war is.

"There is no value for the Bush administration to highlighting
domestic terrorism right now," says Robert Jensen, a journalism
professor at the University of Texas in Austin.

"But there are significant political benefits to highlighting foreign
terrorists, especially when trying to whip up support for war."

Mr. Levitas goes even further:

"The government has a severe case of tunnel vision when it comes to
domestic terrorism. I have no doubt whatsoever that had Krar and his
compatriots been Arab-Americans or linked to some violent Islamic
fundamentalist group, we would have heard from John Ashcroft himself."

The case began in the fall of 2002 when a package bound for New Jersey
was misdelivered to a New York address.

The family inadvertently opened the package and found fake
identification badges, including Department of Defense and United
Nations IDs.

The FBI eventually tracked the package back to Mr. Krar in Noonday,
Texas.

The cache of weapons and bombs was found when the FBI served a search
warrant in April of this year.

Krar and his common-law wife, Judith Bruey, and the receiver of the
package, New Jersey Militia member Edward Feltus, were arrested.

All three have pleaded guilty to separate counts and are awaiting
sentencing.

Brit Featherston, the assistant US attorney in charge of the case,
says it was Krar and Ms. Bruey's connections to white-supremacist
groups that prompted further investigation.

"Any little town has worse criminals on paper than these two. But
because of their background, the red flags were flying all over the
place - especially after Sept. 11," says Mr. Featherston, in the
eastern district of Texas.

Before Sept. 11, he says, the case most likely would have been worked
as a false-ID case and ended there.

Instead, dozens of law-enforcement agencies were involved and hundreds
of subpoenas were served.

"This case was very high priority," says Featherston.

Still, investigators have been unable to answer questions such as:

Where was the sodium-cyanide bomb destined?

And were the weapons being prepared for a group or sold individually?

Featherston says the investigation is ongoing and won't end until
these questions are answered.

Experts say the case is important not only because of what it says
about increased government cooperation, but also because it shows how
serious a threat the country faces from within.

"The lesson in the Krar case is that we have to always be concerned
about domestic terrorism.

It would be a terrible mistake to believe that terrorism always comes
from outside," says Mark Potok at the Southern Poverty Law Center in
Montgomery, Ala.

The fact is, the number of domestic terrorist acts in the past five
years far outweighs the number of international acts, says Mark
Pitcavage of the fact-finding department at the Anti-Defamation
League.

"We do have home-grown hate in the United States, people who are just
as ill-disposed to the American government as any international
terrorist group," he says.

Levitas estimates that there are approximately 25,000 right-wing
extremist members and activists and some 250,000 sympathizers.

The Southern Poverty Law Center counted 708 hate groups in 2002.

While Mr. Pitcavage was surprised the Krar case did not receive more
attention, "It is a fact that a lot of stories involving domestic
extremists get undercovered," he says.

He points to a case he calls one of "the major terrorist plots of the
1990s" in which militia from around the country converged in central
Texas allegedly to attack a military base.

They were arrested at a campground near Fort Hood on the morning of
July 4, 1997, with a large collection of weapons and explosives.

"There was virtually no media coverage of that incident either," says
Pitcavage.

Featherston speculates that the Krar case got little attention because
the arrests were made just after the war began in Iraq.

"Excuse me, a chemical weapon was found in the home state of George
Bush," says Levitas.

"I'm not saying the Justice Department deliberately decided to
downplay the story because they thought it might be embarrassing to
the US government if weapons of mass destruction were found in America
before they were found in Iraq. But I am saying it was a mistake not
to give this higher profile."

For his part, Krar has remained silent.

He will most likely be sentenced sometime in February, and could
receive up to life in prison.

His attorney, Tonda Curry, says the US government has no reason to be
afraid of him.

"It looks a whole lot worse than it is. He had a lot of things that
most people would never have any desire to have, but much of what he
had was perfectly legal."

Bob Larter · Jun 29, 2009

Jim Thompson wrote:

On 05 Jun 2009 18:26:29 -0400, DJ Delorie <dj@delorie.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> writes:
I need to retain the desired_text.
Ah, I missed that part. Sorry.

Yeah, \1 substitutes for whatever the (...) matched.

I'm learning. I have several cookbooks, but I think I need a good
introductory text.

