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Chuck Harris · Jul 9, 2004

John Larkin wrote:

Two people for me also. One was a young plumber whose wife went back to
Mama and took the kids. He got her on the phone one night and shot himself
in the mouth while she was listening.

I bet he wouldn't have done that with a baseball bat.

Nope, but if a gun wasn't available, he would have jumped,
slit his wrists, hung himself, drove a car into a bridge abutment,
taken a drug overdose, brought the lawn mower into the bedroom
and mowed the carpet,..., or just stuck a baggie over his head with
a rubber band.

It has been shown again, and again, that neither the murder rate,
nor the suicide rate (in the US) are coupled in anyway to the number
of guns in civilian ownership.

There are no civilian owned firearms in Japan, yet they have the
highest suicide rate in the world. Every male in Switzerland owns
a fully automatic assault rifle, yet crime using firearms is all
but unheard of.

Guns aren't the problem. It's something else.

-Chuck

John Larkin · Jul 9, 2004

On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 14:21:57 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 13:34:41 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:

[snip]
We don't have a NSDA (National Smoke Detector Association) or NSBA
(National Seat Belt Association) like the NRA, even though smoke
detectors and seat belts protect your family a lot better than a gun
does.

John

But we do have the NFPA and I'll lay you a bet that there's also a
manufacturer's association as well.

Seat belts are a Federal mandate... doesn't need an proponent
association.

I wonder how many people die from not buckling their seat belts while
driving over to the gun shop.

Smoke detectors and, in some cases sprinklers, are required in new
home construction around here.

Some significant number of people die in the US every year because
their smoke detector started making the low-battery peep, and they
just pulled the battery and never replaced it.

John

Jim Thompson · Jul 9, 2004

On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 15:41:21 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:

[snip]

I wonder how many people die from not buckling their seat belts while
driving over to the gun shop.

Probably quite a few. Seems like we have an accident here every day
where someone dies because of no seat belt and another passenger was
belted in and only has scratches.

I've always been a seat belt nut, put them in my '61 Renault Dauphine
before seat belts were commonplace.

In the 48 years I've been driving I've been in 4 accidents, all of
them with major mechanical destruction, none my fault. In one of them
I was hit at the right front wheel well and spun around in an
intersection one-and-one-half times, walked away with nary a scratch.
(But it was one hell of a trip ;-)

In 1977 I T-boned a stop sign runner at 70MPH, cut the other car
almost in two (fortunately right at the firewall... the dumb broad was
only slightly injured). Walked away with a sprained thumb... broke me
of my habit of hooking my thumbs under the cross bar on the steering
wheel ;-)

Smoke detectors and, in some cases sprinklers, are required in new
home construction around here.

Some significant number of people die in the US every year because
their smoke detector started making the low-battery peep, and they
just pulled the battery and never replaced it.

John

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John Larkin · Jul 9, 2004

On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 16:44:03 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

In 1977 I T-boned a stop sign runner at 70MPH, cut the other car
almost in two (fortunately right at the firewall... the dumb broad was
only slightly injured). Walked away with a sprained thumb... broke me
of my habit of hooking my thumbs under the cross bar on the steering
wheel ;-)

Roughly 1972, my #1 wife (the cajun one) was driving my Sprite, and I
was holding #1 brat, about 2, in my lap. We stopped suddenly behind a
big 'merican car and got rear-ended at about 40 MPH by a kid in a
chevy musclecar. The Sprite got completely crushed between the big
cars, crumpled flat front and rear, and spun almost into a canal.
Gasoline everywhere. Just a few stitches and a minor spinal injury,
not bad considering.

None of my other wrecks were nearly as interesting, except maybe the
one when I hit the forklift blades in my daddy's Impala.

John

Chaos Master · Jul 10, 2004

Jim Thompson said:

If you are a PSpice Schematics User you need to be aware that Cadence
and EMA-EDA will discontinue support of PSpice Schematics at the 10.05
Release.

You will then be forced to use (gag me with a spoon) OrCAD Capture.

Aaaaaarrrrggghh... this eliminates OrCAD/PSpice as the EDA program I would buy.

