Driver to drive?

[Bill Sloman]

On Monday, 1 February 2016 20:35:27 UTC+11, Joe Hey wrote:

On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 19:57:55 -0800 (PST)
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@gmail.com> wrote:

}snip{

We all make typo's.

Yes, and when you make a typo it's a typo, but when somebody else makes
a typo you're all over him explaining how dimwitted his 'English' is.

But you deserve it. Some people make exactly the same mistake twice, which does rule out a typographical error (more correctly, an "error of action") as an excuse.

Sorry, but you only have to thank yourself if people respond to this by
pointing out how dimwitted _your_ English can be.

I'm waiting.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

在 2003年12月31日星期三 UTC+8上午7:19:55，Kenjis Kaan写道：

What exactly are the names of those machines used for making
multilayer PCBs? I am referring to those professional machines
big companies such as IBM, HPs, Lucents etc use to manufacture
PCBs for their goods. How much do these things costs new? used?

Lastly, do they make scaled down version for the average hobbyist
to buy (I know u are all gonna fall on the floor and laugh).

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[Joe Hey]

On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 19:57:55 -0800 (PST)
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@gmail.com> wrote:

}snip{

> We all make typo's.

Yes, and when you make a typo it's a typo, but when somebody else makes
a typo you're all over him explaining how dimwitted his 'English' is.

Sorry, but you only have to thank yourself if people respond to this by
pointing out how dimwitted _your_ English can be.

}snipped farts{

joe

 

On Tuesday, December 30, 2003 at 6:33:53 PM UTC-5, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On 30 Dec 2003 15:19:55 -0800, the renowned tivolinewbie@canada.com
(Kenjis Kaan) wrote:

What exactly are the names of those machines used for making
multilayer PCBs? I am referring to those professional machines
big companies such as IBM, HPs, Lucents etc use to manufacture
PCBs for their goods. How much do these things costs new? used?

The bare multilayer boards are made from "pre-preg" by a whole bunch
of machines. Drilling machines, routing machines, photoresist
lamination machines, V-groove machines, inspection equipment, printing
equipment, plating lines, and lamination presses, hot air leveling
equipment, etc. etc. Automated assembly involves different equipment,
roomfuls of it.

Lastly, do they make scaled down version for the average hobbyist
to buy (I know u are all gonna fall on the floor and laugh).

Forget it.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

Absolutely true. I have been personally involved
in multilayer PCB manufacture in the recent past, and the work is semi-manual/partly labor
intensive. I am afraid the original poster does not have much knowledge about the process -- he/
she should look up an excellent set of white papers from Eurocircuits.

 

On Saturday, January 30, 2016 at 3:50:21 AM UTC-5, Tauno Voipio wrote:

On 30.1.16 08:19, dakupoto@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday, January 29, 2016 at 4:16:48 PM UTC-5, Tauno Voipio wrote:
On 29.1.16 18:54, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 08:45:21 -0800 (PST),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 11:30:38 PM UTC-5, daku...@gmail.com wrote:
Could some electronics guru point me to a working(i.e., correctly simulates) astable
multivibrator SPICE model with MOSFET only.
I have two working BJT based astable
multivibrator SPICE models. However, my
MOSFET based astable multivibrator model,
works as per hand calculation, but shows
no oscillations with a regular SPICE .TRAN
analysis. I have tried the standard SPICE
tricks, as having voltage pulses on some
nodes to kick start the oscillations, but
these have no effect. Any hints, suggestions
would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Usually setting a nonzero voltage as an initial condition on the timing capacitor will start it up...

Unless both mosfets settle down to saturated.

We need to see his circuit.


They will settle both on. The culprit is that there is no path for
the timing capacitor charging current on the gate side when the
gate is high. A MOS differs from a bipolar transistor or JFET
(and also a tube) that there is no current via the gate when the
transistor is turned fully on.

The following thing works. The charge path is via diodes D7 and D8
in the Basic version. The price to pay is that the transistors do
not turn fully on.

