Driver to drive?

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, 29 January 2016 21:45:24 UTC+11, Jamie M wrote:

On 1/28/2016 5:37 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

The strongest genetic link to schizophrenia that is currently
known is an neuron pruning immune related gene, and also in autism,
immune related neural pruning genes are also genetically linked.

schizophrenia immune system neural pruning genetic link:

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-01-genetic-first-ever-insight-biological-schizophrenia.html

Sure, but what do neural pruning genes have to do with vaccine adjuncts?

You may like to think that both are having the same effect, but in reality > > neural pruning is an essential part of
development, and any mutation that messes up the mechanism is pretty
much bound to make the brain work less well.

I realize you consider all the systems in the body to be separate,

What makes you think that?

but that is incorrect.

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-01-severe-maternal-inflammation-autism-like-behavior.html

"immune cells activated in the mother during severe inflammation produce
an immune effector molecule called IL-17 that appears to interfere with
brain development."

General brain development, during pregnancy. Neutral pruning happens quite a bit later, and is a lot more specific.

If vaccine adjuncts do have any effect, it will be a lot less specific and > > the neural development system will cope
with it as well as it would cope with any other assault (such as a
measles infection).

quote from the page:
"
The site in Chromosome 6 harboring the gene C4 towers far above other
risk-associated areas on schizophrenia's genomic "skyline," marking its
strongest known genetic influence.
"

So what? What has chromosome 6 got to vaccine adjuncts, or severe inflammation in the mother during pregnancy?

I'm afraid that you are babbling, rather than producing anything that looks even vaguely like a coherent argument.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, 29 January 2016 14:18:47 UTC+11, jurb...@gmail.com wrote:

"Antidepressants have to change the nervous system to work at all.
Vaccines have no direct effect on the nervous system. You have this
theory that they (vaccines)can, sometimes, but if it does happen it seems to > > be too rare to show up as statistically significant. "

Damn, sorry I thought you had good schools down there. Antidepressants must effect a change in brain chemistry. the nerves running up down your arms and legs got not a fucking thing to do with it.

But all the nerves are built the same way.

> Also note that Jamie is quoting things from a dot gov.

But not understanding what he's quoting. Neural pruning happens in adolescence and early adult life, and it's very specific. It seems to go wrong in autism but that seems to be a congenitial defect - you are conceived with duff genes and your brain doesn't develop quite as it should.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, 29 January 2016 22:40:24 UTC+11, Jamie M wrote:

On 1/28/2016 11:36 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, 29 January 2016 16:55:20 UTC+11, Joe Hey wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:14:07 -0800 (PST)
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@gmail.com> wrote:

snipped Joey Hey being as moronic as ever

No. It's a moronic misapprehension about how virus infection works,
and what viruses exist to do.

If one virus strain gets blocked, another strain takes over.
And probably with a vengeance.

Really? If I get innoculated against one strain of flu, does a new strain
spring up immediately to give me a different strain of flu?

Pretty much, since being infected by a single flu virus is not what
actually occurs, really there is a group of viruses that cause
the infection.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v437/n7062/full/nature04239.html

They do have to generate enough variation to become antigenically distinct, so that the vaccine which works against one group of strains will work less well against the new group, and that doesn't happen often even with flu, which is relatively fast-mutating.

Most mutations don't make a scrap of difference - flu has 2,821,103 nucleotides - and the only ones that matter to it's antigenic properties are those that control the protein packages that injects the RNA content into the host cell, and subsequently get it out again after the host cell has replicated it. Hemagglutinin (HA) and neuraminidase (NA) are the two large glycoproteins on the outside of the viral particles.

If you want to pose as an expert it's useful to confine your bursts of expertise to explanations of significant differences, rather than pointlessly observing that reality is more complicated than has been set out - although the complication doesn't make any difference in practice.

--
Bill Sloman, Sysdney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, 29 January 2016 21:19:28 UTC+11, Jamie M wrote:

On 1/28/2016 5:17 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, 29 January 2016 09:09:17 UTC+11, Jamie M wrote:
On 1/28/2016 12:00 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, 28 January 2016 18:22:24 UTC+11, Jamie M wrote:
Really this is the only line you need to read to at least have some
doubt on vaccine safety:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26778424

"To date most human vaccine trials utilize aluminum (Al) adjuvants as
placebos despite much evidence showing that Al in vaccine-relevant
exposures can be toxic to humans and animals."

