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[Richard Henry]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote in
message news:1gqqe0lcf492rmk44kdbppeg1h1eq04r0c@4ax.com...

You can prove it yourself: just stand in front of a movie theater and
watch the tickets being sold. MM has a $2M apartment in NYC and a
megabuck country home in Maryland or somewhere, and that's just from
the book sales. Look it up.

MM, like Rush, is a greedy and dishonest and rich entertainer. Geez,
do you think he does this out of principle? Delusion indeed.

Are you saying MM should be a Republican?

 

[Richard Henry]

"Roger Gt" <not@here.net> wrote in message
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"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
news:40ed712e$0$1183$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
: John Larkin wrote:

: > Not at all. I'm calling you humorless. I hope your family
isn't as
: > grim as you are.
:
: I certainly am not humorless! I am, however, very serious about
this
: subject. Gun owners have been attacked in all directions by
decent
: folks like you. All of these unprovoked attacks make us a bit
testy.
:
: >>The silly statistic that I was writing about, as you well
know,
: >>is the "43 to 1" BS that you were parroting.
:
: > Did I mention the number 43? Hell, I didn't even mention the
number 1.
: > OK, I confess, I did use the word "to".
:
: John, you used the standard phrase that implied that a gun owner
was
: more likely to kill his own family than to ward off a burgler...
not
: the exact words, but words to that effect. That concept is one
that has
: been *heavily* advertised by the HCI folks in their drive to
demonize guns
: and gun owners. As I pointed out, that concept was spearheaded
by a
: paper written by Kellerman, an HCI stooge, and published in the
New England
: Journal of Medicine. The study was very flawed. Among other
problems,
: it did not include anything about the number of crimes warded
off by the
: simple showing of a gun.
:
: As an aside: The FBI's UCB is a survey that is filled with
information
: reported by local police on the various crimes that get reported
in the
: US. The UCB shows somewhere around 90,000 crimes are stopped,
by common
: ordinary folks, through the use of guns each year! And those
are only
: the ones where people took the time to file a report with the
police.
:
: Common experience should tell you that if 90,000 people took the
time
: to report crimes that were averted, many times that number
didn't
: take the effort....after all, the criminal act was prevented
from being
: carried out, and in many locations, using a gun to prevent a
crime is
: a crime in itself.
:
:
: > The problem with rationally discussion guns is that, mostly,
you
: > can't. That says a lot, right there.
:
: I can't think of anything I have written that would lead you to
believe this.
: In my eyes, I have been very rational with my rebuttle of your
statements...
: Unless, of course, anyone who disagrees with you is
automatically
: irrational.
: -Chuck


Chuck:
The number 43 is "the meaning of life" according to the book "The
Hitch hikers Guide to the Galaxy" ...

42.

Which we later discover is the HGTTG answer to the question "what is 6 times
9?"

Which is true in base 13.

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 16:40:35 GMT, "Roger Gt" <not@here.net> wrote:

"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
news:40ed712e$0$1183$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
: John Larkin wrote:

