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The Judicial System in Islam : Its Legal Basis and Islam Rulingmasjed

By The Editorial Team of Dr. Abdurrahman al-Muala (translated by
islamtoday.com)

Defining the Judicial System and its Legal basis

The judicial system in Islam is a system for deciding between people
in litigation with the aim of settling their disputes in accordance
with the injunctions of the Divine Law, injunctions that are taken
from the Quran and Sunnah.

All of the Messengers of God (may God praise them all) acted as
judges. God says:

“And remember David and Solomon, when they gave judgment concerning
the field when people’s sheep had browsed therein at night, and We
were witness to their judgment. And We made Solomon to understand the
case. And to each of them We gave good judgment and knowledge.” (Quran
21:78-79)
God also says:

“O David, verily we have placed you as a successor on Earth, so judge
between people in truth, and do not follow your desires for it will
mislead you from the path of God. Verily, those who stray from the
path of God have a severe punishment because they forgot the day of
reckoning.” (Quran 38:26)

Prophet Muhammad, who came with the final and eternal Message, was
ordered by God to pass judgment in disputes just as he was ordered to
spread the word of God and call people to Islam. This is mentioned in
the Quran in a number of places. God says, for instance:

“So judge (O Muhammad) between them by what God has revealed and do
not follow their vain desires, but beware of them lest they turn you
away from some of what God has sent down to you.” (Quran 5:49)

God also says:

“…And if you judge (O Muhammad), judge between them with justice.
Verily, God loves those who act justly.” (Quran 5:42)

And He says:

“But no, by your Lord, they shall have no faith until they make you (O
Muhammad) judge in all their disputes and find in themselves no
resistance against your decisions and accept them with full
submission.” (Quran 4:65)

The Sunnah also provides for the legal basis of the Islamic judicial
system. It is related by Amr b. al-Aas that the Prophet said:

“If a judge gives a judgment using his best judgment and is correct,
then he receives a double reward (from God). If he uses his best
judgment but makes a mistake, then he receives a single
reward.” (Ahmed)

God’s Messenger said:

“You should not wish to be like other people, except in two cases: a
man who God has given wealth and he spends it on Truth and another who
God has granted wisdom and he gives verdicts on its basis and teaches
others.” (Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Saheeh Muslim)

Many scholars have related to us that there is consensus among Muslims
on the legal status of the judicial system in Islam. Ibn Qudamah says:

“The Muslims are unanimously agreed that a judicial system must be
established for the people.”
The Islamic Ruling Concerning the Judiciary

The jurists agree that the duties of the judge are an obligation that
must be carried out by society. If some members of society carry out
this duty, it is sufficient for everyone. If, on the other hand,
everyone neglects it, then everyone in society is sinful.

The proof that these duties are obligatory comes from the Quran:

“O you who believe! Stand out firmly for justice...” (Quran 4:135)

It is only necessary for a small number of individuals to perform
judicial duties since judicial concerns come under the broad duty of
enjoining what is right and forbidding what is wrong. It is not
obligatory for every individual to carry out this duty as long as some
people are doing so.

The affairs of the people will not be correct and upright without a
judicial system. It is, consequently, obligatory for one to exist,
just like it is necessary to have a military. Imam Ahmad, one of the
greatest and most well-known scholars of Islam said:

“People have to have a judicial authority or their rights will
disappear.”

The duties of the judiciary include enjoining what is right, helping
the oppressed, securing people’s rights, and keeping oppressive
behavior in check. None of these duties can be performed without the
appointment of a judiciary.

A judicial system is a necessity for the prosperity and development of
nations. It is needed to secure human happiness, protect the rights of
the oppressed, and restrain the oppressor. It is the way to resolve
disputes and ensure human rights. It facilitates enjoining what is
right, forbidding what is wrong, and curbing immoral behavior. In this
way, a just social order can be enjoyed by all sectors of society, and
every individual can feel secure in his life, property, honor, and
liberty. In this environment, nations can progress, civilization can
be achieved, and people are free to pursue what will better them both
spiritually and materially.