(I've used Capture. I've liked it, just I can't get used to it! :/)

[]s
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Posting from Brazil. | This pain is just too real
http://marreka.no-ip.com | There's just too much that time can't erase"
(most often offline... ) | -- Evanescence, "My Immortal"

Chaos Master · Jul 10, 2004

Paul Burridge said:

Can you suggest an alternative simulation package for the serious
electronic designer, Kev? LT springs to mind, but do you know of any
others worthy of recommendation?

I am not Kev, but I suggest SIMetrix.
I have been testing the Intro version, it seems quite good.

PS: I have NO, ZERO, NOPE, 0, 0e+0, 0d0, NINGUNA, NENHUMA, NULL, 0.00000000
relation to Catena Software.

[]s
--
Š Chaos Master. |"These wounds won't seem to heal
Posting from Brazil. | This pain is just too real
http://marreka.no-ip.com | There's just too much that time can't erase"
(most often offline... ) | -- Evanescence, "My Immortal"

xray · Jul 10, 2004

On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 21:45:33 -0400, Chuck Harris
<cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:

in my '61 Renault Dauphine

For some reason I suspect Jim isn't driving a French car now.

Right, Jim? And what kind of wine are you cooking with?

Kevin Aylward · Jul 10, 2004

Paul Burridge wrote:

On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 06:03:29 GMT, "Kevin Aylward"
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote:

Resistance is futile.

It makes no real business sense for a company to continue to support
two products like this. they aint goanna change their mind on this
one

Can you suggest an alternative simulation package for the serious
electronic designer, Kev? LT springs to mind,

As you are probably about the furthest away from being a "serious
electronic designer" in these NGs, what springs to your mind on this
matter is about as valid as John Travolter's on the correctness of
Scientology.

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

xray · Jul 10, 2004

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:15:24 GMT, "Kevin Aylward"
<salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote:

s you are probably about the furthest away from being a "serious
electronic designer" in these NGs, what springs to your mind on this
matter is about as valid as John Travolter's on the correctness of
Scientology.

You spelled it wrng agan Kevin. www.travolta.com

But with a quick glance, I didn't see any links to the scientology.

Maybe you know in general about the scientology, though? How does it
compare with atheism?

Kevin Aylward · Jul 10, 2004

xray wrote:

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:15:24 GMT, "Kevin Aylward"
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote:

s you are probably about the furthest away from being a "serious
electronic designer" in these NGs, what springs to your mind on this
matter is about as valid as John Travolter's on the correctness of
Scientology.

You spelled it wrng agan Kevin. www.travolta.com

But with a quick glance, I didn't see any links to the scientology.

Try "+travolta +scientology".

e.g. http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien322.html?FACTNet

Maybe you know in general about the scientology, though?

Yep. Its complete crap.

How does it

compare with atheism?

What?

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.

Paul Burridge · Jul 10, 2004

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:15:24 GMT, "Kevin Aylward"
<salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote:

As you are probably about the furthest away from being a "serious
electronic designer" in these NGs, what springs to your mind on this
matter is about as valid as John Travolter's on the correctness of
Scientology.

John who?
If you're going to resort to flaming, Kev, at least get the spelling
right.
--

"What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793.

Roger Gt · Jul 10, 2004

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com>
wrote in message
news:knvte0d0qr8hs5ntl1h563lrdqcoi8fmeg@4ax.com...
: On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 15:57:48 -0400, Chuck Harris
: <cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:
:
: >John Larkin wrote:
: >>>Two people for me also.
: >>>One was a young plumber whose wife went back to
: >>>Mama and took the kids.
: >>>He got her on the phone one night and shot himself
: >>>in the mouth while she was listening.
: >>
: >> I bet he wouldn't have done that with a baseball bat.
: >
: >Nope, but if a gun wasn't available, he would have jumped,
: >slit his wrists, hung himself, drove a car into a bridge
abutment,
: >taken a drug overdose, brought the lawn mower into the bedroom
: >and mowed the carpet,..., or just stuck a baggie over his head
with
: >a rubber band.
: >

