EAGLE Netlist conversion

John Woodgate · Mar 12, 2005

I read in sci.electronics.design that Chuck Harris <cf-NO-SPAM-
harris@erols.com> wrote (in <HLOdnQEFhv7oga7fRVn-3w@rcn.net&gt

about 'OT:
Still cracks me up', on Sat, 12 Mar 2005:

Thanks for sharing John, but I already corrected this typo twice.

Indeed, but you had not, *to my knowledge*, done so when I posted my
article.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

Bob Stephens · Mar 14, 2005

Winfield Hill wrote:

Chuck Harris wrote...

It is impossible to retract anything you post on the usenet. The best
you can do is post a note acknowledging,or correcting the misinformation.
I did that.

No, most of the better news-posting clients let you cancel your post.
If done right away, before here are any replies, the cancel winds its
way through the world of servers and removes the post before it does
much damage. I've cancelled posts a few times when I made a horrible
mistake and realized it soon enough. The cancel seemed to work fine.
BTW, Google lets the original poster cancel a post stored in their
archive, even weeks (and months or years?) later, IIRC.

I had someone email me directly to ak me to retract a reply I had made

to his goof to remove all evidence of the incident. I was happy to do
so, but hadn't been aware that it was possible prior to that.

Bob

Jim Thompson · Mar 17, 2005

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:27:11 -0800, "bg" <bg@nospam.com> wrote:

Win 98 already has "find files" built in. I'm sure the other windows
versions do to.
Start - Find - Files or folders - fill in your search criteria
bg
Jim Thompson wrote in message
89aj311opv4pllpe48d57clko99usm4km0@4ax.com>...
Does there exist a search engine for the PC that allows searching your
hard-drive for files that contain MULTIPLE words, like Google can do
on the web?

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Robert · Mar 18, 2005

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:77rl31d2k8etnd08f3tq5ce84uso6ph38l@4ax.com...

http://www.powergrep.com/
If your not familiar with regex, then ignore this suggestion.

Mark

"GREP" is such an appropriately sounding name ;-)

Actually, Mark, I use REGEX from within UltraEdit to auto-edit HSpice
models to PSpice format, so I'll give it a look-see.

Thanks!

...Jim Thompson

Woody Lenord has an $9.95 ebook on the topic of desktop searching tools.

At http://shop.woodyswatch.com/dsh/

He mentions ones that are out there free as:
Google desktop
http://desktop.google.com/

Copernic Desktop
http://www.copernic.com/en/products/desktop-search/

MSN desktop
http://toolbar.msn.com/tour_suite/pc.aspx

Lookout
But this seems to just search MS Outlook email files
http://www.lookoutsoft.com/Lookout/download.html

Yahoo Search
http://desktop.yahoo.com/

Robert

Jim Thompson · Mar 18, 2005

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:32:32 -0500, pH <high@cidity.level> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:02:15 -0700, Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com
wrote:

Does there exist a search engine for the PC that allows searching your
hard-drive for files that contain MULTIPLE words, like Google can do
on the web?

...Jim Thompson

Check http://www.mythicsoft.com
I've used Agent Ransack for years, with much satisfaction.

Jeff

http://www.jefftturner.com

480)460-2350 | |
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Jim Thompson · Mar 28, 2005

480)460-2350 | |
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Winfield Hill · Mar 28, 2005

Jim Thompson wrote...

Win, I've misplaced (or trashed) my copy of all those 2N7000 models.

I'll post them below.
Did you see my post this am, Message-ID: <d296a701865@drn.newsguy.com>

----

Here're the 2n7000 models you posted, here on s.e.d., IIRC.
I had to modify some of them to run on Intusoft's spice.

Anasoft-1:

..SUBCKT 2N7000/PLP_XN _ssi_pin0_1 _ssi_pin1_2 _ssi_pin2_3
Cgs 2 3 12.3E-12
V_ssi_pin2 _ssi_pin2_3 3 0
V_ssi_pin1 _ssi_pin1_2 2 0
V_ssi_pin0 _ssi_pin0_1 1 0
Cgd1 2 4 27.4E-12
Cgd2 1 4 6E-12
M1 1 2 3 3 MOST1
M2 4 2 1 3 MOST2
D1 3 1 Dbody
..MODEL MOST1 NMOS(Level=3 Kp=20.78u W=9.7m L=2u Rs=20m Vto=2 Rd=1.186)
..MODEL MOST2 NMOS(VTO=-4.73 Kp=20.78u W=9.7m L=2u Rs=20m)
..MODEL Dbody D(Is=125f N=1.023 Rs=1.281 Ikf=18.01 Cjo=46.3p M=.3423
+ Vj=.4519 Bv=60 Ibv=10u Tt=161.6n)
..ENDS

