Chip with simple program for Toy

what about 20 diodes in series?
"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 07:49:08 -0700, Lizard Blizzard <NOSPAM@rsccd.org
wrote:

John Fields wrote:

On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 20:58:04 GMT, "Ryan Kremser"
news@rkremser.endjunk.com> wrote:


Hello, hopefully someone can help me. i'm not thinking straight so this
question is probably quite simple. I have a 30vac momentary switch
mechanically triggered and need to be able to close another circut
through a
relay while also using the 30 volts to drive a solonoid. the relay I
wanted
to use is rated at 5 volt dc for the coil and i wasn't sure how to drop
the
30vac down to 5dc.


---


___
30VAC>----O O--+-------+
| |
| | +---[<DIODE]---+
| | +-----+ | |
| +--|~ +|--[R]-+-[RELAY COIL]-+
[SOLENOID] | | |
| +--|~ -|---------------------+
| | +-----+
| |
| |
30VAC>---------+-------+

The value of R will be equal to the supply voltage minus the relay coil
voltage multiplied by the relay coil current. For example, if the
relay
coil currenr is 100mA,

E 30V - 5V 25V
R = --- = -------- = ----- = 250 ohms
I 0.1A 0.1A

The power the resistor will dissipate will be

P = IE = 0.1A * 25V = 2.5W

However, if the switch closure is only going to be momentary, the
resistor will only dissipate power while the switch is closed, so the
power rating of the resistor could probably be made much smaller. I'd
use 270 ohms at 1 watt, which you can easily make out of 270 ohm 1/4
watt resistors, like this:


---+------+
| |
[270] [270]
| |
[270] [270]
| |
---+------+


I would say that without a filter cap after the bridge, the relay will
chatter with every pulse of the DC.


---
Depends on how hard you bang it.

I tried an old 6V 52 ohm coil Allied Control T154-CC-CC with a 24VA
control transformer, a bridge made from 1N4004's, and a 150 ohm resistor
in series with the coil and it draws 113mA and works perfectly. No
chatter, no nothing.

Note that 6V/52 ohms = 115mA, so with 113mA through the coil, it's
coasting!

What's happening is that once the armature mates with the
electromagnet's pole piece it doesn't take much of a magnetic field to
keep it there, and at 120PPM (DC) it just doesn't have time to get away.

Also, since it's DC it's not like the magnetic field has to take the
time to completely reverse polarity and allow the armature to escape.

--
John Fields
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In sci.electronics.basics JeffM <jeffm_@email.com> ranted:
J>
J>Notice that vast amounts of text from the previous post is not
J>re-posted
J>(blockquoted).

bitch bitch bitch!

Generally, one sets the Followup-To: to ONE group only!

--
chesucat_at_sdf_dit_lonestar_dot_org_dah!
 
I am new to usenet, But I like electronics. I am still reading
proper internet ethics. Are there some basic rules or check list that I
can
just go through? Does each group follow a specific rules like IRC? or is
the entire usenet community governed by a single list of rules?

I decided to get on to usenet because I heared that this is where some
of the great ideas started. Linux, X windows.

thanks

,Fernan
 
Darkmatter, you are either ill, or you are a mean spirited, ignorant fool. Or
perhaps both. You really should get straightened out and then return (or not)
with a new screen name.

You destroy too many threads.

Don
 
"Dbowey" <dbowey@aol.com> wrote in message
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Darkmatter, you are either ill, or you are a mean spirited, ignorant fool.
Or
perhaps both. You really should get straightened out and then return (or
not)
with a new screen name.

You destroy too many threads.

Don
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I couldn't agree more. If darkmatter's responses were even intelligent, and
amusing, it wouldn't be so bad, but he's just ignorant and pointlessly
abusive.

One wonders what he imagines he is achieving by his petty, childish tirades.
Certainly, he is not swaying anyone on this or any other newsgroup to his
opinions, which seem to be restricted to disagreeing with everyone,
insulting everyone with schoolyard silly talk and, figuratively, pulling
faces.

I know he'll respond to Don's response and to mine with more stupid,
pointless insults and rant, which will only prove our point further. (As
though it needed further proof!)

