beware of the updates you install

[tuinkabouter]

On 11/28/2013 2:52 AM, conklin wrote:

"Jason" <jason_warren@ieee.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 04:43:24 -0500 "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in article <KrCdnXhYy-
hc5Q3PnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d@earthlink.com

Les Cargill wrote:

I used to have to do the annual reinstall to clean up
the registry.


If you use the right tools to uninstall crap programs, you don't have
problems with the registry. Revo Uninstaller lets you use the program's
built in uninstaller, then will clean the remainder of the registry
entries and leftover folders. Prior to this, I edited the registry by
hand. The pro version is supposed to clean ot trash left from sloppy
uninstalls.

http://www.revouninstaller.com/revo_uninstaller_free_download.html

I endorse Revo, too. You have to be a little careful about its registry
cleanup if you choose the more "aggressive" post-uninstall scanning
options; it can propose to delete stuff that shouldn't be. For instance,
I have an Adobe CC subscription and created a CC folder. If I uninstall
an app and let Revo do it's aggressive thing, it'll try to zap entries to
other CC apps. It does warn you that the folder contains other apps, but
picking your way through all the possibilities is hopeless.

On a simpler note, the new IE update (11) is not recognized by the server at
work, which seems to call it a non-standard browser. It also does not work
well with dlink cameras. I have had to resort to using a IE 8 version
running on XP to make the softwre work where I want it too. IE 11 has
problems with other programs too. Java runtime seems to be banned by IE11.
You can download it, and it IE still won't recognize it.

This is a dlink problem. They claim the camera is working with apple,
but doesn't work on a Mac.

 

[Trevor]

"dave" <ricketzz@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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You do need to do a little digging, which is where Linux really shines;
nobody offers you a solution upon receipt of payment.

So you criticise Windows for needing support, but praise Linux for the same
reason?
The on-line user base for both OS is equally helpful IME.

Trevor.

 

[Trevor]

"dave" <ricketzz@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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On 11/28/2013 12:28 AM, Trevor wrote:
"dave" <ricketzz@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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I don't fear Windows, I refuse to pay for an operating system,

Hard to get a laptop these days without Windows already included whether
you
use it or not.

Hard but not impossible, however I have no use for another notebook. The
fact that manufacturers include it free says something.

It's definitely NOT free, it's included in the price you pay. That they
*choose* to pay Microsoft says something too.

But hey if you also refuse to pay for the hardware, your problems are
solved!

But hey are you suggesting I'm a thief?

Nope, just that you don't need a free operating system if you don't buy a
computer.

Trevor.

 

[Trevor]

"dave" <ricketzz@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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http://www.camerahacker.com/Digital/dcraw_by_example.shtml

http://www.softpedia.com/reviews/linux/UFRaw-Review-49016.shtml

Color me unimpressed with all Linux photo apps compared to PS/Lightroom.
Most Linux apps are good value for money though

Trevor.

 

[Trevor]

"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
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That's not really a driver problem so much as an application problem, to
be honest.

Exactly, FAR more applications for Windows.

If you want a really awful example, though, check out the National
Instruments PCI cards. National's Windows drivers pretty much work
and they are well documented and the tech support people know about them.
The Linux drivers... well, they sort of work. But they are so badly coded
that when they don't work they don't actually say that they are not
working.
They'll fail to modload without giving any message, or they'll load but
not
find any hardware without giving any message. They only work with certain
kernel versions, not with any 64-bit kernels or PAE kernels, but the
manuals
don't say anything about that. Nobody in tech support knows a damn thing
about
them, so you can pay by the minute on the tech support line to talk to
someone
who has no idea even what dmesg is let alone what the driver is supposed
to
be reporting.

Now, mind you, this is an NI issue and not a Linux issue, per se.

Nope, it's what I have been saying all along, MANY vendors do not feel there
are enough Linux users to spend money on supporting them with drivers,
software, bug fixes, or tech support. That's the way the world is, you put
you money where it does the most good.

But I do
encounter this a lot with companies who claim to support Linux but don't
really. (Not that a lot of the same companies also fail to support their
Windows stuff as well.)

True, but anyone who argues there is *more* support for Linux is a liar.

Given my choice, I'll run NetBSD. But usually I don't have a choice
because
the application doesn't give me one.

Exactly!

Trevor.

 

[Trevor]

"John Williamson" <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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On 28/11/2013 13:09, dave wrote:
On 11/28/2013 12:28 AM, Trevor wrote:
"dave" <ricketzz@earthlink.net> wrote in message
The Kernel has thousands of drivers already installed.

And more thousands not installed. Just as with Windows.