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Merits of Islam in the Relationship Between Men &Women

1- Islam encourages marriage to prevent committing adultery, and
considers marriage to be one of the ways of the Messengers;The
Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “O
young people, whoever among you can afford to get married, let him do
so, for it helps one to lower the gaze and protect the private parts
(i.e., remain chaste). Whoever cannot afford it, let him fast, for it
is a protection for him.” 2- If a man wants to get married but is
unable to spend on a wife, then he should adhere to the words of Allah.
24:33 “And let those who find not the financial means for marriage
keep themselves chaste, until Allâh enriches them of His Bounty”
3- Islam urges people to get married, and prohibits celibacy and
castration. It is forbidden to forego getting married even if the
intention is to devote oneself to worship. “There is no monasticism in
Islam.” because they are against his nature, and against having
children.

4- Islam forbids adultery for the sake of reserving lineages, and to
prevent unlawful pregnancies and social problems.17: 32. And come not
near to the unlawful sexual intercourse. Verily, it is a Fâhishah
[i.e. anything that transgresses its limits (a great sin)], and an
evil way (that leads one to Hell unless Allâh forgives him).

5- Islam forbids accusing others of adultery and considers it a great
sin. 24: 15. When you were propagating it with your tongues, and
uttering with your mouths that whereof you had no knowledge, you
counted it a little thing, while with Allâh it was very great.

6- Islam prohibits a man to be alone with a woman who is not a
relative he can’t marry, because that causes temptation to do immoral
and evil actions. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon
him) said: “No man is alone with a (non-mahram) woman but the Satan is
the third one present.”

7- Islam forbids unlawful sexual relationships and marrying a woman
not chaste.5: 5. Made lawful to you this day are AtTayyibât [all kinds
of Halâl (lawful) foods, which Allâh has made lawful (meat of
slaughtered eatable animals, etc., milk products, fats, vegetables and
fruits, etc.). The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals, etc.) of
the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and
yours is lawful to them. (Lawful to you in marriage) are chaste women
from the believers and chaste women from those who were given the
Scripture (Jews and Christians) before your time.





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Jon wrote:
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Jim Thompson wrote:
Gore Learns About Photoshop from Iranians... and fudges reality....

Gore did his own...

wait for it....

BOOK COVER ART?!?!?!?!?!?

Why, the scientific fraud is breathtaking! ROFLMMFAO


The fold out has two hurricanes spinning the wrong direction....

Take a look at Florida. ;)

Hilarious that anyone would consider this part of the science.


Only a retarded, street corner, snake oil hawker would put something
like that on the cover of his book, or anywhere else, for that matter.
Much less a book that claims to be all about scientific "facts".

And YES, he DOES know that it is a doctored picture, and he DID know
BEFORE it went on the cover. In fact, HE CHOSE IT.
 
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:03:36 -0800, nospam <nospam@invalid.invalid>
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On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:05:42 +0000, Ian Jackson
ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.demon.co.uk> wrote:

In message <he9qml$21ov$1@adenine.netfront.net>, Jon
NoThanks@nowhere.com> writes

"Ouroboros Rex" <its@casual.com> wrote in message
news:he4crj0p7n@news1.newsguy.com...
Jim Thompson wrote:
Gore Learns About Photoshop from Iranians... and fudges reality....

Gore did his own...

wait for it....

BOOK COVER ART?!?!?!?!?!?

Why, the scientific fraud is breathtaking! ROFLMMFAO


The fold out has two hurricanes spinning the wrong direction....

They go around the wrong way in the southern hemisphere.
Also, the water tends to go down the plug-hole the wrong way.
And the sun passes from east to west via the north (if you know what I
mean).
It's a funny old world.

They rotate counter-clockwise in the northern hemisphere and clockwise
in the southern hemisphere. Both ways are correct for their
hemispheres. There is no wrong way. :)

But the book depicts a CW rotation off Florida and over towards
Europe. Both are wrong for their hemispheres and were clearly planted.

