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Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su · Feb 4, 2005

"Richard Crowley" <rcrowley7@xprt.net> wrote in message
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"Pig Bladder" <pigbladder@neodruid.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:01:17 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

http://awwa.org/communications/journal/2005/January/ExecSumm/ES3calles01

05.cfm

by Jennifer Renee (Thompson) Calles

(Number 2 daughter ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Yeah, I'm impressed. Thompson's rug rats discover weapons of mass
destruction ambedded in our fluoridation.

Aren't neocons smart?
--
The Pig Bladder From Uranus, Still Waiting for
Some Hot Babe to Ask What My Favorite Planet Is.

Thats "progressive"??? Plonk!

No, It's **PLONK**

David · Feb 4, 2005

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:16:32 +0000, gwhite wrote:

Tom Del Rosso wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 03:53:36 GMT, "Ban" <bansuri@web.de> wrote:

Hey Jim,
who was it giving a *FRENCH* name to his daughter?

41 years ago, who was to know ?

Well, Eisenhower did say, "Never trust the French", but I guess we needed a
reminder.

"I would rather have the German army in front of me than the French army behind
me." -- Gen. G. Patton

WII veterans had another saying - "When the Germans fired, the British
ducked. When the British fired, the Germans ducked. When the Americans
fired, everybody ducked."

Tom Del Rosso · Feb 4, 2005

"David" <david.nospam@westcontrol.removethis.com> wrote in message
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WII veterans had another saying - "When the Germans fired, the British
ducked. When the British fired, the Germans ducked. When the Americans
fired, everybody ducked."

A captured Japanese soldier was asked who is the best at jungle warfare.

"The British", he said.

"What about the Americans", he was asked.

"The Americans don't fight in the jungle. They destroy the jungle, then
they fight."

--

Reply in group, but if emailing add
2 more zeros and remove the obvious.

Jim Thompson · Feb 4, 2005

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 16:33:52 +1300, Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org>
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:41:19 +1300, Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

http://awwa.org/communications/journal/2005/January/ExecSumm/ES3calles0105.cfm

by Jennifer Renee (Thompson) Calles

(Number 2 daughter ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Hi Jim,

good stuff. One day I too hope to bask in the reflected glory of my
progeny. I tried to download the PDF, but its for AWWA members only. Any
chance of making the PDF available - its interesting stuff, and I for
one would like to read the entire article.

Cheers
Terry

I see if and can get and post a copy.

...Jim Thompson

Many thanks.

Cheers
Terry

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Jim Thompson · Feb 4, 2005

On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 08:18:47 -0700, Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness>
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
http://awwa.org/communications/journal/2005/January/ExecSumm/ES3calles0105.cfm

by Jennifer Renee (Thompson) Calles

I hope she doesn't get "re-jobbed" like the guy who took the hit for
giving the boil-your-water warning. That just sucked. I'm a big fan of
Erring On The Side Of Caution. He could well have prevented a Cholera
outbreak. Oh, well, I suppose TPTB thought he gave the impression that
our water purification system was incompetent.

Mark L. Fergerson

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Mark Fergerson · Feb 4, 2005

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 08:18:47 -0700, Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

http://awwa.org/communications/journal/2005/January/ExecSumm/ES3calles0105.cfm

by Jennifer Renee (Thompson) Calles

I hope she doesn't get "re-jobbed" like the guy who took the hit for
giving the boil-your-water warning. That just sucked. I'm a big fan of
Erring On The Side Of Caution. He could well have prevented a Cholera
outbreak. Oh, well, I suppose TPTB thought he gave the impression that
our water purification system was incompetent.

Looks like dumping Mike is going to be Space Cadet Phil Gordon's major
impotent-rendering blunder. I can't say anything now... I have
insider information ;-) But watch the papers.

Justice may actually get a scrap of service? Yay!

Can we get an _adult_ mayor next time?

Mark L. Fergerson

Jim Thompson · Feb 4, 2005

On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:05:52 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:41:06 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

I'm trying to come up with a model of the series resistance of a
capacitor formed using gate-channel capacitance and with drain-source
merged.

That's cheating. Not nice.

Refer to....

http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/MOS-CAP-Series-R.pdf

(I'm not very good at conformal mapping of rectangular objects

Ideas?

Where on the sheet do you make the connection? The location and
geometry of the connection matter.

Connections: Merged Drain-Source is one connection, Gate Plate is the
other.

Clearly a single resistance will be an imperfect model. Capacitance
near the contact is nearly pure, and capacitance farther away sees
more series R. It's one of those nasty diffusion things.

John

A two-dimensionsal ladder would be OK as a model.