It's the only line you have to believe to have some doubts. Granting the > >>>enthusiasm of the medical profession for
making their patients anxious, frequently for no good reason, I'd look
for rather more persuasive evidence than
experiments carried out by medical doctors on mice.,

Here's some more info about the dangers of Gardasil and Cervarix
HPV vaccines from the American College of Pediatricians:

http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/health-issues/new-concerns-about-the-human-papillomavirus-vaccine

(site undergoing maintenance as of this post)

"The American College of Pediatricians has stated it has serious
concerns about the connection between HPV vaccines Gardasil and Cervarix
and premature menopause and that it wants parents and physicians to know
of their concerns."

"They have notified the vaccine makers and federal health officials and
asked them to investigate further and do the research that was never
done - using a real placebo not aluminum and Polysorbate 80."

Of course the paper also includes the line "Adverse events that occur after vaccines are frequently
not caused by the vaccine and there has not been a noticeable rise in
POF cases in the last 9 years since HPV4 vaccine has been widely used."

You didn't see fit to quote that, and it makes nonsense of all the anxiety-making blather that you did quote.


Hi,

The American College of Pediatricians wrote this with input from
scientists as well as vaccine proponents, so there are parts of the
text that say vaccines are probably ok, and then another part that gets
the real science across showing the dangers of Gardasil.

Here is an unbiased scientific quote from the article, showing
the association with Gardasil and ovarian dysfunction.

What's "unbiased" about it, and how does it show the - imagined - association.

"Many adolescent females are vaccinated with influenza, meningococcal,
and tetanus vaccines without getting GardasilŽ, and yet only 5.6% of
reports related to ovarian dysfunction since 2006 are associated with
such vaccines in the absence of simultaneous GardasilŽ administration.
The overwhelming majority (76%) of VAERS reports since 2006 with ovarian
failure, premature menopause, and/or amenorrhea are associated solely
with GardasilŽ. When VAERS reports since 2006 are restricted to cases in
which amenorrhea occurred for at least 4 months and is not associated
with other known causes like polycystic ovary syndrome or pregnancy,
86/89 cases are associated with GardasilŽ, 3/89 with CervarixTM, and
0/89 with other vaccines administered independently of an HPV vaccine.5
Using the same criteria, there are only 7 reports of amenorrhea from
1990 through 2005 and no more than 2 of those associated with any one
vaccine type."

There are politically written sections of the article, as you point
out but that just shows the debate around vaccines.

"Debate"? What you've posted is typical pseudo-stastical gibberish. There are a total of 89 cases (out of the millions vaccinated) and the goof quotes the numbers of cases associated with a particular vaccine without spelling out the number of doses of each particular vaccine administered.

Even you should have been able to notice the obvious error there.

Pediatricians make money by vaccines being administered too, so it
is nice to see that they still are willing to tell the truth about
their concerns with them.

That is one way of looking at that article, and one that suites your foolish preconceptions. A more sensible appreciation would see it as written by lawyers as a way letting the pediatricians claim that if anything ever did go wrong, they'd said that it might.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Saturday, 30 January 2016 00:37:37 UTC+11, Joe Hey wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 05:09:57 -0800 (PST)
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@gmail.com> wrote:

}snip{

It seems to go wrong in autism but that seems to be a congenitial defect

}snip{

That is such a fake argument...

If there are so many children with autistic spectrum disorder and
almost *all* their parents are doing just fine, then where are those
'duff genes' supposed to come from?

Humans, and in fact all the primates have Alu sequences all over their genonome

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alu_element

In humans about 10.7% of the genome consists of them. It is estimated that there is about one new Alu insert per 20 human births, leading to about one in every 1,000 new human genetic diseases.

A lot of genetic disease represents a new fault in the genetic code, rather the than the unfortunate combination of two defective recessive genes. Now that gene sequencing has become cheap enough to be applied widely, we've become aware of this, even if you hadn't heard about it until now. The professor of Pediatric Neurology at Nijmegen (who was the husband of the - female - left wing of my hockey team) got talking about it once.

> Autistic milk man perhaps?

There are other explanations. Do some reading and you may come across them.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Saturday, 30 January 2016 00:12:52 UTC+11, Joe Hey wrote:

On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 23:36:13 -0800 (PST)
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, 29 January 2016 16:55:20 UTC+11, Joe Hey wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:14:07 -0800 (PST)
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@gmail.com> wrote:

snipped Joey Hey being as moronic as ever

No. It's a moronic misapprehension about how virus infection
works, and what viruses exist to do.