As I have advised before, ignore him; eventually he'll go away.

John
 
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

Regardless of how I post, _this_ newsgroup won't be moderated, and I
could care less what Fortier does with any groups he chooses to start.
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This group IS already moderated, by YOU, and it has been for years.

I have seen you beat up lots of people who protest against the rough
atmosphere you uphold here.

They have the choice between silently accept your rule, or get abused
if they protest.

They have to join the secret community of tough people or leave.
Those are the rules you uphold.

Sometimes your victims do not deserve much more, because they are just
as abusive as you, but you also jump on innecent people who stand for
a more civilized view than your views allow.

Women and younger people are scared away, and you don't care about
that, because in your world everybody have to learn how to be tough
and insensitive, you see it as a way of growing up, so to speak.

I can explain why there is so much rudeness and aggressiveness in
usenet, and in the society in general, why there is so much violence
and mobbing in schools, workplaces, homes and everywhere.

It is a result of the cultural pattern called creationism which we
live in. The creationists don't think humans are good enough as they
are naturally, they think we have to be trained to be tough and that
love has to be created. They "create" men out of boys and train girls
from early teenage years to be very strong willed and romantic, so
they can keep the men very happy no matter how badly these men treat
their minds and their social world.

These creationist men are speed-freaks. They have found a way to
combine anger and love to a state of mind they call God.
They feel all-powerful, and wise beyond all limits, because their
minds are so excited that they can think extremely fast.
And when you can think that fast it doesn't matter how stupid you are,
you can still feel infinitely wise and have mental and social power
over more natural people. That is what they call "the holy spirit".

They have lost all taste and sensibility and base their actions on the
idea that we all have to become totally evil to be free from emotional
bounds. They have no moderation and class, they have simplified their
world to take into consideration only half of the equation, the
problem of being free. They have forgotten the other half, to be human
and to be nice to others. They compensate mental drunkenness with a
lot of violence.

So these creationists train their children to be tough and when they
meet more relaxed and natural children in school mobbing is the
result. The children who are trained to handle violence, who live with
violence and rudeness and aggressive attitudes are socially stronger
than the more natural children.

So they call the natural children "motherfuckers" and mob them until
the natural children learn to be violent minds too.

We have been trying to abolish creationism for thousands of years, we
have gotten rid of religion in the modern world, we have had womens
liberation and laws which are not gender specific anymore, we have
taken all religion out of the official laws, we have human rights,
individual freedom, democracy instead of theocracy, etc..

But in the reality, in the social field, we still have these old
creationist traditions which result in social processes which are used
to force boys to grow up to men, to force us into gender roles, to
create "eternal love" and "holy marriages", to create "the holy
spirit".

It is like normal people are wrestling with muscle builders for the
power in the world. The normal people have taken away all the old
justifications for the creationist system, we have reformed the laws,
but in the social reality we still have the old traditional patterns,
backed up by the social power of mental muscle builders on steroids.

In Poland a few weeks ago there was a national scandal over the
situation in the schools.
For some reason somebody had used a video camera in a classroom, where
the boys in the class, 14-15 year olds, harassed the teacher badly.
They trained karate kick towards his face, they hit him and called him
dirty words.

This was shown on national television. The principal of the school
held a speech to the pupils are was very upset over how they behaved.

A boy from the class was interviewed on tv. He said: "But he didn't
defend himself, and then it is normal to do this.. isn't it?"

He looked surprised, like somebody had just taken away one set of
rules and replaced them with another set of rules, and now he was
suddenly guilty of a big offence according to the new rules, although
he had followed the other set of rules perfectly.

This is the situation we subject our children too, they are torn
between two sets of rules. The rules they learn in the social life, to
be tough and cool, and to hunt down those damned motherfuckers and
torture them, and the other set of rules, the official laws which say
that you should be nice and that it is not allowed to threaten others,
it is not allowed to harass other or to use rude and aggressive
language.

So what should the children believe in? The nice official set of
rules, or the tough set of rules they learn in their social life and
in violent computer games, in violent movies and tv-series?

