Can electricity conduct through a fine spray of water?...

[Colin Bignell]

On 30/06/2023 00:44, John S wrote:

On 6/28/2023 10:17 AM, Colin Bignell wrote:
On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something
you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the
mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?

Water mist fire suppression systems claim to be suitable for all forms
of domestic fire, including those involving electrical equipment.


Do they have those kinds of systems for 400kV?

According to this site, water mist is suitable for sub-station fires
because the mist does not conduct electricity:

https://www.emicontrols.com/en/fire-fighting/application-areas/transformers


--
Colin Bignell

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 10:53:50 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
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He is by far the most persistent troll who seems to be able to get under the
skin of folk who really should know better. Since when did arguing with a
troll ever achieve anything (beyond giving the troll pleasure)?
MID: <1421057667.659518815.743467.tim.downie-gmail.com@news.individual.net>

 

[Scott Lurndal]

John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> writes:

On 6/29/2023 4:02 AM, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2023-06-28, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-06-28 18:31, Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 21:10:07 +1000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-06-28 12:59, Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 20:18:00 +1000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-06-28 11:39, Mark Carver wrote:
On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from
something you spray plants with), and there was a live wire
somewhere in the mist, could it jump through the spray to a
grounded point?
 Well.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU91mxRplu4

What happens when the entire glass insulator is wet? :-?
 Nothing special, most obviously wih the glass insulators
on 350KV and 500KV transmission lines.

Don\'t they become surface conductive to ground?

Nope, if they did, the line would shut down.

But I don\'t understand how it doesn\'t happen. They are throwing water
spray to them, a lot of water, from below. The entire surface of the
glass must be getting wet.

They use deionised water



I think they just turn power off for that circuit. They have redundant
paths to keep power to customers.

I used to watch PG&E crews clean the insulators on 115Kv lines
on the hill behind my house every couple of years. With a
helicopter hovering near the tower, one of the crew would hose down the insulator
with a power washer. The lines were not de-energized.

 

[legg]

On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 18:42:32 -0500, John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org>
wrote:

On 6/28/2023 9:39 AM, legg wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:41:06 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk
wrote:

On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you
spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist,
could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?

High voltage electric pylons and torrential rain?

Heavy rain will tend to clean the insulators, rather than
inducing tracking.

RL

I think rain is acid nowadays. Isn\'t it?

Depends on what it\'s come into contact with, on the way down
and how much rain has preceded it.

RL

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 30 Jun 2023 12:04:06 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 11:44:08 +1000, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 29 Jun 2023 12:52:23 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-06-29 11:01, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2023-06-28, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-06-28 12:59, Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 20:18:00 +1000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-06-28 11:39, Mark Carver wrote:
On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from
something
you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the
mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
Well.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU91mxRplu4

What happens when the entire glass insulator is wet? :-?

Nothing special, most obviously wih the glass insulators
on 350KV and 500KV transmission lines.

Don\'t they become surface conductive to ground?

They are shaped like umbrellas so that they stay partly dry when it
rains.

If you watch the video, you will see that is not the case.

I watched a composite video today of lots of interesting things, and one
was a couple fire engines pumping water on a fairly big fire.

Between one of the fire engines and the fire were 4 or 5 wires between
\"telephone\" poles. Each wire was almost a foot for any other.
Eventually there was enormous sparking, a bright white spot equivalent
to 3 feet wide that lasted for few seconds followed by flames from the
wires for 3 or 4 more seconds and then the video stopped.

The narrator said 10,000 people lost power but he may have just made
that up.

But still, the fire department should use deionized water.

Just not feasible, particularly with a major fire
where they need to use water from the hydrants.

I was kidding.

Maybe that
wodld help.

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 30 Jun 2023 02:58:25 -0000 (UTC), Jasen
Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:

On 2023-06-30, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 29 Jun 2023 12:52:23 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-06-29 11:01, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2023-06-28, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-06-28 12:59, Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 20:18:00 +1000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-06-28 11:39, Mark Carver wrote:
On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something
you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the
mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
 Well.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU91mxRplu4

What happens when the entire glass insulator is wet? :-?

Nothing special, most obviously wih the glass insulators
on 350KV and 500KV transmission lines.

