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On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:09:50 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 12:28:00 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:



At my old location I had a neighbor about a block away, took a swing
at his wife, but she ducked and his arm went thru a glass window...
bled to death before the next-door neighbor (a doctor) could do
anything.

...Jim Thompson


Doesn't sound like she was in any great rush to apply a tourniquet.
Serves him right, beating up on women. Or windows. Whatever.

John
Talking to the doctor at that incident, underarm between elbow and
shoulder is about the worst place to get a slash wound :-(

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 20:01:25 GMT, "Roger Gt" <not@here.net> wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com
wrote in message
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: On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:24:35 -0400, Chuck Harris
: <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:
:
: >John Larkin wrote:
: >>>I'm sure that you are wrong. Japan has the highest suicide
rate in
: >>>the world... and no legal gun ownership. How *DO* they do
it?
: >>>-Chuck Harris
: >> Well, David probably wouldn't have been able to kill the
senator with
: >> his bare hands (the old fart was BIG) so the whole thing
likely would
: >> have ended up in shouting or scuffling.
: >A piddling swing with a baseball bat to his head would do the
trick
: >just fine. We should outlaw baseball bats.
:
: I can only cite my personal experience (since nobody will
believe
: statistics when they contradict his prejudices):
: Two guys I knew, dead from self-inflicted gunshots
:
: One murder by gunshot
:
: Two killings of people I didn't know, on my block, when I lived
across
: from the Projects.

So you lived in a bad area and so everyone should be punished and
loose their rights because it upset you? Gat real, see a shrink!

: Zero murders/suicides by other means. Note zero murders/suicides
in
: households that had baseball bats, but no guns.

How would you know? Many are not reported in the media!

: Zero examples of defense of home/hearth against intruders

Again, you have the media filtering what you hear and they tend to
favor gun control so they only report when it sounds like
something that will put the spin on the story they want you to
swallow!
As I noted, this is my personal experience, not stats or news. Guns
have, so far, not done me any good. The few critters I've shot didn't
even taste as good as prime farm products, and you don't have to shoot
abalone.

Given that the situation is not going to change, physically (too many
guns out there now) or politically (no Constitutional amendment
changes any time soon) the only question is really: shall I have a gun
or guns in my own house? Will guns make my family safer or put them in
more danger? There's certainly no pat answer, but I'd certainly not
want to have a gun around in a household with kids, especially in a
suburb where violent crime is rare anyhow. Even if you get burgled,
you're probably better off letting them have the stuff than
instigating a gun battle in a house full of innocents. But that's not
a macho position to take, I realize. As an engineer, I try to make
decisions based on the best facts I can find, and not by how something
feels to my 2-million-year-old hormones.

John
 
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 18:36:08 GMT, "Roger Gt" <not@here.net> wrote:

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com
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: On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:55:49 -0400, Chuck Harris
: <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:
:
: >John Larkin wrote:
: > I'm sure neither of the suicides would have
: >> happened sucessfully without a gun being handy.

I notice you have a problem with the word "successfully" No
spelling checker?
Not for ng postings. You most likely understood what I meant.

John
 
"Roger Gt" <not@here.net> wrote in message
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: "Steve Sousa" <etsteve@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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: :
: : "Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast DOT net> wrote in message
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: :
: : > The problem here that you are overlooking is,
: : > if they take MY guns away, that drug dealer
: : > will still have his. He doesn't get them the
: :
: : My understanding is:
: : In a life or dead situation, if you shot that dealer and
live,
: you die
: : anyway. Am i wrong?
: : Greetings Steve Sousa
:
: Yes you are! It altogether depends upon the situation and
whether
: you were in fear of your life (Police are always in fear of
their
: lives and they shoot anyone or anything that moves without
: consequence!)
:
: And if I am on the jury, you walk!

Thanks Roger. I couldn't have said it any better. :eek:)

Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
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"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 19:50:29 GMT, "Robert C Monsen"
rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote:

[snip]
If that is what you are saying, then I would counter on two fronts.
First, my belief is that private gun ownership does not, in fact,
deter crime. Neighborhoods with more guns are subject to more
crime.
If gun ownership prevented crime, that would probably not be true.

[snip]

Bob Monsen


Please cite some *facts*/*references* to support your statements
above.
http://www2.gol.com/users/coynerhm/gun_control.htm

There is a town (in Georgia if I remember correctly) that *requires*
every citizen to own a gun. Result, burglaries went virtually to
zero.

Here, in Phoenix, where it's legal to carry, even without a permit,
if
the gun is visible, have a **much** lower crime rate than New York
City, where guns are theoretically banned.