If one virus strain gets blocked, another strain takes over.
And probably with a vengeance.

Really? If I get innoculated against one strain of flu, does a new
strain spring up immediately to give me a different strain of flu?

Not immediately, bonehead.

That the point I was making.

<snip>

Sure, and let them make up their own minds about when they can drive
a car well enough to go out on the road. Vaccination doesn't just
affect your own health, but also the health of everybody your might
infect if you got sick.

Having to have your car maintained properly can in no way damage your
health.

Choosing to start driving before your skills are good enough can kill you and anybody you run into.

Having all kinds of live virii, cancer virii, inherently toxic
adjuvants injected in your blood can, and sometimes does cause great
damage, where the chance of damage from the target disease was small
anyway (as in chicken pox, measles).

The chance of death from measles was about one in 1000 infections in the US and the UK after pneumonia stopped being a fatal complication of measles.

Vaccination isn't that dangerous.

I demand freedom of choice for that kind of questionable medical
procedures.

Sure. And everybody else demands that your lunatic delusions aren't allowed to endanger them.

You exaggerate.
In Denmark some doctors *are* warning their (until now playing deaf)
health authorities that there is an increased number of cases of
girls with very serious CFS-like symptoms caused by the HPV-jab.

Cite.

I don't have to. I'm mentioning it to you, and if you don't want to
know then by all means DON'T look for it.

The problem is that you've almost certainly made a mistake - I know it, and anybody who has read many of your posts will too. I'm not going to go to trouble of finding out that you've misunderstood something - again.

I have mentioned this before, and I have posted the youtube link to the
documentary in which some of those doctors actually are interviewed and
say exactly the things that I mentioned.

Who takes You Tube seriously? Find a properly published report, or shut up.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Saturday, 30 January 2016 01:24:42 UTC+11, Joe Hey wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 06:15:41 -0800 (PST)
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@gmail.com> wrote:

On Saturday, 30 January 2016 00:37:37 UTC+11, Joe Hey wrote:

}snip{

Autistic milk man perhaps?

There are other explanations. Do some reading and you may come across
them.


Ah, found it: Postman!

Trust Joey. Tell him what's really going on and he snips the explanation and posts a trivial variation on his previous - wrong - answer.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Jamie M]

On 1/28/2016 5:17 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Friday, 29 January 2016 09:09:17 UTC+11, Jamie M wrote:
On 1/28/2016 12:00 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, 28 January 2016 18:22:24 UTC+11, Jamie M wrote:
Really this is the only line you need to read to at least have some
doubt on vaccine safety:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26778424

"To date most human vaccine trials utilize aluminum (Al) adjuvants as
placebos despite much evidence showing that Al in vaccine-relevant
exposures can be toxic to humans and animals."

It's the only line you have to believe to have some doubts. Granting the enthusiasm of the medical profession for
making their patients anxious, frequently for no good reason, I'd look
for rather more persuasive evidence than
experiments carried out by medical doctors on mice.


Hi,

Here's some more info about the dangers of Gardasil and Cervarix
HPV vaccines from the American College of Pediatricians:

http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/health-issues/new-concerns-about-the-human-papillomavirus-vaccine

(site undergoing maintenance as of this post)

"The American College of Pediatricians has stated it has serious
concerns about the connection between HPV vaccines Gardasil and Cervarix
and premature menopause and that it wants parents and physicians to know
of their concerns."

"They have notified the vaccine makers and federal health officials and
asked them to investigate further and do the research that was never
done - using a real placebo not aluminum and Polysorbate 80."

Of course the paper also includes the line "Adverse events that occur after vaccines are frequently

not caused by the vaccine and there has not been a noticeable rise in
POF cases in the last 9 years since HPV4 vaccine has been widely used."

You didn't see fit to quote that, and it makes nonsense of all the anxiety-making blather that you did quote.

Hi,

The American College of Pediatricians wrote this with input from
scientists as well as vaccine proponents, so there are parts of the
text that say vaccines are probably ok, and then another part that gets
the real science across showing the dangers of Gardasil.

Here is an unbiased scientific quote from the article, showing
the association with Gardasil and ovarian dysfunction.