Please name a consumer device (other than Apple) that you would like to
use
with Linux that had a driver issue. I have found Linux to be way more
plug-and-play than Windows,

You seem to have ignored the list I posted earlier.....

Wouldn't suit his agenda. He thinks HIS requirements are all there is.

Trevor.

 

[dave]

On 11/28/2013 07:17 PM, Trevor wrote:

"dave" <ricketzz@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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You do need to do a little digging, which is where Linux really shines;
nobody offers you a solution upon receipt of payment.


So you criticise Windows for needing support, but praise Linux for the same
reason?
The on-line user base for both OS is equally helpful IME.

Trevor.

Not at all. I criticize Windows for charging money for what others give
for free.

BTW: The Windows bundled with a new consumer PC is usually paid for by
the adware included with the OS bundle. PC makers include Windows
because Microsoft used monopolistic methods to crush any competition.

I'd be fine if they charged a reasonable fee, but over $200 is excessive
in light of what others charge for theirs, which I believe is zero.

 

[Neil Gould]

Frank Stearns wrote:

"Neil Gould" <neil@myplaceofwork.com> writes:
(snips)
IIRC, my first copy of FM was 3, prior to Adobe's acquisition of
Frame, Inc. At that point, it was no match for VP technically, but
its cross-platform abilities were a big plus. Then, Corel acquired
VP and managed to screw it up for a few years, during which time
Adobe improved FM's ability to handle type and color properly, among
other things. Today, FM is the most viable app for technical
documents, IMO, largely because Corel dropped the ball. Although
some folks complain about FM's UI (it isn't anywhere near as
flexible as VP's), it has not been a problem for me, and I
appreciate that fact that it has remained "familiar" for decades.
That's rather atypical for Adobe apps, which shuffle their UI with
regularity.


I used VP for a couple of client projects. Can't remember if it was
Corel or not.

I initially liked what I saw and was looking forward to using it --
until things started going wrong in small and large ways at every
turn. Made me crazy as hell, and the usual issues with support. "Oh,
yes, sorry; that is a known problem;" or, "don't know about that;"
and the classic "Please reinstall" with the classic response, "I've
done that 10 times, no change..."

Sounds like Corel's VP5 thru 7... they were major screw-ups. I've never had
to reinstall xerox's VP 1.1 thru 4.1, nor Corel's VP8+.

FM conquered with FM4, and the introduction of their fabulous Table
Editor -- still from what I've seen the best thing out there for
tables.

Both VP and FM handle tables exceptionally well, which is one reason that
QuirkXPress, InDesign and other apps are not well suited for tech docs. It
isn't uncommon to have tables that run 20+ multi-column pages, and most apps
just can't do that. Other "must haves" include equations as typographic
text, mulitple cross references, and indexes, which both FM and VP do well.

Combine that with FM's very powerful numbering system, their book
system, long-document capabilities, and now multiple delivery paths,
and it is likely still a "best buy" -- assuming you need that kind of
power.

VP is also strong in long-document and multi-chapter functionality. I can't
say that there is much of a difference in capability between those two apps
in that regard. If by "mulitple delivery paths" you are referring to FM's
"conditional text" capabilities, I agree, but that isn't new, FM4 had that!

For me, one of the best features of FM is its MIF format. I've built 500
page technical products catalogs completely by programs written to parse
databases and create the pages without intervention using that feature.
--
best regards,

Neil

 

[Trevor]

"dave" <ricketzz@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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On 11/28/2013 07:17 PM, Trevor wrote:
"dave" <ricketzz@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:9YCdnfpfzLPSxwrPnZ2dnUVZ_qudnZ2d@earthlink.com...
You do need to do a little digging, which is where Linux really shines;
nobody offers you a solution upon receipt of payment.

So you criticise Windows for needing support, but praise Linux for the
same
reason? The on-line user base for both OS is equally helpful IME.

Not at all. I criticize Windows for charging money for what others give
for free.

Fair enough since you obviously work for nothing and therfore can't possibly
pay for an OS right?

BTW: The Windows bundled with a new consumer PC is usually paid for by the
adware included with the OS bundle.

Rubbish, Micosoft CHARGES them/the buyer for the OS. Scumware is just a way
the hardware manufacturer makes a bit more profit, and most people remove it
anyway.

PC makers include Windows because Microsoft used monopolistic methods to
crush any competition.

What monopoly, YOU said Linux is a viable competitor didn't you? I believe
Apple also thinks they are

I'd be fine if they charged a reasonable fee, but over $200 is excessive
in light of what others charge for theirs, which I believe is zero.