Most people do not know that we are trying to abolish this old
lifestyle of creationism, so they engage to 100% in making other
people tougher and tougher, and all means are allowed.
They admire the people who are totally senseless, who can kill and
torture others, that is why there are so many movies about tough men,
and women too nowadays.

They are trying to abolish the patriarchal society by making everybody
into men, with violent minds, women and children too.
The most creationist country in the world is USA, that is why it is
also the most violent country in the world, and they have the large
part of the population in prison, and they export violent movies,
tv-series, computer games, and the US-americans are the rudest and
most aggressive people in usenet.

But now they have exported their violent culture to many other parts
of the world, so we see young kids in baseball caps training karate
kicks towards other children here in Europe too, and the gangster rap
culture is getting stronger all over the world.

The speed freak kind of love is based on hidden violence.
But now we have come to a point in the human history where the
violence is not very hidden anymore. Now we have to do something about
this cultural pattern.
We have to realize that a speeded mind is not a good thing, that the
traditions and social processes involved in the creationist culture
are very detrimental to this world.
It produces very strong conviction, strong willed people, minds filled
with violence. It produces restlessness, workaholism, drug use,
violence, fundamentalism, terrorism.

One problem is that most people do not understand that they have been
manipulated and trained to handle ever increasing levels of stress,
they think it is just natural to "grow up and take responsibility for
your emotions and your social life", they have no idea what traditions
have formed their personalities and why they like to drink alcohol and
watch violent movies.
They have simply gotten used to it.

They live at a constantly high level of stress, they handle it by
working hard, or by being obsessed. Obsessed by sex, or gambling, or
sports, or some other way to keep up the speed in their brains.
A lot of people use drugs of some sort, sleeping pills, etc..
Or they are very much into some type of conviction, like being
religious, patriotic, nationalistic, or they are obsessed fans of a
football club, or they are in love, which is also a form of
conviction.

The lovers convince each other that everything is alright, that they
are happy. Or they use alcohol to forget how they really feel inside
their tortured souls.
Or they are listening to music, to take their minds off the real
feelings they have inside.
Very concentrated minds, learn to handle high levels of excitement.

Such people are very easy to handle for the rulers, because they are
totally occupied with their own minds, keeping an eye on themselves
and everybody else. These people are very strong willed, they convince
themselves all the time that they feel fine, that they are extremely
intelligent and that they have total control over everything.

That is why we often see people who are convinced that they have
invented something very important, like a machine that goes faster
than light, and there is no way in hell you can explain to them that
they have made a mistake.
They have trained for so long to defend their own minds against others
so they will never listen to rational arguments.
They are examples of what creationism does to our minds.
Most people in the world are totally whacked mentally, they have
gotten used to living on a very high excitement level.

Few know how to remove themselves from all sources of stress and know
how to let their minds wind down and get some real rest.
Most people get restless and go crazy when it gets too quiet and too
peaceful. They have gotten used to high mental intensity levels.

The children have to get used to this intensity during their childhood
and youth, and many children have problems with this.

We all have problems with all the thoughts and emotions running
through our heads, and the social relations problems, which are also a
result of this old cultural pattern, the admiration for violent and
strong minds.

Creationism is also the reason why many newsgroups are in the hands of
a few tough people who act as netcops. They are habitually rude
towards newcomers, tell people to do the work by themselves, and
control the activity in the newsgroup.

Such people handle the stress in their minds by filling their time
with an occupation, to control a certain newsgroup, they fill their
minds with a strong conviction, that they are doing the right thing,
and they harbor a certain amount of violence in their minds, which
they direct at others who do not follow the rules.

Terrorists are doing just the same. They fill their minds with a
strong conviction, with something to do, and a certain amount of
violence.

Violent criminals do the same thing. They may harbor a strong hatred
of prostitutes, they stalk prostitutes and kill them, and they have
strong convictions that they are doing the right thing.

People who kill doctors who perform abortions in USA are doing the
same thing. They fill their minds with something to believe in,
something to do, and a certain amount of violence.

Because of creationism we also live in a very confused intellectual
world, filled with lies and secrets, and enormous amounts of
misunderstood ideas.