"Many adolescent females are vaccinated with influenza, meningococcal,
and tetanus vaccines without getting GardasilŽ, and yet only 5.6% of
reports related to ovarian dysfunction since 2006 are associated with
such vaccines in the absence of simultaneous GardasilŽ administration.
The overwhelming majority (76%) of VAERS reports since 2006 with ovarian
failure, premature menopause, and/or amenorrhea are associated solely
with GardasilŽ. When VAERS reports since 2006 are restricted to cases in
which amenorrhea occurred for at least 4 months and is not associated
with other known causes like polycystic ovary syndrome or pregnancy,
86/89 cases are associated with GardasilŽ, 3/89 with CervarixTM, and
0/89 with other vaccines administered independently of an HPV vaccine.5
Using the same criteria, there are only 7 reports of amenorrhea from
1990 through 2005 and no more than 2 of those associated with any one
vaccine type."

There are politically written sections of the article, as you point
out but that just shows the debate around vaccines.

Pediatricians make money by vaccines being administered too, so it
is nice to see that they still are willing to tell the truth about
their concerns with them.

cheers,
Jamie

 

[Jamie M]

On 1/28/2016 5:37 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

The strongest genetic link to schizophrenia that is currently
known is an neuron pruning immune related gene, and also in autism,
immune related neural pruning genes are also genetically linked.

schizophrenia immune system neural pruning genetic link:

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-01-genetic-first-ever-insight-biological-schizophrenia.html

Sure, but what do neural pruning genes have to do with vaccine adjuncts?

You may like to think that both are having the same effect, but in reality neural pruning is an essential part of

development, and any mutation that messes up the mechanism is pretty
much bound to make the brain work less well.

Hi,

I realize you consider all the systems in the body to be separate, but
that is incorrect.

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-01-severe-maternal-inflammation-autism-like-behavior.html

"immune cells activated in the mother during severe inflammation produce
an immune effector molecule called IL-17 that appears to interfere with
brain development."

cheers,
Jamie

If vaccine adjuncts do have any effect, it will be a lot less specific and the neural development system will cope

with it as well as it would cope with any other assault (such as a
measles infection).

quote from the page:
"
The site in Chromosome 6 harboring the gene C4 towers far above other
risk-associated areas on schizophrenia's genomic "skyline," marking its
strongest known genetic influence.
"

 

[Jamie M]

On 1/28/2016 6:14 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

> Lobbying works on legislatures. You can't "lobby" the FDA. The pharmaceutical companies can try and pressure the
FDA and other regulatory agencies, but if they get too obvious about it
the newspapers get told about it and there's a scandal.
>

Hi,

The drug companies already figured out it is easier to avoid
lobbying the FDA, instead they "drug" up the FDA with pharmaceutical
insiders which is what they are good at, by using the government
industry revolving door.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolving_door_%28politics%29

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-places-hold-on-fda-nominee?amp;amp;amp

"WASHINGTON, Jan. 26 – Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) announced today that
he has placed a hold on Food and Drug Administration Commissioner
nominee Dr. Robert Califf because of his close ties to the
pharmaceutical industry and lack of commitment to lowering drug prices.
Sanders joins with Sen. Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.), who also placed a
hold on Califf’s nomination.

“Dr. Califf’s extensive ties to the pharmaceutical industry give me no
reason to believe that he would make the FDA work for ordinary
Americans, rather than just the CEOs of pharmaceutical companies,”
Sanders reiterated.

Califf has deeper ties to the pharmaceutical industry than any FDA
commissioner in recent history. He ran a multimillion-dollar clinical
research center at Duke University that received more than 60 percent of
its funding from the pharmaceutical and medical device industry. And his
financial disclosure form last year listed seven drug companies and a
device maker that paid him for consulting and six others – including
Merck, Novartis and Eli Lilly – which supported his university salary.
"

cheers,
Jamie

 

[Jamie M]

On 1/28/2016 11:36 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Friday, 29 January 2016 16:55:20 UTC+11, Joe Hey wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:14:07 -0800 (PST)
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@gmail.com> wrote:

snipped Joey Hey being as moronic as ever

No. It's a moronic misapprehension about how virus infection works,
and what viruses exist to do.

If one virus strain gets blocked, another strain takes over.
And probably with a vengeance.

Really? If I get innoculated against one strain of flu, does a new strain spring up immediately
to give me a different strain of flu?

Hi,

Pretty much, since being infected by a single flu virus is not what
actually occurs, really there is a group of viruses that cause
the infection.

cheers,
Jamie

 

On Thursday, January 28, 2016 at 11:30:38 PM UTC-5, daku...@gmail.com wrote:

Could some electronics guru point me to a working(i.e., correctly simulates) astable
multivibrator SPICE model with MOSFET only.
I have two working BJT based astable
multivibrator SPICE models. However, my
MOSFET based astable multivibrator model,
works as per hand calculation, but shows
no oscillations with a regular SPICE .TRAN
analysis. I have tried the standard SPICE
tricks, as having voltage pulses on some
nodes to kick start the oscillations, but
these have no effect. Any hints, suggestions
would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Usually setting a nonzero voltage as an initial condition on the timing capacitor will start it up...

