Chip with simple program for Toy

On Monday, February 24, 2014 6:44:30 PM UTC-8, Martin Riddle wrote:
On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:16:23 -0600, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:



On 2/23/2014 7:46 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sun, 23 Feb 2014 19:18:00 -0600, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:



On 2/23/2014 5:40 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:

OT: Today's Discovery...



http://tinyurl.com/lsy7nj9 >:-}



...Jim Thompson







You mean you don't have a pair of channel locks permanently in your

suit case, to "repair" those hotel showers that just don't have enough

water coming out of them?

Mikek



Channel locks don't work on the gov't's newest scheme... it takes fine

needle-nose to do the deed.



As for hotels... I carry my own shower-head assembly if I'm going to

be a week or more at some remote location.



When I was on Long Island for three months I went down to Lowe's,

bought two pair of channel-locks, a pair of needle-nose, and a nice

hand-held shower head ;-)



...Jim Thompson



So the answer is "yes, I do!" :)



Mikek



PS. Don't you still need the channel locks to get the shower head off.

(or do you just whisper sweet nothings in it's ear)



Yep, the meter measures gallons.

$12 for 11000 gallons = $0.00109/gal



Cheers
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Our utility charges a greater amount per gallon for the sewage treatment than for the actual water, and additional taxes and fees for the wastewater plant infrastructure

Michael
 
On Sunday, March 2, 2014 2:51:47 AM UTC+11, Jim Thompson wrote:
Connector Question, What is this type of connector called, and where

do you get it...



http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/ConnectorQuestion.jpg



(in a ceiling fan)



...Jim Thompson

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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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I came a little late into the conversation, but I did find something from my part of the world that could be useful to someone in a future connector query:

http://www.connectorworld.com.au/

You can email them with your query to:
info@connectorworld.com.au

Cheers,
Julian
 
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 23:37:26 -0700 (PDT), Julian Grodzicky
<grodzicky_j@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

On Sunday, March 2, 2014 2:51:47 AM UTC+11, Jim Thompson wrote:
Connector Question, What is this type of connector called, and where

do you get it...

http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/ConnectorQuestion.jpg

(in a ceiling fan)

...Jim Thompson


I came a little late into the conversation, but I did find something from my part of the world that could be useful to someone in a future connector query:

http://www.connectorworld.com.au/

You can email them with your query to:
info@connectorworld.com.au

Cheers,
Julian
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Thanks, Julian!

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 22:37:40 +0000 (UTC), Kaz Kylheku
<kaz@kylheku.com> wrote:

On 2014-03-20, Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 11:51:34 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

Anyone know how to interpret this IF (I think) statement...

PMI=(PM>=0)?((PM==0)?1000:pM):pMC

it's in a notation-style I don't understand.

It looks like C-style conditional operator (whose use is frowned upon,
particularly in cascade like that).

In C and C++,

ANSWER = THING ? THIS : THAT;

means that if THING is true, ANSWER = THIS. Of THING is false, ANSWER =
THAT.

In more traditional if-else notation, your statement expands to:

if (PM >= 0)
{
if (PM == 0)
{
PMI = 1000;
}
else
{
PMI = PM;
}
}
else
{
PMI = PMC;
}

And, a more natural way would be not to have tests for overlapping cases:

if (PM > 0) {
PMI = PM;
} else if (PM == 0) {
PMI = 1000;
} else {
PMI = PMC;
}

Which translates back to:

PMI = (PM > 0)
? PMI = PM
: (PM == 0)
? 1000
: PMC;
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The funny thing about that logical test... all that BS was simply to
SQUAWK if you set the device width less than 420nm (the minimum
allowed). No subcircuit function whatsoever. So, since I was
converting it to PSpice, I just tossed it ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
On Friday, March 21, 2014 3:37:40 PM UTC-7, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
On 2014-03-20, Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote:

On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 11:51:34 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
Anyone know how to interpret this IF (I think) statement...
PMI=(PM>=0)?((PM==0)?1000:pM):pMC

And, a more natural way would be not to have tests for overlapping cases:

if (PM > 0) {
PMI = PM;
} else if (PM == 0) {
PMI = 1000;
} else {
PMI = PMC;
}
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Looks terribly wordy in any of these forms. I still remember fondly
the arithmetic IF of old FORTRAN

IF(PM) 100,200,300
100 PMI=PMC; GO TO 400
200 PMI = 1000; GO TO 400
300 PMI = PM
400 CONTINUE
 
In article <f14a3416-f03a-4707-a612-a6e6255bd5b8@googlegroups.com>,
whit3rd@gmail.com says...
On Friday, March 21, 2014 3:37:40 PM UTC-7, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
["Followup-To:" header set to sci.electronics.basics.]