Version 4
SHEET 1 1104 1448
WIRE -160 -176 -256 -176
WIRE -16 -176 -160 -176
WIRE 304 -176 -16 -176
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WIRE 768 -144 768 -176
WIRE -16 -16 -16 -64
WIRE 48 -16 -16 -16
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WIRE 560 -16 192 -16
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WIRE 464 160 464 96
WIRE 464 160 416 160
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WIRE 768 160 768 -16
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WIRE 784 1024 784 976
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WIRE 784 1120 704 1120
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WIRE 208 1248 48 1248
WIRE 576 1248 576 1120
WIRE 736 1248 576 1248
WIRE 576 1296 576 1248
WIRE 624 1296 576 1296
WIRE 0 1312 0 1264
WIRE 784 1328 784 1264
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FLAG 880 160 Out1
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FLAG 784 1328 0
FLAG 0 1312 0
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SYMBOL nmos 720 304 R0
SYMATTR InstName M1
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SYMATTR Value 10k
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--

-TV

I think you have hit the nail on the head. As I
do not use LTSpice, but Ngspice, could you please
post your netlist in the form of my own netlist
(please see below):

Hope this is OK:

* /Users/tauno/Desktop/ltspice/mosmv.asc
M1 Out1 g1 0 0 2N7002
M2 N002 N004 0 0 2N7002
R1 N001 N002 1k
R2 N001 Out1 1k
R3 N003 N004 100k
R4 N003 g1 100k
D1 Out1 N003 1N4148
D2 N002 N003 1N4148
V1 N001 0 5
D3 g1 Out1 1N4148
D4 N004 N002 1N4148
R5 N001 N006 10k
R6 N001 N005 10k
D5 N005 Out1 1N4148
D6 N006 N002 1N4148
C1 N005 N004 1n
C2 g1 N006 1n
M3 Out2 g3 0 0 2N7002
M4 N007 N008 0 0 2N7002
R7 N001 N007 1k
R8 N001 Out2 1k
R9 N001 N008 100k
R10 N001 g3 100k
D8 g3 Out2 1N4148
D7 N008 N007 1N4148
C3 Out2 N008 1n
C4 g3 N007 1n
.model D D
.lib /Users/tauno/Library/Application Support/LTspice/lib/cmp/standard.dio
.model NMOS NMOS
.model PMOS PMOS
.lib /Users/tauno/Library/Application Support/LTspice/lib/cmp/standard.mos
.tran 1m
.ic V(g1)=3
.ic V(g3)=3
* Basic
* Complete
.backanno
.end

--

-TV

Thanks a lot -- your netlist, with some minor editing, works fine with both HSpice and Ngspice.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, 2 February 2016 18:33:08 UTC+11, Jamie M wrote:

On 1/30/2016 9:59 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

My irony meter just went off the scale.

ie. Bill Sloman falsehood 18323?:

"There's no evidence that viruses compete inside the body, and they
certainly don't interact."

That falsehood is easy to prove, just consider how new viruses can
be formed from factory farms, when an animals is infected by
multiple strains, there can be genetic transfer to make new strains.

You are probably thinking (if I can dignify the process with that title)
about bird flu viruses, which are so innocuous in birds
that they can have a resident population that dense enough that two
virus particles have a finite chance of being in the same cell
at the same time that both viruses decide to destroy the cell by turning
it into a virus factory.

Factory farms do keep lots of animals in close proximity, which does
maximise viral transfer. The human papillomavirus is a lot
less benign, and is typically cleared from the human system within a year.

Joey Hey was talking nonsense, and you are too dim to realise it. My claim > > might not have been decked out with all the reservations
required to make it absolutely true in all circumstances, but it isn't
any kind of falsehood, and your attempt to label is as one is a genuine
falsehood.

Not sure if anyone really cares what you write Bill,

I'm fairly sure they don't, in the same way that I'm fairly sure that the dangerous nonsense that you propagate isn't actually all that dangerous because you are so obviously ill-informed. I do feel an obligation to point out your anti-vaccination and anti-pasteurisation idiocies are potentially dangerous, but I'm well aware that it's not a useful way of spending my time.

> it is all the same crap, you are usually wrong and think you are never wrong > at the same time, and insult any chance you get.

You do comnfort yourself with the idea that I'm wrong, but even you must be aware that you peddling lunatic fringe delusions.

Really if you realize probably almost no one cares what you think that will
make things make sense more, cause why would anyone care what someone who
spends most of their effort insulting and spreading misinformation thinks?!

