EAGLE Netlist conversion

[Jim Thompson]

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:14:35 GMT, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Hello Harry,

Your favorite oscillator and a 20 bit counter. ...


That is how I would do it, similar to a CD4060.

It may not need 20 bits. That would depend on the trade-off between die
area per pF for the oscillator capacitor and the real estate each
divider occupies. It also depends on how small a current can safely be
generated and used to charge and discharge that cap. 20pF seems pretty
fat for a chip.

Jim, maybe you can instead incorporate some nifty logic that holds down
the reset until the charge pump has reached the desired voltage level,
like x times battery level.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

I don't want to sense the CP output voltage. It's driving a
capacitive transducer, and sensing will load it..

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Joerg]

Hello Jim,

I don't want to sense the CP output voltage. It's driving a
capacitive transducer, and sensing will load it..

I don't know the architecture. But is there a way to sense and switch
the divider path hi-Z when done sensing?

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

 

[Tim Wescott]

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:14:35 GMT, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:


Hello Harry,


Your favorite oscillator and a 20 bit counter. ...


That is how I would do it, similar to a CD4060.

It may not need 20 bits. That would depend on the trade-off between die
area per pF for the oscillator capacitor and the real estate each
divider occupies. It also depends on how small a current can safely be
generated and used to charge and discharge that cap. 20pF seems pretty
fat for a chip.

Jim, maybe you can instead incorporate some nifty logic that holds down
the reset until the charge pump has reached the desired voltage level,
like x times battery level.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com


I don't want to sense the CP output voltage. It's driving a
capacitive transducer, and sensing will load it..

...Jim Thompson

Even with a FET gate? Or is that a stupid question -- the closest I've
been to IC design is that 4th-year class where you build an op-amp out
of a CA3096 and a CA3086.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:14:50 -0800, Tim Wescott
<tim@wescottnospamdesign.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:14:35 GMT, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:


Hello Harry,


Your favorite oscillator and a 20 bit counter. ...


That is how I would do it, similar to a CD4060.

It may not need 20 bits. That would depend on the trade-off between die
area per pF for the oscillator capacitor and the real estate each
divider occupies. It also depends on how small a current can safely be
generated and used to charge and discharge that cap. 20pF seems pretty
fat for a chip.

Jim, maybe you can instead incorporate some nifty logic that holds down
the reset until the charge pump has reached the desired voltage level,
like x times battery level.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com


I don't want to sense the CP output voltage. It's driving a
capacitive transducer, and sensing will load it..

...Jim Thompson

Even with a FET gate? Or is that a stupid question -- the closest I've
been to IC design is that 4th-year class where you build an op-amp out
of a CA3096 and a CA3086.

The highest voltage on-chip is the pump output, so a FET gate needs a
drain supply.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Tim Wescott]

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:14:50 -0800, Tim Wescott
tim@wescottnospamdesign.com> wrote:


Jim Thompson wrote:

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:14:35 GMT, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:



Hello Harry,



Your favorite oscillator and a 20 bit counter. ...


That is how I would do it, similar to a CD4060.

It may not need 20 bits. That would depend on the trade-off between die
area per pF for the oscillator capacitor and the real estate each
divider occupies. It also depends on how small a current can safely be
generated and used to charge and discharge that cap. 20pF seems pretty
fat for a chip.

Jim, maybe you can instead incorporate some nifty logic that holds down
the reset until the charge pump has reached the desired voltage level,
like x times battery level.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com


I don't want to sense the CP output voltage. It's driving a
capacitive transducer, and sensing will load it..

...Jim Thompson

Even with a FET gate? Or is that a stupid question -- the closest I've
been to IC design is that 4th-year class where you build an op-amp out
of a CA3096 and a CA3086.


The highest voltage on-chip is the pump output, so a FET gate needs a
drain supply.

...Jim Thompson

And to think I'm charging folks for my time today -- good thing it's
something I already know how to do.

So you're back to an RC oscillator and a counter?

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:36:27 -0800, Tim Wescott
<tim@wescottnospamdesign.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:14:50 -0800, Tim Wescott
tim@wescottnospamdesign.com> wrote:


Jim Thompson wrote:

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:14:35 GMT, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:



Hello Harry,



Your favorite oscillator and a 20 bit counter. ...


That is how I would do it, similar to a CD4060.

It may not need 20 bits. That would depend on the trade-off between die
area per pF for the oscillator capacitor and the real estate each
divider occupies. It also depends on how small a current can safely be
generated and used to charge and discharge that cap. 20pF seems pretty
fat for a chip.

Jim, maybe you can instead incorporate some nifty logic that holds down
the reset until the charge pump has reached the desired voltage level,
like x times battery level.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com


I don't want to sense the CP output voltage. It's driving a
capacitive transducer, and sensing will load it..

...Jim Thompson

Even with a FET gate? Or is that a stupid question -- the closest I've
been to IC design is that 4th-year class where you build an op-amp out
of a CA3096 and a CA3086.