: > Not at all. I'm calling you humorless. I hope your family
isn't as
: > grim as you are.
:
: I certainly am not humorless! I am, however, very serious about
this
: subject. Gun owners have been attacked in all directions by
decent
: folks like you. All of these unprovoked attacks make us a bit
testy.
:
: >>The silly statistic that I was writing about, as you well
know,
: >>is the "43 to 1" BS that you were parroting.
:
: > Did I mention the number 43? Hell, I didn't even mention the
number 1.
: > OK, I confess, I did use the word "to".
:
: John, you used the standard phrase that implied that a gun owner
was
: more likely to kill his own family than to ward off a burgler...
not
: the exact words, but words to that effect. That concept is one
that has
: been *heavily* advertised by the HCI folks in their drive to
demonize guns
: and gun owners. As I pointed out, that concept was spearheaded
by a
: paper written by Kellerman, an HCI stooge, and published in the
New England
: Journal of Medicine. The study was very flawed. Among other
problems,
: it did not include anything about the number of crimes warded
off by the
: simple showing of a gun.
:
: As an aside: The FBI's UCB is a survey that is filled with
information
: reported by local police on the various crimes that get reported
in the
: US. The UCB shows somewhere around 90,000 crimes are stopped,
by common
: ordinary folks, through the use of guns each year! And those
are only
: the ones where people took the time to file a report with the
police.
:
: Common experience should tell you that if 90,000 people took the
time
: to report crimes that were averted, many times that number
didn't
: take the effort....after all, the criminal act was prevented
from being
: carried out, and in many locations, using a gun to prevent a
crime is
: a crime in itself.
:
:
: > The problem with rationally discussion guns is that, mostly,
you
: > can't. That says a lot, right there.
:
: I can't think of anything I have written that would lead you to
believe this.
: In my eyes, I have been very rational with my rebuttle of your
statements...
: Unless, of course, anyone who disagrees with you is
automatically
: irrational.
: -Chuck


Chuck:
The number 43 is "the meaning of life" according to the book "The
Hitch hikers Guide to the Galaxy" and has been used for emotional
effect in a number of reports and papers to support otherwise
unsupportable positions. BTW: thanks for the link, I added it to
my reference files.

However your in a discussion with someone who is simply incapable
of understanding anything which does not agree with his totally
irrational position.

Apparently even posing the question about the merits of keeping a
loaded gun around the house is "irrational." Damn, but people *love*
their guns!

He will simply ignore references, or deride
then as old, biased, or not applying to the topic. BTDT. His
spelling errors go further than a simple typo, and create a
pattern indicating a latent learning disability.

I have a lifetime typing disability. When I type anything important, I
just give it to a minion to process in Word, and they make it pretty.

This isn't important.

I agree that he should not have a gun, he WOULD likely kill
himself accidentally or on purpose to prove his own twisted point.

I've owned and shot lots of guns. Guns are wonderful, maybe too
wonderful to be considered impassionately.

It's interesting that two of the most dangerous objects we deal with -
guns and cars - are such objects of passion. Also interesting that
both are powered by chemical explosions.

Also from what I could glean I strongly suspect that his support
of criminals in trying to protect them from being shot when caught
in the act, or threatening someone in the commission of a crime,
is due to his having been convicted of a felony and being unable
to buy or possess arms. He also claims to be an engineer, but
that might mean he drives trains or earthmovers.

I design instrumentation, high-precision and picosecond speed stuff,
mostly of late. Never been arrested, except for the time they hauled
me in for driving my motorcycle on the levee at 2AM.

PS: I have deliberately omitted any analysis which might reflect
negatively on Mr. Larkin. So this expose is not comprehensive.

Jeez, reflect all you want. This is a "discussion" group.

John

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 09:50:36 -0700, "Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com>
wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote in
message news:1gqqe0lcf492rmk44kdbppeg1h1eq04r0c@4ax.com...

You can prove it yourself: just stand in front of a movie theater and
watch the tickets being sold. MM has a $2M apartment in NYC and a
megabuck country home in Maryland or somewhere, and that's just from
the book sales. Look it up.

MM, like Rush, is a greedy and dishonest and rich entertainer. Geez,
do you think he does this out of principle? Delusion indeed.

Are you saying MM should be a Republican?

I'm saying that governance ought to be a rational activity, not a team
sport.

John

 

In <qUoSwmvrQnN4F74420AAdo0yn4IlaiJl@alt.sex.midgets>, "tholen@antispam.ham, the horn-mad, transmitting grocery boy" <hsZptiTlsw84@alt.sex.midgets> writes:

Still obsessed with a fake identity, eh?

Excellent self-*NUKE*, tholen.

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do
with OS/2, faker?

