EAGLE Netlist conversion

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:48:11 -0600, the renowned "Jim Douglas"
<james.douglas@genesis-software.com> wrote:

This is not the future, this is now. I am in the IT field and I am alarmed
at what information is available.

I recently saw a company had told it's employees to "Quit Smoking" or be
fired, they were going to use information from physicians to assure
compliance and on-site tests! I believe no one has the right to tell anyone
if they should smoke or not, now he does have the right to limit smoke
breaks during the day. What's next with this guy overweight, high-blood
pressure?

I sent an email to the owner of the company indicating that I would assist
financially with any lawsuit brought against him. This is one step away
from employers having access to your medical records, for example I have a
broken back, would a company refuse employment? I have been refused
employment due to age so I'm sure folks with cancer, kids with bad sickness,
high blood pressure, etc would keep some companies from hiring you!

Are there laws against companies wanting to see your medical records
as part of the hiring process? I'd want to see the maintenance records
before leasing an expensive piece of equipment.

It's refreshing to look at employment ads in places like Hong Kong
where they don't burden business with all this socialist stuff-
"wanted 23-25 year old attractive female office girl". Why not just
ask for what you want?


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[Robert]

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:xCv5GgC+fwFCFw95@jmwa.demon.co.uk...

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich The Philosophizer
rtp@example.net> wrote (in <pan.2005.02.19.02.11.15.818634@example.net
) about 'OT: Funny/Scary, Big Brother Watches', on Sat, 19 Feb 2005:

Everything that you perceive to be outside of yourself is actually a
reflection of something inside yourself.

What, then, are you the reflection of that is inside me? Can I have it
removed? (;-)

"Reality is what trips you when you walk around with your eyes closed."

Robert

 

[Rich The Philosophizer]

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:33:50 +0000, John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich The Philosophizer
rtp@example.net> wrote (in <pan.2005.02.19.02.11.15.818634@example.net
) about 'OT: Funny/Scary, Big Brother Watches', on Sat, 19 Feb 2005:

Everything that you perceive to be outside of yourself is actually a
reflection of something inside yourself.

What, then, are you the reflection of that is inside me? Can I have it
removed? (;-)

Well, I am merely a guest in your venue.

But, as far as identifying in yourself what has attracted me to your
reality, that's your prerogative. And it can be a delightful adventure.


Thanks,
Rich

for further information, please visit http://www.godchannel.com

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Robert <Robert@yahoo.com> wrote
(in <MFLRd.976$873.424@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net&gt about 'OT:
Funny/Scary, Big Brother Watches', on Sat, 19 Feb 2005:

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:xCv5GgC+fwFCFw95@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich The Philosophizer
rtp@example.net> wrote (in <pan.2005.02.19.02.11.15.818634@example.net
) about 'OT: Funny/Scary, Big Brother Watches', on Sat, 19 Feb 2005:

Everything that you perceive to be outside of yourself is actually a
reflection of something inside yourself.

What, then, are you the reflection of that is inside me? Can I have it
removed? (;-)

"Reality is what trips you when you walk around with your eyes closed."

True, but Rich is a bit too far away for me to trip over. Unless he's

achieved omnipresence, of course. (;-)
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Robert]

"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:xCv5GgC+fwFCFw95@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich The Philosophizer
rtp@example.net> wrote (in <pan.2005.02.19.02.11.15.818634@example.net
) about 'OT: Funny/Scary, Big Brother Watches', on Sat, 19 Feb 2005:

Everything that you perceive to be outside of yourself is actually a
reflection of something inside yourself.

What, then, are you the reflection of that is inside me? Can I have it
removed? (;-)

"Reality is what trips you when you walk around with your eyes closed."

True, but Rich is a bit too far away for me to trip over. Unless he's
achieved omnipresence, of course. (;-)

Just one of the standard rebuttals to Solipsism.

Unless you're a masochist. ;-)

Robert

 

[Jim Douglas]

You don't get it, this is a step away from your don't look good enough,
smoking, drinking off hours, and high blood pressure have nothing to do with
a great number of jobs today! Of course if you have no arms you can't get a
warehouse person expected to drive a fork lift! But if you were a smoker and
a fork-lift driver and could do the job it should not!



"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
news:ntqdnc7_jqHNzIrfRVn-pw@rcn.net...

Jim Douglas wrote:
...I have been refused
employment due to age so I'm sure folks with cancer, kids with bad
sickness,
high blood pressure, etc would keep some companies from hiring you!