Don\'t they become surface conductive to ground?

They are shaped like umbrellas so that they stay partly dry when it rains.

If you watch the video, you will see that is not the case.

I watched a composite video today of lots of interesting things, and one
was a couple fire engines pumping water on a fairly big fire.

Between one of the fire engines and the fire were 4 or 5 wires between
\"telephone\" poles. Each wire was almost a foot for any other.
Eventually there was enormous sparking, a bright white spot equivalent
to 3 feet wide that lasted for few seconds followed by flames from the
wires for 3 or 4 more seconds and then the video stopped.

The narrator said 10,000 people lost power but he may have just made
that up.

But still, the fire department should use deionized water. Maybe that
wodld help.

If that electricity supply is properly maintained, A few seconds later
the recloser would kick in and reconnect the power.

Yes, I think the video maker was not likely to know anything beyond what
was in the video, and was just adding light hearted spice.

Probably not ecconomical re-plumbing all the streets to add pipes
for DI water or adding fast-enough processing plants to the fire
appliances...

I was kidding.

I think this is a risk that\'s worth taking. perhaps some extra training
would be more effective.

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 29 Jun 2023 19:36:29 -0700, Bob F
<bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 6/29/2023 6:44 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 29 Jun 2023 12:52:23 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-06-29 11:01, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2023-06-28, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-06-28 12:59, Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 20:18:00 +1000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-06-28 11:39, Mark Carver wrote:
On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something
you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the
mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
 Well.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU91mxRplu4

What happens when the entire glass insulator is wet? :-?

Nothing special, most obviously wih the glass insulators
on 350KV and 500KV transmission lines.

Don\'t they become surface conductive to ground?

They are shaped like umbrellas so that they stay partly dry when it rains.

If you watch the video, you will see that is not the case.

I watched a composite video today of lots of interesting things, and one
was a couple fire engines pumping water on a fairly big fire.

Between one of the fire engines and the fire were 4 or 5 wires between
\"telephone\" poles. Each wire was almost a foot for any other.
Eventually there was enormous sparking, a bright white spot equivalent
to 3 feet wide that lasted for few seconds followed by flames from the
wires for 3 or 4 more seconds and then the video stopped.

The narrator said 10,000 people lost power but he may have just made
that up.

But still, the fire department should use deionized water. Maybe that
wodld help.


It is likely that the water pushed wires too close to each other, rather
than actually being the medium of conduction.

Maybe. I don\'t think I could have been able to tell even if I\'d replayed
it and looked for that. I did replay it once.

 

[Mark Lloyd]

On 6/29/23 18:40, John S wrote:

[snip]

Really? 200umho is 5000 ohms. So, at 400kV, the dirt (or whatever) would
dissipate 32,000,000 (32E6) 32 million Watts. I kinda don\'t think
something is not quite right.

IIRC, that unit (mho) is now supposed to be called the Siemens. I like
mho better.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

\"The right question is more important than the right answer.\" -- Piers
Anthony

 

[Mark Lloyd]

On 6/29/23 10:10, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 12:38:44 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 17:14:39 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:13:39 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?

Sure, with a lot of voltage, ballpark a megavolt/meter.

There could be a tiny current from droplet drift, too.

Cool, just wondering since I was spraying mist on a parrot and he was rather close to a light socket.

Our parrot Quincy loves to be sprayed too. There\'s no hazard from a
nearby outlet.

San Francisco, after very much debate, has just declared the parrot to
be The Official City Animal. We have giant, noisy, obnoxious flocks of
wild parrots here. There\'s a nice movie about that.

When I was little, I accidentally sprayed a 120V outlet and felt a
little tingle. It wasn\'t nearly enough to hurt.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

\"The right question is more important than the right answer.\" -- Piers
Anthony

 

[Bob F]

On 6/30/2023 9:32 AM, micky wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 30 Jun 2023 02:58:25 -0000 (UTC), Jasen
Betts <usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:

On 2023-06-30, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 29 Jun 2023 12:52:23 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-06-29 11:01, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2023-06-28, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-06-28 12:59, Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 20:18:00 +1000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-06-28 11:39, Mark Carver wrote:
On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something
you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the
mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?
 Well.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU91mxRplu4

What happens when the entire glass insulator is wet? :-?