Creationists love languages which require high concentration to
understand, like perl, or unix documentation. They hate when people
explain things in simple and plain english, so anybody can understand
it. They have a team-spirit which is based on very high concentration
and tough rules, and a rude atmosphere. They don't want to be "too
obvious", because it would make it easy for anybody, not just the very
concentrated minds.
People who are simple, natural, nice and a bit naive are seen as
enemies who go against that team spirit.

Ever wondered why art is so strange?
Well, no you know why. It is because the creationist culture we live
in inspire people to be strange, and express themselves in cryptic,
non-obvious ways, and some take it further than others.

Speed freaks often have a strong need to be "respected", so they try
to look scary. They would risk being laughed at if they don't scare
people. A gangster rapper with tattoos, black leather clothes and
other signs of violence and power could easily be laughed at if he
couldn't look dangerous enough to gain some "respect".
Somebody who do silly things and dresses in silly clothes needs
violence to get some "respect" and avoid being laughed at.

People who are respected for real reasons have no need to demand
respect from others.

Speed-freaks brains are filled with the holy ghost, a state of mind
based on a balance between good and evil, pain and love, fear and
conviction, anger and will power.

They are absolutely convinced that everybody else would like to become
born again creationist if they only knew how wonderful it is, and if
they could get there, so they gladly "help" others to become more
determined, more angry, to achieve the state of mind we call the holy
ghost.
That is why they do not hesitate to spread a lot of negativity and
negativity in newsgroups, they love that tough atmosphere themselves,
and they are convinced that others also need to learn to live with the
help of a lot of will power.

One wonders if such people have friends or are married.
Imagine having such a person as a friend, who always tell you to do
your own homework, read the fucking manual, and other less positive
ways to express oneself.

Don't they have any friends, are they living completely alone?
Or are they schizofrenic, so they are nice and forgiving towards their
wifes and children, and nasty towards everybody else?

That is the religious idea of the holy marriage, that you can only be
nice inside your own family, and they are completely different outside
the family.

We have been trying to abolish that system, those traditions, for
thousands of years, but they still linger on in the less educated
parts of the population.
Creationism is still a source of rudeness, agressivity, and violence,
in media, in schools, in workplaces, in the society.

They call themselves "aware", "awake", "responsible", but they are
just full of trickery, deception, violence and evil.
They are dominating the social life with their deceptive ways, and
they feel justified in their evil deeds because they assume that
everybody would like to be a speed-freak if they only knew how nice it
is, how you can feel powerful and smart compared to the relaxed and
natural people.

Creationism has lost ground to humanism steadily for thousands of
years, except for the last 20 years when it seems to have gained
influence again. Probably because of modern mass media, which have
spread the US-american creationist views and culture over the world,
which has led to a substantial degradation of the cultural life in
many parts of the world. The cultural freedom of the 60-ies which
produced lots of different kinds of music and social freedom has been
replaced by a monoculture which is very influenced by creationism and
violence.

Ever wondered why billions of youngsters over the world admire
gangsterlike rapper types who look like they should belong in a prison
rather than to be admired as "singers"?
Well, now you know why.


With God on our side..

--
Roger J.

(My email address is a spam trap, don't use it)
 
"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:49:14 -0400, "Arthur Jernberg"
stubby@comcast.net> Gave us:
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snip...snip....snip....

BLAPOMET or whatever the fuck's name is is the one that came in here
chomping at his troll bit, jumping on me. YOU need to figure out what
the hell you are saying and who you are saying it to.
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caught you lying again Dark. I came to praise your post, not bury it.

Some of us actually learned a few things as we grew up.
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But apparently not you Dark; you haven't grown up yet. Dark Matter (as
usenet poster), synonymous with home of the linguistically, emotionally and
intellectually challenged.
 
"Baphomet" <fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote in message
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"Roger Johansson" <no-email@home.se> wrote in message
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John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

Regardless of how I post, _this_ newsgroup won't be moderated, and I
could care less what Fortier does with any groups he chooses to start.

This group IS already moderated, by YOU, and it has been for years.

I have seen you beat up lots of people who protest against the rough
atmosphere you uphold here.

They have the choice between silently accept your rule, or get abused
if they protest.

They have to join the secret community of tough people or leave.
Those are the rules you uphold.

