beware of the updates you install

[William Sommerwerck]

"dave" wrote in message
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On 12/02/2013 04:50 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

Agreed. You can almost find an answer with a Google search. However,
the "official" help from Microsoft in these groups is sometimes terrible,
with the helper offering trivial solutions that the questioner has
almost always tried.

Who uses Google? Why?
Try duckduckgo.com

I just tried it with my recent printer problem. It was even worse than Google.

 

[dave]

On 12/02/2013 05:17 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

"dave" wrote in message
news:rpudnSSWc7XWGAHPnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
On 12/02/2013 04:50 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

Agreed. You can almost find an answer with a Google search. However,
the "official" help from Microsoft in these groups is sometimes
terrible,
with the helper offering trivial solutions that the questioner has
almost always tried.

Who uses Google? Why?
Try duckduckgo.com

I just tried it with my recent printer problem. It was even worse than
Google.

I was speaking "in general". My Linux uses the same printer system as
Apple, CUPS. I have never had to fish for a printer driver, just agree
with the software.

duckduckgo doesn't save your browsing history or push certain names.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"dave" wrote in message
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On 12/02/2013 05:17 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

"dave" wrote in message
news:rpudnSSWc7XWGAHPnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
On 12/02/2013 04:50 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

Agreed. You can almost find an answer with a Google search.
However, the "official" help from Microsoft in these groups is
sometimes terrible, with the helper offering trivial solutions
that the questioner has almost always tried.

Who uses Google? Why? Try duckduckgo.com

I just tried it with my recent printer problem. It was even worse than
Google.

I was speaking "in general". My Linux uses the same printer system as Apple,
CUPS. I have never had to fish for a printer driver, just agree with the
software.

Who's ever had to fish for HP printer drivers? "They're everywhere, they're
everywhere." My problem was not with the printer driver, anyhow. (I did find a
question from a decade ago about exactly my problem. Unfortunately, no one
came up with a resolution.)


> duckduckgo doesn't save your browsing history or push certain names.

Then what's that sponsored link I see at the top?

 

[dave]

On 12/02/2013 05:38 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

"dave" wrote in message
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On 12/02/2013 05:17 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
news:rpudnSSWc7XWGAHPnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
On 12/02/2013 04:50 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

Agreed. You can almost find an answer with a Google search.
However, the "official" help from Microsoft in these groups is
sometimes terrible, with the helper offering trivial solutions
that the questioner has almost always tried.

Who uses Google? Why? Try duckduckgo.com

I just tried it with my recent printer problem. It was even worse than
Google.

I was speaking "in general". My Linux uses the same printer system as
Apple, CUPS. I have never had to fish for a printer driver, just agree
with the software.

Who's ever had to fish for HP printer drivers? "They're everywhere,
they're everywhere." My problem was not with the printer driver, anyhow.
(I did find a question from a decade ago about exactly my problem.
Unfortunately, no one came up with a resolution.)


duckduckgo doesn't save your browsing history or push certain names.

Then what's that sponsored link I see at the top?

That's a "sponsored link". That pays for the 2 story house DDG calls
headquarters.

 

[dave]

On 12/02/2013 08:04 AM, sctvguy1 wrote:

On Mon, 02 Dec 2013 05:27:56 -0800, dave wrote:

On 12/02/2013 05:17 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
news:rpudnSSWc7XWGAHPnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
On 12/02/2013 04:50 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

Agreed. You can almost find an answer with a Google search. However,
the "official" help from Microsoft in these groups is sometimes
terrible,
with the helper offering trivial solutions that the questioner has
almost always tried.

Who uses Google? Why?
Try duckduckgo.com

I just tried it with my recent printer problem. It was even worse than
Google.



I was speaking "in general". My Linux uses the same printer system as
Apple, CUPS. I have never had to fish for a printer driver, just agree
with the software.

duckduckgo doesn't save your browsing history or push certain names.

Man, this is developing into an "advocacy" pissing contest. Leave him to
his Windows or Mac, you are only poking a bear. I, myself, use PCLinuxOS,
have since 2008. Before that, OS/2, never Windows. You're pissing in
the wind with this guy.

clear

 

[Tim Mullen]

In <l7j5pi$p1l$1@dont-email.me> "D. Peter Maus" <dpetermaus@att.net> writes:

You know, you likes what you likes. You uses what you uses. Sometimes
the reasons are logical. Sometimes they're not. And rarely does it matter.

I couldn't care less what people use at home, it's when they drag
these systems into the workplace it becomes my problem. Apple and
Microsoft are not professional products. They're fine for the home,
and I wish to hell they'd stay there.