Shouldn't a company be able to have a reasonable expectation that their
new
hires will be physically capable of doing the job? Companies aren't
welfare
institutions.

-Chuck

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:36:46 +1300, the renowned Barry Lennox
<rianz.15.barryl@neverbox.com> wrote:

I agree, but it's rather cynical for HK chinese to come to NZ and then
scream blue bloody murder about being discriminated against because of
their race!!

Barry Lennox

;-) Maybe that's why they left.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[Barry Lennox]

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:09:30 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:48:11 -0600, the renowned "Jim Douglas"
james.douglas@genesis-software.com> wrote:

This is not the future, this is now. I am in the IT field and I am alarmed
at what information is available.

I recently saw a company had told it's employees to "Quit Smoking" or be
fired, they were going to use information from physicians to assure
compliance and on-site tests! I believe no one has the right to tell anyone
if they should smoke or not, now he does have the right to limit smoke
breaks during the day. What's next with this guy overweight, high-blood
pressure?

I sent an email to the owner of the company indicating that I would assist
financially with any lawsuit brought against him. This is one step away
from employers having access to your medical records, for example I have a
broken back, would a company refuse employment? I have been refused
employment due to age so I'm sure folks with cancer, kids with bad sickness,
high blood pressure, etc would keep some companies from hiring you!

Are there laws against companies wanting to see your medical records
as part of the hiring process? I'd want to see the maintenance records
before leasing an expensive piece of equipment.

It's refreshing to look at employment ads in places like Hong Kong
where they don't burden business with all this socialist stuff-
"wanted 23-25 year old attractive female office girl". Why not just
ask for what you want?

I agree, but it's rather cynical for HK chinese to come to NZ and then
scream blue bloody murder about being discriminated against because of
their race!!

Barry Lennox

 

[:-: Ghost Chip :-:]

"Rich The Philosophizer" <rtp@example.net> wrote in message
newsan.2005.02.19.02.11.15.818634@example.net...

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 16:29:52 -0500, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:49:02 -0800, the renowned Chris Carlen
crobc@BOGUSFIELD.sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:02:35 -0700, the renowned Jim
Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:


http://www.adcritic.com/interactive/view.php?id=5927

...Jim Thompson


Very scary. And a lot of it is already happening.


Thanks to the Republicans.
Thanks to the Democrats.
Thanks to the Republicans.
Thanks to the Democrats.
Thanks to the Republicans.
Thanks to the Democrats.
Thanks to the Republicans.
Thanks to the Democrats.
...

It will only get worse, as long as we believe the government
is the
solution to all the problems caused by the government, and
all the other
problems too.

The government could certainly help by passing privacy laws
to prevent
certain types of sharing of information. Most large companies
will
obey at least the letter of the law and privacy will be
protected to
at some extent.

If there is no law against it, and there's a buck to be made,
someone
will do it, it's inevitable. Depends what kind of a world you
want to
live it. Maybe you've got nothing to hide, and you don't
mind, say,
getting approached by a dating company when your periodic
household
purchases of feminine hygiene products and cosmetics suddenly
cease.

A wise man once said: "If I am not the problem, there is no
solution."
Good day!

Everything that you perceive to be outside of yourself is
actually a
reflection of something inside yourself. The only way to know
what's
around you is through your perceptions, and all of your
perceptions
are inside you:
http://www.godchannel.com/reality.html

Cheers!
Rich

for further information, please visit
http://www.godchannel.com

Oh NO! From the way the world looks, I must really be screwed

up royal. What do I do now?
GC

 

[Robert]

"Jim Douglas" <james.douglas@genesis-software.com> wrote in message
news:nPOdnd4bD5nueIrfRVn-vQ@comcast.com...

You don't get it, this is a step away from your don't look good enough,
smoking, drinking off hours, and high blood pressure have nothing to do
with
a great number of jobs today! Of course if you have no arms you can't get
a
warehouse person expected to drive a fork lift! But if you were a smoker
and
a fork-lift driver and could do the job it should not!

A step back to more like it used to be. Drinking and smoking could get you
fired on moral grounds in a lot of places in the US. Though that was
enforced more on Women than Men. They also could get fired for wearing pants
and a lot of other reasons.