On 2014-03-20, Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote:

On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 11:51:34 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:
Anyone know how to interpret this IF (I think) statement...
PMI=(PM>=0)?((PM==0)?1000:pM):pMC

And, a more natural way would be not to have tests for overlapping cases:

if (PM > 0) {
PMI = PM;
} else if (PM == 0) {
PMI = 1000;
} else {
PMI = PMC;
}

Looks terribly wordy in any of these forms. I still remember fondly
the arithmetic IF of old FORTRAN

IF(PM) 100,200,300
100 PMI=PMC; GO TO 400
200 PMI = 1000; GO TO 400
300 PMI = PM
400 CONTINUE
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Ha, line numbers!

I remember long ago, basic was a real crutch due to the lack of
line renumbering function, when that came along it was like driving
a caddidlyac.

Jamie
 
On Tue, 01 Apr 2014 12:51:14 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

OT: Best Stud Locator? (Thru drywall or stucco.)

...Jim Thompson
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My wife is a great stud locator. Which is probably why she can never
find me.
ERS
 
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:48:27 -0700 (PDT), jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:

>Isn't that where they used to have the Ecoli burgers ?

JB has lots of disgusting mega-calorie stuff. But in small quantities
the fried chicken strips and curly fries, with the honey-mustard
sauce, are a pretty good finger-food highway snack.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
 
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:05:56 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:48:27 -0700 (PDT), jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:

Isn't that where they used to have the Ecoli burgers ?

JB has lots of disgusting mega-calorie stuff. But in small quantities
the fried chicken strips and curly fries, with the honey-mustard
sauce, are a pretty good finger-food highway snack.
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---
Shouldn't eat that stuff, it'll stunt your growth...
 
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 17:53:52 -0500, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:05:56 -0700, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:48:27 -0700 (PDT), jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:

Isn't that where they used to have the Ecoli burgers ?

JB has lots of disgusting mega-calorie stuff. But in small quantities
the fried chicken strips and curly fries, with the honey-mustard
sauce, are a pretty good finger-food highway snack.

---
Shouldn't eat that stuff, it'll stunt your growth...
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Is that why Larkin is so short ?>:-}

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
Actually what people fail to reaslize is that the President did not get them ther right to an abortion, or Gays to marry, the courts pretty much did that.

Other than the obvious, H. Clinton is a warmonger who supports more heavy intervention in the middle east. This is of the type that creates more "terrorists" who are getting more popular in the world as the world questions the US' authorrity and moral ground concerning drone strikes and preemptive actions such as the one in Iraq (2).

the world knows that the US government supplies arms to Syron rebels when in actyuality, they are not necessarily in the rigth nor are they in the majority. Stories come out that are not incredible about the US formenting unrest in Egypt as well, and now in Ukraine. These are not tinfoil hat stories, I forgot the name of the organization but it has the word democracy in it..

Well thief or not, the President (who is hioiiding in Russia alng with a couple hundred thousand refugees from Ukraine) WAS duly elected in a process not unlike that in the US, with limited choices. Like people over here bitch because the poor Russians only had a choice between Putin and Medvevev whatever, but seem to overlook the fact that in this country, nobody has voted FOR a President in a long time, they all simple vote AGAINST the other candidate.

The world's opinion of the US is at an all tome low. After WW2 alot of the world loved the US and saw it as a defender of the ideals of freedom and all that, but not is seen as "the greates threat to world peace" in a recent poll of Europeans. Yes, the ones "we" rescued from the evil Nazis who seem to have rubbed off on the current powers that be.

Case in point "If you're not with us you're against us".

And now, the world is going to proceed to destroy the US economy by abandoning the USD as the currency de jure. There are plenty of countries in the Non-Aligned Movement and many more considering getting into a BRICS type arraigement.
 
"he "test" button on the GFCI should work even if there is no ground to
the GFCI. So you may have more than one problem here. "
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I suggest you recheck that.

A GF interrupter works by a current transformer with the windings set to reject differential mode signals. It transforms common mode current into a voltage which is used to "trip" the circuit open.

A GFCI or GFI will work withou a proper ground, but the test button will NOT because it tests by inserting a resistor from the hot to the ground (not neutral) which upsets the balance of current, which is the same thing that appens when current is going through a person to an earth ground, or anything other than THAT neutral. (yup, each GFI circuit requires an isolated neutral for that reason)

There is, in short (no pun intended) no other way for the test button to work because if the only wires that are available are hot and neutral, there is no way to induce common mode current through the transformer.
 