Now we do suffer from an occasional gun battle amongst "illegals",
but, to my mind, they're expendable anyway ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
"Roger Gt" <not@here.net> wrote in message
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Random <snips> of dead portions of the thread. Not all labeled!

I see no point in continuing this, you have demonstrated an
unwillingness to learn, or to even seriously consider an
alternative to your sick beliefs.

Goodbye, stay out of high crime neighborhoods.
Thank God. Well, I'll keep my sick (sic) beliefs about gun ownership.
The truth is shown by comparison of violent crime in the US with other
countries. I'm sure you have some NRA propaganda to use to indicate
that that isn't true, but you've promised to stop, so...

Regards
Bob Monsen
 
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 22:37:47 GMT, "Robert C Monsen"
<rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
Please cite some *facts*/*references* to support your statements
above.


http://www2.gol.com/users/coynerhm/gun_control.htm

[snip]

Sounds like your typical liberal BS to me ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
"Robert C Monsen" <rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote in message
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:
: "Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
: news:9dooe015v25l9656b4o6psklf48j8apq1p@4ax.com...
: > On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 19:50:29 GMT, "Robert C Monsen"
: > <rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote:
: >
: > [snip]
: > >If that is what you are saying, then I would counter on two
fronts.
: > >First, my belief is that private gun ownership does not, in
fact,
: > >deter crime. Neighborhoods with more guns are subject to
more
: crime.
: > >If gun ownership prevented crime, that would probably not be
true.
: > >
: > [snip]
: > >
: > >Bob Monsen
: > >
: >
: > Please cite some *facts*/*references* to support your
statements
: > above.
: >
:
: http://www2.gol.com/users/coynerhm/gun_control.htm

I'm sorry, but your reference makes NO reference to
actual statistical reports of any kind. Please provide
a reference which makes reference to such statistics.

Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
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"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 22:37:47 GMT, "Robert C Monsen"
rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote:


"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
Please cite some *facts*/*references* to support your statements
above.


http://www2.gol.com/users/coynerhm/gun_control.htm

[snip]

Sounds like your typical liberal BS to me ;-)
"The Economist" spouting sick democrat propaganda again... ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
"Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast DOT net> wrote in message
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"Robert C Monsen" <rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote in message
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:
: "Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
: news:9dooe015v25l9656b4o6psklf48j8apq1p@4ax.com...
: > On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 19:50:29 GMT, "Robert C Monsen"
: > <rcsurname@comcast.net> wrote:
:
: > [snip]
: > >If that is what you are saying, then I would counter on two
fronts.
: > >First, my belief is that private gun ownership does not, in
fact,
: > >deter crime. Neighborhoods with more guns are subject to
more
: crime.
: > >If gun ownership prevented crime, that would probably not be
true.
:
: > [snip]
:
: > >Bob Monsen
:
:
: > Please cite some *facts*/*references* to support your
statements
: > above.
:
:
: http://www2.gol.com/users/coynerhm/gun_control.htm

I'm sorry, but your reference makes NO reference to
actual statistical reports of any kind. Please provide
a reference which makes reference to such statistics.
If you go read the web page, you'll note that the article is just a
summary of a study, and there are footnotes to the studies referenced
down at the bottom. I'm sure the actual paper gives lots of
statistics, since it appears to be a statistical study. You may have
to go to the library to dig out the references.

Regards,
Bob Monsen

Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
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"Steve Sousa" <etsteve@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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:
: "Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast DOT net> wrote in message
: news:l6CdncRIldmT93HdRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
: >
: > "Roger Gt" <not@here.net> wrote in message
: > news:gqYGc.7639$yW6.5315@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com...
: > :
: > : "Steve Sousa" <etsteve@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: > : news:newscache$znvh0i$lyg$1@newsfront4.netvisao.pt...
: > : :
: > : : "Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast DOT net> wrote in
message
: > : : news:v5OdnfwklLcm6nbdRVn_iw@comcast.com...
: > : :
: > : : > The problem here that you are overlooking is,
: > : : > if they take MY guns away, that drug dealer
: > : : > will still have his. He doesn't get them the
: > : :
: > : : My understanding is:
: > : : In a life or dead situation, if you shot that dealer and
: > live,
: > : you die
: > : : anyway. Am i wrong?
: > : : Greetings Steve Sousa
: > :
: > : Yes you are! It altogether depends upon the situation and
: > whether
: > : you were in fear of your life (Police are always in fear of
: > their
: > : lives and they shoot anyone or anything that moves without
: > : consequence!)
: > :
: > : And if I am on the jury, you walk!
: >
: > Thanks Roger. I couldn't have said it any better. :eek:)
:
: I didn't explain myself correctly. I should have stressed the
word "dealer".
: I wasn't refering to being killed by the cops or sentenced to
dead by the
: legal system.
: What i meant was: if you shoot a dealer you'll die because he
(if he lives)
: or his gang *will come* and kill you.
: Am i wrong?