 

[Joe Hey]

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 01:48:43 -0800 (PST)
jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:

"Yeah, with the same dedication as Monsanto tested her
glyphosate-resistant GMO corn and didn't find any adverse health
effects in her rats study of, what was it, 6 weeks?
Then a real researcher passes by, does the same safety study over
again, but then for a slightly longer period, and lo-and-behold: the
rats start developing cancer, all kinds of birth defects, spontaneous
abortions, infertility and what not. "

Yeah I remember about that. they hand picked a guy and got him into a
position to "unpublish" that study claiming it was not done
"according to Hoyle". Strangely though, there has been ZERO research
offered up that refutes it in any way. All they could come up with
was some very minor issues with the procedure.

He did not 'unpublish' the study, it was Elsevier who, against their
own rules regarding retraction of articles, retracted it anyway.
And put a ex-Monsanto 'supervisory editor' in place to prevent that
kind of papers to be published ever again.

The professor, Seralini is his name, did some legal fighting and won
the case and I donated some money in support for his legal costs.
In that chronological order by the way.

Because his paper was 'unpublished' by Elsevier, he was able to submit
it to another peer reviewed (IIRC) journal and got it 're-published'
there. Rightfully so IYAM (how about that one .

joe

 

[Joe Hey]

On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 23:36:13 -0800 (PST)
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, 29 January 2016 16:55:20 UTC+11, Joe Hey wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:14:07 -0800 (PST)
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@gmail.com> wrote:

snipped Joey Hey being as moronic as ever

No. It's a moronic misapprehension about how virus infection
works, and what viruses exist to do.

If one virus strain gets blocked, another strain takes over.
And probably with a vengeance.

Really? If I get innoculated against one strain of flu, does a new
strain spring up immediately to give me a different strain of flu?

Not immediately, bonehead.

Influenza is a fast-mutating virus, and it can't manage that.

}snip{

Yeah, that goes like this:
Hey YOU! Move over! WE want to eradicate a virus so YOU should
submit and just take that jab! No choice! No liability if
something goes wrong, and if it goes wrong then it couldn't
have come from the vaccine, because "vaccines are just safe
(TM)".

Innoculation isn't "safe"

Then let people decide for their own whether they want to get
vaccinated or not.

- it's just a lot less dangerous than
getting the disease. Everybody seems to be happy with admitting
liability when something does go wrong, but that doesn't extend to
accepting liability for something that probably would have gone
wrong at the same time and in the same way if the vaccination
hadn't happened.

Sure, and let them make up their own minds about when they can drive
a car well enough to go out on the road. Vaccination doesn't just
affect your own health, but also the health of everybody your might
infect if you got sick.

Having to have your car maintained properly can in no way damage your
health.

Having all kinds of live virii, cancer virii, inherently toxic
adjuvants injected in your blood can, and sometimes does cause great
damage, where the chance of damage from the target disease was small
anyway (as in chicken pox, measles).

I demand freedom of choice for that kind of questionable medical
procedures.

}snip{

CFS and related debilitating conditions are not 'generally
recognised' and are therefore not accepted nor counted as
adverse side effects. So they are, very conveniently, not
counted as side effects.

Chronic fatigue syndrome is recognised as a debilating condition.
It has a recognised set of symptoms. It takes a while before they
can be recognised as a syndrome. By now, enough people have been
immunised against HPV to generate an increase in the incidence of
the syndrome if the vaccination did make it more likely. Nobody
is talking about any epidemic of chronic fatigue syndrome

You exaggerate.
In Denmark some doctors *are* warning their (until now playing deaf)
health authorities that there is an increased number of cases of
girls with very serious CFS-like symptoms caused by the HPV-jab.

Cite.

I don't have to. I'm mentioning it to you, and if you don't want to
know then by all means DON'T look for it.

I have mentioned this before, and I have posted the youtube link to the
documentary in which some of those doctors actually are interviewed and
say exactly the things that I mentioned.

But of course, you don't even want to know that.
Are you that interested in the facts that you did watch that
documentary already? Lemme guess... no.