You spend more time spreading misinformation than you spend spreading insults, but you certainly aren't shy about proclaiming your rubbish as the revealed truth, or characterising those with enough sense to recognise it as rubbish as arrogant and mis-informed.

> Sorry, I can't take you seriously,

If you could, you wouldn't peddle as much nonsense.Sadly, you lack the wit to realsie wquite how nonsensical your output is.

> I think a lot of people already mute/block your messages.

Most people with enough sense to recognise that you mostly post utter rubbish aren't going to need to read my comments to that effect.

Your falsehoods and insults are your legacy, honour it with pride and
courage.

The "falsehoods" are what you believe to be false, and everybody else knows to be true. It may be insulting to characterise you as a half-wit, but accuracy demands nothing less.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Tuesday, 2 February 2016 19:16:34 UTC+11, Joe Hey wrote:

On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 23:54:05 -0800 (PST)
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, 2 February 2016 18:33:08 UTC+11, Jamie M wrote:
On 1/30/2016 9:59 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

My irony meter just went off the scale.

ie. Bill Sloman falsehood 18323?:

"There's no evidence that viruses compete inside the body, and
they certainly don't interact."

That falsehood is easy to prove, just consider how new viruses
can be formed from factory farms, when an animals is infected by
multiple strains, there can be genetic transfer to make new
strains.

You are probably thinking (if I can dignify the process with that
title) about bird flu viruses, which are so innocuous in birds
that they can have a resident population that dense enough that
two virus particles have a finite chance of being in the same cell
at the same time that both viruses decide to destroy the cell by
turning it into a virus factory.

Factory farms do keep lots of animals in close proximity, which
does maximise viral transfer. The human papillomavirus is a lot
less benign, and is typically cleared from the human system
within a year.

Joey Hey was talking nonsense, and you are too dim to realise it.
My claim might not have been decked out with all the
reservations required to make it absolutely true in all
circumstances, but it isn't any kind of falsehood, and your
attempt to label is as one is a genuine falsehood.

Not sure if anyone really cares what you write Bill,

I'm fairly sure they don't, in the same way that I'm fairly sure that
the dangerous nonsense that you propagate
isn't actually all that dangerous because you are so obviously ill-informed.
I do feel an obligation to point out your anti-vaccination and
anti-pasteurisation idiocies are potentially dangerous, but I'm well aware
that it's not a useful way of spending my time.

I have some titles of books for you to burn, if you really think
censure is in and freedom of thoughts and of expression is out.

You are perfectly free to peddle your nonsense, and I'm equally free to point that it's nonsense. The only censorship I'd endorse would involve you learning enough to realise what you are spreading is nonsense, so that you'd stop doing it of your own accord.

You seem to be of the opinion that mainstream medicine is the absolute
truth and that every other opinion should simply be oppressed as
dangerous. Now *that* is what I call dangerous, and history has
already proven me right in that.

Mainstream medicine gets it right most of the time, and you and Jamie don't..

Mainstream medicine is based on science, and science never claims to know the absolute truth. Some medical practitioners don't entirely realise this, but the Cochrane Collaboration is working on it.

http://www.cochrane.org/

Everybody has the right to his own nonsense opinion, even when he's
right.

But dissenting voices do get heard.

it is all the same crap, you are usually wrong and think you are
never wrong at the same time, and insult any chance you get.

You do comnfort yourself with the idea that I'm wrong, but even you
must be aware that you peddling lunatic fringe delusions.

At least your opinion that some opinions and speech should be
suppressed and others (especially yours) not, it already totally wrong.

Who is suppressing anything? You can post nonsense, and I can point out that it's nonsense. If you and Jamie learned a little more about the stuff you pontificate about, you'd probably be less vocal, but that seems unlikely.

Apparently you haven't resided in Holland long enough to know who
Erasmus was and why the freedoms he propagated were quite valuable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desiderius_Erasmus

His "In Praise of Folly" is reputed to have inspired Bertrand Russell's "In Praise of Idleness". Sadly, neither your foolishness, nor the intellectual idleness which allows you persist in that foolishness, is the kind of folly that Erasmus was advocating, nor the kind of idleness that Russell was advocating.