: None of those methods would make a loud BANG! (or maybe POP?) to
his
: wife on the other end of the line, and that drama was the point
of the
: exercise, not merely to end his life quietly. The noise and
drama of a
: gun are its main appeal.
:
: "Listen, Marge, I'm going to hit myself in the head with this
hammer.
: Ouch! OK, I'm going to do it again. Ouch!"
:
: We don't have a NSDA (National Smoke Detector Association) or
NSBA
: (National Seat Belt Association) like the NRA, even though smoke
: detectors and seat belts protect your family a lot better than a
gun
: does.
:
: John

WAI: Not all guns make a loud sound! Like I said, Women are more
dangerous than a gun!

The NRA was established after the civil war to assure that the
militia (the populace) was trained in the use of arms. Seems the
south didn't have that problem, the north did. But there is no
need for a group for seat belts, they kill very well as do air
bags.
:

Roger Gt · Jul 10, 2004

"Jim Thompson" wrote
: xray wrote
: >Chuck Harris wrote
<snip>
: >
: >Right, Jim? And what kind of wine are you cooking with?
:
: California or Australian or Italian or an occasional South
American.
: Absolutely no French wine, stopped buying them LONG before their
: present obstinacy. The French wines are quite mediocre, and
: over-priced, and, with the way France smells like an open sewer,
I'm
: not sure what you might find in it.

Might I suggest that some of the wines from Ohio and Oregon are
quite good. You should try them if you get the chance.

Personally I brew my own from fresh fruit! Not Grapes! (With No
additives)

John Larkin · Jul 11, 2004

On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:59:51 -0700, John Miles
<jmiles@pop.removethistomailme.net> wrote:

In article <4teoe05eu378qq4kbnphe312pqu9ks9or8@4ax.com>,
jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com says...

There's no way we're going to change the gun situation in this
country, but if you have teenagers around the house, especially males,
keep the guns locked up.

That didn't seem to be a problem in rural Oklahoma where I grew up. As
the famous tech-support maxim states, "It doesn't seem to happen here.
The problem must be on your end."

-- jm

I'd expect rural Oklahoma to have a low suicide rate per square mile.

John

John Larkin · Jul 11, 2004

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:49:35 -0700, Jim Thompson
<thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:42:08 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:59:51 -0700, John Miles
jmiles@pop.removethistomailme.net> wrote:

In article <4teoe05eu378qq4kbnphe312pqu9ks9or8@4ax.com>,
jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com says...

There's no way we're going to change the gun situation in this
country, but if you have teenagers around the house, especially males,
keep the guns locked up.

That didn't seem to be a problem in rural Oklahoma where I grew up. As
the famous tech-support maxim states, "It doesn't seem to happen here.
The problem must be on your end."

-- jm

I'd expect rural Oklahoma to have a low suicide rate per square mile.

John

But every kid has a rifle, just like we did in West Virginia.
Suicides were virtually unheard of, and when they were they were
usually via slashed wrists.

...Jim Thompson

Good grief, just google something like "suicide rate urban rural" for
some data.

First hit is...

http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/903998694.html

"In rural areas, suicide accounted for 91 percent of all firearm
fatalities (20 of 22). In urban areas, suicide accounted for only 20
percent of all firearm fatalities (39 of 158)."

2nd hit, interesting graph for Canada here:

http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/en/research/other_docs/factsheets/rural/default.asp

showing small towns with 8x the gunfire suicide rates of large cities.

Third hit says...

"Researchers are beginning to further study why rural residents commit
suicide at a higher rate than those in urban areas...and the West
leads the nation..."

and on the same google page,

"In China the suicide rate in rural areas is three times that of urban
areas (Neal, 1998)."

Actually, the idea that small towns and rural areas have less crime,
suicide, family violence, and sexual peversity is pretty much a myth.

John

Jim Thompson · Jul 11, 2004

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 12:57:39 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:49:35 -0700, Jim Thompson
thegreatone@example.com> wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:42:08 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 22:59:51 -0700, John Miles
jmiles@pop.removethistomailme.net> wrote:

In article <4teoe05eu378qq4kbnphe312pqu9ks9or8@4ax.com>,
jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com says...