BTW, here's the video (again):

youtube.com/watch?v=lBE90cgcsMU

joe

 

[Joe Hey]

On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 23:07:02 -0800 (PST)
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@gmail.com> wrote:

}snip{

Since you introduced an irrelevant figure, and persistently snip the
link to

}snip{

You also do that all the time, so what's the point now?

joe

 

[Joe Hey]

Just for your information: I tagged this post as 'nice rant'

joe


On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 02:05:30 -0800 (PST)
jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:

"> And many of the so called 'hits' are also a fraud.

How many? Cite a study. Your "impressions" are little too
predictable to be taken seriously. "

Study the TV in the US. First you get an ad saying "Ask your doctor
if killyastine is right for you" and then list of side effects so
long you forget what the drug is supposed to treat. (NOT CURE, TREAT)

Then comes the lawyer commercials with the class action lawsuits. If
you understand US law, you know that class action lawsuits fuck
people over by limiting liability of the drug pushers. Speaking of
drug pushers, I have never had anyone on TV or call me on the phone
trying to sell me pot or coke or ay of that. But on TV about 20 % of
the ads are for drugs.

Then comes the people who buy out structured settlements. See, in a
class action usually their offer is a monthly stipend, you don't even
get the fucking money. You borrow it from J G Wentworth or his ilk.

There are huge amounts of money involved.

Someone in a country with socialised medicine cannot possibly begin
to understand how the medical and drug industries are here. We have
every right and good reason to not trust them. They are scum who will
poison millions of people for the bottom line. they have lawyers of
staff that interact with doctors and accountants to figure out if it
is profitable to market a dangerous drug. If we get caught, will it
cost us more than we made ? That is the only fucking question on
their mind.

It is common knowledge here to anyone with open eyes. Maybe these
foreigners who think they know what is best for us should come here.
First of all you scared of guns ? Move to Detroit. You think you can
trust doctors or drug countries, come to our hospitals. You think you
can trust our government ? Go talk to some people down in Tuskeegee.
Oh, you can't because they died of syphillis just so the government
could see how the disease progresses if allowed to. But those people
were Black, no better than your "Abos" so it doesn't matter.

Because they lacked the wherewithall to sue.

 

[Joe Hey]

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 02:52:54 -0800
Jamie M <jmorken@shaw.ca> wrote:

}snip{

"WASHINGTON, Jan. 26 – Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) announced today
that he has placed a hold on Food and Drug Administration
Commissioner nominee Dr. Robert Califf because of his close ties to
the pharmaceutical industry and lack of commitment to lowering drug
prices. Sanders joins with Sen. Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.), who also
placed a hold on Califf’s nomination.

“Dr. Califf’s extensive ties to the pharmaceutical industry give me
no reason to believe that he would make the FDA work for ordinary
Americans, rather than just the CEOs of pharmaceutical companies,”
Sanders reiterated.

Califf has deeper ties to the pharmaceutical industry than any FDA
commissioner in recent history. He ran a multimillion-dollar clinical
research center at Duke University that received more than 60 percent
of its funding from the pharmaceutical and medical device industry.
And his financial disclosure form last year listed seven drug
companies and a device maker that paid him for consulting and six
others – including Merck, Novartis and Eli Lilly – which supported
his university salary. "

cheers,
Jamie

They should take a good look at the guy(s) who nominated him...

joe

 

On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 1:19:23 AM UTC-5, Jamie M wrote:

Hi,

Quotes from the study:

"Vaccine adjuvants and vaccines may induce autoimmune and inflammatory
manifestations in susceptible individuals"

"To date most human vaccine trials utilize aluminum (Al) adjuvants as
placebos despite much evidence showing that Al in vaccine-relevant
exposures can be toxic to humans and animals"

link to the study:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26778424

cheers,
Jamie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C57BL/6

Aluminum is mostly safe:
http://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-ingredients/aluminum#.VquusbIrLIU

 

[Joe Hey]

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 05:09:57 -0800 (PST)
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@gmail.com> wrote:

}snip{

> It seems to go wrong in autism but that seems to be a congenitial defect

}snip{

That is such a fake argument...

If there are so many children with autistic spectrum disorder and
almost *all* their parents are doing just fine, then where are those
'duff genes' supposed to come from?

Autistic milk man perhaps?

joe

 

[Joe Hey]

On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 06:15:41 -0800 (PST)
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Saturday, 30 January 2016 00:37:37 UTC+11, Joe Hey wrote:

}snip{

Autistic milk man perhaps?

There are other explanations. Do some reading and you may come across
them.

Ah, found it: Postman!

joe