If the book is about the science, let it be real. If the book is a
work of fiction and fantasy with illustrations, let it be listed as
such. Dire predictions about sea level and hurricanes and cyclones are
attempts to engender fear and uncertainty in the public. The cover and
binder art have the same goal.

Insincere science is no science at all.

Well stated.
 
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Merits of Islam in the Area of Creed

1- Islam has given thorough details of the concept of Allah "God",
unlike other beliefs, which make God a tribal god or a one of three
gods, it also gives thorough, and clear details of the obligations
towards Him, towards self and towards fellow beings.112: 1. Say (O
Muhammad): He is Allâh, (the) One.

**Allâh-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need,
He neither eats nor drinks).

**.He begets not, nor was He begotten;

**And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him."29: 22. He is
Allâh, than Whom there is Lâ ilâha illa Huwa (none has the right to be
worshipped but He) the All-Knower of the unseen and the seen (open).
He is the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

**He is Allâh than Whom there is Lâ ilâha illa Huwa (none has the
right to be worshipped but He) the King, the Holy, the One Free from
all defects, the Giver of security, the Watcher over His creatures,
the All-Mighty, the Compeller, the Supreme. Glory be to Allâh! (High
is He) above all that they associate as partners with Him.

**. He is Allâh, the Creator, the Inventor of all things, the Bestower
of forms. To Him belong the Best Names . All that is in the heavens
and the earth glorify Him. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.

2- Islam clearly defines the goals of our existence and duties.51:56.
And I (Allâh) created not the jinns and humans except they should
worship Me (Alone). 2: 21. O mankind! Worship your Lord (Allâh),Who
created you and those who were before you so that you may become Al-
MuttaqĂťn (the pious).

3- Islam clearly defines the results of failure in doing our duties so
that we are aware of the consequences of our actions.4: 14. And
whosoever disobeys Allâh and His Messenger (Muhammad), and
transgresses His limits, He will cast him into the Fire, to abide
therein; and he shall have a disgraceful torment.

4- Islam is the only religion on earth through which the Creator is
worshipped according to His direct instructions found in His Final
Book; the Holy Qoran, unlike others who worship Him based on various
human interpretations found in so-called holy books.15: 9. Verily We:
It is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’ân) and surely, We
will guard it (from corruption) .

5- Islam is the only religion of Allah, which He ordained on humans
since the creation of Adam until the Day of Judgment. Naturally,
having One God requires one religion only. It makes no sense to
believe in One God, and at the same time believe in a multiplicity of
religions. 3: 19. Truly, the religion with Allâh is Islâm. Those who
were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) did not differ except,
out of mutual jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever
disbelieves in the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, signs,
revelations, etc.) of Allâh, then surely, Allâh is Swift in calling to
account. 16:36. And verily, We have sent among every Ummah (community,
nation) a Messenger (proclaiming): "Worship Allâh (Alone), and avoid
(or keep away from) TâghÝt (all false deities, etc. i.e. do not
worship TâghÝt besides Allâh). Then of them were some whom Allâh
guided and of them were some upon whom the straying was justified. So
travel through the land and see what was the end of those who denied
(the truth). 3:85.And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it
will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of
the losers.