Heavy Snip...Snip...Snip...

Roger -

It's truly a joy to read your posts. It is so refreshing to know that
literacy is alive and well in the Western world, in spite of overwhelming
evidence to the contrary on the internet in general, and usenet in
particular. Keep up the good fight.

You're right, of course. John Fields is an abusive, foul mouthed bully
who like all good bullies, picks on the weak and defenseless of which I
can
guarantee, I am not one. He is probably off in some bar in Austin, sulking
since I read him the riot act yesterday. At least he has the good sense to
lay low for awhile until the heat dies down. Fortunately, I have a long
attention span and it will give me the greatest of pleasure to jump on his
case at every available opportunity...and I haven't even warmed up yet ;-)

Shoot, I'd better watch my step before I get accused of being a bully.
Can I recuse myself if I accuse myself? LOL
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Wanna form a posse?

John
 
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:58:10 -0700, "Baphomet"
<fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote:

"Roger Johansson" <no-email@home.se> wrote in message
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John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

Regardless of how I post, _this_ newsgroup won't be moderated, and I
could care less what Fortier does with any groups he chooses to start.

This group IS already moderated, by YOU, and it has been for years.

I have seen you beat up lots of people who protest against the rough
atmosphere you uphold here.

They have the choice between silently accept your rule, or get abused
if they protest.

They have to join the secret community of tough people or leave.
Those are the rules you uphold.

Heavy Snip...Snip...Snip...

Roger -

It's truly a joy to read your posts. It is so refreshing to know that
literacy is alive and well in the Western world, in spite of overwhelming
evidence to the contrary on the internet in general, and usenet in
particular. Keep up the good fight.

You're right, of course. John Fields is an abusive, foul mouthed bully
who like all good bullies, picks on the weak and defenseless of which I can
guarantee, I am not one. He is probably off in some bar in Austin, sulking
since I read him the riot act yesterday. At least he has the good sense to
lay low for awhile until the heat dies down. Fortunately, I have a long
attention span and it will give me the greatest of pleasure to jump on his
case at every available opportunity...and I haven't even warmed up yet ;-)

Shoot, I'd better watch my step before I get accused of being a bully.
Can I recuse myself if I accuse myself? LOL
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John Fields hardly needs me to defend him, but John DOES NOT pick on
the "weak and defenseless".

But, indeed, he does have a perverse need to pick on trolls of the
village-idiot persuasion.

If you want to "jump on his case", go ahead, be the next victim, make
John's day ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
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| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
"John Fortier" <jfortier@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Dbowey" <dbowey@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031020105350.17081.00000496@mb-m03.aol.com...
Darkmatter, you are either ill, or you are a mean spirited, ignorant
fool.
Or
perhaps both. You really should get straightened out and then return
(or
not)
with a new screen name.

You destroy too many threads.

Don

I couldn't agree more. If darkmatter's responses were even intelligent,
and
amusing, it wouldn't be so bad, but he's just ignorant and pointlessly
abusive.

One wonders what he imagines he is achieving by his petty, childish
tirades.
Certainly, he is not swaying anyone on this or any other newsgroup to his
opinions, which seem to be restricted to disagreeing with everyone,
insulting everyone with schoolyard silly talk and, figuratively, pulling
faces.

I know he'll respond to Don's response and to mine with more stupid,
pointless insults and rant, which will only prove our point further. (As
though it needed further proof!)

As I have advised before, ignore him; eventually he'll go away.

John
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I've been going through some of Dark's posts on other groups, you know, the
posts he claims aren't there and if they are, are forged by someone trying
to imitate him as if anyone would.

They all seem to be pretty much the same...little more than gratuitous
filthy one liners. What a tragic life he must lead...or then again, maybe
this is his life...and that would really be pathetic.

Most usenet posters seem to be on to him, knowing full well that he is
nothing but a liar, troublemaker and pot stirrer. Every rare once in a
while, he sneaks in a coherent post, possibly to throw people off guard and
possibly because he has sobered up, and then reverts back to his true, base,
and bombastic nature born of a stunning inferiority complex. I suspect he
may be a solitary alcoholic (both because of his nature and his bogus domain
name of "thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org"), only getting sufficient false
courage after belting down a few. It would certainly go a long way toward
explaining his lying, periodic outbursts of utterly inconsequential drivel,
and diminished attention span causing him to flit from group to group.