You're probably right in that regard, but I wouldn't
approach them that way myself. I'd call the authorities
and point him out to them. Of course, I'd be sure they
didn't suspect me as the finger-pointer. :eek:)

Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
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"Steve Sousa" wrote
: "Bill Garber" wrote
: > "Roger Gt" wrote
: > : "Steve Sousa" wrote
: > : : "Bill Garber" wrote
: > : :
: > : : > The problem here that you are overlooking is,
: > : : > if they take MY guns away, that drug dealer
: > : : > will still have his. He doesn't get them the
: > : :
: > : : My understanding is:
: > : : In a life or dead situation, if you shot that dealer and
: > : : live, you die anyway. Am i wrong?
: > : : Greetings Steve Sousa
: > :
: > : Yes you are! It altogether depends upon the situation and
: > : whether you were in fear of your life (Police are always
: > : in fear of their lives and they shoot anyone or anything
: > : that moves without consequence!)
: > :
: > : And if I am on the jury, you walk!
: >
: > Thanks Roger. I couldn't have said it any better. :eek:)
:
: I didn't explain myself correctly. I should have stressed the
word
: "dealer".
: I wasn't refering to being killed by the cops
: or sentenced to dead by the legal system.
: What i meant was:
: if you shoot a dealer you'll die because he
: (if he lives)or his gang *will come* and kill you.
: Am i wrong?
: Greetings - Steve

Yes!
 
tholen@antispam.ham wrote:
In <KtzOktXgTH0IFE839B05yjyYfn60Q4Yj@alt.binaries.erotica.voyeurism>,
"tholen@antispam.ham, the keeper of the pantry"
F25V27FGdUgr@alt.binaries.erotica.voyeurism> writes:

In <ZUNLxORqMAOxC7A15C46NyaGWoDFumLL@alt.sex.escorts.ads>,
"tholen@antispam.ham, the defective, ascertaining hog"
CnyEr8bHZoZV@alt.sex.escorts.ads> writes:

chrisv writes:

How ironic, coming from someone who isn't educated enough
to know that OS/2, out of the box, supports security and
multiple processors.

How ironic, coming from tholen.

Where is the alleged irony, chrisv?

t h o l e n

Classic evasion.

How ironic.

Where is the alleged irony, chrisv?

Tholen!

Classic evasion.

No, you stupid fuck. "Tholen!" is the irony. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

For someone faking such an identity, I'm sure

Don't lie.

How ironic, coming from someone who just truncated my previous
response, while using a fake identity.
You won't get this at all, but others will. You are the joke and that's the
irony.
 
on Tuesday 06 July 2004 06:10 pm, Robert C Monsen wrote:

"Roger Gt" <not@here.net> wrote in message

BTW, My brother kneecapped a burglar, so the police could pick him
up a couple blocks away. You do not always have to kill them.
The mere presence of the capability to put them down is usually
enough!

Wow! Cool! Some poor teenager gets kneecapped cause he crawled into
the wrong house looking for a TV set. Probably on disability right
now. I guess your brother feels really proud of that! Who wouldn't?
Well, it's one less sleazebag going around breaking into people's
houses and stealing and otherwise fouling their stuff.

And people miss the most fundamental point about gun control - it's
not about defending yourself against crime, albeit that's a happy
side effect - it's about seeing to it that the country isn't overrun
by some meglomaniacal tyrant. Or bureaucracy. They're chipping away
at the Constitution as we speak. It goes hand in hand with the cops
being able to demand ID from anybody they want to. This was a very
chilling news item I spotted recently.

Hitler had gun control. If the Juden had been armed, and defended
themselves from the storm troopers, I'm sure a significant number
would have been killed or wounded in firefights, but a Hell of a
lot fewer than 6,000,000 would have been gassed and otherwise
murdered in cold blood.

The Constitution is there to protect us from becoming another
Hitler's Nazi Germany, and _that's_ why the right to keep
and bear arms shall not be infringed. Well, it wasn't supposed
to.

Can't happen here? Open your eyes.
--
Cheers!
Rich
 
on Tuesday 06 July 2004 03:26 pm, John Larkin wrote:
....
Actually, I like guns. I had a beautiful Ruger stainless
police-special revolver, but a burgler got it. I came in just as he
was leaving out the back door, figured out what was going on, and did
*not* chase him; it was full of '38 wad cutters, and I bet they hurt.
If I had entered a minute sooner, he probably would have shot me with
my gun, or maybe with his own. But it's just a fact that the US has a
murder rate that's 10x or so that of other civilized countries, and
guns are mostly responsible;
Bullshit. Inanimate objects aren't "responsible." What's responsible
is this very kind of mentality of blame. And America has 10X more
idiots and the rest of the US population is 10X stupider than the rest
of the world. Most of present company excluded, of course. ;-)

--
Cheers!
Rich
 
on Wednesday 07 July 2004 11:09 am, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:55:49 -0400, Chuck Harris
cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

I'm sure neither of the suicides would have
happened sucessfully without a gun being handy.

