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On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:41:06 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk
wrote:
On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you
spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist,
could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
High voltage electric pylons and torrential rain?
Heavy rain will tend to clean the insulators, rather than
inducing tracking.
On 30/06/2023 00:44, John S wrote:
On 6/28/2023 10:17 AM, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something
you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the
mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
Water mist fire suppression systems claim to be suitable for all forms
of domestic fire, including those involving electrical equipment.
Do they have those kinds of systems for 400kV?
According to this site, water mist is suitable for sub-station fires
because the mist does not conduct electricity:
https://www.emicontrols.com/en/fire-fighting/application-areas/transformers
On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 18:28:28 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 16:10:51 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 12:38:44 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 17:14:39 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:13:39 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
Sure, with a lot of voltage, ballpark a megavolt/meter.
There could be a tiny current from droplet drift, too.
Cool, just wondering since I was spraying mist on a parrot and he was rather close to a light socket.
Our parrot Quincy loves to be sprayed too. There\'s no hazard from a
nearby outlet.
San Francisco, after very much debate, has just declared the parrot to
be The Official City Animal. We have giant, noisy, obnoxious flocks of
wild parrots here. There\'s a nice movie about that.
I would never call a parrot obnoxious.
Quincy sure is.
On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 18:27:51 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 17:38:41 +0100, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:
On 6/29/23 10:10, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 12:38:44 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 17:14:39 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:13:39 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
Sure, with a lot of voltage, ballpark a megavolt/meter.
There could be a tiny current from droplet drift, too.
Cool, just wondering since I was spraying mist on a parrot and he was rather close to a light socket.
Our parrot Quincy loves to be sprayed too. There\'s no hazard from a
nearby outlet.
San Francisco, after very much debate, has just declared the parrot to
be The Official City Animal. We have giant, noisy, obnoxious flocks of
wild parrots here. There\'s a nice movie about that.
When I was little, I accidentally sprayed a 120V outlet and felt a
little tingle. It wasn\'t nearly enough to hurt.
Presumably it was continuous water, not a mist like I\'m spraying the parrot with.
Do you guys have 120V because you still haven\'t invented outlets with switches on them, or plugs with sleeved pins, so every time you put a plug in our out, you\'ve got live pins right next to your fingers?
This is the Wild West. Life is cheap.
On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 18:34:30 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 18:27:51 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 17:38:41 +0100, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:
On 6/29/23 10:10, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 12:38:44 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 17:14:39 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:13:39 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
Sure, with a lot of voltage, ballpark a megavolt/meter.
There could be a tiny current from droplet drift, too.
Cool, just wondering since I was spraying mist on a parrot and he was rather close to a light socket.
Our parrot Quincy loves to be sprayed too. There\'s no hazard from a
nearby outlet.
San Francisco, after very much debate, has just declared the parrot to
be The Official City Animal. We have giant, noisy, obnoxious flocks of
wild parrots here. There\'s a nice movie about that.
When I was little, I accidentally sprayed a 120V outlet and felt a
little tingle. It wasn\'t nearly enough to hurt.
Presumably it was continuous water, not a mist like I\'m spraying the parrot with.
Do you guys have 120V because you still haven\'t invented outlets with switches on them, or plugs with sleeved pins, so every time you put a plug in our out, you\'ve got live pins right next to your fingers?
This is the Wild West. Life is cheap.
Yet everything is super expensive over there.
120 barely tickles anyhow.
Indeed, so why the fuss about GFCI over there?
On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 18:35:14 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 18:28:28 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 16:10:51 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 12:38:44 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 17:14:39 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:13:39 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
Sure, with a lot of voltage, ballpark a megavolt/meter.
There could be a tiny current from droplet drift, too.
Cool, just wondering since I was spraying mist on a parrot and he was rather close to a light socket.
Our parrot Quincy loves to be sprayed too. There\'s no hazard from a
nearby outlet.
San Francisco, after very much debate, has just declared the parrot to
be The Official City Animal. We have giant, noisy, obnoxious flocks of
wild parrots here. There\'s a nice movie about that.
I would never call a parrot obnoxious.
Quincy sure is.
I have one which bites me then says \"ouch!\" and laughs. He also says \"fuckin\' \'ell\" when something doesn\'t go his way.
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 15:39:46 +0100, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:41:06 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk
wrote:
On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you
spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist,
could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
High voltage electric pylons and torrential rain?
Heavy rain will tend to clean the insulators, rather than
inducing tracking.
Rainwater is not deionized, surely?