Clearly I'm asking because it's not easy ;-)

I prefer "fingered" structures myself (which model easily, since
they're one-dimensional), but a client is using this without a clue of
the series R effect :-(

...Jim Thompson
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Jim Thompson · Feb 4, 2005

On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:41:06 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

I'm trying to come up with a model of the series resistance of a
capacitor formed using gate-channel capacitance and with drain-source
merged.

Refer to....

http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/MOS-CAP-Series-R.pdf

(I'm not very good at conformal mapping of rectangular objects

Ideas?

Thanks in advance!

...Jim Thompson

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Terry Given · Feb 4, 2005

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 16:33:52 +1300, Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:41:19 +1300, Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

http://awwa.org/communications/journal/2005/January/ExecSumm/ES3calles0105.cfm

by Jennifer Renee (Thompson) Calles

(Number 2 daughter ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Hi Jim,

good stuff. One day I too hope to bask in the reflected glory of my
progeny. I tried to download the PDF, but its for AWWA members only. Any
chance of making the PDF available - its interesting stuff, and I for
one would like to read the entire article.

Cheers
Terry

I see if and can get and post a copy.

...Jim Thompson

Many thanks.

Cheers
Terry

Turns out I can't. It's copyrighted and all that member-BS. You
*might* find it in a library.

...Jim Thompson

Hi Jim,

bummer. Thanks for trying though.

Cheers
Terry

Jim Thompson · Feb 5, 2005

On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 10:22:30 +1300, Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org>
wrote:

[snip]

Hi Jim,

good stuff. One day I too hope to bask in the reflected glory of my
progeny. I tried to download the PDF, but its for AWWA members only. Any
chance of making the PDF available - its interesting stuff, and I for
one would like to read the entire article.

Cheers
Terry

I see if and can get and post a copy.

...Jim Thompson

Many thanks.

Cheers
Terry

Turns out I can't. It's copyrighted and all that member-BS. You
*might* find it in a library.

...Jim Thompson

Hi Jim,

bummer. Thanks for trying though.

Cheers
Terry

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Robert Baer · Feb 5, 2005

Tom Del Rosso wrote:

"David" <david.nospam@westcontrol.removethis.com> wrote in message
newsan.2005.02.04.08.10.45.201000@westcontrol.removethis.com...

WII veterans had another saying - "When the Germans fired, the British
ducked. When the British fired, the Germans ducked. When the Americans
fired, everybody ducked."

A captured Japanese soldier was asked who is the best at jungle warfare.

"The British", he said.

"What about the Americans", he was asked.

"The Americans don't fight in the jungle. They destroy the jungle, then
they fight."

--

Reply in group, but if emailing add
2 more zeros and remove the obvious.

Not a joke; rather accurate assessment.

Terry Given · Feb 7, 2005

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 10:22:30 +1300, Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org
wrote:

[snip]

Hi Jim,

good stuff. One day I too hope to bask in the reflected glory of my
progeny. I tried to download the PDF, but its for AWWA members only. Any
chance of making the PDF available - its interesting stuff, and I for
one would like to read the entire article.

Cheers
Terry

I see if and can get and post a copy.

...Jim Thompson

Many thanks.

Cheers
Terry

Turns out I can't. It's copyrighted and all that member-BS. You
*might* find it in a library.

...Jim Thompson

Hi Jim,

bummer. Thanks for trying though.

Cheers
Terry

I *may* be able to purloin a PDF, which I will distribute to
recipients willing to certify it's for their eyes only.

...Jim Thompson

Discretion is my middle name. OK, its actually leslie, but note the
commonality of vowels. My real email is pretty easy to figure out, and I
am quite happy to comply with your request. Many thanks.

Cheers
Terry

Jim Thompson · Feb 7, 2005

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:51:52 +1300, Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org>
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 10:22:30 +1300, Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org
wrote:

[snip]

Hi Jim,

good stuff. One day I too hope to bask in the reflected glory of my
progeny. I tried to download the PDF, but its for AWWA members only. Any
chance of making the PDF available - its interesting stuff, and I for
one would like to read the entire article.

Cheers
Terry

I see if and can get and post a copy.

...Jim Thompson

Many thanks.

Cheers
Terry

Turns out I can't. It's copyrighted and all that member-BS. You
*might* find it in a library.

...Jim Thompson

Hi Jim,

bummer. Thanks for trying though.

Cheers
Terry

I *may* be able to purloin a PDF, which I will distribute to
recipients willing to certify it's for their eyes only.

...Jim Thompson

Discretion is my middle name. OK, its actually leslie, but note the
commonality of vowels. My real email is pretty easy to figure out, and I
am quite happy to comply with your request. Many thanks.