As you pointed out above, no further proof is necessary!
 
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:29:41 GMT, "John Fortier"
<jfortier@rochester.rr.com> wrote:

"Baphomet" <fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote in message
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"Roger Johansson" <no-email@home.se> wrote in message
news:5088pvg68rrlfr02ardkfs70nqlrro5rrj@4ax.com...
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

Regardless of how I post, _this_ newsgroup won't be moderated, and I
could care less what Fortier does with any groups he chooses to start.

This group IS already moderated, by YOU, and it has been for years.

I have seen you beat up lots of people who protest against the rough
atmosphere you uphold here.

They have the choice between silently accept your rule, or get abused
if they protest.

They have to join the secret community of tough people or leave.
Those are the rules you uphold.

Heavy Snip...Snip...Snip...

Roger -

It's truly a joy to read your posts. It is so refreshing to know that
literacy is alive and well in the Western world, in spite of overwhelming
evidence to the contrary on the internet in general, and usenet in
particular. Keep up the good fight.

You're right, of course. John Fields is an abusive, foul mouthed bully
who like all good bullies, picks on the weak and defenseless of which I
can
guarantee, I am not one. He is probably off in some bar in Austin, sulking
since I read him the riot act yesterday. At least he has the good sense to
lay low for awhile until the heat dies down. Fortunately, I have a long
attention span and it will give me the greatest of pleasure to jump on his
case at every available opportunity...and I haven't even warmed up yet ;-)

Shoot, I'd better watch my step before I get accused of being a bully.
Can I recuse myself if I accuse myself? LOL



Wanna form a posse?
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---
If you three pukes are going to be in it it should be called a pusse.

--
John Fields
 
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:50:29 -0700, "Baphomet"
<fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote:


Nah! He's just like a texas bronco; he has to be trained ;-) Where the heck
is my resident dominatrix?
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---
You better find out, you're gonna need her to "punish" you with that
strap-on up your ass for being a bad boy pretty soon.

--
John Fields
 
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:58:10 -0700, "Baphomet"
<fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote:


It's truly a joy to read your posts.
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You _enjoy_ reading paranoid, sophomoric twaddle?

--
John Fields
 
"Roger Johansson" <no-email@home.se> wrote in message
news:5088pvg68rrlfr02ardkfs70nqlrro5rrj@4ax.com...
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

Regardless of how I post, _this_ newsgroup won't be moderated, and I
could care less what Fortier does with any groups he chooses to start.

This group IS already moderated, by YOU, and it has been for years.

I have seen you beat up lots of people who protest against the rough
atmosphere you uphold here.

They have the choice between silently accept your rule, or get abused
if they protest.

They have to join the secret community of tough people or leave.
Those are the rules you uphold.
Click to expand...
Heavy Snip...Snip...Snip...

Roger -

It's truly a joy to read your posts. It is so refreshing to know that
literacy is alive and well in the Western world, in spite of overwhelming
evidence to the contrary on the internet in general, and usenet in
particular. Keep up the good fight.

You're right, of course. John Fields is an abusive, foul mouthed bully
who like all good bullies, picks on the weak and defenseless of which I can
guarantee, I am not one. He is probably off in some bar in Austin, sulking
since I read him the riot act yesterday. At least he has the good sense to
lay low for awhile until the heat dies down. Fortunately, I have a long
attention span and it will give me the greatest of pleasure to jump on his
case at every available opportunity...and I haven't even warmed up yet ;-)

Shoot, I'd better watch my step before I get accused of being a bully.
Can I recuse myself if I accuse myself? LOL
 
"Jim Thompson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:9li8pvg17skhufn88b50u1bnn65chao3ra@4ax.com...
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:58:10 -0700, "Baphomet"
fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote:


"Roger Johansson" <no-email@home.se> wrote in message
news:5088pvg68rrlfr02ardkfs70nqlrro5rrj@4ax.com...
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

Regardless of how I post, _this_ newsgroup won't be moderated, and I
could care less what Fortier does with any groups he chooses to start.