On 2023-07-01 20:58, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 15:39:46 +0100, legg <le...@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:41:06 +0100, alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk
wrote:
On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you
spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist,
could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
High voltage electric pylons and torrential rain?
Heavy rain will tend to clean the insulators, rather than
inducing tracking.
Rainwater is not deionized, surely?
Actually, it is. It is evaporated water, mostly. But once up there in
liquid form, it can pick whatever substances are in the atmosphere.
On 2023-07-01 20:58, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 15:39:46 +0100, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:41:06 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk
wrote:
On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you
spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist,
could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
High voltage electric pylons and torrential rain?
Heavy rain will tend to clean the insulators, rather than
inducing tracking.
Rainwater is not deionized, surely?
Actually, it is. It is evaporated water, mostly. But once up there in
liquid form, it can pick whatever substances are in the atmosphere
120 barely tickles anyhow.
Indeed, so why the fuss about GFCI over there?
Scardey-cat politicians mostly.
On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 20:01:04 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 18:35:14 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 18:28:28 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 16:10:51 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 12:38:44 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 17:14:39 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:13:39 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
Sure, with a lot of voltage, ballpark a megavolt/meter.
There could be a tiny current from droplet drift, too.
Cool, just wondering since I was spraying mist on a parrot and he was rather close to a light socket.
Our parrot Quincy loves to be sprayed too. There\'s no hazard from a
nearby outlet.
San Francisco, after very much debate, has just declared the parrot to
be The Official City Animal. We have giant, noisy, obnoxious flocks of
wild parrots here. There\'s a nice movie about that.
I would never call a parrot obnoxious.
Quincy sure is.
I have one which bites me then says \"ouch!\" and laughs. He also says \"fuckin\' \'ell\" when something doesn\'t go his way.
Qiuncy is a pionis, colorful but too dumb to talk. She sure can
screech.
On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 20:01:43 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 18:34:30 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 18:27:51 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 17:38:41 +0100, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:
On 6/29/23 10:10, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 12:38:44 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 17:14:39 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:13:39 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
Sure, with a lot of voltage, ballpark a megavolt/meter.
There could be a tiny current from droplet drift, too.
Cool, just wondering since I was spraying mist on a parrot and he was rather close to a light socket.
Our parrot Quincy loves to be sprayed too. There\'s no hazard from a
nearby outlet.
San Francisco, after very much debate, has just declared the parrot to
be The Official City Animal. We have giant, noisy, obnoxious flocks of
wild parrots here. There\'s a nice movie about that.
When I was little, I accidentally sprayed a 120V outlet and felt a
little tingle. It wasn\'t nearly enough to hurt.
Presumably it was continuous water, not a mist like I\'m spraying the parrot with.
Do you guys have 120V because you still haven\'t invented outlets with switches on them, or plugs with sleeved pins, so every time you put a plug in our out, you\'ve got live pins right next to your fingers?
This is the Wild West. Life is cheap.
Yet everything is super expensive over there.
Because it\'s super good and there are too many over-paid engineers. We
just got back from the Alemany Farmers\' Market and that stuff is both
good and cheap. The seasonal stuff, fresh from the farm, is cherries,
peaches, beans, corn, and Romanesco (broccoli or cauliflower, nobody
seems sure.)
Indeed, so why the fuss about GFCI over there?
Scardey-cat politicians mostly.
On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 12:40:32 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-07-01 20:58, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 15:39:46 +0100, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:41:06 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk
wrote:
On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you
spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist,
could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
High voltage electric pylons and torrential rain?
Heavy rain will tend to clean the insulators, rather than
inducing tracking.
Rainwater is not deionized, surely?
Actually, it is. It is evaporated water, mostly. But once up there in
liquid form, it can pick whatever substances are in the atmosphere
Natural, clean rain water is acidic, pH around 5.5.
It eats iron or
lead pipes, so utilities sometimes run it over limestone chips or
something.
On Sun, 02 Jul 2023 12:25:47 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 12:40:32 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-07-01 20:58, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 15:39:46 +0100, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:41:06 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk
wrote:
On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you
spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist,
could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
High voltage electric pylons and torrential rain?
Heavy rain will tend to clean the insulators, rather than
inducing tracking.
Rainwater is not deionized, surely?
Actually, it is. It is evaporated water, mostly. But once up there in
liquid form, it can pick whatever substances are in the atmosphere
Natural, clean rain water is acidic, pH around 5.5.
Would that make it conduct?
