Driver to drive?

[Rich The Philosophizer]

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 09:56:15 +1300, Terry Given wrote:

Fred Bloggs wrote:



John Larkin wrote:



I know more than a few people who are frustrated to the point of so
much anxiety, depression, and distraction over the election and four
more years of Bush that they need therapy. I have never in my life
seen this level of discontent over a Presidential election. There is
a very serious and large scale problem here.


You really should get out more.




We went out for coffee and pastries this morning (in San Francisco). A
guy walked in and the lady behind the counter said "How are you
today?" and he said he was beginning to get over his depression.
Others chimed in; I kept quiet.

This is funny:

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/11/07/MNGQO9NJOK1.DTL



"Of the eight patients San Francisco psychotherapist Frances Verrinder
saw Wednesday, seven were upset and frightened to the point of tears."

"Vicki Cormack found her neighbor on her knees, weeping. Ron Armstrong
of San Francisco is waiting for his upstairs tenant to come out of his
depression so he can ask him for the rent check."

"suicide by dessert."


John


Here is a suicide by shotgun:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/07/ground.zero.suicide.ap/index.html


Right, thats one less pathetic wanker whos too feeble to deal with what
is, rather than what he thinks should be. Up goes the national average IQ.

Personally, I feel that every encouragement should be given to those who
wish to kill themselves. Hell, turn it into a reality TV show for all I
care. Few things are funnier than the illegality of suicide (technically
the illegality of attempted suicide). I am especially amused by all the
(expensive) efforts to return suicidal people to the land of the living,
then keep them there. talk about pointless

They like fetuses too. Every little sperm is sacred!

If you really want to make a public stand, how about public
self-immolation - them buddhists really know how to make ratings soar.

Man, what a sick game show _that_ could be! EEeewwwwwww!

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich The Philosophizer]

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:11:40 +0000, Mike Page wrote:

Fred Bloggs wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

"suicide by dessert."

John

Here is a suicide by shotgun:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/07/ground.zero.suicide.ap/index.html

... how tragic that is.

Suicide is the sincerest form of self-criticism.

(both times I tried it, I failed, so apparently I'm not even allowed
to quit the game.)

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Jonathan Kirwan]

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 00:31:05 GMT, Jonathan Kirwan <jkirwan@easystreet.com>
wrote:

The resulting equation would be:
PI PI
1 / / 1 - cos(2u)cos(u)
R = ---- * | | ------------------- du dv
4*PI / / 2 - cos(u) - cos(v)
-PI -PI

Sorry, I meant:

PI PI
1 / / 1 - cos(2u)cos(v)
R = ---- * | | ------------------- du dv
4*PI / / 2 - cos(u) - cos(v)
-PI -PI

 

[Jonathan Kirwan]

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 00:31:05 GMT, Jonathan Kirwan <jkirwan@easystreet.com>
wrote:

) as the resistance.

I should add that since V[x,y] will still be 0.0, this boils down to:

(k) print (1/sum) as the resistance.

Jon

 

[ChrisGibboGibson]

It may be sheer coincidence (in fact it probably is) but in the UK Raleigh
(sp?) used to sell a range of products called the RSW range. It was a girl's
bike.

Gibbo

 

[ChrisGibboGibson]

With small wheels and a shopping basket on the front.

Gibbo

 

[Winfield Hill]

Tom Seim wrote...

The bottom line in all of this was that Holbrooke was honest in his
statement that he didn't know what happened to the weapons.

But he knew when it didn't happen.

Contrast that to Kerry's statement that the weapons had been
absolutely stolen by Al Quaeda, right from under Bush's nose. Kerry's
REPEATED charges where, and are, irresponsible. This is vintage Kerry.

Whay don't you take up your beef with the Associated Press? Here's a
little teaser they published:

Summary: Missing 377 tons just a fraction of munitions stashed across Iraq
By Associated Press, 10/31/2004 14:43

IN QUESTION: About 250,000 tons of Iraqi munitions still unaccounted for
even after the U.S. military secured about 400,000 tons.