I highly recommend "Mastering Regular Expressions"
<http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596002893/>

A few free tutorials:
<http://www.zytrax.com/tech/web/regex.htm>
<http://www.regular-expressions.info/tutorial.html>
<http://gnosis.cx/publish/programming/regular_expressions.html>

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flipper · Jun 29, 2009

On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:13:11 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

flipper wrote:

On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:10:06 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

flipper wrote:

Well, I'm not at all happy with the 'young feller' in the Whitehouse
so you're going to have a hard time convincing me that age is 'the
problem'.

He's a different kind of defective. No experience, and no guts.

I've come to realize I'd be near ecstatic, by comparison anyway, if
those were the extent of the 'defects' but while he's likely a 'nice
guy' to go bar hopping with I simply can't abide his irrational
duplicitous rhetoric.

A couple of his comments really pissed me off:

You can server your country. Or be in the military.

Yes, I can see you're interpretation and why that one would.

It smacks of a similar thing Clinton tried that lasted about 15
minutes after it hit print. You see, Clinton 'polled' everything to
see what 'sounded good' but, as is common with liberals, with utter
disregard for what the words actually 'mean'.

His plan was coined "Mandatory Volunteerism" and, as I mentioned, it
was about 15 minutes after making it to print before someone pointed
out that "mandatory" and "volunteer" were mutually exclusive terms.

Positively stunning, though, that no one in the Administration figured
it out before public release but Clinton was an amateur at it compared
to Obama.

The upshot, though, is that you can never tell what the heck a liberal
is saying by listening to the words spoken because they're picked for
'emotional impact' rather than the actual meaning.

Another example, for the blatant, unabashed, clarity of the approach,
is PETA's "Seakitten" campaign. See, people don't have affection for
"fish" but PETA figures they do for cute little 'kittens' so, voile,
fish are no longer fish they are "Seakittens."

Another Obama Administration example is that terrorism is no longer
terrorism but "man made disasters."

Most things require a larger dissertation because they're not simple
'slogans' but virtually everything out of his mouth are irrational,
duplicitous, but 'emotionally pleasing', non-sequiturs.

Science will no longer be driven by politics

Thanks for the example. I mean, seriously, 'politics' is the first and
foremost 'consideration' this Administration gives to ANY thing,
especially, so called, 'science'.

The 'plain English' translation to that 'Obama speak' is that
'science' will no longer be driven by any consideration other than his
(with "consideration other than his" being the 'Obama speak'
definition of 'politics').

Same thing for "bipartisan." In Obama speak "bipartisan" means the
opposition was given an opportunity to hear him speak and agree with
it.

Of course, I'm really working toward a futile end in trying to give
'rational' definitions because, as previously explained, the 'words'
are chosen for emotional appeal so the 'meaning of the moment' wags
all over the place. Polls show that people say they desire bipartisan
cooperation so, voile, that's what we're doing, never mind whether
it's true or not, and the same for "driven by politics."

It's a very simple formula, as long as you have no scruples. Whatever
polls as 'popular' you regurgitate as what you're doing whether
there's any resemblance to it or not.

He is a stumblebum when he isn't in front of a teleprompter. He
should be a reporter for some backwater TV station, because he is so
much like 'Ted Baxter' on the old 'Mary Tyler Moore' TV show. Both make
little sense, without a script in front of them.

I see your point but I think you underestimate his political acumen
which, in his case, consists of eloquent duplicity. His level of
eloquence drops significantly off the teleprompter but not the
duplicity.

Tom Del Rosso · Jun 30, 2009

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

flipper wrote:

Well, I'm not at all happy with the 'young feller' in the Whitehouse
so you're going to have a hard time convincing me that age is 'the
problem'.

He's a different kind of defective. No experience, and no guts.

He has the guts to stand up to our allies.

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Steve Hall · Sep 1, 2009

Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

My Junk E-mail box was crammed this morning.

I'm curious... When leftist weenies get offended, why do they think
they accomplish anything by signing me up to various web nuisances?

Keep in mind...

(1) Most of those business "opportunites" require an acknowledging
E-mail

(2) Only mail sent FROM that mailer on my page reaches my In-box,
anything else using that E-mail address automatically goes to Junk.
It's easy for me to tell a robot from a human _without_ having a need
for an image text entry ;-)

It's called spam, everyone gets it. It's not a left-wing conspiracy

to ruin your morning.

Jim Thompson · Sep 1, 2009

On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 09:14:17 -0300, Steve Hall <shall1@canada.com>
wrote:

Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

My Junk E-mail box was crammed this morning.