The highest voltage on-chip is the pump output, so a FET gate needs a
drain supply.

...Jim Thompson

And to think I'm charging folks for my time today -- good thing it's
something I already know how to do.

So you're back to an RC oscillator and a counter?

I'm contemplating a second pump with smaller capacitors as a
counter... something like "CP-Style-Counter.pdf" on the
S.E.D/Schematics page of my website.

Since it would be ratiometric with the main pump I can use a sensor
that's below VDD and thus powerable.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:56:05 -0500, "Oppie" <boppie@-nospam-ludl.com>
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:9b4c115m81ir08k8k10gha2adra73oemh2@4ax.com...
http://www.adcritic.com/interactive/view.php?id=5927

...Jim Thompson

Brave new world...
Can I get fries with that?

Only artificial ones ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Oppie <boppie@-nospam-ludl.com>
wrote (in <1108752966.d8c2931e6f3868c2322f05d6adf2b867@teranews&gt about
'Funny/Scary, Big Brother Watches', on Fri, 18 Feb 2005:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:9b4c115m81ir08k8k10gha2adra73oemh2@4ax.com...
http://www.adcritic.com/interactive/view.php?id=5927

...Jim Thompson

Brave new world...
Can I get fries with that?


Fries attract a double health surcharge.

--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:02:35 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

http://www.adcritic.com/interactive/view.php?id=5927

...Jim Thompson

Very scary. And a lot of it is already happening.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:36:53 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:02:35 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

http://www.adcritic.com/interactive/view.php?id=5927

...Jim Thompson

Very scary. And a lot of it is already happening.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

My pizza place isn't quite that bad, but they know, from some
caller-ID processing in their computer, who I am and what I ordered
last time and my most common order.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:22:15 +0000, John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Oppie <boppie@-nospam-ludl.com
wrote (in <1108752966.d8c2931e6f3868c2322f05d6adf2b867@teranews&gt about
'Funny/Scary, Big Brother Watches', on Fri, 18 Feb 2005:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:9b4c115m81ir08k8k10gha2adra73oemh2@4ax.com...
http://www.adcritic.com/interactive/view.php?id=5927

...Jim Thompson

Brave new world...
Can I get fries with that?


Fries attract a double health surcharge.

Oooops! I incorrectly read your comment as "flies", since they were
on my mind, but I'll continue anyway...

A woman walked into the kitchen to find her husband stalking around
with a fly swatter.

"What are you doing?" She asked.

"Hunting Flies" He responded.

"Oh. Killing any?" She asked.

"Yep, 3 males, 2 Females," he replied.

Intrigued, she asked. "How can you tell them apart?"

He responded, "3 were on a beer can, 2 were on the phone."


...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:42:00 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

My pizza place isn't quite that bad, but they know, from some
caller-ID processing in their computer, who I am and what I ordered
last time and my most common order.

...Jim Thompson

I've got no problem with that, it's when they start givin or selling
the information to other companies that it gets bad. I used an "Air
Miles" points card at a gas station *once* about 45 minutes drive from
home and got a flyer in the mail when that particular gas station
renovated. My fault for voluntarily using the program, otherwise they
would never have been able to get my address. g

Also Amazon's site remembers what *kind* of stuff you order and offers
you "specials" on the startup page that happen to fit into that
category. Kind of like the bookstore owner recognizing you, what you
like to read, and re-arranging the sale section for your benefit. Some
might find that a bit creepy, especially if they order oddball books.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[Rich Grise]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:44:54 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:22:15 +0000, John Woodgate

Fries attract a double health surcharge.

Oooops! I incorrectly read your comment as "flies", since they were
on my mind, but I'll continue anyway...

A woman walked into the kitchen to find her husband stalking around
with a fly swatter.

"What are you doing?" She asked.

"Hunting Flies" He responded.

"Oh. Killing any?" She asked.

"Yep, 3 males, 2 Females," he replied.

Intrigued, she asked. "How can you tell them apart?"

He responded, "3 were on a beer can, 2 were on the phone."

If there are five flies on the table, and you kill two with
one swat, how many are left?

(see below)





..





..





..




..


The two dead ones, of course. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Chris Carlen]

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:02:35 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:


http://www.adcritic.com/interactive/view.php?id=5927

...Jim Thompson


Very scary. And a lot of it is already happening.

Thanks to the Republicans.
Thanks to the Democrats.
Thanks to the Republicans.
Thanks to the Democrats.
Thanks to the Republicans.
Thanks to the Democrats.
Thanks to the Republicans.
Thanks to the Democrats.
....

It will only get worse, as long as we believe the government is the
solution to all the problems caused by the government, and all the other
problems too.


A wise man once said: "If I am not the problem, there is no solution."


Good day!