If the right to suppress opinions would have existed and you were either
1 a roman catholic, you would have killed all protestant 'heretics',
2 a protestant, you'd kill the roman catholics vice versa, and
3 I think you can fill in this one by yourself...

I think you are dignifying your stupid ideas into some kind of creed which would be worth suppressing. My "suppression" doesn't go any farther than pointing out that you are a half-wit, propagating half-witted ideas.

Really if you realize probably almost no one cares what you think
that will make things make sense more, cause why would anyone care
what someone who spends most of their effort insulting and
spreading misinformation thinks?!

You spend more time spreading misinformation than you spend spreading
insults, but you certainly aren't shy about proclaiming your rubbish
as the revealed truth, or characterising those with enough sense to
recognise it as rubbish as arrogant and mis-informed.

Sorry, I can't take you seriously,

If you could, you wouldn't peddle as much nonsense.Sadly, you lack
the wit to realise quite how nonsensical your output is.

One-dimensional people with the simplistic view that any opinion
that's not yours should be oppressed as dangerous, like you, simply
can't be taken seriously.

That's a one-dimensional characterisation. In fact I'm happy to let "a hundred flowers bloom", but I do object to noxious weeds being paraded as flowers.
Unfortunately for your sense of self-importance, you are just being identified as an idiot with silly ideas - which if taken seriously, could well be dangerous - and nobody is "oppressing" you.

Not from a scientific perspective, nor from a human perspective and
neither from a philosophical perspective.

As if you knew anything about any of them.

I think a lot of people already mute/block your messages.

Most people with enough sense to recognise that you mostly post utter
rubbish aren't going to need to read my comments to that effect.

Your falsehoods and insults are your legacy, honour it with pride
and courage.

The "falsehoods" are what you believe to be false, and everybody else
knows to be true. It may be insulting to characterise you as a
half-wit, but accuracy demands nothing less.

Speak for yourself Billy-'intellectually'-Sloman.
If 'everybody else' would think Jamie is wrong, then what's the use to
try to refute him so much as you do?
That just doesn't make sense.

Do learn to read. Jamie was talking about my "falsehoods" - which aren't his.
I refute his nonsense. He makes feeble attempts to contradict my assertions, and has been know to claim - unconvincingly - that these assertions are "falsehoods".

You've misunderstood what was being said, and it's your reaction that doesn't make sense.

> Your opinion, and probably only yours.

You are an optimist, but a sadly unrealistic and ignorant optimist.

But you're free to propagate your opinion, however frequently insulting it
may be, and so is Jamie, and I for that matter.

So kind of you to admit it.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Jamie M]

On 1/30/2016 9:59 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

My irony meter just went off the scale.

ie. Bill Sloman falsehood 18323?:

"There's no evidence that viruses compete inside the body, and they
certainly don't interact."

That falsehood is easy to prove, just consider how new viruses can
be formed from factory farms, when an animals is infected by
multiple strains, there can be genetic transfer to make new strains.

You are probably thinking (if I can dignify the process with that title) about bird flu viruses, which are so innocuous in birds

that they can have a resident population that dense enough that two
virus particles have a finite chance of being in the same cell
at the same time that both viruses decide to destroy the cell by turning
it into a virus factory.

Factory farms do keep lots of animals in close proximity, which does maximise viral transfer. The human papillomavirus is a lot
less benign, and is typically cleared from the human system within a year.

Joey Hey was talking nonsense, and you are too dim to realise it. My claim might not have been decked out with all the reservations

required to make it absolutely true in all circumstances, but it isn't
any kind of falsehood, and your attempt to label is as one is a genuine
falsehood.

Hi,

Not sure if anyone really cares what you write Bill, it is all the same
crap, you are usually wrong and think you are never wrong at the same
time, and insult any chance you get. Really if you realize probably
almost no one cares what you think that will make things make sense
more, cause why would anyone care what someone who spends most of their
effort insulting and spreading misinformation thinks?! Sorry can't take
you serious, I think a lot of people already mute/block your messages.