THE TIPOFF: The Iraqi government reported to the United Nations that
377 tons of high explosives were missing from the al-Qaqaa munitions
dump after the April 9 fall of Baghdad.

http://www.boston.com/dailynews/305/world/Missing_377_tons_just_a_tiny_f:.shtml

WHY WORRY: Many believe missing munitions and explosives are in the
hands of the anti-American insurgency.


--
Thanks,
- Win

(email: use hill_at_rowland-dotties-org for now)

 

[Jim Yanik]

"Kevin Aylward" <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote in
news:ADGhd.8285$Bk6.6374@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk:

John S. Dyson wrote:
In article <4186FAE0.3050604@nospam.com>,
Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> writes:


Tom Seim wrote:
There have been claims on SED that Kerry has never admitted to
committing atrocities in Vietnam. Well here is the transcript from
Kerry's appearance on "Meet the Press". You decide for yourself:

(Videotape, April 18, 1971):

MR. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to
say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as
thousands of other soldiers have committed.

(End videotape)

You're are not very high up on the evolutionary ladder apparently.
What Kerry considered an atrocity after the war was considered
standard military action during the war.

John Kerry, being a commander, was obviously assisting in committing
and ordering atrocities. He admitted to complicity.

Whether or not anyone else is a combat veteran doesn't change the fact
that John Kerry has effectively claimed being a war criminal (his
words sanitized for legal reasons, obviously.) Voting for a war
criminal would be ethically and morally MUCH WORSE than voting for an
AWOL or draft dodger who went to Canada. The idea of someone who
knowingly PERSONALLY destroyed a familys means of earning a living,
or killing numerous family members because of (orders) being
president of the USA IN THESE MODERN TIMES is disgusting.

We don't need to let that war criminal, Kerry, become president.
Murdering for absolutely no reason, in the heat of war, and
destroying very poor peoples little huts is heinous. Kerry has
shown other abhorrent attitudes and behaviors.

John Kerry is obviously a bad, bad man. He might even be a very evil
man, but that isn't any persons' place to judge, but it appears to be
true.


I don't care, even if he was. Bush is worse. Bush is the most worthless
disgusting piece of shit to hold American office, in my view.

Kevin Aylward

So you hate Bush,and that clouds your judgement.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

 

[Jim Yanik]

"Kevin Aylward" <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote in
news:6EGhd.8292$Bk6.3255@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk:

John S. Dyson wrote:
In article <4187010B.730E@armory.com>,
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> writes:
John S. Dyson wrote:

In article <6c71b322.0411011526.7e518017@posting.google.com>,
soar2morrow@yahoo.com (Tom Seim) writes:
There have been claims on SED that Kerry has never admitted to
committing atrocities in Vietnam. Well here is the transcript from
Kerry's appearance on "Meet the Press". You decide for yourself:

(Videotape, April 18, 1971):

MR. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to
say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as
thousands of other soldiers have committed.

(End videotape)

It is very true that Kerry is an admitted de-facto war criminal
[]
John
-------------
Once more you're lying like the human turd you are.

READ AGAIN (meet the press, played on this last Sunday):

(Videotape, April 18, 1971):

MR. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say
that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands
of other soldiers have committed.

(End videotape)

It is very true that Kerry is an admitted de-facto war criminal.


Nonsense.

You must have a problem with either 101 logic, or English. The above
says no such thing. An "atrocity" is not necessarily criminal, so your
claim is not deducible.

There's weaseling if I ever saw it.Intellectual dishonesty.
Kerry's testimony was about WAR CRIMES committed by US soldiers,and he
included himself in that.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

 

[Rich The Philosophizer]

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:56:56 -0700, Mark Fergerson wrote:

Rich The Philosophizer wrote:

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:11:40 +0000, Mike Page wrote:


Fred Bloggs wrote:

John Larkin wrote:


"suicide by dessert."

John


Here is a suicide by shotgun:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/07/ground.zero.suicide.ap/index.html

... how tragic that is.


Suicide is the sincerest form of self-criticism.

(both times I tried it, I failed, so apparently I'm not even allowed
to quit the game.)

Coulda told you that (third law of Thermodynamics).