Anasoft-2:

..SUBCKT 2N7000_XN _ssi_pin0_3 _ssi_pin1_4 _ssi_pin2_5
* Nodes D G S
V_ssi_pin2 _ssi_pin2_5 5 0
V_ssi_pin1 _ssi_pin1_4 4 0
V_ssi_pin0 _ssi_pin0_3 3 0
M1 3 2 5 5 MOD1
RG 4 2 343
RL 3 5 6E6
C1 2 5 23.5P
C2 3 2 4.5P
D1 5 3 DIODE1
*
..MODEL MOD1 NMOS VTO=2.474 RS=1.68 RD=0.0 IS=1E-15 KP=0.296
+CBD=53.5P PB=1 LAMBDA=267E-6
..MODEL DIODE1 D IS=1.254E-13 N=1.0207 RS=0.222
..END 2N7000

Supertex

..MODEL 2N7000 NMOS (LEVEL=3 RS=0.205 NSUB=1.0E15
+DELTA=0.1 KAPPA=0.0506 TPG=1 CGDO=3.1716E-9
+RD=0.239 VTO=1.000 VMAX=1.0E7 ETA=0.0223089
+NFS=6.6E10 TOX=1.0E-7 LD=1.698E-9 UO=862.425
+XJ=6.4666E-7 THETA=1.0E-5 CGSO=9.09E-9 L=2.5E-6
+W=0.8E-2)
..ENDS

Philips:

..SUBCKT 2N7000/PLP 1 2 3
Cgs 2 3 12.3E-12
Cgd1 2 4 27.4E-12
Cgd2 1 4 6E-12
M1 1 2 3 3 MOST1
M2 4 2 1 3 MOST2
D1 3 1 Dbody
..MODEL MOST1 NMOS(Level=3 Kp=20.78u W=9.7m L=2u Rs=20m Vto=2 Rd=1.186)
..MODEL MOST2 NMOS(VTO=-4.73 Kp=20.78u W=9.7m L=2u Rs=20m)
..MODEL Dbody D(Is=125f N=1.023 Rs=1.281 Ikf=18.01 Cjo=46.3p M=.3423
+ Vj=.4519 Bv=60 Ibv=10u Tt=161.6n)
..ENDS

Ancient MicroSim:

..model M2n7000 NMOS(Level=3 Gamma=0 Delta=0 Eta=0 Theta=0 Kappa=0.2
+ Vmax=0 Xj=0 Tox=2u Uo=600 Phi=.6 Kp=1.073u W=.12 L=2u Rs=20m
+ Vto=1.73 Rd=.5489 Rds=48MEG Cgso=73.61p Cgdo=6.487p Cbd=74.46p Mj=.5
+ Pb=.8 Fc=.5 Rg=546.2 Is=10f N=1 Rb=1m)

Zetex:

..SUBCKT M2N7000/ZTX 3 4 5
* Nodes D G S
M1 3 2 5 5 MOD1
RG 4 2 343
RL 3 5 6E6
D1 5 3 DIODE1
..MODEL MOD1 NMOS VTO=2.474 RS=1.68 RD=0.0 IS=1E-15 KP=0.296
+CGSO=23.5P CGDO=4.5P CBD=53.5P PB=1 LAMBDA=267E-6
..MODEL DIODE1 D IS=1.254E-13 N=1.0207 RS=0.222
..ENDS

---------

I've found two others, from Motorola originally I think.

