Bush Has Thanksgiving Dinner with Troops in Baghdad

[Paul Burridge]

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:29:34 -0700, Jim Thompson
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

There should be a one year time limit on appeals... expedited at the
expense of the state... then hang 'em. None of this dawdling for 20
years.

It's certainly not cricket to keep someone hanging around for 20 years
before executing them, I agree (but for different reasons). But you
don't "hang 'em" in *any* state, now, do you? Is it not the case that
the Chair isn't even used these days?
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- Winston Churchill

 

[Mark Jones]

In news:bq7qoj$f7k$1@bob.news.rcn.net (Chuck Harris):

no1@no1.com wrote:

On the eve of her execution, speaking on his right to grant her a 30
day stay of execution, George W. said he had to hand her fate over to
a 'higher power'. Some wag has since pointed out that he was the
higher power and questioned if he realized that. He further opined
that George was a coward. Anyway, he allowed her to be the first woman
executed in Texas in over a hundred years.

I have recently read a report by a reporter who interviewed George W.
about her plea for clemency. Instead of being man enough to account
for his actions, he took the course of belittling her for having
asked. No matter what she did due to a severely corrupted childhood,
and being heavily strung out on drugs at the time of her crime, she
died as a good kid...a decent human being. And Bush stood by trying to
collect political Brownie points.

It's a funny (funny peculiar, not funny ha ha) thing, most of the
residents of deathrows, all over the US, have had rotten childhoods,
followed by rotten adulthoods.

The fact that the murderer has had an unfortunate life doesn't
eliminate the murder he committed. It doesn't bring relief for the
grief felt by the victim's family. It doesn't bring back the victim.

The day that the repentance and rehabilitation of a murder brings back
the victim in all his former glory is the day I will feel sorry for
murderers.

Until then, fry them!

-Chuck

Perhaps oneday, scientists will be able to clone the deceased, and at least
bring back a portion of what was taken. Perhaps then, as in the case of the
Texas lady, the law could be bent a little.

Sometimes good people get into a bad situation, and sometimes bad people
get into a good situation. It's important to look critically at the
individual and not the whole. Like the serial sniper, he showed no remorse
or empathy and the jury thought him "a threat even in prision." In that
case, I feel they should just partake the firing squad. No 20 years of free
meals, 17 appeals looking for a technical loophole, free room & board, free
TV, free weight room... in short no f'n around. People like that are a
disease, a cancer of our populace. Who knows how many minds they can corrupt
in prison over 20 years?

 

[Tweetldee]

"Jim Thompson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:eaqesv00jbne2sfs4s7puot3goc8k5idhc@4ax.com...

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 07:46:59 GMT, no1@no1.com wrote:

Whereas I support George W. and the allies in their action in Iraq, I
can't get it out of my mind what he did to a young girl in February of
1998 when he was governor of Texas. I'm talking about Karla Faye
Tucker. She was involved in a rather brutal murder in 1983 which was
not premeditated and for which she took full responsibility. In her 15
years in jail awaiting execution, she rahabilitated herself so well
that even hardened guards spoke up for her.

On the eve of her execution, speaking on his right to grant her a 30
day stay of execution, George W. said he had to hand her fate over to
a 'higher power'. Some wag has since pointed out that he was the
higher power and questioned if he realized that. He further opined
that George was a coward. Anyway, he allowed her to be the first woman
executed in Texas in over a hundred years.

I have recently read a report by a reporter who interviewed George W.
about her plea for clemency. Instead of being man enough to account
for his actions, he took the course of belittling her for having
asked. No matter what she did due to a severely corrupted childhood,
and being heavily strung out on drugs at the time of her crime, she
died as a good kid...a decent human being. And Bush stood by trying to
collect political Brownie points.

Happy Thanksgiving, George!!



[snip]

Suppose I murder you and then get religion. Should I go free? Want
to test the concept?

There should be a one year time limit on appeals... expedited at the
expense of the state... then hang 'em. None of this dawdling for 20
years.

...Jim Thompson

AMEN AMEN AMEN

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[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Mark Jones <127.0.0.1@?.?> wrote
(in <DNKdnQLwBuZJ51qiRVn-gg@buckeye-express.com&gt about 'Bush Has
Thanksgiving Dinner with Troops in Baghdad', on Fri, 28 Nov 2003:

Perhaps oneday, scientists will be able to clone the deceased, and at
least bring back a portion of what was taken. Perhaps then, as in the
case of the Texas lady, the law could be bent a little.

Perhaps one day we'll be absolutely certain that the person convicted IS
the murderer. Until then, the irrevocable punishment of death seems to
me to be ruled out.
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[Rolavine]

Interesting, and ironic, that this discussion has gone from the Bush visit to
Iraq to proper punishment for murderers.

I can't find any reason for this war, it is just plain dumb.