Is it acidic because of that alledgedly dangerous CO2 we\'re making?
It eats iron or
lead pipes, so utilities sometimes run it over limestone chips or
something.
Why not use plastic pipes?
On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 20:47:19 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 20:01:43 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 18:34:30 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 18:27:51 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 17:38:41 +0100, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:
On 6/29/23 10:10, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 12:38:44 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 17:14:39 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:13:39 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
Sure, with a lot of voltage, ballpark a megavolt/meter.
There could be a tiny current from droplet drift, too.
Cool, just wondering since I was spraying mist on a parrot and he was rather close to a light socket.
Our parrot Quincy loves to be sprayed too. There\'s no hazard from a
nearby outlet.
San Francisco, after very much debate, has just declared the parrot to
be The Official City Animal. We have giant, noisy, obnoxious flocks of
wild parrots here. There\'s a nice movie about that.
When I was little, I accidentally sprayed a 120V outlet and felt a
little tingle. It wasn\'t nearly enough to hurt.
Presumably it was continuous water, not a mist like I\'m spraying the parrot with.
Do you guys have 120V because you still haven\'t invented outlets with switches on them, or plugs with sleeved pins, so every time you put a plug in our out, you\'ve got live pins right next to your fingers?
This is the Wild West. Life is cheap.
Yet everything is super expensive over there.
Because it\'s super good and there are too many over-paid engineers. We
just got back from the Alemany Farmers\' Market and that stuff is both
good and cheap. The seasonal stuff, fresh from the farm, is cherries,
peaches, beans, corn, and Romanesco (broccoli or cauliflower, nobody
seems sure.)
We have some bullshit over here called \"Fair trade\" which pays farmers a \"fair price\" instead of what the market decides. Look, it\'s a business, they compete. If the farmer can\'t make a profit, either he\'s not as good as Mr Jones next door, or there are too many farmers.
120 barely tickles anyhow.
The last 240 shock I got was through my finger, touching the live input by mistake while feeling the temperature of the transformer in a UPS. Stupid grounded crap. If it wasn\'t grounded I wouldn\'t have got a shock, don\'t they realise you need to complete the circuit?
Indeed, so why the fuss about GFCI over there?
Scardey-cat politicians mostly.
I know many Americans who believe it\'s necessary. And for some reason you guys fit them seperately to outlets where you think you need it. At least in the UK they just stick one in the fusebox for the whole house. Why do something more than once?
On 2023-06-28 18:31, Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 21:10:07 +1000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-06-28 12:59, Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 20:18:00 +1000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-06-28 11:39, Mark Carver wrote:
On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from
something you spray plants with), and there was a live wire
somewhere in the mist, could it jump through the spray to a
grounded point?
 Well.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU91mxRplu4
What happens when the entire glass insulator is wet? :-?
 Nothing special, most obviously wih the glass insulators
on 350KV and 500KV transmission lines.
Don\'t they become surface conductive to ground?
Nope, if they did, the line would shut down.
But I don\'t understand how it doesn\'t happen. They are throwing water
spray to them, a lot of water, from below. The entire surface of the
glass must be getting wet.
On Mon, 03 Jul 2023 03:01:25 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 20:47:19 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 20:01:43 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
Indeed, so why the fuss about GFCI over there?
Scardey-cat politicians mostly.
I know many Americans who believe it\'s necessary. And for some reason you guys fit them seperately to outlets where you think you need it. At least in the UK they just stick one in the fusebox for the whole house. Why do something more than once?
Do you get many false trips?
I know many Americans who believe it\'s necessary. And for some reason you guys fit them seperately to outlets where you think you need it. At least in the UK they just stick one in the fusebox for the whole house. Why do something more than once?
Do you get many false trips?
The GF outlet in our kitchen occasionally trips when I use my hand
blender, but I think it\'s from emi, the switch sparking, not actual
ground leakage. No big deal, the reset button is right there.
On Sun, 02 Jul 2023 12:25:47 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jul 2023 12:40:32 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-07-01 20:58, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 15:39:46 +0100, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:41:06 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk
wrote:
On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you
spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist,
could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
High voltage electric pylons and torrential rain?
Heavy rain will tend to clean the insulators, rather than
inducing tracking.
Rainwater is not deionized, surely?
Actually, it is. It is evaporated water, mostly. But once up there in
liquid form, it can pick whatever substances are in the atmosphere
Natural, clean rain water is acidic, pH around 5.5.
Would that make it conduct?
Is it acidic because of that alledgedly dangerous CO2 we\'re making?