 

[Bill Garber]

"Chuck Harris" <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote in message
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: Bill Garber wrote:
:
: > : off the coast safe pollution-wise?
: >
: > Oh for heaven's sake. You can get Abalone in the
: > grocery store, right next to the Tuna. There was
: > a time they could call it Tuna as long as they listed
: > Abalone under the ingredients list. ) Maybe they
:
: I don't get this! Abalone is a large spiral shelled
: gastropod mollusk. It isn't anything like tuna.
:
: Perhaps you are thinking of albacore, which is a sea
: mackrel?
:
: -Chuck

Yes, DUH! ( slaps forehead ) Sorry about that.

( slinks away in shame nevermore to post atrocities )

Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
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[Bill Garber]

"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in
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: On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:05:22 -0400, the renowned "Bill Garber"
: <willy46pa@comcast DOT net> wrote:
: >
: >Oh for heaven's sake. You can get Abalone in the
: >grocery store, right next to the Tuna. There was
: >a time they could call it Tuna as long as they listed
: >Abalone under the ingredients list. ) Maybe they
: >still can. )
:
: It's a shellfish that glomps onto rocks at the bottom.
:
: http://www.werc.usgs.gov/coastal/abalone.html

Oh gee thanks. Now that I know what they look like,
I know I won't be eating that, although I have many
times enjoyed Squid and Shark, and they don't rate
high on the good lookers list. )

Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
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Email - willy46pa @ comcast DOT net
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[John Larkin]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 19:37:39 GMT, Bob Stephens
<stephensyomamadigital@earthlink.net> wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 15:29:22 -0400, Chuck Harris wrote:

Bill Garber wrote:

: off the coast safe pollution-wise?

Oh for heaven's sake. You can get Abalone in the
grocery store, right next to the Tuna. There was
a time they could call it Tuna as long as they listed
Abalone under the ingredients list. ) Maybe they

I don't get this! Abalone is a large spiral shelled
gastropod mollusk. It isn't anything like tuna.

Perhaps you are thinking of albacore, which is a sea
mackrel?

-Chuck

I hate to nitpick, but Abalone shells are not spiral. They're shaped like a
helmet. Very useful for ashtrays.

Bob

They have that cool row of holes in the side, like a '53 Buick.

John

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:15:07 -0400, the renowned "Bill Garber"
<willy46pa@comcast DOT net> wrote:

"Spehro Pefhany" <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote in
message news:jsare0tou3nsecrfa6oak4obo58kk676ur@4ax.com...
: On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:05:22 -0400, the renowned "Bill Garber"
: <willy46pa@comcast DOT net> wrote:
:
: >Oh for heaven's sake. You can get Abalone in the
: >grocery store, right next to the Tuna. There was
: >a time they could call it Tuna as long as they listed
: >Abalone under the ingredients list. ) Maybe they
: >still can. )
:
: It's a shellfish that glomps onto rocks at the bottom.
:
: http://www.werc.usgs.gov/coastal/abalone.html

Oh gee thanks. Now that I know what they look like,
I know I won't be eating that, although I have many
times enjoyed Squid and Shark, and they don't rate
high on the good lookers list. )

How about some geoduck? Now here is a handsome specimen with quite the
manly siphon:

http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/geoduck.jpg

Avoid Abbalone too, they come from Sweden and make sounds that become
irritating with repetition.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:07:06 -0400, Chuck Harris
<cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:

Common experience should tell you that if 90,000 people took the time
to report crimes that were averted, many times that number didn't
take the effort....after all, the criminal act was prevented from being
carried out, and in many locations, using a gun to prevent a crime is
a crime in itself.

As I said, my *personal* (admittedly not "common") experience is that
three good people I knew died by gunshot, I feel that the presence of
a gun made it more likely for it to happen, and I don't personally
know of a single situation where a gun did any good. Maybe just my
luck. What's your experience?

John

The problem with rationally discussion guns is that, mostly, you
can't. That says a lot, right there.

I can't think of anything I have written that would lead you to believe this.
In my eyes, I have been very rational with my rebuttle of your statements...
Unless, of course, anyone who disagrees with you is automatically
irrational.