Rocky

 

[Don Bruder]

In article <bq82hk$jii$1@reader2.panix.com>,
Brian Trosko <btrosko@panix.com> wrote:

In alt.primenet.recovery John Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

Perhaps one day we'll be absolutely certain that the person convicted IS
the murderer. Until then, the irrevocable punishment of death seems to
me to be ruled out.

Keeping someone in jail until they die of natural causes doesn't seem to
be any more revocable.

So by your argument, we should also abolish life sentences.

And this entire thread has precisely WHAT to do with any of the
newsgroups it has been crossposted to?

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[Mark Fergerson]

Leon Heller wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

Bush Has Thanksgiving Dinner with Troops in Baghdad.

Just came over the Fox News.


The Daily Mirror newspaper, here in the UK, has a picture of Dubya
helping with the Thanksgiving dinner, entitled "The Turkey Has Landed".

Well, that's certainly impartial.

Mark L. Fergerson

 

[AZGuy]

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 11:09:26 -0700, Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness>
wrote:

Leon Heller wrote:


Jim Thompson wrote:

Bush Has Thanksgiving Dinner with Troops in Baghdad.

Just came over the Fox News.


The Daily Mirror newspaper, here in the UK, has a picture of Dubya
helping with the Thanksgiving dinner, entitled "The Turkey Has Landed".

Well, that's certainly impartial.

Mark L. Fergerson

The picture I expected to see would have been captioned "Can you count
the number of turkeys in the photo?" THe correct answer would be
"two".

 

[Brian Trosko]

In alt.primenet.recovery John Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

Perhaps one day we'll be absolutely certain that the person convicted IS
the murderer. Until then, the irrevocable punishment of death seems to
me to be ruled out.

Keeping someone in jail until they die of natural causes doesn't seem to
be any more revocable.

So by your argument, we should also abolish life sentences.

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Brian Trosko <btrosko@panix.com>
wrote (in <bq82hk$jii$1@reader2.panix.com&gt about 'Bush Has Thanksgiving
Dinner with Troops in Baghdad', on Fri, 28 Nov 2003:

In alt.primenet.recovery John Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

Perhaps one day we'll be absolutely certain that the person convicted IS
the murderer. Until then, the irrevocable punishment of death seems to
me to be ruled out.

Keeping someone in jail until they die of natural causes doesn't seem to
be any more revocable.

So by your argument, we should also abolish life sentences.

'Life sentence' in Britain doesn't always mean 'all of life', and in
many cases where it does, the matter is controversial. We had quite
recently a 'life sentence' prisoner proved innocent after some 20 years,
and he was released with a large sum in compensation. We couldn't
release Timothy Evans (wrongly convicted and hanged on the evidence of
the serial killer who was actually responsible, in all probability).
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[Kevin Aylward]

John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Mark Jones <127.0.0.1@?.?> wrote
(in <DNKdnQLwBuZJ51qiRVn-gg@buckeye-express.com&gt about 'Bush Has
Thanksgiving Dinner with Troops in Baghdad', on Fri, 28 Nov 2003:

Perhaps oneday, scientists will be able to clone the deceased, and at
least bring back a portion of what was taken. Perhaps then, as in the
case of the Texas lady, the law could be bent a little.

Perhaps one day we'll be absolutely certain that the person convicted
IS the murderer. Until then, the irrevocable punishment of death
seems to me to be ruled out.

That's exactly my sentiments. In principle, I have no moral qualms
whatever in the execution of serial type killers. The issue is that,
executing an innocent person is *never* acceptable. This effectively
means one must outlaw the death penalty.

Of course, there is also the problem of punishing anyone without
absolute proof, but in the real would, there is no choice. We have to
accept some false guilt, but we don't have to accept false executions.

Kevin Aylward
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[Madis Kaal - change usern]

Bush Has Thanksgiving Dinner with Troops in Baghdad.

Just came over the Fox News.

and what makes you think this is important news for electronics engineers?

 

[Mjolinor]

"Madis Kaal - change username to mast for mail address" <honeypot@nomad.ee>
wrote in message news:3fc7becc$1_1@news.estpak.ee...

Bush Has Thanksgiving Dinner with Troops in Baghdad.

Just came over the Fox News.

and what makes you think this is important news for electronics engineers?

Well I (as an electronic engineer) find it quite interesting and suprising
that he can operate a knife and fork.

 

[Paul Burridge]

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 11:41:59 -0500, "Mark Jones" <127.0.0.1> wrote:

Perhaps oneday, scientists will be able to clone the deceased, and at least
bring back a portion of what was taken.

What bloody use would that be? The soul has long gone. Zombies are no
good to anyone.

Sometimes good people get into a bad situation, and sometimes bad people
get into a good situation. It's important to look critically at the
individual and not the whole. Like the serial sniper, he showed no remorse
or empathy and the jury thought him "a threat even in prision." In that
case, I feel they should just partake the firing squad. No 20 years of free
meals, 17 appeals looking for a technical loophole, free room & board, free
TV, free weight room... in short no f'n around. People like that are a
disease, a cancer of our populace.

Fine. *If* there's no question over his guilt.

