Driver to drive?

[Fred Bloggs]

The Bush campaign knows that rationality goes out the window when
uncertainty and fear move in. They have been playing this card
throughout their entire campaign. It is not surprising that their
remaining constituency consists mostly of the scared rabbits.

Winfield Hill wrote:

My favorite part: "The Bushies’ campaign pitch follows their usual backward
logic: Because we have failed to make you safe in three years, you should
reelect us to make you safer in the next four years."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/31/opinion/31dowd.html?
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?section=Opinion&OID=62531

---
MAUREEN DOWD - October 28, 2004 - WASHINGTON -

Some people thought the October surprise would be the President producing
Osama.

Instead, it was Osama producing yet another video taunting the President
and lecturing America.

After bin Laden’s pre-election commentary from his anchor desk at a secure,
undisclosed location, many TV chatterers and Republicans postulated that
the evildoer’s campaign intrusion would help the President.

OBL, they said, might reelect W.

They follow the Bush strategists’ reasoning that since President Bush rates
higher than John Kerry on fighting terror, anytime Americans get rattled
about Iraq and al-Qaeda, it’s a plus for the President. And Republicans can
keep claiming that al-Qaeda wants the “weak” Democrat elected, even as some
intelligence experts suggest the terrorists prefer that the belligerent
Mr. Bush stay in power because he has been a boon to jihadist recruiting,
with his disastrous occupation of Iraq and his true believer, us-versus-them,
my-Christian-God’s-directing-my-foreign-policy vibe.

The Bushies’ campaign pitch follows their usual backward logic: Because
we have failed to make you safe, you should reelect us to make you safer.
Because we haven’t caught Osama in three years, you need us to catch Osama
in the next four years. Because we didn’t bother to secure explosives in
Iraq, you can count on us to make sure those explosives aren’t used against
you.

You’d think that seeing Osama looking fit as a fiddle and ready for hate
would spark anger at the Bush administration’s cynical diversion of the war
on al-Qaeda to the war on Saddam. It’s absurd that we’re mired in Iraq —
an invasion the demented Vice President praised on Friday for its
“brilliance” — while the 9/11 mastermind nonchalantly pops up anytime he
wants. For some, it seemed cartoonish, with Osama as Road Runner beeping
by Wile E. Bush as Dick Cheney and Rummy run the Acme/Halliburton explosives
company—now under FBI investigation for its no-bid contracts on anvils, axle
grease (guaranteed slippery) and dehydrated boulders (just add water).

Osama slouched onto TV bragging about pulling off the 9/11 attacks just
after the President strutted onto TV in New Hampshire with 9/11 families,
bragging that al-Qaeda leaders know “we are on their trail.”

Maybe bin Laden hasn’t gotten the word. Maybe W. should get off the trail
and get on Osama’s tail.

W. was clinging to his inane mantra that if we fight the terrorists over
there, we don’t have to fight them here, even as bin Laden was back on TV
threatening to come here. The President still avoided using Osama’s name
on Friday, part of the concerted effort to downgrade him and merge him with
Iraqi insurgents.

The White House reaction to the disclosures about the vanished explosives
in Iraq was typical. Though it’s clear the treasures and terrors of Iraq —
from viruses to ammunition to artifacts—were being looted and loaded into
donkey carts and pickups because we had insufficient troops to secure the
country, Bush officials devoted the vast resources of the government to
trying to undermine the facts to protect the President.

The Pentagon mobilized to debunk the bunker story with a tortured press
conference and a satellite photo of trucks that proved about as much as
Colin Powell’s prewar drawings of two trailers that were supposed to be
mobile biological weapons labs.

Republicans insinuated that it was a plot by foreign internationalists to
help the foreigner-loving, internationalist Kerry, a UN leak from the camp
of Mohamed ElBaradei to hurt the administration that had scorned the UN as
a weak sister.

In their ruthless determination to put Mr. Bush’s political future ahead of
our future safety, the White House and House Republicans last week thwarted
the enactment of recommendations of the 9/11 commission they never wanted
in the first place.

While pretending to be serious about getting a bill on reorganizing
intelligence agencies before the election, the White House never forced
congressional Republicans to come to an agreement. So the advice from the
panel that spent 19 months studying how the government could shore up
intelligence so there wouldn’t be another 9/11 may be squandered, even
though Dick Cheney’s favorite warning to scare voters away from Mr. Kerry
is that we might someday face terrorists “in the middle of one of our cities
with deadlier weapons than have ever before been used against us,” including
a nuclear bomb.

Wow. I feel safer. Don’t you?

 

[Fred Bloggs]

John Larkin wrote:

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:55:04 +0100, "Frank Bemelman"
f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:


but then again, I am not like you.



Hey! We agree on something! How nice.

John

I am also relieved to know you are one of a kind. God is good.

 

[YD]

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:04:32 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

<snipps>

Hey, Win, would you mind if I snipped chapters from AoE and published
them here?