-Chuck

 

[Roger Gt]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com>
wrote in message
news:4ecre0dn5pth9jchktiv5f0r9ig3u4q91a@4ax.com...
: On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:07:06 -0400, Chuck Harris
: <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:
:
: >
: >Common experience should tell you that if 90,000 people took
the time
: >to report crimes that were averted, many times that number
didn't
: >take the effort....after all, the criminal act was prevented
from being
: >carried out, and in many locations, using a gun to prevent a
crime is
: >a crime in itself.
: >
:
: As I said, my *personal* (admittedly not "common") experience is
that
: three good people I knew died by gunshot, I feel that the
presence of
: a gun made it more likely for it to happen, and I don't
personally
: know of a single situation where a gun did any good. Maybe just
my
: luck. What's your experience?
: John


Three of my friends died in a Kaiser hospital. Not from what they
went in to have treated or operated on. Should we close the
hospital?

 

[tholen@antispam.ham, the]

tholen@antispam.ham wrote:

In <qUoSwmvrQnN4F74420AAdo0yn4IlaiJl@alt.sex.midgets>,
"tholen@antispam.ham, the horn-mad, transmitting grocery boy"
hsZptiTlsw84@alt.sex.midgets> writes:

Still obsessed with a fake identity, eh?

Excellent self-*NUKE*, tholen.

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do
with OS/2

Everything.

faker?

Fakir.

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 21:22:31 GMT, "Roger Gt" <not@here.net> wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com
wrote in message
news:4ecre0dn5pth9jchktiv5f0r9ig3u4q91a@4ax.com...
: On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:07:06 -0400, Chuck Harris
: <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:
:
:
: >Common experience should tell you that if 90,000 people took
the time
: >to report crimes that were averted, many times that number
didn't
: >take the effort....after all, the criminal act was prevented
from being
: >carried out, and in many locations, using a gun to prevent a
crime is
: >a crime in itself.
:
:
: As I said, my *personal* (admittedly not "common") experience is
that
: three good people I knew died by gunshot, I feel that the
presence of
: a gun made it more likely for it to happen, and I don't
personally
: know of a single situation where a gun did any good. Maybe just
my
: luck. What's your experience?
: John


Three of my friends died in a Kaiser hospital. Not from what they
went in to have treated or operated on. Should we close the
hospital?

So, no actual experiences with gun violence. Lucky you.

John

 

[Roger Gt]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com>
wrote in message
news:80rre0lp2k1ebbnihee84iaduu55h1oi07@4ax.com...
: On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 21:22:31 GMT, "Roger Gt" <not@here.net>
wrote:
:
: >
: >"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com>
: >wrote in message
: >news:4ecre0dn5pth9jchktiv5f0r9ig3u4q91a@4ax.com...
: >: On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:07:06 -0400, Chuck Harris
: >: <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:
: >: >Common experience should tell you that if 90,000 people took
: >the time
: >: >to report crimes that were averted, many times that number
: >didn't
: >: >take the effort....after all, the criminal act was prevented
: >from being
: >: >carried out, and in many locations, using a gun to prevent a
: >crime is
: >: >a crime in itself.
: >:
: >: As I said, my *personal* (admittedly not "common") experience
is
: >that
: >: three good people I knew died by gunshot, I feel that the
: >presence of
: >: a gun made it more likely for it to happen, and I don't
: >personally
: >: know of a single situation where a gun did any good. Maybe
just
: >my
: >: luck. What's your experience?
: >: John
: >
: >Three of my friends died in a Kaiser hospital. Not from what
they
: >went in to have treated or operated on. Should we close the
: >hospital?
:
: So, no actual experiences with gun violence. Lucky you.
: John

Gun Violence is EXTREMELY rare! No one in my family or in the
Historical re-enactment group (About 150) have ever had a brush
with an incident.