There's no way we're going to change the gun situation in this
country, but if you have teenagers around the house, especially males,
keep the guns locked up.

That didn't seem to be a problem in rural Oklahoma where I grew up. As
the famous tech-support maxim states, "It doesn't seem to happen here.
The problem must be on your end."

-- jm

I'd expect rural Oklahoma to have a low suicide rate per square mile.

John

But every kid has a rifle, just like we did in West Virginia.
Suicides were virtually unheard of, and when they were they were
usually via slashed wrists.

...Jim Thompson

Good grief, just google something like "suicide rate urban rural" for
some data.

First hit is...

http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/903998694.html

"In rural areas, suicide accounted for 91 percent of all firearm
fatalities (20 of 22). In urban areas, suicide accounted for only 20
percent of all firearm fatalities (39 of 158)."

Now, John! You're playing the "How to Lie with Statistics" bit. From
your own citation the suicide RATE is only slightly higher in rural
areas 16/100,000 versus 13.5/100,000. And note the interesting "91%
of all firearm fatalities". That tells me of a low crime rate.

2nd hit, interesting graph for Canada here:

http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/en/research/other_docs/factsheets/rural/default.asp

showing small towns with 8x the gunfire suicide rates of large cities.

If I live in rural Canada I might consider suicide myself ;-)

Third hit says...

"Researchers are beginning to further study why rural residents commit
suicide at a higher rate than those in urban areas...and the West
leads the nation..."

and on the same google page,

"In China the suicide rate in rural areas is three times that of urban
areas (Neal, 1998)."

Actually, the idea that small towns and rural areas have less crime,
suicide, family violence, and sexual peversity is pretty much a myth.

John

480)460-2350 | |
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Brad Velander · Jul 12, 2004

learner,
From the sounds of your description the problem is trying to
point out that the footprint is not being correctly called into
the PCB. The node not found message is alerting you to the fact
that there is no pin for it to connect a certain net to. This is
usually because of an erroneous footprint or in this case it
would seem that no footprint is being loaded at all if all pins
give the same error.
Define your footprint correctly in the schematic symbol and
make sure that the library containing that footprint is
accessible to the PCB program by having it loaded as an active
library in the PCB package.
--
Sincerely,
Brad Velander

"learner" <sonalsingh28@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:40cfbbf5.0407111440.26b15607@posting.google.com...

I am using Protel 99SE to design a PCB. My design has a FLASH
and a
SRAM. I made the schematics for both. My problem is when I
synchronise
the PCB by going to DESIGN>>UPDATE PCB, it gives me errors
related to
my SRAM. It shows "node not found" for all the pins of SRAM. I
am not
able to understand why is it so. I named and designated the
SRAM
properly, yet it is not recognising it.

Thanks

learner

Ruediger Kluge · Jul 12, 2004

Hi,
Brad Velander schrieb:

learner,
From the sounds of your description the problem is trying to
point out that the footprint is not being correctly called into
the PCB. The node not found message is alerting you to the fact
that there is no pin for it to connect a certain net to. This is
usually because of an erroneous footprint or in this case it
would seem that no footprint is being loaded at all if all pins
give the same error.
Define your footprint correctly in the schematic symbol and
make sure that the library containing that footprint is
accessible to the PCB program by having it loaded as an active
library in the PCB package.

Perhaps the name of the Footprint in

Schematic Library > Components > Description > Component Text Field >
Footprint1

is not exactly the same as the name of the footprint in PCB Library.

--
regards
Rüdiger

http://www.conelek.com/

Sobol · Jul 12, 2004

I am using Protel 99SE to design a PCB. My design has a FLASH and a
SRAM. I made the schematics for both.
Did you made a footprints for them? If yes you must assign a footprints to

your devices.

regards
sobol

chrisv · Jul 13, 2004

tholen@antispam.ham wrote:

James Brown <Godfather@Of.Soul> writes:

Non sequitur.

PAPA'S GOT A BRAND NEW BAG !

Also non sequitur.

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