..MODEL MN7000 NMOS (LEVEL=1 VTO=2.4 KP=.17 GAMMA=1.76U
+ PHI=.75 LAMBDA=1.25M RD=.35 RS=.448 IS=41.6F PB=.8 MJ=.46
+ CBD=44.4P CBS=53.3P CGSO=24N CGDO=20N CGBO=116N)
* -- Assumes default L=100U W=100U --
* 60 Volt .2 Amp 2.5 ohm Enh-Mode N-Channel MOS-FET 11-19-1990

..MODEL 2N7002LT1 NMOS LEVEL=1 AF=1E-26 CBD=0 CBS=0 CGBO=0
+ CGDO=0 CGSO=0 FC=0.5 GAMMA=3 KF=1.2 KP=0.104475 LAMBDA=0
+ LD=0 MJ=0.5 PB=0.75 PHI=0.554054 RD=0.593226 RS=0.593226
+ VTO=1.92518

--
Thanks,
- Win

John Fields · Apr 30, 2005

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:53:42 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:

John Fields wrote:
On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 06:42:45 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

Aha! I think that will work. I'm thinking that, since I'm producing
SSB, I only need to _know_ the 1.1GHz and 137.5MHz phase, and flip
ONLY the 137.5MHz accordingly, to get a known sum or difference (high
or low sideband).

In case anyone is pondering... I, the Great God of Analog, made a
blooper...

Designed a chip, everything works perfectly, except... on power-up,
it's random as to which side band it's on :-(

However, since there's already a switch in the logic to pick low or
high sideband, I'll just add Chris' D-flop and then some logic to the
switch path.

---
So,

"This is on an ASIC, so I must DESIGN the circuit,NOT buy something
off-the-shelf which consumes more power than this whole WiFi chip."

should really have read more like:

"This is on an ASIC, and I don't know how to DESIGN the circuit, so
any FREE help would be appreciated."

Plus the elementary nature of the question makes it more appropriate for
s.e.b...

---
Now _that's_ funny!!!

LOL, thanks

--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

Tim Shoppa · May 3, 2005

This is on an ASIC, so I must DESIGN the circuit

If you have access to the guts of the T-flop cells, you can initialize
them to your desired phasing just by injecting the right currents on
the bases at power-up initialization.

In MSI TTL I used to see a similar trick done, but since the guts of
the cells were not available it used a significantly ruder method of
pulling the outputs to the desired "zero" states at power up through
some NPN transistors. Different manufacturer's chips responded
differently to this "initialization", of course some let their smoke
out

.

Tim.

JeffM · May 27, 2005

Try a UML editor such as ArgoUML
Mick Sharpe

Posting your (otherwise apt) response individually to multiple groups
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_frm/thread/6e237cde14959cf6/79030c2395239382
seems like an odd way to do things.

JeffM · May 29, 2005

Posting...to multiple groups
JeffM

got into a bit of a frazzle when I realised my mistake.
[I'll] get the hang of news groups eventually :-D
Mick Sharpe

I've seen some really dim bulbs grok Usenet and Outbreak Express.
I have confidence that you will get it.
Illegitimis Non Carborundum.

Jun 8, 2005

1) Matlab

Excels at matrix-based numerical computation. Will crunch through
large data sets easily. Lots of specialized toolboxes (cost extra
unfortunately) for things like signal processing, financial operations,
neural networks, etc. They've integrated Maple's symbolic computation
abilities as a separate toolbox so you can (kinda) do symbolic
integration, etc. as well as numerical computation, but the latter is
really where it excels. Matlab has several clones (Scilab, Octave being
the ones that come to mind first...both are Open Source) but IMHO
Matlab is superior enough to actually be worth purchasing.

2) Mathematica

Excels at symbolic computation. Steep learning curve. Others can
fill in more details.

3) MathCad

Dreck.

Does symbolic computation like Mathematica, but not nearly as well
nor as extensively. Does numeric computation like Matlab, but not
nearly as well (just try importing a 50000-element vector from a text
file...I dare you) nor as extensively.

Mostly, it's a toy meant for educational use (which it is suitable
for...mostly, though it tends to make students lazy such that they will
fire up MathCad to solve a linear equation in 1 unknown...pathetic).

The user interface will drive you nuts.

Evgenii Rudnyi · Jun 8, 2005

Jim Thompson wrote:

Clients are starting to shovel data at me in
Matlab/Mathematica/Mathcad formats.

Can some regular users guide me in choosing which to purchase?

Thanks!

Well, tastes differ. Below there are some my observations about
Mathematica.

I have been working with Mathematica for the last 5 years and I like
it.

1) Fast symbolic calculation and since Mathematica 5.0 fast numerics as
well. Now numerical linear algebra is done with the same speed as in
Matlab.

2) A very consistent functional programming language. I should say that
functional programming is very important feature for scientific
computing.

3) A nice working environment. A project is a single file, so called a
notebook. You can even find books written within Mathematica.