Nothing special, most obviously wih the glass insulators
on 350KV and 500KV transmission lines.

Don\'t they become surface conductive to ground?

They are shaped like umbrellas so that they stay partly dry when it rains.

If you watch the video, you will see that is not the case.

I watched a composite video today of lots of interesting things, and one
was a couple fire engines pumping water on a fairly big fire.

Between one of the fire engines and the fire were 4 or 5 wires between
\"telephone\" poles. Each wire was almost a foot for any other.
Eventually there was enormous sparking, a bright white spot equivalent
to 3 feet wide that lasted for few seconds followed by flames from the
wires for 3 or 4 more seconds and then the video stopped.

The narrator said 10,000 people lost power but he may have just made
that up.

But still, the fire department should use deionized water. Maybe that
wodld help.

I signed up for the Seattle annual report of the water supply quality.
One year, it was titled \"Seattle water - next best thing to deionized\"

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2023-06-30 02:31, Bob F wrote:

On 6/29/2023 3:51 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-06-29 05:06, Bob F wrote:
On 6/28/2023 1:37 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 28 Jun 2023 19:37:47 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-06-28 18:31, Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 21:10:07 +1000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


But I don\'t understand how it doesn\'t happen. They are throwing water
spray to them, a lot of water, from below. The entire surface of the
glass must be getting wet.

Yes, but the water is insulated.


(That\'s why my 8th grade electrical shop teacher said why birds on
powerlines don\'t get electrocuted.)

I can tell you from personal experience that birds on transformers can.

And their fellow crows do not like it when they go BANG!


How does that happen?
Strong magnetic field? Touching two cables?


My guess, a bird lands on the transformer, and touches too close to the
215,000 volt line entering at the top of it. I did not see it happen,
but heard the LOUD bang, and the second time the power went out. I did,
both times, find a very dead crow at the bottom of the pole.

Ok.

Then you are talking of those transformers typical in the USA sitting on
the top of a pole, serving a few houses. I was thinking of the
transformers here, and I could not imagine how it could happen :-D

--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:18:00 +0100, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-06-28 11:39, Mark Carver wrote:
On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something
you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the
mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?

Well.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU91mxRplu4

What happens when the entire glass insulator is wet? :-?

With conductive rainwater, not the purified stuff they were using, evaporation?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:39:41 +0100, Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something
you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the
mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?

Well.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU91mxRplu4

I meant normal water, not purified. And that\'s not a fine mist, that\'s continuous water.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 17:21:28 +0100, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:39:41 +0100, Mark Carver
mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 28/06/2023 10:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something
you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the
mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?

Well.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU91mxRplu4

This is what we wash 400KV live line.Hot Line Washing is a process of
cleaning of insulators with the help of DM water /normal water,
conductivity below 200 Micr0-mh0s, under live condition, without asking
for shut down. Factors like salt, cement/lime, smog, vehicular emissions
etc. affect insulator performance.

And yet the fire brigade wouldn\'t put out my neighbour\'s 240V roof fire.

 

[Bob F]

On 6/30/2023 1:14 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2023-06-30 02:31, Bob F wrote:
On 6/29/2023 3:51 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-06-29 05:06, Bob F wrote:
On 6/28/2023 1:37 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 28 Jun 2023 19:37:47 +0200, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-06-28 18:31, Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 21:10:07 +1000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


But I don\'t understand how it doesn\'t happen. They are throwing water
spray to them, a lot of water, from below. The entire surface of the
glass must be getting wet.

Yes, but the water is insulated.


(That\'s why my 8th grade electrical shop teacher said why birds on
powerlines don\'t get electrocuted.)

I can tell you from personal experience that birds on transformers can.

And their fellow crows do not like it when they go BANG!


How does that happen?
Strong magnetic field? Touching two cables?


My guess, a bird lands on the transformer, and touches too close to
the 215,000 volt line entering at the top of it. I did not see it
happen, but heard the LOUD bang, and the second time the power went
out. I did, both times, find a very dead crow at the bottom of the pole.

Ok.