6- Islam’s simplicity and clarity enables all various intellect levels
of people to understand it, and subsequently embrace it without any
hesitation or uncertainty.2: 285. The Messenger (Muhammad) believes in
what has been sent down to him from his Lord, and (so do) the
believers. Each one believes in Allâh, His Angels, His Books, and His
Messengers. They say,We make no distinction between one another of His
Messengers" – and they say, "We hear, and we obey. (We seek) Your
Forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the return (of all)." 6:151. Say
(O Muhammad): Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited you
from: Join not anything in worship with Him; be good and dutiful to
your parents; kill not your children because of poverty – We provide
sustenance for you and for them; come not near to Al-Fawâhish
(shameful sins, illegal sexual intercourse, etc.) whether committed
openly or secretly, and kill not anyone whom Allâh has forbidden,
except for a just cause (according to Islâmic law). This He has
commanded you that you may understand. 152. And come not near to the
orphan’s property, except to improve it, until he (or she) attains the
age of full strength; and give full measure and full weight with
justice. We burden not any person, but that which he can bear.And
whenever you give your word (i.e. judge between men or give evidence,
etc.), say the truth even if a near relative is concerned, and fulfill
the Covenant of Allâh, This He commands you, that you may remember.
17: 32. And come not near to the unlawful sexual intercourse. Verily,
it is a Fâhishah [i.e. anything that transgresses its limits (a great
sin)], and an evil way (that leads one to Hell unless Allâh forgives
him). The evidence from the Prophet’s tradition is: Narrated ‘Ubada
bin As-Samit: I, along with a group of people, gave the pledge of
allegiance to Allah’s Apostle. He said, "I take your Pledge on the
condition that you (1) will not join partners in worship with Allah,
(2) will not steal, (3) will not commit illegal sexual intercourse,
(4) will not kill your offspring, (5) will not slander, (6) and will
not disobey me when I order you to do good. Whoever among you will
abide by his pledge, his reward will be with Allah, and whoever
commits any of those sins and receives the punishment in this world,
that punishment will be an expiation for his sins and purification;
but if Allah screens him, then it will be up to Allah to punish him if
He will or excuse Him, if He will."

7- Islam requires belief in all the prophets of God and the former
original revealed Books.4: 136. O you who believe! Believe in Allâh,
and His Messenger (Muhammad), and the Book (the Qur’ân) which He has
sent down to His Messenger, and the Scripture which He sent down to
those before (him), and whosoever disbelieves in Allâh, His Angels,
His Books, His Messengers, and the Last Day, then indeed he has
strayed far away.

8- The Prophet of Islam (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him),
is the only prophet whose followers took great authenticity care of
even the smallest details of his biography, and recorded them in well-
known sources which are considered to be the second source of Islamic
legislation.

9- While the missions of the previous prophets of God were addressed
to specific nations at specific times, Islam is directed to all human
beings until the Last Hour. 34: 28. And We have not sent you (O
Muhammad) except as a giver of glad tidings and a warner to all
mankind, but most of men know not. 10- Islam acquits the prophets of
the horrible misdeeds, which the Bible accuses them of committing.38:
47. And they are with Us, verily, of the chosen and the best!

11- Islam ordains five prayers throughout the day and night, so the
Muslim is in touch with his Creator at all times.11:114. And perform
As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), at the two ends of the day and in some
hours of the night [i.e. the five compulsory Salât (prayers)]. Verily,
the good deeds remove the evil deeds (i.e. small sins). That is a
reminder (an advice) for the mindful (those who accept advice).

12- Ways of gaining rewards are innumerable in Islam. A Muslim is
rewarded for whatever he does to draw himself closer to Allah. 99:7.
So whosoever does good equal to the weight of an atom (or a small
ant), shall see it. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon
him) said, "Charity is obligatory everyday on every joint of a human
being. If one helps a person in matters concerning his riding animal
by helping him to ride it or by lifting his luggage on to it, all this
will be regarded charity. A good word, and every step one takes to
offer the compulsory Congregational prayer, is regarded as charity;
and guiding somebody on the road is regarded as charity."

13- Islam encourages people to repent by leaving the door open to
them to return to the Creator at any time, who assuredly will forgive
all their previous sins.39: 53.Say: "O ‘Ibâdî (My slaves) who have
transgressed against themselves (by committing evil deeds and sins)!
Despair not of the Mercy of Allâh, verily Allâh forgives all sins..
Truly, He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.25: 70. Except those who
repent and believe (in Islâmic Monotheism), and do righteous deeds,
for those, Allâh will change their sins into good deeds, and Allâh is
Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