I'm curious... When leftist weenies get offended, why do they think
they accomplish anything by signing me up to various web nuisances?

Keep in mind...

(1) Most of those business "opportunites" require an acknowledging
E-mail

(2) Only mail sent FROM that mailer on my page reaches my In-box,
anything else using that E-mail address automatically goes to Junk.
It's easy for me to tell a robot from a human _without_ having a need
for an image text entry ;-)

It's called spam, everyone gets it. It's not a left-wing conspiracy
to ruin your morning.

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Look on the bright side: A special prosecutor to attack the CIA
opens the door for the next administration to prosecute Holder and
Rahm Emanuel...and perhaps Obama himself. Bring it on!!

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Concept of God in islam

It is a known fact that every language has one or more terms that are
used in reference to God and sometimes to lesser deities. This is not
the case with Allah. Allah is the personal name of the One true God.
Nothing else can be called Allah. The term has no plural or gender.
This shows its uniqueness when compared with the word god which can be
made plural, gods, or feminine, goddess. It is interesting to notice
that Allah is the personal name of God in Aramaic, the language of
Jesus and a sister language of Arabic. The One true God is a
reflection of the unique concept that Islam associates with God. To a
Muslim, Allah is the Almighty, Creator and Sustainer of the universe,
Who is similar to nothing and nothing is comparable to Him. The
Prophet Muhammad was asked by his contemporaries about Allah; the
answer came directly from God Himself in the form of a short chapter
of the Quran, which is considered the essence of the unity or the
motto of monotheism. This is chapter 112 which reads:

"In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate. Say (O Muhammad)
He is God the One God, the Everlasting Refuge, who has not begotten,
nor has been begotten, and equal to Him is not anyone."

Some non Muslims allege that God in Islam is a stern and cruel God who
demands to be obeyed fully. He is not loving and kind. Nothing can be
farther from truth than this allegation. It is enough to know that,
with the exception of one, each of the 114 chapters of the Quran
begins with the verse: "In the name of God, the Merciful, the
Compassionate." In one of the sayings of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) we
are told that "God is more loving and kinder than a mother to her dear
child." But God is also Just. Hence evildoers and sinners must have
their share of punishment and the virtuous, His bounties and favors.
Actually Godâs attribute of Mercy has full manifestation in His
attribute of Justice. People suffering throughout their lives for His
sake and people oppressing and exploiting other people all their lives
should not receive similar treatment from their Lord. Expecting
similar treatment for them will amount to negating the very belief in
the accountability of man in the Hereafter and thereby negating all
the incentives for a moral and virtuous life in this world. The
following Quranic verses are very clear and straightforward in this
respect:

"Verily, for the Righteous are gardens of Delight, in the Presence of
their Lord. Shall We then treat the people of Faith like the people of
Sin? What is the matter with you? How judge you?" (68:34-36)

Islam rejects characterizing God in any human form or depicting Him as
favoring certain individuals or nations on the basis of wealth, power
or race. He created the human beings as equals. They may distinguish
themselves and get His favor through virtue and piety only. The
concept that God rested in the seventh day of creation, that God
wrestled with one of His soldiers, that God is an envious plotter
against mankind, or that God is incarnate in any human being are
considered blasphemy from the Islamic point of view. The unique usage
of Allah as a personal name of God is a reflection of Islamâs emphasis
on the purity of the belief in God which is the essence of the message
of all Godâs messengers. Because of this, Islam considers associating
any deity or personality with God as a deadly sin which God will never
forgive, despite the fact He may forgive all other sins.

The Creator must be of a different nature from the things created
because if he is of the same nature as they are, he will be temporal
and will therefore need a maker. It follows that nothing is like Him.
If the maker is not temporal, then he must be eternal. But if he is
eternal, he cannot be caused, and if nothing outside him causes him to
continue to exist, which means that he must be Self-Sufficient. And if
He does not depend on anything for the continuance of His own
existence, then this existence can have no end. The Creator is
therefore eternal and everlasting: âHe is the First and the Last.â He
is Self-Sufficient or Self-Subsistent or, to use a Quranic term, Al-
Qayyum. The Creator does not create only in the sense of bringing
things into being, He also preserves them and takes them out of
existence and is the ultimate cause of whatever happens to them.