Since you can buy a laptop with Windows for $300, are you really supid
enough to think you are paying $200 of that for Windows, and also stupid
enough to suggest that is already paid for by scumware in the very same
post! So if it's paid for by scumware, you are getting it for free and
should be happy!

Trevor.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

PC makers include Windows because Microsoft used monopolistic
methods to crush any competition.

This was true in the days of MS-DOS, when Microsoft obliged computer makers to
put DOS on all their machines, if they wanted a license. Microsoft took a lot
of flak for that, and it eventually ended. I don't believe it occurs with
Windows.

I'd be fine if they charged a reasonable fee, but over $200 is excessive in
light of what others charge for theirs, which I believe is zero.

It depends on what you're getting. In theory, the product you pay most for
should give you the best quality, the rationale being that the manufacturer
will continually plow its profits into improving its product.

Unfortunately, Microsoft has demonstrated its inability (or unwillingness) to
produce an OS that's stable and bug-free. The reason Windows 7 was an
improvement over its predecessors is that Microsoft finally got wise and hired
some guy (I forget his name) who kicked butt.

I just read that Apple appears to be falling down on the -- uh -- job, and its
current OS release has many problems.

Steve Jobs supposedly admired Edwin Land, who said "One or two people can be
creative. A committee cannot." Great products (and Land certainly had his
share) are usually the result of a single, focused point of view. When he was
working on the SX-70, many people within the company said it wouldn't work.
Land didn't fire them -- but he kept away from them.

A similar problem exists with Linux -- there is no central authority dictating
what Linux should "look like" or how it should behave. This would appear to
make Linux susceptible to the same problem as most operating systems --
creeping featuritis.

In case you're wondering... I hate Apple and I hate Microsoft. Both companies
stink, the latter because its products rarely come up to the quality level you
expect, and the former because it lies, lies, lies.

I'm writing this on a computer running Windows 7 Professional 64. Though it
might surprise you, the system is stable and rarely locks up or has Weird
Problems. On the other hand, a friend of mine who used a Macintosh told me
(about seven years ago) that the OS "collapsed" and had to be reinstalled. It
happens.

 

[dave]

On 11/29/2013 07:08 PM, Trevor wrote:

"dave" <ricketzz@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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On 11/28/2013 07:17 PM, Trevor wrote:
"dave" <ricketzz@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:9YCdnfpfzLPSxwrPnZ2dnUVZ_qudnZ2d@earthlink.com...
You do need to do a little digging, which is where Linux really shines;
nobody offers you a solution upon receipt of payment.

So you criticise Windows for needing support, but praise Linux for the
same
reason? The on-line user base for both OS is equally helpful IME.

Not at all. I criticize Windows for charging money for what others give
for free.

Fair enough since you obviously work for nothing and therfore can't possibly
pay for an OS right?


BTW: The Windows bundled with a new consumer PC is usually paid for by the
adware included with the OS bundle.

Rubbish, Micosoft CHARGES them/the buyer for the OS. Scumware is just a way
the hardware manufacturer makes a bit more profit, and most people remove it
anyway.


PC makers include Windows because Microsoft used monopolistic methods to
crush any competition.

What monopoly, YOU said Linux is a viable competitor didn't you? I believe
Apple also thinks they are


I'd be fine if they charged a reasonable fee, but over $200 is excessive
in light of what others charge for theirs, which I believe is zero.

Since you can buy a laptop with Windows for $300, are you really supid
enough to think you are paying $200 of that for Windows, and also stupid
enough to suggest that is already paid for by scumware in the very same
post! So if it's paid for by scumware, you are getting it for free and
should be happy!

Trevor.

Until some time in the very late 1990s a retailer that sold Apple was
not allowed to sell Windows. Either you ditched Apple or you could not
sell Microsoft. That is monopolistic methods. Like DirecTV with DiSH,
same deal, back then.

A computer with Windows installed can cost less than the same computer
with no OS installed, because Microsoft makes deals with OEMs that allow
a virtually free Windows license in exchange for exclusivity and
prominence in advertising.

I need RS232 ports, not portability. I am living on a mostly fixed
income, but I can always squeeze out a couple hundred clams for an
investment. If I needed a Windows machine to work I'd have the company
furnish me one.

Gaming is the only thing I can think of that I would need a WinTel box
for, and that is because of the DirectX graphics rendering library that
developers like to use. Sony Playstation is Linux and it plays games
great, so this is an artificial restriction.

Mainly, like I said so many characters ago, I like to build, rebuild,
unbuild, crash and recover my own computers. I like to kill them and
resurrect them. I have 3 ways to boot my ham radio computer. I sure as
hell am not going to call Microsoft every time I move the hard drive to
a new motherboard.