Your falsehoods and insults are your legacy, honour it with pride and
courage.

cheers,
Jamie

 

[Joe Hey]

On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 23:54:05 -0800 (PST)
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 2 February 2016 18:33:08 UTC+11, Jamie M wrote:
On 1/30/2016 9:59 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

My irony meter just went off the scale.

ie. Bill Sloman falsehood 18323?:

"There's no evidence that viruses compete inside the body, and
they certainly don't interact."

That falsehood is easy to prove, just consider how new viruses
can be formed from factory farms, when an animals is infected by
multiple strains, there can be genetic transfer to make new
strains.

You are probably thinking (if I can dignify the process with that
title) about bird flu viruses, which are so innocuous in birds
that they can have a resident population that dense enough that
two virus particles have a finite chance of being in the same cell
at the same time that both viruses decide to destroy the cell by
turning it into a virus factory.

Factory farms do keep lots of animals in close proximity, which
does maximise viral transfer. The human papillomavirus is a lot
less benign, and is typically cleared from the human system
within a year.

Joey Hey was talking nonsense, and you are too dim to realise it.
My claim > > might not have been decked out with all the
reservations required to make it absolutely true in all
circumstances, but it isn't any kind of falsehood, and your
attempt to label is as one is a genuine falsehood.

Not sure if anyone really cares what you write Bill,

I'm fairly sure they don't, in the same way that I'm fairly sure that
the dangerous nonsense that you propagate

I have some titles of books for you to burn, if you really think
censure is in and freedom of thoughts and of expression is out.

isn't actually all that
dangerous because you are so obviously ill-informed. I do feel an
obligation to point out your anti-vaccination and anti-pasteurisation
idiocies are potentially dangerous, but I'm well aware that it's not
a useful way of spending my time.

You seem to be of the opinion that mainstream medicine is the absolute
truth and that every other opinion should simply be oppressed as
dangerous. Now *that* is what I call dangerous, and history has
already proven me right in that.

Everybody has the right to his own nonsense opinion, even when he's
right.

it is all the same crap, you are usually wrong and think you are
never wrong > at the same time, and insult any chance you get.

You do comnfort yourself with the idea that I'm wrong, but even you
must be aware that you peddling lunatic fringe delusions.

At least your opinion that some opinions and speech should be
suppressed and others (especially yours) not, it already totally wrong.
Apparently you haven't resided in Holland long enough to know who
Erasmus was and why the freedoms he propagated were quite valuable.

If the right to suppress opinions would have existed and you were either
1 a roman catholic, you would have killed all protestant 'heretics',
2 a protestant, you'd kill the roman catholics vice versa, and
3 I think you can fill in this one by yourself...

Really if you realize probably almost no one cares what you think
that will make things make sense more, cause why would anyone care
what someone who spends most of their effort insulting and
spreading misinformation thinks?!

You spend more time spreading misinformation than you spend spreading
insults, but you certainly aren't shy about proclaiming your rubbish
as the revealed truth, or characterising those with enough sense to
recognise it as rubbish as arrogant and mis-informed.

Sorry, I can't take you seriously,

If you could, you wouldn't peddle as much nonsense.Sadly, you lack
the wit to realsie wquite how nonsensical your output is.

One-dimensional people with the simplistic view that any opinion
that's not yours should be oppressed as dangerous, like you, simply
can't be taken seriously.
Not from a scientific perspective, nor from a human perspective and
neither from a philosophical perspective.

I think a lot of people already mute/block your messages.

Most people with enough sense to recognise that you mostly post utter
rubbish aren't going to need to read my comments to that effect.

Your falsehoods and insults are your legacy, honour it with pride
and courage.

The "falsehoods" are what you believe to be false, and everybody else

Speak for yourself Billy-'intellectually'-Slowman.
If 'everybody else' would think Jamie is wrong, then what's the use to
try to refute him so much as you do?
That just doesn't make sense.

knows to be true. It may be insulting to characterise you as a
half-wit, but accuracy demands nothing less.

Your opinion, and probably only yours. But you're free to propagate
your opinion, however frequently insulting it may be, and so is Jamie,
and I for that matter.


joe

 

[Joe Hey]

Oh geez... I forgot the most important: historical perspective.

joe


On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 23:54:05 -0800 (PST)
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 2 February 2016 18:33:08 UTC+11, Jamie M wrote:
On 1/30/2016 9:59 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

My irony meter just went off the scale.

ie. Bill Sloman falsehood 18323?:

"There's no evidence that viruses compete inside the body, and
they certainly don't interact."