Robert

 

[Chuck Harris]

Jim Douglas wrote:

You don't get it, this is a step away from your don't look good enough,
smoking, drinking off hours, and high blood pressure have nothing to do with
a great number of jobs today! Of course if you have no arms you can't get a
warehouse person expected to drive a fork lift! But if you were a smoker and
a fork-lift driver and could do the job it should not!

I repeat: Shouldn't a company be able to have a *reasonable* expectation
that their new hires will be physically capable of doing the job? Companies
aren't welfare institutions.

Not having enough experience to do a job is also "a step away from your(sic) don't look
good enough"

-Chuck Harris

 

[Jim Douglas]

Because we were supposed to leave this stuff behind years ago.


"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message
newscle11d17toftrot65jvh5cmkr4qg41u6i@4ax.com...

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:48:11 -0600, the renowned "Jim Douglas"
james.douglas@genesis-software.com> wrote:

This is not the future, this is now. I am in the IT field and I am
alarmed
at what information is available.

I recently saw a company had told it's employees to "Quit Smoking" or be
fired, they were going to use information from physicians to assure
compliance and on-site tests! I believe no one has the right to tell
anyone
if they should smoke or not, now he does have the right to limit smoke
breaks during the day. What's next with this guy overweight, high-blood
pressure?

I sent an email to the owner of the company indicating that I would
assist
financially with any lawsuit brought against him. This is one step away
from employers having access to your medical records, for example I have
a
broken back, would a company refuse employment? I have been refused
employment due to age so I'm sure folks with cancer, kids with bad
sickness,
high blood pressure, etc would keep some companies from hiring you!

Are there laws against companies wanting to see your medical records
as part of the hiring process? I'd want to see the maintenance records
before leasing an expensive piece of equipment.

It's refreshing to look at employment ads in places like Hong Kong
where they don't burden business with all this socialist stuff-
"wanted 23-25 year old attractive female office girl". Why not just
ask for what you want?


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers:
http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers:
http://www.speff.com

 

[Robert]

"Supposed" is an item of faith.

And not all (most?) people share that faith.

Robert

"Jim Douglas" <james.douglas@genesis-software.com> wrote in message
newsvSdnfCFvosVI4TfRVn-hg@comcast.com...

Because we were supposed to leave this stuff behind years ago.


"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in message

It's refreshing to look at employment ads in places like Hong Kong
where they don't burden business with all this socialist stuff-
"wanted 23-25 year old attractive female office girl". Why not just
ask for what you want?

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

 

[Paul Rako]

POR circuits are NOT trivial to design. Many people
have crashed and burned using latches, 555 timers and
other schemes. This is why Maxim can get 50 cents for
a reset chip. I have been told by very smart people that
the only valid approach to a POR circuit is a transistor-
level approach. You have to have fully characterized
transistor models if you expect to SPICE it, macromodels
will not do. Be sure to exercise the circuit (reality preferred
to SPICE) for very slow as well as very fast power turn-on and
over a range of temperatures and loads. This is really a
design challenge so don't take it lightly.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Rich Grise wrote:

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:10:28 +0000, Paul Rako wrote:

POR circuits are NOT trivial to design. Many people
have crashed and burned using latches, 555 timers and
other schemes. This is why Maxim can get 50 cents for
a reset chip. I have been told by very smart people that
the only valid approach to a POR circuit is a transistor-
level approach. You have to have fully characterized
transistor models if you expect to SPICE it, macromodels
will not do. Be sure to exercise the circuit (reality preferred
to SPICE) for very slow as well as very fast power turn-on and
over a range of temperatures and loads. This is really a
design challenge so don't take it lightly.

What's wrong with a 1 uF cap from the POR pin to ground, with,
say, a 10K pullup?

Thanks,
Rich

If you ever had to troubleshoot equipment built that way you would
never ask that question. The VTR interfaces for a video editing system
at WACX in Orlando was designed for a reset generator chip, then they
left out the chip and used a crappy R/C reset. The equipment worked
when it was new but a couple years later it would only reset one out of
20 or more attempts. You could play around with the R/C values and make
it work for a couple weeks, but they finally agreed to let me mod the
equipment by stuffing the missing parts on the board and eliminated the
problems.


--
Beware of those who suffer from delusions of adequacy!

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:10:28 GMT, Paul Rako
<s_p_ortsterpa_u_l@yahoo.com> wrote:

POR circuits are NOT trivial to design.

Absolutely not, that's why I was asking.