I don't work for nothing, but damn close. I charge a music store a flat
rate of $25 to fix a guitar amp (tubes, obsolete silicon extra). The
store charges $15 on top of that. It has taken a couple years to
assemble a fast bench to make money at the above rate, one ebay purchase
at a time.

Re: support. Sure, Windows solutions are out there, but they involve
passwords and key codes and expiration dates and all manner of distrust
and I don't need any more of that. I do this for fun.

 

[John Williamson]

On 30/11/2013 12:37, William Sommerwerck wrote:

PC makers include Windows because Microsoft used monopolistic
methods to crush any competition.

This was true in the days of MS-DOS, when Microsoft obliged computer
makers to put DOS on all their machines, if they wanted a license.
Microsoft took a lot of flak for that, and it eventually ended. I don't
believe it occurs with Windows.

From what I've read elsewhere, they no longer force Windows on
manufacturers officially, but if they don't buy licences for each
machine they build, then they are put on a much less favourable tariff
than if they do.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

 

[dave]

On 11/30/2013 04:37 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

PC makers include Windows because Microsoft used monopolistic
methods to crush any competition.

This was true in the days of MS-DOS, when Microsoft obliged computer
makers to put DOS on all their machines, if they wanted a license.
Microsoft took a lot of flak for that, and it eventually ended. I don't
believe it occurs with Windows.


I'd be fine if they charged a reasonable fee, but over $200 is
excessive in light of what others charge for theirs, which I believe
is zero.

It depends on what you're getting. In theory, the product you pay most
for should give you the best quality, the rationale being that the
manufacturer will continually plow its profits into improving its product.

Unfortunately, Microsoft has demonstrated its inability (or
unwillingness) to produce an OS that's stable and bug-free. The reason
Windows 7 was an improvement over its predecessors is that Microsoft
finally got wise and hired some guy (I forget his name) who kicked butt.

I just read that Apple appears to be falling down on the -- uh -- job,
and its current OS release has many problems.

Steve Jobs supposedly admired Edwin Land, who said "One or two people
can be creative. A committee cannot." Great products (and Land certainly
had his share) are usually the result of a single, focused point of
view. When he was working on the SX-70, many people within the company
said it wouldn't work. Land didn't fire them -- but he kept away from them.

A similar problem exists with Linux -- there is no central authority
dictating what Linux should "look like" or how it should behave. This
would appear to make Linux susceptible to the same problem as most
operating systems -- creeping featuritis.

In case you're wondering... I hate Apple and I hate Microsoft. Both
companies stink, the latter because its products rarely come up to the
quality level you expect, and the former because it lies, lies, lies.

I'm writing this on a computer running Windows 7 Professional 64. Though
it might surprise you, the system is stable and rarely locks up or has
Weird Problems. On the other hand, a friend of mine who used a Macintosh
told me (about seven years ago) that the OS "collapsed" and had to be
reinstalled. It happens.

I don't hate either company; I even own an iPod touch. Like I said
previously when my XP netbook is no longer supported I will get a Win 7
premium used desktop from an authorized refurbisher for under $100, OS
inclusive.

I am on an old gamer machine right now, an ASUS P4 with liquid cooled 3
GHz Intel processors.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"dave" wrote in message
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I am on an old gamer machine right now, an ASUS P4
with liquid cooled 3 GHz Intel processors.

My previous computer was a P4T. Very nice.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

dave wrote:

On 11/26/2013 01:37 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

dave wrote:

On 11/25/2013 04:18 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

dave wrote:

What about Android, kind sir?.


Are you really that stupid? Should we start calling you 'Always
Wrong V2.0'? The statistics for ALL VERSIONS were barely over 10%. I
know you're a union drone, and had the mandatory IBEW lobotomy, but
learn to read and think. YOu aren't clever, and you can't even troll
past the kindergarten level.

I am very stupid. I have autism and never finished high school. There.
Do you feel better now, Mr. Friendly?


Yawn. Do you feel better now for making fun of the disabled?


Are you always like this?

Yes. You've shown your ass several times, so it's no holds barred. I
use Window. I use Linux. I just bought a second Android tablet. The
first was defective, and died after a few weeks. I've used operating
systems you've never seen or heard of. The first was over 30 years ago.
The company that created that OS and built the hardware was out of
business. We had $60,000 tied up in the two systems, so I fixed both
hardware and software problems for the next three years. They bought new
computers after I quit. How many 8" single sided floppy disk drives have
you repaired or replaced?