This group IS already moderated, by YOU, and it has been for years.

I have seen you beat up lots of people who protest against the rough
atmosphere you uphold here.

They have the choice between silently accept your rule, or get abused
if they protest.

They have to join the secret community of tough people or leave.
Those are the rules you uphold.

Heavy Snip...Snip...Snip...

Roger -

It's truly a joy to read your posts. It is so refreshing to know that
literacy is alive and well in the Western world, in spite of overwhelming
evidence to the contrary on the internet in general, and usenet in
particular. Keep up the good fight.

You're right, of course. John Fields is an abusive, foul mouthed bully
who like all good bullies, picks on the weak and defenseless of which I
can
guarantee, I am not one. He is probably off in some bar in Austin,
sulking
since I read him the riot act yesterday. At least he has the good sense
to
lay low for awhile until the heat dies down. Fortunately, I have a long
attention span and it will give me the greatest of pleasure to jump on
his
case at every available opportunity...and I haven't even warmed up yet
;-)

Shoot, I'd better watch my step before I get accused of being a bully.
Can I recuse myself if I accuse myself? LOL


John Fields hardly needs me to defend him, but John DOES NOT pick on
the "weak and defenseless".

But, indeed, he does have a perverse need to pick on trolls of the
village-idiot persuasion.

If you want to "jump on his case", go ahead, be the next victim, make
John's day ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
Funnily enough, those harping on about John are names I don't recognise
Click to expand...
(maybe I automatically filter out twaddle). In JF's defense, the only time
he's called me an idiot has been when I've typed whilst in a different room
to my brain.

Cheers.

Ken
 
"John Fortier" <jfortier@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:VAXkb.7435$%a2.5762@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
"Baphomet" <fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote in message
news:vp8c27ml08sp7c@corp.supernews.com...

"Roger Johansson" <no-email@home.se> wrote in message
news:5088pvg68rrlfr02ardkfs70nqlrro5rrj@4ax.com...
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

Regardless of how I post, _this_ newsgroup won't be moderated, and I
could care less what Fortier does with any groups he chooses to
start.

This group IS already moderated, by YOU, and it has been for years.

I have seen you beat up lots of people who protest against the rough
atmosphere you uphold here.

They have the choice between silently accept your rule, or get abused
if they protest.

They have to join the secret community of tough people or leave.
Those are the rules you uphold.

Heavy Snip...Snip...Snip...

Roger -

It's truly a joy to read your posts. It is so refreshing to know that
literacy is alive and well in the Western world, in spite of
overwhelming
evidence to the contrary on the internet in general, and usenet in
particular. Keep up the good fight.

You're right, of course. John Fields is an abusive, foul mouthed
bully
who like all good bullies, picks on the weak and defenseless of which I
can
guarantee, I am not one. He is probably off in some bar in Austin,
sulking
since I read him the riot act yesterday. At least he has the good sense
to
lay low for awhile until the heat dies down. Fortunately, I have a long
attention span and it will give me the greatest of pleasure to jump on
his
case at every available opportunity...and I haven't even warmed up yet
;-)

Shoot, I'd better watch my step before I get accused of being a
bully.
Can I recuse myself if I accuse myself? LOL



Wanna form a posse?
Click to expand...
Nah! He's just like a texas bronco; he has to be trained ;-) Where the heck
is my resident dominatrix?
 
"Jim Thompson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:9li8pvg17skhufn88b50u1bnn65chao3ra@4ax.com...
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:58:10 -0700, "Baphomet"
fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote:


"Roger Johansson" <no-email@home.se> wrote in message
news:5088pvg68rrlfr02ardkfs70nqlrro5rrj@4ax.com...
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

Regardless of how I post, _this_ newsgroup won't be moderated, and I
could care less what Fortier does with any groups he chooses to start.

This group IS already moderated, by YOU, and it has been for years.

I have seen you beat up lots of people who protest against the rough
atmosphere you uphold here.

They have the choice between silently accept your rule, or get abused
if they protest.