Who knows how many minds they can corrupt
in prison over 20 years?

One assumes that to be in prison in the US one still has to be of a
certain minimum age? Since the corruption of an individual is
facilitated in early childhood (and the earlier the worse) evil
influences in prison aren't going to sway minds that aren't already
predisposed to evil.
--

"I expect history will be kind to me, since I intend to write it."
- Winston Churchill

 

[Jeff Stout]

no1, your an idiot!

In Texas, the governor does not have to the power to overrule
the decision of the Texas Board of Pardons; which ruled
against her. The most he (W) could do is give her a temperary
reprieve.

You can hate the president if you want, but your can't use this
excuse. Her lawyers and the Texas Board of Pardons had
far more power to influence this situation than he (W) did.

Jeff Stout

 

[CWatters]

I'll be glad when the election campaign is over

 

[Reg Edwards]

and what makes you think this is important news for electronics engineers?

===========================

It's vitally important. Both electronic engineers, with car tanks thirsty
for cheap petrol, and the army, which marches on its stomach, have to be
fed.


But soldiers may feel safer in Bagdad than they do walking around their own
gun-ridden city streets at home in the antipodes.


Please forgive me, as John Cleese says, for making use of a 'first-class
honors degree in stating the bleeding obvious'.

---
Reg.

 

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 08:29:34 -0700, Jim Thompson
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrotd:

Suppose I murder you and then get religion. Should I go free? Want
to test the concept?

There should be a one year time limit on appeals... expedited at the
expense of the state... then hang 'em. None of this dawdling for 20
years.

I'm not arguing with you brother. If someone killed someone in my
family I wouldn't be at all understanding. I'd do the execution
myself, slowly, in my own way.

One of the main problems, as superlawyer Jerry Spence pointed out, is
that 4% of convicted criminals were found not guilty after they had
executed them. Oooops!!

Condidering there are something like 300 people on death row in some
parts of the States right now, that translates to about 20 innocent
people being killed. That doesn't include those railroaded by
ambitious police looking for a conviction or plain stupid, biased
judges and juries. How would you feel if say a relative was one of
those inncents executed?

Karla Faye Tucker was forgiven by the brother of the women she was
involved in killing. He asked that she not be executed. He's a much
bigger man than me. Your point about getting religion while on death
row is a valid point. But one of the senior guards on death row at
Huntsville, who had seen all that, and was immune to it, said she was
the first he'd seen who he thought had been truly rehabilitated.

I noted your point about faster execution dates. But that's flawed
too. Under the present system, however, a 15 year wait before
execution is the norm. If a person has genuinely rehabilitated
themselves, and not just to escape the death penalty, you are
essentially killing an innocent person. People do change and they do
make big, one-time mistakes.

Texas has opened it's jails in the past and sent murders back out on
the street, purely for financial reasons. One of these guys went out
and started killing again. He was on death row and they just let him
go. Yet they can't let a young girl live, even though she's rehabbed.
It wasn't like they were going to set her free, she would have pent
the rest of her life in jail. Something's wrong with that.

 

There should be a one year time limit on appeals... expedited at the
expense of the state... then hang 'em. None of this dawdling for 20
years.

It's certainly not cricket to keep someone hanging around for 20 years
before executing them, I agree (but for different reasons). But you
don't "hang 'em" in *any* state, now, do you? Is it not the case that
the Chair isn't even used these days?

Washington State gives you the option of hanging or lethal injection.
Believe it or not, one opted to be hanged. Another guy did too and
tried putting on so much weight that he'd be to heavy to hang. I never
heard the end of that one.

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 07:46:59 GMT, no1@no1.com wrote:

Whereas I support George W. and the allies in their action in Iraq, I
can't get it out of my mind what he did to a young girl in February of
1998 when he was governor of Texas. I'm talking about Karla Faye
Tucker. She was involved in a rather brutal murder in 1983 which was
not premeditated and for which she took full responsibility. In her 15
years in jail awaiting execution, she rahabilitated herself so well
that even hardened guards spoke up for her.

On the eve of her execution, speaking on his right to grant her a 30
day stay of execution, George W. said he had to hand her fate over to
a 'higher power'. Some wag has since pointed out that he was the
higher power and questioned if he realized that. He further opined
that George was a coward. Anyway, he allowed her to be the first woman
executed in Texas in over a hundred years.

I have recently read a report by a reporter who interviewed George W.
about her plea for clemency. Instead of being man enough to account
for his actions, he took the course of belittling her for having
asked. No matter what she did due to a severely corrupted childhood,
and being heavily strung out on drugs at the time of her crime, she
died as a good kid...a decent human being. And Bush stood by trying to
collect political Brownie points.

Happy Thanksgiving, George!!

Suppose I murder you and then get religion. Should I go free? Want
to test the concept?
--------------

That wasn't the prospect.

It was life in prison, without possible parole forever, versus
execution. Quit lying like the cowardly RightWing liar you are,
Jim.

-Steve
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