--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

 

[Trevor]

"dave" <ricketzz@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Until some time in the very late 1990s a retailer that sold Apple was not
allowed to sell Windows.

Yep, but Apples doing, not Microsofts. Apple has always been like that.

A computer with Windows installed can cost less than the same computer
with no OS installed, because Microsoft makes deals with OEMs that allow a
virtually free Windows license in exchange for exclusivity and prominence
in advertising.

So not the $200+ you previously claimed then.

I don't work for nothing, but damn close. I charge a music store a flat
rate of $25 to fix a guitar amp (tubes, obsolete silicon extra). The store
charges $15 on top of that. It has taken a couple years to assemble a fast
bench to make money at the above rate, one ebay purchase at a time.

Yet even $25 is more than you seem to think the OS developers time is worth.

Re: support. Sure, Windows solutions are out there, but they involve
passwords and key codes and expiration dates and all manner of distrust
and I don't need any more of that. I do this for fun.

Rubbish, the same user groups support is available for Windows as for Linux.
I've used Windows since 3.0 and never once contacted Microsoft, but I do
appreciate their online knowledgebase.

Trevor.

 

[sctvguy1]

On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 05:27:56 -0800, dave wrote:

On 12/02/2013 05:17 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
news:rpudnSSWc7XWGAHPnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
On 12/02/2013 04:50 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

Agreed. You can almost find an answer with a Google search. However,
the "official" help from Microsoft in these groups is sometimes
terrible,
with the helper offering trivial solutions that the questioner has
almost always tried.

Who uses Google? Why?
Try duckduckgo.com

I just tried it with my recent printer problem. It was even worse than
Google.



I was speaking "in general". My Linux uses the same printer system as
Apple, CUPS. I have never had to fish for a printer driver, just agree
with the software.

duckduckgo doesn't save your browsing history or push certain names.

Man, this is developing into an "advocacy" pissing contest. Leave him to
his Windows or Mac, you are only poking a bear. I, myself, use PCLinuxOS,
have since 2008. Before that, OS/2, never Windows. You're pissing in
the wind with this guy.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"Trevor" wrote in message news:l7grlu$ur6$1@speranza.aioe.org...
"dave" <ricketzz@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Re: support. Sure, Windows solutions are out there, but they involve
passwords and key codes and expiration dates and all manner of
distrust and I don't need any more of that. I do this for fun.

Rubbish, the same user groups support is available for Windows as
for Linux. I've used Windows since 3.0 and never once contacted
Microsoft, but I do appreciate their online knowledgebase.

Agreed. You can almost find an answer with a Google search. However, the
"official" help from Microsoft in these groups is sometimes terrible, with the
helper offering trivial solutions that the questioner has almost always tried.

 

[dave]

On 12/01/2013 03:15 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

dave wrote:

On 11/26/2013 01:37 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

dave wrote:

On 11/25/2013 04:18 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Are you always like this?


Yes. You've shown your ass several times, so it's no holds barred. I
use Window. I use Linux. I just bought a second Android tablet. The
first was defective, and died after a few weeks. I've used operating
systems you've never seen or heard of. The first was over 30 years ago.
The company that created that OS and built the hardware was out of
business. We had $60,000 tied up in the two systems, so I fixed both
hardware and software problems for the next three years. They bought new
computers after I quit. How many 8" single sided floppy disk drives have
you repaired or replaced?

I worked out of Blue Cross in Phoenix. We had hard disk drives the size
of washing machines, IBM punch cards (along with the room full of ladies
to keypunch them). 2 inch magnetic tape was another favored portable
mode of data transportation. As I recall the 8" [truly] floppy was still
in the lab stage at that point.

It took two stories of equipment to print a blue lock box full of
medical bills.

I was curious about the crude language, do you have anger issues?

 

[dave]

On 12/02/2013 04:50 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

"Trevor" wrote in message news:l7grlu$ur6$1@speranza.aioe.org...
"dave" <ricketzz@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:ud6dnYvR95OgaATPnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@earthlink.com...

Re: support. Sure, Windows solutions are out there, but they involve
passwords and key codes and expiration dates and all manner of
distrust and I don't need any more of that. I do this for fun.

Rubbish, the same user groups support is available for Windows as
for Linux. I've used Windows since 3.0 and never once contacted
Microsoft, but I do appreciate their online knowledgebase.

Agreed. You can almost find an answer with a Google search. However, the
"official" help from Microsoft in these groups is sometimes terrible,
with the helper offering trivial solutions that the questioner has
almost always tried.

Who uses Google? Why?

Try duckduckgo.com