14- Islam imposes Jihad on Muslims when oppressed, so that there will
be no worshipping of any associates with Allah.8:39. And fight them
until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e.
worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all
be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease
(worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is All-Seer
of what they do.22: 40. Those who have been expelled from their homes
unjustly only because they said: "Our Lord is Allâh." For had it not
been that Allâh checks one set of people by means of another,
monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, wherein the Name of
Allâh is mentioned much would surely have been pulled down. Verily,
Allâh will help those who help His (Cause). Truly, Allâh is All-
Strong, All-Mighty. This demonstrates the wisdom of jihad; it is meant
to establish the religion of Allah; monotheism/Islam, or preventing
the infidels from harming the believers, and paving the way to worship
Allah and apply His laws.

15- Islam prohibits adding or omitting anything to or from the Islamic
teachings to preserve and maintain it as exactly as when is was
revealed to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon
him).The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said:
“Whoever innovates something in this matter of ours [i.e., Islam] that
is not a part of it will have it rejected

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On Dec 2, 9:14 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-
Site.com/Snicker> wrote:
OK, Here’s the Plan: There Isn’t One...

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/12/02/ok-heres-the-plan-the...

                                        ...Jim Thompson
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 Think things are bad now?  Wait until Obama "takes care" of you.
It is my understanding that
1 He never provided proof of being born in the US. And, the one woman
who could really confirm the situation died. All swept under the
carpet. Ignored.
2 This President has received more death threats than all others
combined. Specifically a News item not covered here, a young child
stood up at a 'town meeting' and asked why are you so hated? swept
under the carpet.
3 His wife offended England by inappropriately touching their Royalty.
Honestly, one should not touch another, it is NOT proper etiquette.
4 He offended the US by inappropriately bowing to a foreign head of
state. I found that offensive, because a man of God bows to no man.
5 He convinces you to buy into something, and then changes the rules
out from under you. The most recent, H. Clinton accepted the position
of Secty of State, because she was told she could have free reign,
select her own staff. After accepting position, all that went away.
She became a puppet. You may have noticed that she hasn't been covered
as much lately. [IMO being lowered has to rankle her to no end.]

Any other things I missed?
 
Robert Macy <macy@california.com> writes:


[...]

It is my understanding that
1 He never provided proof of being born in the US. And, the one woman
who could really confirm the situation died. All swept under the
carpet. Ignored.
2 This President has received more death threats than all others
combined. Specifically a News item not covered here, a young child
stood up at a 'town meeting' and asked why are you so hated? swept
under the carpet.
He gets death threats from right-wing nuts and *he's* the problem? I
suppose a woman that is raped must have been "asking for it"?

3 His wife offended England by inappropriately touching their Royalty.
Honestly, one should not touch another, it is NOT proper etiquette.
I would not normally presume to speak for others. But on this occasion I
can safely say, on behalf of all of England:

We don't care.

4 He offended the US by inappropriately bowing to a foreign head of
state. I found that offensive, because a man of God bows to no man.
Of course one *is* supposed to bow to royalty in England and everywhere
else AFAIK. Again, not that anyone cares, but you brought it up.


[...]


--

John Devereux
 
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:39:47 +0000, John Devereux
<john@devereux.me.uk> wrote:

Robert Macy <macy@california.com> writes:


[...]

It is my understanding that
1 He never provided proof of being born in the US. And, the one woman
who could really confirm the situation died. All swept under the
carpet. Ignored.
2 This President has received more death threats than all others
combined. Specifically a News item not covered here, a young child
stood up at a 'town meeting' and asked why are you so hated? swept
under the carpet.

He gets death threats from right-wing nuts and *he's* the problem? I
suppose a woman that is raped must have been "asking for it"?
I'll make a prediction. It'll be some LEFT-WING NUT who tries it
because Obama is waffling over all the idiotic promises he made to get
the LEFT-WING NUTS to vote for him.

We RIGHT-WING NUTS will give new complexion to Congress (and maybe
even the Senate) in 2010... that's how we RIGHT-WING NUTS do things...
provided Obama doesn't take away free speech first :-(

3 His wife offended England by inappropriately touching their Royalty.
Honestly, one should not touch another, it is NOT proper etiquette.