>" I found
the outlet had a loose connection that got hot when the freezers ran.
It was a pass through connection to the screened porch. "

Where are you ? Also, how long ago was this built ?

For a long tim enow, code in the US was that the device cannot be the splice, which means wire nuts insode a workbox like that.

This also make it easier to change the outlet when that becomes necessary.

I am not sure if they make an exception for a GFCI outlet, but I don't do all that much wiring these days.
 
On 5/3/2014 12:53 PM, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
"he "test" button on the GFCI should work even if there is no ground to
the GFCI. So you may have more than one problem here. "

I suggest you recheck that.

A GF interrupter works by a current transformer with the windings set to reject differential mode signals. It transforms common mode current into a voltage which is used to "trip" the circuit open.

A GFCI or GFI will work withou a proper ground, but the test button will NOT because it tests by inserting a resistor from the hot to the ground (not neutral) which upsets the balance of current, which is the same thing that appens when current is going through a person to an earth ground, or anything other than THAT neutral. (yup, each GFI circuit requires an isolated neutral for that reason)

There is, in short (no pun intended) no other way for the test button to work because if the only wires that are available are hot and neutral, there is no way to induce common mode current through the transformer.
Click to expand...

Hmm...

Mikek
 
On Sat, 03 May 2014 12:56:16 -0500, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:

On 5/3/2014 12:53 PM, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
"he "test" button on the GFCI should work even if there is no ground to
the GFCI. So you may have more than one problem here. "

I suggest you recheck that.

A GF interrupter works by a current transformer with the windings set to reject differential mode signals. It transforms common mode current into a voltage which is used to "trip" the circuit open.

A GFCI or GFI will work withou a proper ground, but the test button will NOT because it tests by inserting a resistor from the hot to the ground (not neutral) which upsets the balance of current, which is the same thing that appens when current is going through a person to an earth ground, or anything other than THAT neutral. (yup, each GFI circuit requires an isolated neutral for that reason)

There is, in short (no pun intended) no other way for the test button to work because if the only wires that are available are hot and neutral, there is no way to induce common mode current through the transformer.


Hmm...

Mikek
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I have a gadget...

<http://tinyurl.com/kwyv4hp>

that I got at Radio Shack (looks discontinued there), that not only
tests GCFI's, but has an array of LED's on the back that test for
outlets wired in the proper Hot/Com/Gnd sequence.

I bought it a number of years ago when I discovered a bass-ackwards
wired outlet at the old house. Anytime I see a peculiarity with
electrical I first test the outlet.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson | mens |
| Analog Innovations | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| San Tan Valley, AZ 85142 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
>"US, 1973. An outlet has 2 screws on each side, the incoming wire was
attached to one screw the wire leading to the freezer went to the other
screw. If you are suggesting that doesn't meet code, I can understand
why. It's not like that anymore. "

It really doesn't HAVE to be upgraded, but on new construction or major rehabs all the new stuff has to be like that. Ibe;ieve there are som new rules about shared neutrals - also for good reason. If you google that, you'll find that people have died because of shared neutrals. If you add the device as the splice deal and share neutrals, you are asking for it.

But it weas all legal. Probably so was a French three way. There's a nicee cool unsafe thing to look up. Got an ex-Wife who might need some wiring done ? I got bills lol.

"Has anyone used the non contact voltage detectors, and can I just hold
it near a romax wire to verify it is hot?"
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I on't trust shit like that. the best thing is a Wiggie and a CORRECTLY wired three prong extension cord from the basement. With that you verify the neutral. It is probably switched with the hot.

It is not unusual to have 20 volts on the neutral. Now if you measyre 80 volts on the other side to ground and have 80 volts, that one is the hot.

If the place is that big all you need is one of those ground rods. They are ten feet long and you pound them into the ground, and use a clamp to attach your master ground. You CAN have more than one but you have to make sure ALL electronic equipment in your house uses the same one - if any. Sounds like your stuff isn't grounded period.

There is something called a ground gradient, and is why I said all electronic equipment has to use the same ground. I mean the cable coming in, and ANY three prong grounded equipment, unless you cut the pin off or use an adapter to float it. Had a guy a while back who we sold a commercial projecyion unit, whic was apparently the forst TV he ever had with a three prong plug.. The symptom was that when he plugged in the cable box, ALL source exhibited a hum bar. Even the DVD player.

turns out he had two grounds, one was used by the cable company and the other was the general earth ground for the whole house. At first I thought one might be a cold water pipe, but it wasn't, the guy was a remdeler and did put in the second ground.