I wouldn't have listened. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Ratch]

"Rich Grise" <rich@example.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 12:59:12 +0000, Ratch wrote:


"Rich Grise" <rich@example.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 03:45:10 +0000, Ratch wrote:


"Rich The Philosophizer" <null@example.net> wrote in message
newsan.2004.11.07.19.17.16.689680@neodruid.org...
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 03:51:12 +0000, Ratch wrote:

Nothing wrong with being a prude if that is what you want to be.
You
would not want to live in the US because most folks here consider
homos
to be abnormal. That is what US society decided. You can say
they
are
wrong, but they control what happens in this democracy. Homos do
have a
uphill course if they want to attain high public office, but
that's
fine
with me. They not only have to convince the public that they
acknowledge
their perversion, but their actions in dealing with it will not
ruffle
the feathers of the majority.

Where did you get your obsession with other people's sex lives?

It's a concern, not an obsession. You should have asked, "Why
are
you
concerned with other peoples sex lives when they have strange
proclivities,
and want the majority of society to approve their lifestyle and
change
laws
to coincide with their aberrant behavior?" Learn to ask the right
questions. Ratch


Thanks,
Rich


Ratch, print out this thread and take it to your physician.

Please.

Good Luck,
Rich

Only if you agree to pay his fee. Ratch

Should be covered under DHS.

Dental health insurance? You're getting more weird everyday. Ratch

Good Luck,
Rich

 

[Julie]

Fred Bloggs wrote:

Julie wrote:
Fred Bloggs wrote:

Julie wrote:
Fred Bloggs wrote:

Julie wrote:

Fred Bloggs wrote:


The Bush criminals in collaboration with Matt Drudge are
starting to make their move to disrupt the national
elections. It is now clear they *will be* voted OUT OF
OFFICE, and the time to act is upon them. This tape is a
total fabrication. Apparently it was too much for the
zealots to forego discussion of "same sex marriage" in this
supposed Al-Qaeda terror production, and this will be the
last straw.


The origins of this tape will be traced back to the Bush
administration, and they will be removed from office:


Do you have any evidence of this that you can provide, or are
you just stating your personal unsubstantiated opinion?

CIA cannot confirm the authenticity of the tape- headline
today. This means it is a fake because there is very little
chance they could not confirm a tape with authentic Al-Qaeda
origin.


Very interesting take on logic: if can't be proved authentic,
*must* be fake.

Did I say that, poser. I said "very little chance".


Poser? whatever.

Your quote: "This means it is a fake..."

I'll equate this to my quote of "*must* be fake" -- variations in
interpretation are minimal, at best.

"Minimal, at best"? You're missing the point.


Your "very little chance" quote was with respect to the ability of
the CIA to confirm.

No- very little chance of being authentic when CIA cannot confirm os
what it means.



And infering from your original post, if fake, it *must* come
from Bush.

If it is fake then it would almost certainly be connected with the
Bush campaign- that campaign was clearly based on a fear platform-
the VP candidate outright warned America *will* be attacked if they
lose.


Regardless of the Bush platform, a connection can't be assumed unless
proven. You merely have jumped to what appears to be a personal
supposition supporting your beliefs/ideas, and in actuality, has
absolutely no relevance to the situation, until proven otherwise.
When that proof comes, please let me/us know.

Real life is not a mathematical proof, beliefs are formed on a
preponderance of reason. You are in fact a Bush supporter posing as an
undecided.

False. However, as has been demonstrated, you will arrive at your conclusions
independent of the stated facts.

I now understand how you arrive at your conclusions.

I don't really think you do, poser.


Poser? Why does a discussion have to get personal?

Fred -- answer me one thing: do you really think that your messages
are clear, concise, and free from an unbiased opinion? I'm trying to
be *rational* here, I don't always succeed, but I'm trying.

I am not interested in your idea of how to interpret anything- it is
clear you are worthlessly ignorant. It is also clear you lack the
intelligence to read even the simplest news stories, and those are
adjusted for something like a 6th grade education level, so I will not
waste my time going any lower with you.

That very well may be the case. But, I do not flaunt my minuscule amount of
intelligence over those that have none. Personally, I prefer civilized
conversation.