John

Yes, please. I'm not quite affording it just yet. Could you please
scan and put it up as PDFs?

- YD.

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Remove HAT if replying by mail.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

Jim Thompson wrote:

On 31 Oct 2004 12:25:13 -0800, Winfield Hill
Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote:



As for me, I'm bound and determined to see GWB out of office,
simple as that, for the overwhelming good of our entire country.


I know that you feel that way.

Me, I think Kerry will be worse than Carter...

You might consider that Bush is evening the record on what an
evangelical President will do- except in the opposite direction. The
commonality here is the obsession with adhering to strong beliefs and
the infallibility mindset. Characters like this do not make good
leaders, the challenges are much too amorphous and chaotic for this
mindset to survive.

but actually I don't
care, my assets and income are well-protected, and you Democrats need
a hard-ball lesson... maybe we can kill off the Democrat Party during
the resulting depression.

If you vote for Bush, there is a good chance will lose everything you
own. The entire world may very well collapse. If Bush can't even restore
order to an itsy-bitsy little Iraq what in hell makes you believe he
could stop something 1E6 times larger from happening.

 

[Rich Grise]

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:43:45 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

Keep it up Win and I'll have to relegate you to the Fred Bloggs, hateful
bigot and politically-dumber-than-a-stump, category.

What are you, some kind of neochristianoid or something?

You seem to be an intelligent man. How can you be such a dupe?

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Winfield Hill]

Jim Thompson wrote...

Me, I think Kerry will be worse than Carter... but actually I don't
care, my assets and income are well-protected, and you Democrats need
a hard-ball lesson... maybe we can kill off the Democrat Party during
the resulting depression.

You still think eight glorious fiscal years under Clinton, during which
you and I did very well, were all due to what he inherited upon coming
to office? I think if Kerry is elected the country will do very well,
and I think investors and advanced technocrats such as yourself will do
exceedingly well. However, I suspect you'll still be pissed and unhappy.

And the BITCH won't be able to run for President ;-)

I'm not sure she'd be nominated, but what's your reasoning?


--
Thanks,
- Win

(email: use hill_at_rowland-dotties-org for now)

 

[Winfield Hill]

Frank Bemelman wrote...

I would mind. But I know you are not very 'professional', whining
about some lost diodes in *public*, and other things, ...

Now, now Frank, John wasn't whining about lost diodes, he was
reminiscing about some precious little gems he sent me, showing
his generous and sharing nature. Of course that doesn't mean
that I approve of his attitude wrt Bush and Kerry!


--
Thanks,
- Win

(email: use hill_at_rowland-dotties-org for now)

 

[Rich Grise]

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:04:29 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

Me, I think Kerry will be worse than Carter... but actually I don't
care, my assets and income are well-protected, and you Democrats need a
hard-ball lesson... maybe we can kill off the Democrat Party during the
resulting depression.

Does a sane person advocate the murder of whole classes of people?

You are blinded by your own hate.

May Goddess have mercy on your soul.

--
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:11:37 -0300, YD wrote:

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:04:32 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

snipps


Hey, Win, would you mind if I snipped chapters from AoE and published
them here?

John


Yes, please. I'm not quite affording it just yet. Could you please scan
and put it up as PDFs?

So, you intend thievery to make some point?

Maybe, drive home the point that the neocons have the power to take
whatever they want, and their victims have no recourse?

Why does this not surprise me? Your ilk clearly do not know right from
wrong.

Bush is a dangerous liar.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:49:11 +0000, Fred Bloggs wrote:

The Bush campaign knows that rationality goes out the window when
uncertainty and fear move in. They have been playing this card throughout
their entire campaign. It is not surprising that their remaining
constituency consists mostly of the scared rabbits.

The Bushies who are football fans have a dilemma today.

The Redskins lost.

There has been a one-to-one correlation between Redskins games the
Sunday before the election vis-a-vis the re-election of the incumbent.

The Redskins lost => Bush loses.

Better vote Libertarian if you want your vote to count!

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:04:46 -0800, Winfield Hill wrote:

My favorite part: "The Bushies’ campaign pitch follows their usual
backward logic: Because we have failed to make you safe in three years,
you should reelect us to make you safer in the next four years."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/31/opinion/31dowd.html?
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?section=Opinion&OID=62531

I was surfing around looking for more dirt on the cabal, and stumbled
on this, which is easy to dismiss as rantings,
http://www.bzangygroink.co.uk/wordpress/archives/2004/09/01/how-bush-will-win/
Until he points out these guys:
http://home.earthlink.net/~platter/neo-conservatism/pnac.html

Bush is a dangerous liar.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Winfield Hill]

Jim Thompson wrote...

Besides, McCain will be elected in 2008 ;-)

That would be interesting. Why couldn't he be running now?