I would not normally presume to speak for others. But on this occasion I
can safely say, on behalf of all of England:

We don't care.
It WAS against protocol.

4 He offended the US by inappropriately bowing to a foreign head of
state. I found that offensive, because a man of God bows to no man.

Of course one *is* supposed to bow to royalty in England and everywhere
else AFAIK. Again, not that anyone cares, but you brought it up.


[...]
NO US President should BOW to any foreign leader.... PERIOD!

I've done much business with the Japanese... I nod in respect, just
not quite as low as they did. Got along fabulously with the _really_
old guard at Sanyo (I was like ~55 at the time)... they called me
"Doctor" Thompson ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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You can never be too prepared for the REPRESSION!
 
Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com/Snicker>
writes:

On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:39:47 +0000, John Devereux
john@devereux.me.uk> wrote:

Robert Macy <macy@california.com> writes:


[...]

It is my understanding that
1 He never provided proof of being born in the US. And, the one woman
who could really confirm the situation died. All swept under the
carpet. Ignored.
2 This President has received more death threats than all others
combined. Specifically a News item not covered here, a young child
stood up at a 'town meeting' and asked why are you so hated? swept
under the carpet.

He gets death threats from right-wing nuts and *he's* the problem? I
suppose a woman that is raped must have been "asking for it"?

I'll make a prediction. It'll be some LEFT-WING NUT who tries it
because Obama is waffling over all the idiotic promises he made to get
the LEFT-WING NUTS to vote for him.

We RIGHT-WING NUTS will give new complexion to Congress (and maybe
even the Senate) in 2010... that's how we RIGHT-WING NUTS do things...
provided Obama doesn't take away free speech first :-(


3 His wife offended England by inappropriately touching their Royalty.
Honestly, one should not touch another, it is NOT proper etiquette.

I would not normally presume to speak for others. But on this occasion I
can safely say, on behalf of all of England:

We don't care.

It WAS against protocol.
You know we only keep the royal family for the tourists, right? :)

4 He offended the US by inappropriately bowing to a foreign head of
state. I found that offensive, because a man of God bows to no man.

Of course one *is* supposed to bow to royalty in England and everywhere
else AFAIK. Again, not that anyone cares, but you brought it up.


[...]

NO US President should BOW to any foreign leader.... PERIOD!
Why not, it's just "protocol"?

I've done much business with the Japanese... I nod in respect, just
not quite as low as they did. Got along fabulously with the _really_
old guard at Sanyo (I was like ~55 at the time)... they called me
"Doctor" Thompson ;-)

...Jim Thompson

--

John Devereux
 
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:28:39 +0000, John Devereux
<john@devereux.me.uk> wrote:

Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com/Snicker
writes:

[snip]

NO US President should BOW to any foreign leader.... PERIOD!

Why not, it's just "protocol"?
It is NOT US protocol to BOW to anyone.

I've done much business with the Japanese... I nod in respect, just
not quite as low as they did. Got along fabulously with the _really_
old guard at Sanyo (I was like ~55 at the time)... they called me
"Doctor" Thompson ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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You can never be too prepared for the REPRESSION!
 
Robert Macy <macy@california.com> wrote:

It is my understanding that
1 He never provided proof of being born in the US. And, the one woman
who could really confirm the situation died. All swept under the
carpet. Ignored.
That may be what you want to understand, but it is not the truth.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
 
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:51:02 -0400, Steve Hall <shall1@canada.com>
wrote:

Robert Macy <macy@california.com> wrote:

It is my understanding that
1 He never provided proof of being born in the US. And, the one woman
who could really confirm the situation died. All swept under the
carpet. Ignored.

That may be what you want to understand, but it is not the truth.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
It is truly amazing (but instructive) how long this meme has circulated
in the wingnut circles.