Fred, when the election has come and gone, I'd suggest you taking a hard look
on the inside and see what you can change to make yourself a better person. I
do this all the time.

end.

 

[Haris]

"Dave VanHorn" <dvanhorn@cedar.net> wrote in message news:<9aidnaJn8LGyFxLcRVn-rw@comcast.com>...

I would also add a resostor from the port pin to ground, to assure that the
transistor turns OFF, when the port pin is tristated, like during reset.

Pulling relay current from your regulated 5V is in general, a bad idea.
Can you change the relay, and use an unregulated supply instead?
You'll find much better results.

At the moment I'm taking 5V direct from an adapter to the circuit on
my breadboard. Thus I don't have regulated and unregulated supply.

I might have been missing something obvious. But do I need a regulator
since the adapter is already giving me 5V. Or might that this silly
and wrong assumption is the cause of this problem.

Also, you didn't mention power supply bypassing on the 5V supply, there
needs to be some.

Please explain "power supply bypassing on the 5V supply" a little bit.


--Haris

 

[Nicholas O. Lindan]

... helping the kid with the science fair project
is one of the most satisfying parts of being a parent ...
do a good write up ... coach what to say ...

Having being a judge at several science fairs I have to
disagree.

Science fair projects done with parental help are
obvious, some being entirely the work of the parents
with the poor child reduced to gofer.

One extreme example: 10 year old with oscilloscope,
6 ft. of 2" quartz tubing, signal generator, power
amplifier ... not the foggiest idea of what it all
means though he has a prepared song-and-dance from
which he can not deviate. Who's kidding who?

Do I give the grade to the father (an automatic F) or to
the child (an incomplete/late)?

If parental help is supplied it is the parent who should
be reduced to gofer.

It may be fun for the parent to 'help' with a science
project but in talking with them the child seems to find
it hell.

If a parent treats the child as a vicariously
entertaining fashion accessory then heaven help them both.

--
Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
Remove spaces etc. to reply: n o lindan at net com dot com

 

[Haris]

Reading the answer make me thing that I'm missing alot in the circuit.
To help me understand this, how will this reverse voltage or having
the transistor not function cause the Atmel to hang.

--Haris

Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org> wrote in message news:<mjJjd.5191$op3.194638@news.xtra.co.nz>...

Andrew Holme wrote:

Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org> wrote

5V
+--+
| |
K__ )
/\ (
-- )
A | (
| | Relay
+--+

The problem is that if device (EM lock) is connected, MCU will hang
after 1 day. I am saying that it hang since PC connected to it using
serial port unable to receive or send signal.

If the device is not connected, it works fine. At this point (and in
mydesperation to explain this) I thought that somehow the relay 12V
output is giving interference to the MCU. Since the relay is normally
open, the 12V current is there almost all the time.

Two things:

Fistly, stick a "freewheeling" (catch) diode across the relay coil,
cathode to +5V - I have modified your diagram suitably. When you turn
the transistor off (P1.7 = 0) Lenz's law makes the collector voltage
shoot quite high - the catch diode clamps it to 5.7V, allowing the
energy stored in the relay coil to flow back into the +5V supply.
Without the catch diode, the transistor may well fail.


I second this.

Just one thing - the energy doesn't flow into the supply. The diode
short-circuits the back EMF. The energy is dissipated in the coil and
the diode.

indeed. oops. my excuse is I was simulating a diagonal half-bridge
converter which does exactly that with the leakage and/or mag energy.


Secondly, look at your "gnd" connection. I would twist gnd, P1.7 and +5V
together, and connect them all up at the micro (put the 10k there).


If the problem persists, and your load will tolerate it, you could
write a test program which rapidly toggles the output. If you can
reproduce the problem more frequently (<1 day) it may be easier to
investigate. You you can look on the MCU power supply with a 'scope
and see if you have any glitches.

Cheers
Terry

 

[Joel Kolstad]

Like your contemporaries and products of the educational system, you
over-complicate matters. Looking in advance for problems where none
probably
exist. Which signifies a degree of lack in self-confidence.