--
_____________________
Christopher R. Carlen
crobc@sbcglobal.net
SuSE 9.1 Linux 2.6.5

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:49:02 -0800, the renowned Chris Carlen
<crobc@BOGUSFIELD.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:02:35 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:


http://www.adcritic.com/interactive/view.php?id=5927

...Jim Thompson


Very scary. And a lot of it is already happening.


Thanks to the Republicans.
Thanks to the Democrats.
Thanks to the Republicans.
Thanks to the Democrats.
Thanks to the Republicans.
Thanks to the Democrats.
Thanks to the Republicans.
Thanks to the Democrats.
...

It will only get worse, as long as we believe the government is the
solution to all the problems caused by the government, and all the other
problems too.

The government could certainly help by passing privacy laws to prevent
certain types of sharing of information. Most large companies will
obey at least the letter of the law and privacy will be protected to
at some extent.

If there is no law against it, and there's a buck to be made, someone
will do it, it's inevitable. Depends what kind of a world you want to
live it. Maybe you've got nothing to hide, and you don't mind, say,
getting approached by a dating company when your periodic household
purchases of feminine hygiene products and cosmetics suddenly cease.

A wise man once said: "If I am not the problem, there is no solution."
Good day!

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote (in <78nc1159k4f6f0hqtig11b4uj
eu89mifr6@4ax.com&gt about 'OT: Funny/Scary, Big Brother Watches', on
Fri, 18 Feb 2005:

Maybe you've got nothing to hide, and you don't mind, say,
getting approached by a dating company when your periodic household
purchases of feminine hygiene products and cosmetics suddenly cease.

But if you are approached by the Homicide Squad .... ?
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Rich The Philosophizer]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:29:52 -0500, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:49:02 -0800, the renowned Chris Carlen
crobc@BOGUSFIELD.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:02:35 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:


http://www.adcritic.com/interactive/view.php?id=5927

...Jim Thompson


Very scary. And a lot of it is already happening.


Thanks to the Republicans.
Thanks to the Democrats.
Thanks to the Republicans.
Thanks to the Democrats.
Thanks to the Republicans.
Thanks to the Democrats.
Thanks to the Republicans.
Thanks to the Democrats.
...

It will only get worse, as long as we believe the government is the
solution to all the problems caused by the government, and all the other
problems too.

The government could certainly help by passing privacy laws to prevent
certain types of sharing of information. Most large companies will
obey at least the letter of the law and privacy will be protected to
at some extent.

If there is no law against it, and there's a buck to be made, someone
will do it, it's inevitable. Depends what kind of a world you want to
live it. Maybe you've got nothing to hide, and you don't mind, say,
getting approached by a dating company when your periodic household
purchases of feminine hygiene products and cosmetics suddenly cease.

A wise man once said: "If I am not the problem, there is no solution."
Good day!

Everything that you perceive to be outside of yourself is actually a
reflection of something inside yourself. The only way to know what's
around you is through your perceptions, and all of your perceptions
are inside you:
http://www.godchannel.com/reality.html

Cheers!
Rich

for further information, please visit http://www.godchannel.com

 

[Rich Grise]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:43:29 +0000, John Woodgate wrote:

I read in alt.binaries.schematics.electronic that Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote (in <78nc1159k4f6f0hqtig11b4uj
eu89mifr6@4ax.com&gt about 'OT: Funny/Scary, Big Brother Watches', on
Fri, 18 Feb 2005:

Maybe you've got nothing to hide, and you don't mind, say,
getting approached by a dating company when your periodic household
purchases of feminine hygiene products and cosmetics suddenly cease.

But if you are approached by the Homicide Squad .... ?

If that's the case, then I'd either try to run, if I had any notice, or
I'd acquiesce (which wouldn't make me much of a martyr, since I seem to
have zero followers), or I'd be glad that I hadn't publically bitched too
much about Big Brother. ;-)

Hail George!
Rich

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich The Philosophizer
<rtp@example.net> wrote (in <pan.2005.02.19.02.11.15.818634@example.net>
) about 'OT: Funny/Scary, Big Brother Watches', on Sat, 19 Feb 2005:

Everything that you perceive to be outside of yourself is actually a
reflection of something inside yourself.

What, then, are you the reflection of that is inside me? Can I have it
removed? (;-)
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Jim Douglas]

This is not the future, this is now. I am in the IT field and I am alarmed
at what information is available.

I recently saw a company had told it's employees to "Quit Smoking" or be
fired, they were going to use information from physicians to assure
compliance and on-site tests! I believe no one has the right to tell anyone
if they should smoke or not, now he does have the right to limit smoke
breaks during the day. What's next with this guy overweight, high-blood
pressure?

I sent an email to the owner of the company indicating that I would assist
financially with any lawsuit brought against him. This is one step away
from employers having access to your medical records, for example I have a
broken back, would a company refuse employment? I have been refused
employment due to age so I'm sure folks with cancer, kids with bad sickness,
high blood pressure, etc would keep some companies from hiring you!


"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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http://www.adcritic.com/interactive/view.php?id=5927

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.