>I don't care for Martin Logans in theatre applications.

Martin-Logan original CLS in a non-theater application. Luv 'em.

And I use Shure SE846 in-ears when I'm working. Or mowing the lawn.

Discuss.

Western Electric 509W's with Sennheiser drivers, the original
fiddly bits carefully preserved.

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[William Sommerwerck]

"sctvguy1" wrote in message news:l7ib26$910$1@dont-email.me...

Leave him to his Windows or Mac, you are only poking a bear.
I, myself, use PCLinuxOS, have since 2008. Before that, OS/2,
never Windows. You're pissing in the wind with this guy.

Am I supposed to demonstrate my intelligence and wisdom by publicly announcing
that I will abandon Windows on the basis of statements from people who know
ever so much more than I do?

I have yet to hear a /good/ reason why I should switch to Linux (or the Mac,
for that matter). And I mean a /good/ one. If Linux is categorically better
than Windows or the Mac OS, you should have no difficulty convincing me and
others.

I can just imagine your reaction if I visited your homes and suggested you
throw out whatever speakers you currently own and buy QUADs or Martin-Logans.

 

[John Williamson]

On 02/12/2013 21:45, William Sommerwerck wrote:

"sctvguy1" wrote in message news:l7ib26$910$1@dont-email.me...

Leave him to his Windows or Mac, you are only poking a bear.
I, myself, use PCLinuxOS, have since 2008. Before that, OS/2,
never Windows. You're pissing in the wind with this guy.

Am I supposed to demonstrate my intelligence and wisdom by publicly
announcing that I will abandon Windows on the basis of statements from
people who know ever so much more than I do?

I have yet to hear a /good/ reason why I should switch to Linux (or the
Mac, for that matter). And I mean a /good/ one. If Linux is
categorically better than Windows or the Mac OS, you should have no
difficulty convincing me and others.

I can just imagine your reaction if I visited your homes and suggested
you throw out whatever speakers you currently own and buy QUADs or
Martin-Logans.

Or, to improve the analogy slightly, Bose.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"John Williamson" wrote in message news:bg4e6fFss1hU1@mid.individual.net...
On 02/12/2013 21:45, William Sommerwerck wrote:

"sctvguy1" wrote in message news:l7ib26$910$1@dont-email.me...

I can just imagine your reaction if I visited your homes and suggested
you throw out whatever speakers you currently own and buy QUADs or
Martin-Logans.

Or, to improve the analogy slightly, Bose.

That destroys the analogy.

 

[Trevor]

"John Williamson" <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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On 02/12/2013 21:45, William Sommerwerck wrote:
I can just imagine your reaction if I visited your homes and suggested
you throw out whatever speakers you currently own and buy QUADs or
Martin-Logans.

Or, to improve the analogy slightly, Bose.

Now they *should* be free like Linux

Trevor.

 

[D. Peter Maus]

On 12/2/13 15:45 , William Sommerwerck wrote:

"sctvguy1" wrote in message news:l7ib26$910$1@dont-email.me...

Leave him to his Windows or Mac, you are only poking a bear.
I, myself, use PCLinuxOS, have since 2008. Before that, OS/2,
never Windows. You're pissing in the wind with this guy.

Am I supposed to demonstrate my intelligence and wisdom by publicly
announcing that I will abandon Windows on the basis of statements from
people who know ever so much more than I do?

I have yet to hear a /good/ reason why I should switch to Linux (or the
Mac, for that matter). And I mean a /good/ one. If Linux is
categorically better than Windows or the Mac OS, you should have no
difficulty convincing me and others.

I can just imagine your reaction if I visited your homes and suggested
you throw out whatever speakers you currently own and buy QUADs or
Martin-Logans.

I'm forever amazed by these kinds of pissing contests. Reminds me of
the Ford/Chevy bareknuckle brawls that used to erupt in my neighborhood
in the 50s/60s. My old man stopped speaking to the guy next door over
it. And this kind of crap went on for 30 years. There never seems an end
to it.

He never said a word to me about my Studebaker, though.

First sign of wisdom I'd seen from the man.


You know, you likes what you likes. You uses what you uses. Sometimes
the reasons are logical. Sometimes they're not. And rarely does it matter.

Geez.

Better, faster, smoother, cleaner. User friendly, technically
advanced. Cures frustrations, cancer, baldness, hot checks and door to
door salesmen.

Really.

The only thing that matters is the purpose for which an OS is
selected, and the effectiveness in the hands of the person driving the bus.

