Can electricity conduct through a fine spray of water?...

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 07 Jul 2023 23:15:58 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 7/7/2023 2:00 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jul 2023 21:15:51 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jul 2023 15:24:20 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:13:39 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?

Try this:

Two close parallel plates with some modest DC voltage between them,
and coupled into an audio amp and a speaker or headphones.

Spray some water or steam and listen, or use fog if you have it.

e-fields in a bees or ants nest would be cool too.

We live in a world of electric fields that we can\'t sense.

Not sure what you mean. Do you hear things it picks up from outside it, or do you hear the fog drifting?

I would imagine charged droplets impacting the electrodes and making
sounds. Shine a UV flashlight into the fog too maybe. Sort of the
audible version of the Millikan Oil Drop Experiment.

Ambient magnetic fields can sound cool too.

Hummmmmm.

Everyone in the UK can accurately tell if something is 50Hz, and also 100Hz. I guess in the good old-fashioned USA, that\'s 60 and 120.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 06 Jul 2023 21:34:06 +0100, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 06 Jul 2023 01:56:53 +0100, \"Commander
Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 04 Jul 2023 06:14:58 +0100, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 04 Jul 2023 01:41:06 +0100, \"Commander
Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 16:27:37 +0100, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:13:39 +0100, \"Commander
Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?

I would think it\'s possible, but my own somewhat related experience has
been: I have an electric lawn mower with a 100\' extension cord that I
no longer pull in when I\'m done mowing the lawn or weed-wacking. It
lies in the grass all year, even in the rain, even under the snow.
After the grass grows even a little, it\'s hidden by the grass.

I have a GFI circuit breaker on that circuit and if current wwere going
to ground and not back though the neutral wire, the breaker would trip,

I don\'t understand, surely there\'s continuous water from the live to the ground? It\'s lying in wet grass!

What can I tell you? I\'ve been doing this for 20 years, all winter, all
summer, rain, snow. I only pick it up to use the lawnmower or
weedwacker and then I drop it wherever I am when I diconnect it. After
a few days the grass grows and you can\'t see it.

I\'m guessing the connector\'s connections are quite a bit inset and the water doesn\'t flow into them.

I think it\'s about 1/8\"**, but I\'ll try to remember to look next time
I\'m outside.

**No one knows what that is in meters.

Give a man 2.54 centimetres and he\'ll take 1.6 kilometres.

My neighbour (a tradesman) says \"mills\" to mean millimetres. We\'re in the UK. Although he\'s older than me, he didn\'t realise that means a thousandth of an inch. He meant millimetres. He pointed out a thousandth of an inch is a thou, and when I looked it up, it appears mill is an American thing. You do realise mill is the first part of the word million?

but it\'s only tripped 3 times in about 20 years, and since the bat hroom
and kitchen sink receptacles are on the same breaker, I\'m not positive
it\'s the extension cord that did those.

I\'m cautious in that if it\'s damp, I pick up the cord 6 feet from the
end, but I\'ve never had even a tingle.

Why be cautious if there\'s a breaker?

The breaker might break. That is, not work.

Never known of that happening,

Your experience and knowledge are not enough data for me, to make a decions.

Isn\'t a decion some kind of field? (Might be Scifi)

Not just my experience, never heard of it on the news either. Have you?

despite the bullshit on them about test weekly. Seriously? Turn all the power off in your house every week?

Huh? I don\'t do that.

They tell you to in smallprint on the front of them.

I\'m guessing only OCD folk actually do it.

What does that have to do with me?

I never said it did.

Six months after I moved in (4-year old house) the breaker used to trip
fairly often. I didn\'t know why or how they worked but eventually I
thought the breaker might be broken. I replaced it and it stopped
tripping. So if it can break so that it trips too much, maybe it can
break so it doesn\'t trip enough.

Most likely the health and softy brigade requires they always fail safe. Many devices are designed as such. I have read of electricians calling them \"becoming trigger happy\", it apparently happens if you run them around full load a lot.

What you could have done is replace the breaker with a fuse. Or you can buy less sensitive breakers.

And it\'s really no effort to pick up
the cord away from the end, versus the thought of being electrecuted
standing on even slightly damp grass.

I can\'t remember what this is referring to.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 07 Jul 2023 22:00:27 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jul 2023 21:15:51 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jul 2023 15:24:20 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:13:39 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?

Try this:

Two close parallel plates with some modest DC voltage between them,
and coupled into an audio amp and a speaker or headphones.

Spray some water or steam and listen, or use fog if you have it.

e-fields in a bees or ants nest would be cool too.

We live in a world of electric fields that we can\'t sense.

Not sure what you mean. Do you hear things it picks up from outside it, or do you hear the fog drifting?

I would imagine charged droplets impacting the electrodes and making
sounds. Shine a UV flashlight into the fog too maybe. Sort of the
audible version of the Millikan Oil Drop Experiment.

Ambient magnetic fields can sound cool too.

I just spilt some water on the side of my stereo while watering a plant, and some got into the vent, and I heard what sounded like a deep thunder roll outside, except it was through the speakers. It seems Panasonics are better made than Sansuis, when I spilt some in the top of one of those, it caught fire! Burning water, damn clever those Chi/Japanese.