4) webMathematica gives you a smooth transition to the Web.

We have a collection of functions in Mathematica related to MEMS
simulation, you may have a look

http://www.imtek.uni-freiburg.de/simulation/mathematica/IMSweb/

If to speak about free tools, I think Python is not bad. There are many
add-ons to Python for scientific computing now.

Best wishes,

Evgenii Rudnyi
--
http://Evgenii.Rudnyi.Ru/

JeffM · Jun 10, 2005

Some time ago terry harris posted his neat little program Rescad.exe,
that finds pairs either paralleled or in series
together with the deviation etc.
Only 150k, I have it here on my desktop.
I searched and it seems no more available,
but if anyone drops me a mail ...
Ban

I hope I never get THAT old that my search skills fail me, ;-)
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/browse_frm/thread/c9524c2df623d39c/1a72b4cb6e34d94b?q=Rescad.exe+http-www-armory-com-rstevew-Public-Software

RSW has it on his site.
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public/Software/

Mac · Dec 13, 2005

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:28:39 +0100, Frank Bemelman wrote:

"Frithiof Andreas Jensen" <frithiof.jensen@die_spammer_die.ericsson.com
schreef in bericht news:dnjj1c$jpc$1@news.al.sw.ericsson.se...

"Genome" <ilike_spam@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Oz3nf.3244$n95.905@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
You have already mixed up the ingredients... including the yeast.

I find that mixing 5 gram yeast with 100 gram flour and about 50-100 gram
water - it should be a sticky, stringy mess when mixed but not stick to
the
bowl - and leaving that to ferment for 6 hours (or 24 hours in the fridge)
before adding it to the rest of the dough makes the bread much fluffier
and
nicer.

I find that the bread from the local bakery here is 1000x better
than what you can achieve at home. A 5-minute 'how to bake bread'
tutorial is not the same as years and years of experience...

Also, supermarket flour isn't very good quality.

I sometimes grind my own flour from wheat berries and make whole-wheat
sourdough. Similar artisan loaves are slightly better, but seem to cost 5
or 6 dollars for a two-pound loaf. Also, even the artisans put stuff in
the bread I don't want: unbleached white flour, sugar/honey/molasses, and
wheat gluten.

My bread is sourdough starter, water, salt, and whole-wheat flour. The
starter is just whole-wheat flour, water and microorganisms.

--Mac

John Larkin · Dec 13, 2005

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 21:27:18 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

Gold leaf is made sort of the same way. A little blob of gold is
sandwiched between folded leather sheets and hammered until it's not
many atoms thick.

John

Then they put in on your dessert.

Gold leaf on Bananas Foster? I'll have to try that.

John

Jim Douglas · Dec 30, 2005

Your right in a public place with only that application the unix brand
shines, but what about the other 80% of software in the world that is not
supported in unix?

"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
news:McqdnaSW2dJ9_EjcRVn-iQ@rcn.net...

Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover" wrote:

A guy I know does volunteer work with the Boy Scouts during the summer.
One night he let the 'boy scouts' use his computer and the next day, his
email had 206 spams, almost all of them porn.

Makes you seriously consider unplugging the kids, not the computer.

:-(

At work, I had to clean over a hundred adwares off of this one good
lookin' woman's PC, and I told her afterwards she had to stop being so
promsicuous with her PC. ;-)

And yet, you keep using 'doze. Howard County Public Libraries got tired
of having to reboot the public access internet machines several times
a day, and of having to continually remove virii, and other malware.

They converted all of the public access internet machines to linux 2 years
ago, and they haven't had a problem since. Makes one wonder when y'all
are going to get tired of cleaning up the raw sewage that leaks through
the holes in your operating system, and try something new and clean.

-Chuck

Roy L. Fuchs · Mar 12, 2006

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 11:27:08 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> Gave us:

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:24:47 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs
roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 21:54:36 -0600, "Tim Williams"
tmoranwms@charter.net> Gave us:

"ian.field1" <ian.field1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:imIQf.271$aA6.94@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
While pollution is significant - so is the smoke, ash and minerals
blown into the air by volcanic eruptions. Not to mention the fact that
some
scientists claim that grazing animals produce nearly as much greenhouse
gas
as vehicles - and not to be outdone, one natural world documentary claimed
that termites are even worse!!! Who the hell do you believe these days?!