:

 

[Mark Fergerson]

Richard Henry wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote in
message news:1gqqe0lcf492rmk44kdbppeg1h1eq04r0c@4ax.com...


You can prove it yourself: just stand in front of a movie theater and
watch the tickets being sold. MM has a $2M apartment in NYC and a
megabuck country home in Maryland or somewhere, and that's just from
the book sales. Look it up.

MM, like Rush, is a greedy and dishonest and rich entertainer. Geez,
do you think he does this out of principle? Delusion indeed.

Are you saying MM should be a Republican?

Can't speak for John, but I'll say they're less different
than they want you to think.

Mark L. Fergerson

 

[Paul Burridge]

On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 06:03:29 GMT, "Kevin Aylward"
<salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote:

Resistance is futile.

It makes no real business sense for a company to continue to support two
products like this. they aint goanna change their mind on this one

Can you suggest an alternative simulation package for the serious
electronic designer, Kev? LT springs to mind, but do you know of any
others worthy of recommendation?
--

"What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793.

 

In <SDK9Kp77JVZF92C8D80Em91kWXnOMcvB@alt.sex.masturbation>, "tholen@antispam.ham, the goat-herded, gracing frog" <R3GgdL0AQBfB@alt.sex.masturbation> writes:

In <qUoSwmvrQnN4F74420AAdo0yn4IlaiJl@alt.sex.midgets>,
"tholen@antispam.ham, the horn-mad, transmitting grocery boy"
hsZptiTlsw84@alt.sex.midgets> writes:

Still obsessed with a fake identity, eh?

Excellent self-*NUKE*, tholen.

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do
with OS/2

Everything.

Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim. But I will note that you
didn't deny making a classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.

faker?

Fakir.

Non sequitur.

 

[James Brown]

tholen@antispam.ham wrote:

Non sequitur.

PAPA'S GOT A BRAND NEW BAG !

 

[Chuck Harris]

John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:07:06 -0400, Chuck Harris
cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:


Common experience should tell you that if 90,000 people took the time
to report crimes that were averted, many times that number didn't
take the effort....after all, the criminal act was prevented from being
carried out, and in many locations, using a gun to prevent a crime is
a crime in itself.



As I said, my *personal* (admittedly not "common") experience is that
three good people I knew died by gunshot, I feel that the presence of
a gun made it more likely for it to happen, and I don't personally
know of a single situation where a gun did any good. Maybe just my
luck. What's your experience?

John

In the course of my life, I knew two people who used a gun to
commit suicide. The time span between their deaths was 30 years.
I consider suicide to be a shame, but a god given right, none the
less.

I cannot recall hearing of any of my friends using a gun to actively
protect themselves, or their property.... well, any of my non law
enforcement friends.

I know 3 cops. Two are retired after long careers on the street, one
is a chief of a small police department. None have ever shot anyone
with their guns. None have ever been shot at. All used their guns
as a deterrent. All brandished their guns to encourage people to
stop what they were doing. In discussing this very subject with
one cop friend after he retired, he told me that he knew of only
2 or 3 cops in his career that had ever killed anyone. Each of these
cops had killed or wounded people numbering into the double
digits. There is a lesson in there somewhere.

I knew 10 people who were pedestrians, killed by automobiles.
I knew 3 people who were killed while riding motorcycles.
I knew more than a dozen who were killed in automobile accidents.
I knew a dozen, killed in household accidents. Mostly falls.
And dozens who died of natural causes, and one killed through
a medical misadventure.

In highschool, 1/10th of the class that graduated before me died young
in one way, or another. None were homocides. Only one involved
a gun used in suicide. Most were automobile accidents, OD's, or
suicides. I couple of these kids were close friends, but most were
just faces in the hall...

What conclusions do I draw from all this death? People always die
from something. Very few of them die from anything to do with guns
or violence.

-Chuck

 

James Brown <Godfather@Of.Soul> writes:

Non sequitur.

PAPA'S GOT A BRAND NEW BAG !

Also non sequitur.