Does nobody remember the Bush Justice Department, aka the enforcement
wing of the RNC? Monica Goodling? Kyle Sampson? Alberto Gonzales? Can
there be any doubt at all that if Obama actually was born in Kenya, or
on a moon of Saturn or wherever, that the DoJ would not have found out
about it and used the proof at the most politically advantageous time?

Get real, people.

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA
 
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:51:02 -0400, Steve Hall <shall1@canada.com>
wrote:

Robert Macy <macy@california.com> wrote:

It is my understanding that
1 He never provided proof of being born in the US. And, the one woman
who could really confirm the situation died. All swept under the
carpet. Ignored.

That may be what you want to understand, but it is not the truth.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
With the Document Number excised... wonder why they did that? So you
couldn't actually verify its authenticity?

Even in my home state of WV, one can reach County records via the
Internet and view ANY public document.

My suspicions tend more toward a scheme to keep attention diverted
from the real problem: Obama is a raving ideologue socialist.

...Jim Thompson
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You can never be too prepared for the REPRESSION!
 
On Dec 4, 5:51 am, Steve Hall <sha...@canada.com> wrote:
Robert Macy <m...@california.com> wrote:
It is my understanding that
1 He never provided proof of being born in the US.  And, the one woman
who could really confirm the situation died.  All swept under the
carpet.  Ignored.

That may be what you want to understand, but it is not the truth.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
Thank you for providing this URL.

The 'document' does not look right.

And, the ending paragraph, did not reveal the results of the legal
challenge, just stated that legal challenges often happen. With the
implication that because so many of these 'nuisance' challenges occur,
this is just another one. That quality of information is below
snopes.
 
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com/Snicker> wrote
in message news:68kfh55809fgnkrmqe03m1f5rvbl3cob04@4ax.com...
NO US President should BOW to any foreign leader.... PERIOD!
Why not? Bowing is often just a sign of respect
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowing), not of subservience.

Bush bowed too, of course:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/33289_Bush_Bowed_Too#rss

---Joel
 
"Robert Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message
news:ede69a49-ed28-4840-842e-5f751b779f72@m26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
The 'document' does not look right.
Ah, and there's the rub: There's really no way to "prove" Obama was born in
the U.S., now, is there? Records can be faked, even if someone had a full
two-hour doucmentary of Obama's delivery with no cuts that could have been
faked too, right?

As others have mentioned, if there were any particularly *credible* evidence
that Obama wasn't born in the U.S., the RNC would have jumped on it long ago
last year.

---Joel
 
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:50:44 -0800, "Joel Koltner"
<zapwireDASHgroups@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com/Snicker> wrote
in message news:68kfh55809fgnkrmqe03m1f5rvbl3cob04@4ax.com...
NO US President should BOW to any foreign leader.... PERIOD!

Why not? Bowing is often just a sign of respect
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowing), not of subservience.

Bush bowed too, of course:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/33289_Bush_Bowed_Too#rss

---Joel
Obama bowed so low he probably was giving the Sheikh a blow-job ;-)

And read the fricking text, and watch... "W" is bending over to accept
a medal placed around his neck.

Fooking leftist weenies.

...Jim Thompson
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Liberals are so cute.  Dumb as a box of rocks, but cute.
 
On Dec 4, 2:56 pm, "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Robert Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in message

news:ede69a49-ed28-4840-842e-5f751b779f72@m26g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...

The 'document' does not look right.

Ah, and there's the rub: There's really no way to "prove" Obama was born in
the U.S., now, is there?  Records can be faked, even if someone had a full
two-hour doucmentary of Obama's delivery with no cuts that could have been
faked too, right?

As others have mentioned, if there were any particularly *credible* evidence
that Obama wasn't born in the U.S., the RNC would have jumped on it long ago
last year.

---Joel
Thank you for admitting documents can be changed, because from
personal experience: documents purged, changed, created. If what I
saw can be done, [the scope was incredible, too] anything can be
done. Where born is now really a moot point.

Instead of looking for documentation, ask the question, "Who makes
money from this?" that pretty much defines where to look.
 
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