They have to join the secret community of tough people or leave.
Those are the rules you uphold.

Heavy Snip...Snip...Snip...

Roger -

It's truly a joy to read your posts. It is so refreshing to know that
literacy is alive and well in the Western world, in spite of overwhelming
evidence to the contrary on the internet in general, and usenet in
particular. Keep up the good fight.

You're right, of course. John Fields is an abusive, foul mouthed bully
who like all good bullies, picks on the weak and defenseless of which I
can
guarantee, I am not one. He is probably off in some bar in Austin,
sulking
since I read him the riot act yesterday. At least he has the good sense
to
lay low for awhile until the heat dies down. Fortunately, I have a long
attention span and it will give me the greatest of pleasure to jump on
his
case at every available opportunity...and I haven't even warmed up yet
;-)

Shoot, I'd better watch my step before I get accused of being a bully.
Can I recuse myself if I accuse myself? LOL


John Fields hardly needs me to defend him, but John DOES NOT pick on
the "weak and defenseless".

But, indeed, he does have a perverse need to pick on trolls of the
village-idiot persuasion.

If you want to "jump on his case", go ahead, be the next victim, make
John's day ;-)

...Jim Thompson
Click to expand...
I just love a good donnybrook...must be the Irish in my soul. Maybe I'll
make both of our days ;-)
 
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:19:36 -0700, "Baphomet"
<fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote:

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:hnl8pv8r5esl80juaq80ep45n5qabi5ll1@4ax.com...
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:50:29 -0700, "Baphomet"
fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote:


Nah! He's just like a texas bronco; he has to be trained ;-) Where the
heck
is my resident dominatrix?

---
You better find out, you're gonna need her to "punish" you with that
strap-on up your ass for being a bad boy pretty soon.

Are you a john John? Promises...you give me nothing but promises...but can
you deliver? I remember a drill instructor once saying that Texas has
nothing but steers and queers...and you don't look like a steer.
Click to expand...
---
Sounds like you'd like to move here, since either way you'd wind up with
a horn up your ass.

--
John Fields
 
"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:97l8pvcb1pb5qpbvdi9edjodrhhvshfdh7@4ax.com...
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:29:41 GMT, "John Fortier"
jfortier@rochester.rr.com> wrote:


"Baphomet" <fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote in message
news:vp8c27ml08sp7c@corp.supernews.com...

"Roger Johansson" <no-email@home.se> wrote in message
news:5088pvg68rrlfr02ardkfs70nqlrro5rrj@4ax.com...
John Fields <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

Regardless of how I post, _this_ newsgroup won't be moderated, and I
could care less what Fortier does with any groups he chooses to
start.

This group IS already moderated, by YOU, and it has been for years.

I have seen you beat up lots of people who protest against the rough
atmosphere you uphold here.

They have the choice between silently accept your rule, or get abused
if they protest.

They have to join the secret community of tough people or leave.
Those are the rules you uphold.

Heavy Snip...Snip...Snip...

Roger -

It's truly a joy to read your posts. It is so refreshing to know
that
literacy is alive and well in the Western world, in spite of
overwhelming
evidence to the contrary on the internet in general, and usenet in
particular. Keep up the good fight.

You're right, of course. John Fields is an abusive, foul mouthed
bully
who like all good bullies, picks on the weak and defenseless of which I
can
guarantee, I am not one. He is probably off in some bar in Austin,
sulking
since I read him the riot act yesterday. At least he has the good sense
to
lay low for awhile until the heat dies down. Fortunately, I have a long
attention span and it will give me the greatest of pleasure to jump on
his
case at every available opportunity...and I haven't even warmed up yet
;-)

Shoot, I'd better watch my step before I get accused of being a
bully.
Can I recuse myself if I accuse myself? LOL



Wanna form a posse?

---
If you three pukes are going to be in it it should be called a pusse.

--
John Fields
Click to expand...
Are you taking linguistics from Dark Matter by any chance ;-)
 
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:23:06 -0700, "Baphomet"
<fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote:


Me too! God, I haven't had this much fun since they made Quaaludes illegal.
Click to expand...
---
That certainly explains the soporific quality of your posts.

--
John Fields
 
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