I'm sure that you are wrong. Japan has the highest suicide rate in
the world... and no legal gun ownership. How *DO* they do it?

-Chuck Harris

Well, David probably wouldn't have been able to kill the senator with
his bare hands (the old fart was BIG) so the whole thing likely would
have ended up in shouting or scuffling.

There's no way we're going to change the gun situation in this
country, but if you have teenagers around the house, especially males,
keep the guns locked up.

John
If you've got a teenager and still need to keep guns locked up,
then I'm very sad for you that you have absolutely no clue how to
raise a child. And by the time your kid is stealing your own gun
from you, it's WAY too late.

Is this how you were raised, where everybody rips everybody off
first chance they get? How sad.
--
Cheers!
Rich
 
on Wednesday 07 July 2004 02:09 pm, Jim Thompson wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 14:09:50 -0700, John Larkin
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 12:28:00 -0700, Jim Thompson
At my old location I had a neighbor about a block away, took a swing
at his wife, but she ducked and his arm went thru a glass window...
bled to death before the next-door neighbor (a doctor) could do
anything.
Doesn't sound like she was in any great rush to apply a tourniquet.
Serves him right, beating up on women. Or windows. Whatever.
Talking to the doctor at that incident, underarm between elbow and
shoulder is about the worst place to get a slash wound :-(
He took a swing at his wife, missed, and his hand went through a
window up to the shoulder? On the inside? What'd he do, take a
flying leap?

Sounds like the Darwin Effect to me.
--
Cheers!
Rich
 
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 02:19:01 GMT, Blair P. Houghton <b@p.h> wrote:

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:
Letter-to-Editor in today's EV Tribune (Phoenix)....

Moore film falsely depicts flight of Saudis

Michael Moore's movie, "Fahrenheit 9/ll" informs us I that,
immediately after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, while U.S.
airspace was closed to all commercial traffic, Bush arranged for a
special flight to secretly spirit Bush's friends, Bin Laden family
members, safely out of the country.

The reality is the bin Laden's didn't leave the U.S. until U.S.
airspace was re-opened and not at the arrangement of Bush but at the
urging of "terror czar" Richard Clark's of 9/11 commission fame, who
informed them that the U.S. couldn't ensure their safety.

I've heard that the film doesn't say it was Bush himself, but
his administration.

I've also heard that some people think the movie claims
that the flight occurred when airspace was closed, but
they think wrong because it clearly shows the flight taking
off after it was reopened.

But that's not what Mikey is saying in the sound-track. (I saw the
movie.)
Synecdoche...
Synechdoce...

Let's look it up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synecdoche

I was right the first time.

This is the one I want:

"A part of something is used for the whole."

I.e. in common usage, saying "Bush did X" is tantamount
to saying "Bush created the policies which resulted in
X even if the actual action was undertaken by one of his
appointees (inherited or otherwise) and even if he didn't
have anything to do with it at all". As in "Reagan ended
the Cold War," "Clinton was too busy getting his cock
sucked to kill bin Laden," and, "George Bush got elected."

I'll get around to actually seeing the movie when someone
makes a charge against it that sticks.
I'll have to take a look to see if it's idiomatic or
indicting.

In any case, if he made one mistake that all of us would
have made because it was generally reported that way, then
claiming the entire movie is nothing but lies would be
a form of the Fallacy of Composition.

--Blair
"He'll still sue you if you lie
about him."
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPland
THIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote (in <gmpoe0hot1ej85mc0fddkimb7vcnnb5a65@
4ax.com>) about 'For All the Michael Moore Fans', on Wed, 7 Jul 2004:
you don't have to shoot
abalone.
Is that what I've been doing wrong all these years?
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 05:30:25 +0100, the renowned John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjlarkin@highSNIPland
THIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote (in <gmpoe0hot1ej85mc0fddkimb7vcnnb5a65@
4ax.com>) about 'For All the Michael Moore Fans', on Wed, 7 Jul 2004:
you don't have to shoot
abalone.

Is that what I've been doing wrong all these years?
It's a lot easier to wait until the ama come up with the abolone, then
shoot them. They're women, so don't lead by as much as you would with
men (but more than you would with abalone).

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
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Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
 

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