A ground gradient can kill you, so it is actually advisable to use a seperate ground for diffeent buikldings, like an UNattached garage. Tis is because if loightning strikes nearby, the ground gradient can be many thousands of volts PER FOOT.

My recommendation is to ID the hot ansd neutral and wrie it right. You can use an extension cord properly wired to a properly wired electrical panel. At times I have actually wired a brand new outlet right to the electrical panel to be sure of polarity in houses where I remodeled, but HAD to reuse some of the old knob and tube wiring. That is a shared neutral going in a big circle, which is one of the things that makes polarity so important.

Once you got that figured out, don't stop at just rewiring that one outlet, it would be as safe almost to just carpet the place. No, make sure EVERYTHING is the right polarity because it is worse when one is and one isn't. you could become, ummm, let's say, connected...

Just ram one of those rods in the ground. They are solid copper and copper is expensive these days, you COULD use just copper tubing, plumber pipe. you can fill it with cement or something to reduce corrosion from the inside. THIS IS NOT CODE, especially if it is the only grounding rod. But it will be safer than what you got. Connect all the grounds of the outlets now properly wired and IF you want to do it, get to all the electrical boxes for the other things, like lights and junction boxes.
 
On 5/3/2014 12:59 PM, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
" I found
the outlet had a loose connection that got hot when the freezers ran.
It was a pass through connection to the screened porch. "

Where are you ? Also, how long ago was this built ?

For a long time now, code in the US was that the device cannot be the splice, which means wire nuts inside a workbox like that.

This also make it easier to change the outlet when that becomes necessary.

I am not sure if they make an exception for a GFCI outlet, but I don't do all that much wiring these days.
Click to expand...
US, 1973. An outlet has 2 screws on each side, the incoming wire was
attached to one screw the wire leading to the freezer went to the other
screw. If you are suggesting that doesn't meet code, I can understand
why. It's not like that anymore.
I stupidly waited until 2pm (it's hot) to go into the attic and crawl
60ft from the garage to the CB box. I didn't find any connection box
between the two. I crawled back checking each staple, in case it may
have broke the wire.
No problem found.
I'm now thinking I need to shut down all power except the one I'm
following and trace it with one of the non contact voltage detectors.
It is difficult to know for sure which wire I'm following. I'm also
confused by the fact that it seems like more than one wire runs to the
garage, but they all have an open ground. But I find no connection box.

Has anyone used the non contact voltage detectors, and can I just hold
it near a romax wire to verify it is hot?
Like this,
http://www.lowes.com/pd_464286-295-40110N_4294618093__?productId=50129720&Ns=p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1&pl=1&currentURL=%3FNs%3Dp_product_qty_sales_dollar|1&facetInfo=


Mikek
 
On 5/3/2014 1:39 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Sat, 03 May 2014 12:56:16 -0500, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:

On 5/3/2014 12:53 PM, jurb6006@gmail.com wrote:
"he "test" button on the GFCI should work even if there is no ground to
the GFCI. So you may have more than one problem here. "

I suggest you recheck that.

A GF interrupter works by a current transformer with the windings set to reject differential mode signals. It transforms common mode current into a voltage which is used to "trip" the circuit open.

A GFCI or GFI will work without a proper ground, but the test button will NOT because it tests by inserting a resistor from the hot to the ground (not neutral) which upsets the balance of current, which is the same thing that appens when current is going through a person to an earth ground, or anything other than THAT neutral. (yup, each GFI circuit requires an isolated neutral for that reason)

There is, in short (no pun intended) no other way for the test button to work because if the only wires that are available are hot and neutral, there is no way to induce common mode current through the transformer.


Hmm...

Mikek

I have a gadget...

http://tinyurl.com/kwyv4hp

that I got at Radio Shack (looks discontinued there), that not only
tests GCFI's, but has an array of LED's on the back that test for
outlets wired in the proper Hot/Com/Gnd sequence.

I bought it a number of years ago when I discovered a bass-ackwards
wired outlet at the old house. Anytime I see a peculiarity with
electrical I first test the outlet.

...Jim Thompson
Click to expand...
Yes, I'm on my way to lowes/Home Depot to get one of those, and a non
contact voltage tester to help trace the wire. I'll shut down all but
that one.
I'm outta here, Mikek
 
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