Cheers
Terry

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Terry Given · Feb 7, 2005

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:51:52 +1300, Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 10:22:30 +1300, Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org
wrote:

[snip]

Hi Jim,

good stuff. One day I too hope to bask in the reflected glory of my
progeny. I tried to download the PDF, but its for AWWA members only. Any
chance of making the PDF available - its interesting stuff, and I for
one would like to read the entire article.

Cheers
Terry

I see if and can get and post a copy.

...Jim Thompson

Many thanks.

Cheers
Terry

Turns out I can't. It's copyrighted and all that member-BS. You
*might* find it in a library.

...Jim Thompson

Hi Jim,

bummer. Thanks for trying though.

Cheers
Terry

I *may* be able to purloin a PDF, which I will distribute to
recipients willing to certify it's for their eyes only.

...Jim Thompson

Discretion is my middle name. OK, its actually leslie, but note the
commonality of vowels. My real email is pretty easy to figure out, and I
am quite happy to comply with your request. Many thanks.

Cheers
Terry

The underscore stays?

...Jim Thompson

Yep. It was a "good" idea at the time, but man has it confused some
people. oops.

Cheers
Terry

Spehro Pefhany · Feb 7, 2005

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:28:24 +1300, the renowned Terry Given
<my_name@ieee.org> wrote:

Yep. It was a "good" idea at the time, but man has it confused some
people. oops.

Cheers
Terry

You could always use:

<first_name_underscore_last_name@iee.org>

for your nom de guerre.

Jim:- I'd appreciate seeing a copy should you ever run across one.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

Terry Given · Feb 8, 2005

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:28:24 +1300, the renowned Terry Given
my_name@ieee.org> wrote:

Yep. It was a "good" idea at the time, but man has it confused some
people. oops.

Cheers
Terry

You could always use:

first_name_underscore_last_name@iee.org

for your nom de guerre.

Jim:- I'd appreciate seeing a copy should you ever run across one.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

Hi Spehro,

That would certainly work, but I wont for 2 reasons:

1) anyone who cant figure out my_name@ieee.org probably isnt worth
talking to

2) the real problem is giving the email addy to some technophobe (often
over the phone) who then asks "whats an underscore"

Cheers
Terry

Jim Thompson · Feb 9, 2005

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:14:13 -0800, John Larkin
<jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote:

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:31:23 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

I need a power-on reset that lasts around 5ms.

Process is CMOS

1.65V < VDD < 5.5V

Components available besides CMOS:

Lateral PNP
Vertical PNP
Caps up to 20pF
Resistors up to 1Meg

Suggestions?

...Jim Thompson

Why not just hold reset true as long as Vcc is below some level?

John

I need to time-out long enough that a charge-pump has reached maximum.

Charge-pump is regulated by controlling input, has no load other than
capacitance, so I can't sense CP voltage without disturbing things.

...Jim Thompson
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Jim Thompson · Feb 9, 2005

On 9 Feb 2005 08:06:53 -0800, "Tim Shoppa" <shoppa@trailing-edge.com>
wrote:

Suggestions?

Many of the recent Microchip PIC power-on-resets use a digital counter
internally. I'm guessing that they're working within confines similar
to what you have and also they're trying to keep power consumption
while asleep to a minimum and deal with brownout recovery. I don't
know the details but they must be taking on-chip clock in the 10's or
100's of kHz to tick everything along.

What requirements do you have regarding power consumption while asleep,
brownout recovery, ?

Tim.

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Spehro Pefhany · Feb 9, 2005

On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:31:23 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

I need a power-on reset that lasts around 5ms.

Process is CMOS

1.65V < VDD < 5.5V

Components available besides CMOS:

Lateral PNP
Vertical PNP
Caps up to 20pF
Resistors up to 1Meg

Suggestions?

...Jim Thompson

There are a lot of parts built in CMOS that do this, but very little
on how they do it internally. Here's one (first made by Microchip or
perhaps some company they bought):

http://www.national.com/ds/MC/MCP809.pdf
http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/11194c.pdf

It's basically what you want, except with a 200ms delay.

In Microchips' block diagram they show a bandgap reference, a
comparator and a delay circuit, just as you might expect.

Similar non-stand-alone functions that people have designed into chips
tend to be inferior to parts such as the above. Hopefully you can do
better!

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

Joerg · Feb 9, 2005

Hello Harry,

Your favorite oscillator and a 20 bit counter. ...

That is how I would do it, similar to a CD4060.

It may not need 20 bits. That would depend on the trade-off between die
area per pF for the oscillator capacitor and the real estate each
divider occupies. It also depends on how small a current can safely be
generated and used to charge and discharge that cap. 20pF seems pretty
fat for a chip.

Jim, maybe you can instead incorporate some nifty logic that holds down
the reset until the charge pump has reached the desired voltage level,
like x times battery level.

Regards, Joerg

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