--
Thanks,
- Win

(email: use hill_at_rowland-dotties-org for now)

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:04:29 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

Me, I think Kerry will be worse than Carter...

Geez, Jim, don't say stuff like that. Halloween is scairy enough.

John

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:21:13 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:04:29 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:


Me, I think Kerry will be worse than Carter...

Geez, Jim, don't say stuff like that. Halloween is scairy enough.

John

So you remember how bad it was ?

...Jim Thompson
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[John Larkin]

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:15:32 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 14:57:48 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:57:03 +0000 (UTC), "Reg Edwards"
g4fgq.regp@ZZZbtinternet.com> wrote:

IQ is a measure of the ability to distinguish between the important and the
unimportant.


Not at all. IQ measures how well you do on an IQ test. It says nothing
about one's ability to perceive reality or causality, or what you care
about in life. Autistics, almost totally lacking in empathy, can have
high IQs.

John


I know all to well. I have an autistic grandson. Unbelievably smart,
just can't communicate verbally.

...Jim Thompson

My wife work with autistic kids. Some of them have amazing mental
skills, but many literally don't understand that other people are
conscious and have feelings of their own. She tests kids by putting
them in situations where all they have to do is answer a question like
"now, what does SHE see?" Often they can't imagine the answer.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:00:54 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

Besides, McCain will be elected in 2008 ;-)

...Jim Thompson

McCain seem to really understand what's important, and to care. My
Commie wife and my Facist self could agree on him.

John

 

[john jardine]

"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
news:Mbehd.3032$zx1.59@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...

Hi N. Thornton,
[clip]

The best was military surplus. A trip to one of those large dumping
stores every other month was almost mandatory to the serious hobbyist.
There you could buy outdated but top notch mil spec parts for pennies on
the Dollar, sometimes your pile was weighed and you paid a fixed amount
per pound. I remember buying a box with several variable capacitors, all
100% ceramic, temperature compensated, automatically adjusting ball
bearings, the whole nine yards. I believe I paid less than five Dollars
for that box.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Yes, Mil surplus!. Marvellous stuff. Cheap and lots of it. Seem to have
spent my formative years accumulating or stripping down the stuff, or wading
through the dealers racks (dangerous!), or drooling over adverts. Much of it
was WW2, useable Army/RAF releases but best of all was dropping lucky and
coming across US airborne stuff. Superb quality casings and castings,
aluminium, silver plating and anodising everywhere, perfect motors and
mechanics, excellent connectors, VT metal valves. High quality metal knobs.
Kept my junk box brimming for years. Really sad when the military moved to
(unrescuable) PCB mounted transistors resistors etc and really, really, sad
when I'd no choice but to pay top whack for my first transistor (OC71) and
then blew it. Still loathe paying out, even now
regards
john

 

[Winfield Hill]

Winfield Hill wrote...

My favorite part: "The Bushies’ campaign pitch follows their usual
backward logic: Because we have failed to make you safe in three years,
you should reelect us to make you safer in the next four years."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/31/opinion/31dowd.html?
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?section=Opinion&OID=62531

---
MAUREEN DOWD - October 28, 2004 - WASHINGTON - [ snip ]

Here's another take (or more accurately, set of takes) on the issue.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1101/p03s01-uspo.html


--
Thanks,
- Win

(email: use hill_at_rowland-dotties-org for now)

 

[John Larkin]

On 31 Oct 2004 14:38:44 -0800, Winfield Hill
<Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote:

Frank Bemelman wrote...

I would mind. But I know you are not very 'professional', whining
about some lost diodes in *public*, and other things, ...

Now, now Frank, John wasn't whining about lost diodes, he was
reminiscing about some precious little gems he sent me, showing
his generous and sharing nature. Of course that doesn't mean
that I approve of his attitude wrt Bush and Kerry!

And I still give a copy of AoE to all of my interns, even of it was
co-authored by a New England Whatever.

(Hey, we were up at Cornell last week, visiting The Brat. It was peak
leaf-peeping season, the ducks were ducking, the waterfalls were
waterfalling, and it was beautiful. The number of Bush signs and Kerry
signs in the neighborhood were pretty near equal.)

John

 

[Rich Grise]

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:34:10 -0700, Mark Fergerson wrote:

Scott Stephens wrote:

Once one realizes one has been taken as a sucker, how
much more shall one demand in recompense?
....
The presumption that those that behave altruistically are
moral fools in a cynical world can only result in the degradation and
destruction of that world.

You're looking at morality and ethics in a very
simplistic way. "Doing good" may involve allowing others to feel small
pain in order that they may learn to avoid great pain.

Frinst, a teacher first strikes a student with the flat
of the sword. The student either learns to parry, or to quit screwing
around with swords.

You're missing one major fundamental difference here:

This particular student signed up, voluntarily, to be slapped by the
instructor.

Inflicting pain against the will of your victim makes you no better
than a common murderer.

Thanks,
Rich