You have a point in that people who concentrate too much on the academic
aspects of engineering can sometimes lose sight of the need for solving real
world problems, and I'd even give you that a very large percentage of
electronic devices out there can be designed with just 'a few basic
priciples and lots of bench experience,' but there are also plenty of areas
where those alone won't suffice -- even determining the the values of the
components in a 'simple' pi filter, for instance. A more complex example
would be the design of the codecs in cell phones -- they are FAR from
trivial.

What happens is that you make a choice as to how much of a 'system
integtrator' you want to be vs. a true 'designer.' Or, perhaps so as not to
make such an arbitrary division, you make a choice as to whether your design
in on... the product level... the module level... the component level... the
chip level, etc. As you move to higher levels, 'common sense' becomes more
and more all that is needed for success. Perhaps ironicially, it's at those
higher levels that more jobs exist!

---Joel Kolstad

 

[Klaus Vestergaard Kragelu]

"Harry Dellamano" <harryd@tdsystems.org> wrote in message
news:XdAhd.3543$KL4.2364@trnddc07...

"Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund" <klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4186bbef$0$283
Yep, exactly. I asked because I just got one TPS2014 to try out at work.
The
defining parameter for us is the capacitance to ground and for this
scope
is
should be fairly good

Bytheway it has a nice look to it and the battery mode is a nice feature
one
normally pays dearly for

Cheers

Klaus

Hi Klaus, Is the display as good as the TDS30NN series of Digital Phosphor
scopes for analog waveform display. Seeing only one waveform on a storage
scope drives me nuts. So little information.

I'm sorry to say the display isn't as good as the TDS20xx/TDS30xx series. I
just love that scope. The display is the same as for the TDS22x series - and
thats not very good. This is the only drawback I have found sofar. The
display in conjunction with some of the menus that are pourly layout.

Today I did some tests on a SMPS with the scope. I had problems some weeks
ago doing a floating measurement using the switching node as the reference.
In this case the capacitance of the scope to ground simply didn't let the
SMPS operate. Only way to do the test was to get the expensive optical fiber
Tek isolated system. So today I tried with the cheap TPS2014 and some cheap
P5120 probes. It worked fine allthought some commom-mode noise still was
present (that noise was removed by using a toroid and applying "Averaging"
on the signal

With respect to the display, I'll bet you that in a couple of months they
are going to release a new scope with the isolated features based on the
Phospor and good screen properties. Now thats going to be a NICE scope

Cheers

Klaus

 

[Joel Kolstad]

"Klaus Vestergaard Kragelund" <klauskvik@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:41881192$0$287$edfadb0f@dread12.news.tele.dk...

I'm sorry to say the display isn't as good as the TDS20xx/TDS30xx series.
I
just love that scope. The display is the same as for the TDS22x series -
and
thats not very good. This is the only drawback I have found sofar. The
display in conjunction with some of the menus that are pourly layout.

Interesting... at Tek they spend a LOT of time (literally man-months, maybe
even years!) worrying about things like menu layout. This might be a case
of where 'design by committee' ends up being less user-friendly than if just
one or a few engineers had gotten together to do the design.

(Some Tek scopes have the 'My Scope' feature which -- despite the sophomoric
name -- is quite popular in that it lets you design custom menus.)

---Joel Kolstad

 

[Joerg]

Hi Joel,

Interesting... at Tek they spend a LOT of time (literally man-months, maybe
even years!) worrying about things like menu layout. This might be a case
of where 'design by committee' ends up being less user-friendly than if just
one or a few engineers had gotten together to do the design.


Really good ideas happen when engineers get together in a pub and 'talk

shop'. The best solutions are achieved when the designer of the scope
has twentysome years of hardcore lab experience under the belt.

Despite all the newfangled digital scopes I always enjoy the best scope
experience in front of my trusty old 7700 series Tek scope. It finds
almost everything.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

 

[Joerg]

Hi Paul,

I'm sure you appreciate I have not the slightest ill-will against your
only-to-be-expected views. But you may wish to take into account that I have
just consumed a bottle of cheap plonk - a claret.



In vino veritas, Reg; in vino veritas.


So what is cheap plonk? The category "mise en bouteille dans notre garage"?

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com