Many people
have crashed and burned using latches, 555 timers and
other schemes. This is why Maxim can get 50 cents for
a reset chip. I have been told by very smart people that
the only valid approach to a POR circuit is a transistor-
level approach. You have to have fully characterized
transistor models if you expect to SPICE it, macromodels
will not do. Be sure to exercise the circuit (reality preferred
to SPICE) for very slow as well as very fast power turn-on and
over a range of temperatures and loads. This is really a
design challenge so don't take it lightly.

I'm at the device level.

I've found a solution I can't divulge at the moment, maybe in two
years, that tracks process corners and times relative to what needs
the reset.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:31:52 +0000 (UTC), kensmith@green.rahul.net
(Ken Smith) wrote:

In article <t9jm11p41336lqrgp8n8g7g5qatrkas8fs@4ax.com>,
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:
[...]
I've found a solution I can't divulge at the moment, maybe in two
years, that tracks process corners and times relative to what needs
the reset.

Add a clock monitor input so that you are sure that the system clock is
running before you drop the reset.

I assume you are using a MEMS relay and dashpot so adding a stepper relay
shouldn't be too hard.

--

ROTFLMAO ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Allan Herriman]

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:27:53 +0000 (UTC), kensmith@green.rahul.net
(Ken Smith) wrote:

In article <3h3m11p8e8elj9qficg6souakgqj0nqmui@4ax.com>,
Allan Herriman <allan.herriman.hates.spam@ctam.com.au.invalid> wrote:
[...]
A good reset generator will hold reset active for all values of supply
voltage below some threshold all the way down to zero volts,
regardless of dv/dt (except maybe for glitch filtering), and keep
reset active for a certain period (some tens to hundreds of ms) after
the voltage goes above the threshold.

Actually, a good one will hold reset until a number of cycles of the
system clock have gone by. Many parts must be clocked to reset correctly.

In my experience, ASICs that need reset to be active for a number of
clocks will have logic to implement that function internally. The
external reset signal will asynchronously reset two or three flip
flops which are usually arranged as a shift register, and the output
of this shift register is the synchronous reset for the rest of the
chip.
Even going back a quarter century, the Intel 8284 clock generator (for
the 8086) had logic to synchronise the reset to the system clock and
provide minimum pulse widths, etc.

I can't help feeling that a reset chip that's designed on some analog
process ('cause it needs accurate comparators and a reference) won't
be very good at handling a system clock that's the better part of a
GHz (as they are on my boards).


If you have any counter-examples, please list them. I'm always
willing to learn.

Regards,
Allan

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:51:06 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

Anyone have pointers on how to make your own screens for sand blasting
/ frosting glass?

All my surfing yields lots of commercial level equipment at $2K+

I have hand cut my own by printing onto stick-on labels, then cutting
out with an X-Acto knife.

However I have 60 pieces to do this time, making hand-cutting a wee
bit of a chore.

Thanks!

...Jim Thompson

There is some photo imagable stuff on the market. Google on "etching"
as well. Eg.

http://www.glass-etching-kits.com/mark-440.htm



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[Ken Smith]

In article <UgySd.4479$OU1.3607@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
Paul Rako <s_p_ortsterpa_u_l@yahoo.com> wrote:

POR circuits are NOT trivial to design. Many people
have crashed and burned using latches, 555 timers and
other schemes. This is why Maxim can get 50 cents for
a reset chip. I have been told by very smart people that
the only valid approach to a POR circuit is a transistor-
level approach. You have to have fully characterized
transistor models if you expect to SPICE it, macromodels
will not do.

I assume that these people were the same ones who would do this work.

By any chance do you work for Maxim?

There are quite a few chips (such as comparitors) that are well
characterized at low voltages.

You can often power parts of the reset circuit from the input side of the
regulator to ensure that it gets powered before Vcc appears.

If you want to be very sure of the Reset/ staying low during the supply
upswing, you can use a JFET as the output switch.

Some micro controllers have the reset circuit built in. If you follow the
manufactures recomendations on most of those, the results are correct.

The best and easiest way to do a brown out protection is to have the brown
out comparitor turn off the main power. If the Vcc regulator is broken or
the batteries too dead, this is the best thing to do. Running correct
code to some random point and then restarting it over and over is no
better than running bogus code.

Be sure to exercise the circuit (reality preferred
to SPICE) for very slow as well as very fast power turn-on and
over a range of temperatures and loads. This is really a
design challenge so don't take it lightly.

Funny you didn't include the power switch bounce case and the brown out
case in your suggested checks. These are more likely in real life.


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