That falsehood is easy to prove, just consider how new viruses
can be formed from factory farms, when an animals is infected by
multiple strains, there can be genetic transfer to make new
strains.

You are probably thinking (if I can dignify the process with that
title) about bird flu viruses, which are so innocuous in birds
that they can have a resident population that dense enough that
two virus particles have a finite chance of being in the same cell
at the same time that both viruses decide to destroy the cell by
turning it into a virus factory.

Factory farms do keep lots of animals in close proximity, which
does maximise viral transfer. The human papillomavirus is a lot
less benign, and is typically cleared from the human system
within a year.

Joey Hey was talking nonsense, and you are too dim to realise it.
My claim > > might not have been decked out with all the
reservations required to make it absolutely true in all
circumstances, but it isn't any kind of falsehood, and your
attempt to label is as one is a genuine falsehood.

Not sure if anyone really cares what you write Bill,

I'm fairly sure they don't, in the same way that I'm fairly sure that
the dangerous nonsense that you propagate isn't actually all that
dangerous because you are so obviously ill-informed. I do feel an
obligation to point out your anti-vaccination and anti-pasteurisation
idiocies are potentially dangerous, but I'm well aware that it's not
a useful way of spending my time.

it is all the same crap, you are usually wrong and think you are
never wrong > at the same time, and insult any chance you get.

You do comnfort yourself with the idea that I'm wrong, but even you
must be aware that you peddling lunatic fringe delusions.

Really if you realize probably almost no one cares what you think
that will make things make sense more, cause why would anyone care
what someone who spends most of their effort insulting and
spreading misinformation thinks?!

You spend more time spreading misinformation than you spend spreading
insults, but you certainly aren't shy about proclaiming your rubbish
as the revealed truth, or characterising those with enough sense to
recognise it as rubbish as arrogant and mis-informed.

Sorry, I can't take you seriously,

If you could, you wouldn't peddle as much nonsense.Sadly, you lack
the wit to realsie wquite how nonsensical your output is.

I think a lot of people already mute/block your messages.

Most people with enough sense to recognise that you mostly post utter
rubbish aren't going to need to read my comments to that effect.

Your falsehoods and insults are your legacy, honour it with pride
and courage.

The "falsehoods" are what you believe to be false, and everybody else
knows to be true. It may be insulting to characterise you as a
half-wit, but accuracy demands nothing less.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, 3 February 2016 00:35:47 UTC+11, Joe Hey wrote:

On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 03:15:07 -0800 (PST)
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, 2 February 2016 19:16:34 UTC+11, Joe Hey wrote:

}snip{

Not from a scientific perspective, nor from a human perspective and
neither from a philosophical perspective.

As if you knew anything about any of them.

Tsk, you really are pathetic...

The real pathos lies in your claim to know anything about science or philosophy. You come across as an ignorant clown, who thinks that nobody but you has ever heard of Erasmus. Spinoza does deserves rather more attention, but Erasmus was respectable.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Joe Hey]

On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 03:15:07 -0800 (PST)
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 2 February 2016 19:16:34 UTC+11, Joe Hey wrote:

}snip{

Not from a scientific perspective, nor from a human perspective and
neither from a philosophical perspective.

As if you knew anything about any of them.

Tsk, you really are pathetic...

}snip{

joe

 

[Jon Elson]

On Tuesday, December 30, 2003 at 6:33:53 PM UTC-5, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On 30 Dec 2003 15:19:55 -0800, the renowned tivolinewbie@canada.com
(Kenjis Kaan) wrote:

What exactly are the names of those machines used for making
multilayer PCBs? I am referring to those professional machines
big companies such as IBM, HPs, Lucents etc use to manufacture
PCBs for their goods. How much do these things costs new? used?

Hot platen press? Vacuum press?
The bare multilayer boards are made from "pre-preg" by a whole bunch
of machines. Drilling machines, routing machines, photoresist
lamination machines, V-groove machines, inspection equipment, printing
equipment, plating lines, and lamination presses, hot air leveling
equipment, etc. etc. Automated assembly involves different equipment,
roomfuls of it.