"God is the Creator of everything. He is the guardian over everything.
Unto Him belong the keys of the heavens and the earth." (39:62, 63)
"No creature is there crawling on the earth, but its provision rests
on God. He knows its lodging place and its repository." (11:6)

Godâs Attributes

If the Creator is Eternal and Everlasting, then His attributes must
also be eternal and everlasting. He should not lose any of His
attributes nor acquire new ones. If this is so, then His attributes
are absolute. Can there be more than one Creator with such absolute
attributes? Can there be for example, two absolutely powerful
Creators? A momentâs thought shows that this is not feasible. The
Quran summarizes this argument in the following verses:

"God has not taken to Himself any son, nor is there any god with Him:
For then each god would have taken of that which he created and some
of them would have risen up over others." (23:91)

And Why, were there gods in earth and heaven other than God, they
(heaven and earth) would surely go to ruin." (21:22)

The Oneness of God

The Quran reminds us of the falsity of all alleged gods. To the
worshippers of man-made objects, it asks:

"Do you worship what you have carved yourself?" (37:95) "Or have you
taken unto you others beside Him to be your protectors, even such as
have no power either for good or for harm to themselves?" (13:16)

To the worshippers of heavenly bodies it cites the story of Abraham:

"When night outspread over him he say a star and said, âThis is my
Lord.â But when it set he said, âI love not the setters.â When he saw
the moon rising, he said, âThis is my Lord.â But when it set he said,
âIf my Lord does not guide me I shall surely be of the people gone
astray.â When he say the sun rising, he said, âThis is my Lord; this
is greater.â But when it set he said, âO my people, surely I quit that
which you associate, I have turned my face to Him Who originated the
heavens and the earth; a man of pure faith, I am not of the
idolaters.â" (6:76-79)

The Believerâs Attitude

In order to be a Muslim, i.e., to surrender oneself to God, it is
necessary to believe in the oneness of God, in the sense of His being
the only Creator, Preserver, Nourisher, etc. But this belief â later
on called "Tawhid Ar-Rububiyyah is not enough." Many of the idolaters
knew and believed that only the Supreme God could do all this. but
that was not enough to make them Muslims. To tawhid ar-rububiyyah one
must add tawhid alâuluhiyyah, i.e., one acknowledges the fact that is
God alone Who deserves to be worshipped, and thus abstains from
worshipping any other thing or being. Having achieved this knowledge
of the one true God, man should constantly have faith in Him, and
should allow nothing to induce him to deny truth. When faith enters a
personâs heart, it causes certain mental states which result in
certain actions. Taken together these mental states and actions are
the proof for the true faith. The Prophet said,

"Faith is that which resides firmly in the heart and which is proved
by deeds."

Foremost among those mental states is the feeling of gratitude towards
God, which could be said to be the essence of âibadaâ (worship). The
feeling of gratitude is so important that a non-believer is called
âkafir,â which means âone who denies a truthâ and also âone who is
ungrateful.â A believer loves, and is grateful to God for the bounties
He bestowed upon him, but being aware of the fact that his good deeds,
whether mental or physical, are far from being commensurate with
Divine favors, he is always anxious lest God should punish him, here
or in the Hereafter. He, therefore, fears Him, surrenders himself to
Him and serves Him with great humility. One cannot be in such a mental
state without being almost all the time mindful of God. Remembering
God is thus the life force of faith, without which it fades and
withers away. The Quran tries to promote this feeling of gratitude by
repeating the attributes of God very frequently. We find most of these
attributes mentioned together in the following verses of the Quran:

"He is God; there is no god but He, He is the Knower of the unseen and
the visible; He is the All-Merciful, the All-Compassionate. He is God,
there is no God but He. He is the King, the All-Holy, the All-Peace,
the Guardian of Faith, the All-Preserver, the All-Mighty, the All-
Compeller, the All-Sublime. Glory be to God, above that they
associate! He is God the Creator, the Maker, the Shaper. To Him belong
the Names Most Beautiful. All that is in the heavens and the earth
magnifies Him; He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise." (59:22-24)

"There is no god but He, the Living, the Everlasting. Slumber seizes
Him not, neither sleep; to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and
the earth. Who is there that shall intercede with Him save by His
leave? He knows what lies before them and what is after them, and they
comprehend not anything of His knowledge save such as He wills. His
throne comprises the heavens and earth; the preserving of them
oppresses Him not; He is the All-High, the All-Glorious." (2:255)

"People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and
say not as to God but the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was
only the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and
a Spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers, and say not,
âThree.â Refrain; better is it for you. God is only one God.. Glory be
to Him â (He is) above having a son." (4:171)

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