Then you are talking of those transformers typical in the USA sitting on
the top of a pole, serving a few houses. I was thinking of the
transformers here, and I could not imagine how it could happen :-D

Exactly.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 17:38:41 +0100, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

On 6/29/23 10:10, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 12:38:44 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 17:14:39 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:13:39 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?

Sure, with a lot of voltage, ballpark a megavolt/meter.

There could be a tiny current from droplet drift, too.

Cool, just wondering since I was spraying mist on a parrot and he was rather close to a light socket.

Our parrot Quincy loves to be sprayed too. There\'s no hazard from a
nearby outlet.

San Francisco, after very much debate, has just declared the parrot to
be The Official City Animal. We have giant, noisy, obnoxious flocks of
wild parrots here. There\'s a nice movie about that.

When I was little, I accidentally sprayed a 120V outlet and felt a
little tingle. It wasn\'t nearly enough to hurt.

Presumably it was continuous water, not a mist like I\'m spraying the parrot with.

Do you guys have 120V because you still haven\'t invented outlets with switches on them, or plugs with sleeved pins, so every time you put a plug in our out, you\'ve got live pins right next to your fingers?

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 16:10:51 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 12:38:44 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 17:14:39 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:13:39 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?

Sure, with a lot of voltage, ballpark a megavolt/meter.

There could be a tiny current from droplet drift, too.

Cool, just wondering since I was spraying mist on a parrot and he was rather close to a light socket.

Our parrot Quincy loves to be sprayed too. There\'s no hazard from a
nearby outlet.

San Francisco, after very much debate, has just declared the parrot to
be The Official City Animal. We have giant, noisy, obnoxious flocks of
wild parrots here. There\'s a nice movie about that.

I would never call a parrot obnoxious. I guess Blue Fronted Amazons can be loud, but so can seagulls.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 18:27:51 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Fri, 30 Jun 2023 17:38:41 +0100, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

On 6/29/23 10:10, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 12:38:44 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 17:14:39 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:13:39 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?

Sure, with a lot of voltage, ballpark a megavolt/meter.

There could be a tiny current from droplet drift, too.

Cool, just wondering since I was spraying mist on a parrot and he was rather close to a light socket.

Our parrot Quincy loves to be sprayed too. There\'s no hazard from a
nearby outlet.

San Francisco, after very much debate, has just declared the parrot to
be The Official City Animal. We have giant, noisy, obnoxious flocks of
wild parrots here. There\'s a nice movie about that.

When I was little, I accidentally sprayed a 120V outlet and felt a
little tingle. It wasn\'t nearly enough to hurt.

Presumably it was continuous water, not a mist like I\'m spraying the parrot with.

Do you guys have 120V because you still haven\'t invented outlets with switches on them, or plugs with sleeved pins, so every time you put a plug in our out, you\'ve got live pins right next to your fingers?

This is the Wild West. Life is cheap.

120 barely tickles anyhow.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 18:28:28 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 16:10:51 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jun 2023 12:38:44 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 17:14:39 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:13:39 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

If there was a fine mist being sprayed (like you get from something you spray plants with), and there was a live wire somewhere in the mist, could it jump through the spray to a grounded point?

Sure, with a lot of voltage, ballpark a megavolt/meter.

There could be a tiny current from droplet drift, too.

Cool, just wondering since I was spraying mist on a parrot and he was rather close to a light socket.

Our parrot Quincy loves to be sprayed too. There\'s no hazard from a
nearby outlet.

San Francisco, after very much debate, has just declared the parrot to
be The Official City Animal. We have giant, noisy, obnoxious flocks of
wild parrots here. There\'s a nice movie about that.

I would never call a parrot obnoxious.

Quincy sure is.

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 01 Jul 2023 10:34:30 -0700, John Larkin, another obviously brain
dead, troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:

This is the Wild West. Life is cheap.

This is Usenet. And HE\'s a retarded PROVEN clinically insane troll, while
YOU are a retarded troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE!

--
More from gay wanker Birdbrain\'s strange sociopathic world:
\"If people don\'t like seeing other people the way they were born, there\'s
something seriously wrong with them. In the UK I\'m free to walk around
naked in public, and I often do. I walk up mountains starkers. People
laugh, gasp, and make rude comments, but I just tell them to grow up.\"
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