Lastly, do they make scaled down version for the average hobbyist
to buy (I know u are all gonna fall on the floor and laugh).

Yes. Depending on your budget, there are benchtop hot platen presses for
smaller single boards, or presses that can be adapted to the purpose.
But, you need so much more stuff. You need a laser photoplotter (not a
laser printer, MUCH more accurate), a laminator for the dry film resist, an
exposing frame for the resist, developer for the resist (this one is quite
simple), a PCB etcher, an alignment punch to punch alignment holes in all
the laminate, then the hot press, then you have to drill the holes, usually
with an air-bearing high speed CNC drill. Then, you need to plate the
through holes with copper. There are a few processes, such as solder
resist, etched bare copper and then plate over it with electroless solder,
SMOBC and then solder dip to plate only the component pads, and so on.
Finally, solder mask for the production processes.

You need a whole SHOP full of gear to do this.

A commercial PCB shop will cost about a million dollars for a very small
one, and maybe 100 Million for a big one. A home shop could be set up for
maybe $10K, depending on you much you build yourself.

I built my own laser photoplotter for making the master artwork, managed to
get a dry film laminator cheap, and got a Kepro spray etcher out of the
dumpster at work. I can drill the boards on my CNC mill.

But, commercially-made boards are so cheap, today, I almost never use the
facility! (I do use it to make solder stencils, which are essentially PC
boards with no fiberglass substrate in the middle.)

Jon

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Feb 2016 19:18:21 -0600) it happened "Tim Williams"
<tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> wrote in <n8rkbn$kag$1@dont-email.me>:

Kind of an old design already, and very simple, but here's some shameless
product placement:
http://hybridautomotive.com/collections/all/products/prolong-intelligent-discharger

Disclosure: I designed the circuit and board, and recommended the
mechanicals for them. They did the rest.

Do I see correctly 2 fan openings?

Efficiency?

 

[Joe Hey]

On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 19:18:21 -0600
"Tim Williams" <tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> wrote:

Kind of an old design already, and very simple, but here's some
shameless product placement:
http://hybridautomotive.com/collections/all/products/prolong-intelligent-discharger

Disclosure: I designed the circuit and board, and recommended the
mechanicals for them. They did the rest.

For topical interest... it might be useful if you need an electronic
load. It's protected for over and under voltage, reverse, and has a
very flexible V(I) curve (including constant, or externally
programmed, if that's all you need).

Tim

I'm a bit ashamed to ask because it should be obvious for $659, but does
it count the Ah that it's withdrawing?

joe

 

[Tim Williams]

"Joe Hey" wrote in message
news:20160203091245.476711c1.joehey@mailinator.com...

I'm a bit ashamed to ask because it should be obvious for $659, but does
it count the Ah that it's withdrawing?

I don't think the panel meters they selected have that as an option
unfortunately, so you'd have to add that.

It's designed to drain the battery from an unknown (and probably poorly
balanced) state, so it's not a big deal for that. The current is also
largely constant, so if you monitor where it transitions into "let's be
careful, cells are emptying" territory, you'll have pretty much the
capacity from that cycle.

Tim

--
Seven Transistor Labs, LLC
Electrical Engineering Consultation and Contract Design
Website: http://seventransistorlabs.com

 

[Tim Williams]

"Jan Panteltje" wrote in message news:n8sec4$t3d$3@news.datemas.de...

Do I see correctly 2 fan openings?

Yes, the charge is burned off as waste heat.

Efficiency?

Approximately 100%, give or take. (Or, I suppose, negative in a sense,
as it requires AC power for the active circuitry, while burning all as
waste heat -- but that was a better option than trying to make it
self-powered over a wide range of discharge voltages, which would still
preclude the ability to go to 0A.)

Likewise, something actually "high efficiency" (say, 90% dumping into the
grid) would be terribly complicated, and much less safe (needing a careful
design, lots of testing, and UL approval). Or dumping into another
battery would be fine, but most users aren't expected to have that
available.