Don't forget that all plants produce methane. That was a recent Nature
article (12 Jan '06). They said it accounts for potentially 10-20% of
atmospheric methane.

Plants produce OXYGEN. Decaying, DEAD plants produce methane. We
refer to our dead plant piles as compost heaps or piles.

Sheesh.

No, there have been recent studied that show that living plants
release sizable amounts of methane too. It's been known for ages that
plants release hydrocarbons, which is why we have the "Smokey
Mountains."

Uhh.. Dude... that is water vapor! Most folks call it FOG. It is
related to dewpoint. I am from the Smokies and there is no fog due to
hydrocarbon release there. It's friggin water vapor... You know...
LOW LYING CLOUD.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4604332.stm

Ronald Reagan was right about a lot of stuff.

He was also wrong about a lot of "stuff".

ian.field1 · Mar 12, 2006

"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
news:v78912t1flrg76mtocul5iafnc1mvdsnmc@4ax.com...

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:41:37 -0800, "Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com
Gave us:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
message
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On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:24:47 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs
roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 21:54:36 -0600, "Tim Williams"
tmoranwms@charter.net> Gave us:

"ian.field1" <ian.field1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:imIQf.271$aA6.94@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
While pollution is significant - so is the smoke, ash and minerals
blown into the air by volcanic eruptions. Not to mention the fact
that
some
scientists claim that grazing animals produce nearly as much
greenhouse
gas
as vehicles - and not to be outdone, one natural world documentary
claimed
that termites are even worse!!! Who the hell do you believe these
days?!

Don't forget that all plants produce methane. That was a recent
Nature
article (12 Jan '06). They said it accounts for potentially 10-20%
of
atmospheric methane.

Plants produce OXYGEN. Decaying, DEAD plants produce methane. We
refer to our dead plant piles as compost heaps or piles.

Sheesh.

No, there have been recent studied that show that living plants
release sizable amounts of methane too. It's been known for ages that
plants release hydrocarbons, which is why we have the "Smokey
Mountains."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4604332.stm

Ronald Reagan was right about a lot of stuff.

Was he right when he said "Approximately 80 percent of our air pollution
stems from hydrocarbons released by vegetation."?

Bovine flatulence and subterranean fossil decay is likely a bigger
culprit.

Apparently bovine farts are a myth - cows have more than one gut and the
gasses reverse course rather than completing the journey to the back end!

Roy L. Fuchs · Mar 12, 2006

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 22:42:23 GMT, "ian.field1"
<ian.field1@ntlworld.com> Gave us:

"Roy L. Fuchs" <roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote in message
news:v78912t1flrg76mtocul5iafnc1mvdsnmc@4ax.com...
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:41:37 -0800, "Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com
Gave us:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
message
news:n7t8121imo4o68knkmtbv7a77g5esui68e@4ax.com...
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 08:24:47 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs
roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 21:54:36 -0600, "Tim Williams"
tmoranwms@charter.net> Gave us:

"ian.field1" <ian.field1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:imIQf.271$aA6.94@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
While pollution is significant - so is the smoke, ash and minerals
blown into the air by volcanic eruptions. Not to mention the fact
that
some
scientists claim that grazing animals produce nearly as much
greenhouse
gas
as vehicles - and not to be outdone, one natural world documentary
claimed
that termites are even worse!!! Who the hell do you believe these
days?!

Don't forget that all plants produce methane. That was a recent
Nature
article (12 Jan '06). They said it accounts for potentially 10-20%
of
atmospheric methane.

Plants produce OXYGEN. Decaying, DEAD plants produce methane. We
refer to our dead plant piles as compost heaps or piles.

Sheesh.

No, there have been recent studied that show that living plants
release sizable amounts of methane too. It's been known for ages that
plants release hydrocarbons, which is why we have the "Smokey
Mountains."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4604332.stm

Ronald Reagan was right about a lot of stuff.

Was he right when he said "Approximately 80 percent of our air pollution
stems from hydrocarbons released by vegetation."?

Bovine flatulence and subterranean fossil decay is likely a bigger
culprit.

Apparently bovine farts are a myth - cows have more than one gut and the
gasses reverse course rather than completing the journey to the back end!

Cows flatulate. Not a myth. Where do the gasses created from the

digestion of several kilos of food go? You must be getting a clue.
It doesn't go into making the steaks taste better.

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