Tim

--
Seven Transistor Labs, LLC
Electrical Engineering Consultation and Contract Design
Website: http://seventransistorlabs.com

 

[Wond]

On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 11:53:37 -0600, Jon Elson wrote:

On Tuesday, December 30, 2003 at 6:33:53 PM UTC-5, Spehro Pefhany
wrote:
On 30 Dec 2003 15:19:55 -0800, the renowned tivolinewbie@canada.com
(Kenjis Kaan) wrote:

What exactly are the names of those machines used for making
multilayer PCBs? I am referring to those professional machines big
companies such as IBM, HPs, Lucents etc use to manufacture PCBs for
their goods. How much do these things costs new? used?

Hot platen press? Vacuum press?
The bare multilayer boards are made from "pre-preg" by a whole bunch
of machines. Drilling machines, routing machines, photoresist
lamination machines, V-groove machines, inspection equipment, printing
equipment, plating lines, and lamination presses, hot air leveling
equipment, etc. etc. Automated assembly involves different equipment,
roomfuls of it.

Lastly, do they make scaled down version for the average hobbyist to
buy (I know u are all gonna fall on the floor and laugh).
Yes. Depending on your budget, there are benchtop hot platen presses
for smaller single boards, or presses that can be adapted to the
purpose. But, you need so much more stuff. You need a laser
photoplotter (not a laser printer, MUCH more accurate), a laminator for
the dry film resist, an exposing frame for the resist, developer for the
resist (this one is quite simple), a PCB etcher, an alignment punch to
punch alignment holes in all the laminate, then the hot press, then you
have to drill the holes, usually with an air-bearing high speed CNC
drill. Then, you need to plate the through holes with copper. There
are a few processes, such as solder resist, etched bare copper and then
plate over it with electroless solder, SMOBC and then solder dip to
plate only the component pads, and so on. Finally, solder mask for the
production processes.

You need a whole SHOP full of gear to do this.

A commercial PCB shop will cost about a million dollars for a very small
one, and maybe 100 Million for a big one. A home shop could be set up
for maybe $10K, depending on you much you build yourself.

I built my own laser photoplotter for making the master artwork, managed
to get a dry film laminator cheap, and got a Kepro spray etcher out of
the dumpster at work. I can drill the boards on my CNC mill.

But, commercially-made boards are so cheap, today, I almost never use
the facility! (I do use it to make solder stencils, which are
essentially PC boards with no fiberglass substrate in the middle.)

Jon

Check out 'Voltera V-one', multilayer 3D printer. Might be ready soon?

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Feb 2016 04:24:57 -0600) it happened "Tim Williams"
<tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> wrote in <n8skcj$8qv$1@dont-email.me>:

"Jan Panteltje" wrote in message news:n8sec4$t3d$3@news.datemas.de...
Do I see correctly 2 fan openings?


Yes, the charge is burned off as waste heat.

Efficiency?


Approximately 100%, give or take. (Or, I suppose, negative in a sense,
as it requires AC power for the active circuitry, while burning all as
waste heat -- but that was a better option than trying to make it
self-powered over a wide range of discharge voltages, which would still
preclude the ability to go to 0A.)

Likewise, something actually "high efficiency" (say, 90% dumping into the
grid) would be terribly complicated, and much less safe (needing a careful
design, lots of testing, and UL approval). Or dumping into another
battery would be fine, but most users aren't expected to have that
available.

You could add a 'cellphone charger' output
Reading light.
Inductive cooking plate

 

[legg]

On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 04:24:57 -0600, "Tim Williams"
<tiwill@seventransistorlabs.com> wrote:

"Jan Panteltje" wrote in message news:n8sec4$t3d$3@news.datemas.de...
Do I see correctly 2 fan openings?


Yes, the charge is burned off as waste heat.

Efficiency?


Approximately 100%, give or take. (Or, I suppose, negative in a sense,
as it requires AC power for the active circuitry, while burning all as
waste heat -- but that was a better option than trying to make it
self-powered over a wide range of discharge voltages, which would still
preclude the ability to go to 0A.)

Likewise, something actually "high efficiency" (say, 90% dumping into the
grid) would be terribly complicated, and much less safe (needing a careful
design, lots of testing, and UL approval). Or dumping into another
battery would be fine, but most users aren't expected to have that
available.

Tim

I think you'd be surprised what people expect from a $600 electronic
device, and what can be delivered for that kind of sticker price.

The 'burn' might have been considered as a worst-case user-configured
option.

RL