Any opinions, recommendations, insistences, condemnations,
verifications, or screaming fits of cannabinol induced engineering are
only so much noise.

Seriously. Mac-Windows-Ford-Chevy-infinity. Dr. Casey, you may open. I
bid 4 no trump.



And for the record, I have Altec-Lansing A7's, 846's, 503's, 105's,
JBL L200T3's, Klipsch 1.5's, Heresy II's, KP-250's, and Apogee Duettas.
I don't care for Martin Logans in theatre applications.

And I use Shure SE846 in-ears when I'm working. Or mowing the lawn.

Discuss.



p

 

[D. Peter Maus]

On 12/2/13 15:59 , John Williamson wrote:

On 02/12/2013 21:45, William Sommerwerck wrote:
"sctvguy1" wrote in message news:l7ib26$910$1@dont-email.me...

Leave him to his Windows or Mac, you are only poking a bear.
I, myself, use PCLinuxOS, have since 2008. Before that, OS/2,
never Windows. You're pissing in the wind with this guy.

Am I supposed to demonstrate my intelligence and wisdom by publicly
announcing that I will abandon Windows on the basis of statements from
people who know ever so much more than I do?

I have yet to hear a /good/ reason why I should switch to Linux (or the
Mac, for that matter). And I mean a /good/ one. If Linux is
categorically better than Windows or the Mac OS, you should have no
difficulty convincing me and others.

I can just imagine your reaction if I visited your homes and suggested
you throw out whatever speakers you currently own and buy QUADs or
Martin-Logans.

Or, to improve the analogy slightly, Bose.

Buy

Other

Sound

Equipment.


memberfdic

 

[D. Peter Maus]

On 12/2/13 16:31 , Trevor wrote:

"John Williamson" <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:bg4e6fFss1hU1@mid.individual.net...
On 02/12/2013 21:45, William Sommerwerck wrote:
I can just imagine your reaction if I visited your homes and suggested
you throw out whatever speakers you currently own and buy QUADs or
Martin-Logans.

Or, to improve the analogy slightly, Bose.

Now they *should* be free like Linux

Trevor.

Even then, they'd be overpriced.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message news:l7j5pi$p1l$1@dont-email.me...

You know, you likes what you likes. You uses what you uses. Sometimes the
reasons are logical. Sometimes they're not. And rarely does it matter.

Agreed. And I didn't start this particular urinary exchange.

And for the record, I have Altec-Lansing A7's, 846's, 503's, 105's, JBL
L200T3's, Klipsch 1.5's, Heresy II's, KP-250's, and Apogee Duettas. I don't
care for Martin Logans in theatre applications.

That's really an eclectic mixture. (I assume you aren't mixing Apogee and
Klipsch in the same system.)

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"Tim Mullen" wrote in message news:l7ja98$t2g$1@reader1.panix.com...

I couldn't care less what people use at home, it's when they drag
these systems into the workplace it becomes my problem. Apple
and Microsoft are not professional products. They're fine for the
home, and I wish to hell they'd stay there.

I don't understand what you mean by "drag into the workplace". Are you talking
about people using their own computers and the security/maintenance problems
this causes? Or something else?

 

[dave]

On 12/03/2013 04:23 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message news:l7j5pi$p1l$1@dont-email.me...

You know, you likes what you likes. You uses what you uses. Sometimes
the reasons are logical. Sometimes they're not. And rarely does it
matter.

Agreed. And I didn't start this particular urinary exchange.

Actually, you did. This is your thread, William. I vote for Cambridge
Audio Model Six.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"dave" wrote in message
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On 12/03/2013 04:23 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message news:l7j5pi$p1l$1@dont-email.me...

You know, you likes what you likes. You uses what you uses.
Sometimes the reasons are logical. Sometimes they're not.
And rarely does it matter.

Agreed. And I didn't start this particular urinary exchange.

Actually, you did. This is your thread, William.

I didn't start the argument about the superiority of one OS over another. I am
no more responsible than the people who build highways are for auto accidents.


> I vote for Cambridge [SoundWorks] Model Six.

Henry was clever, wasn't he? I have not only the original KLH Model 11 FM, but
the sourceless recreation of it, the Cambridge SoundWorks Model 11. I'm
currently restoring a pair of original Advents. It's probably the "biggest
bang for the buck" speaker ever, and certainly one of the most-"listenable".

 

[D. Peter Maus]

On 12/2/13 18:57 , Tim Mullen wrote:

In <l7j5pi$p1l$1@dont-email.me> "D. Peter Maus" <dpetermaus@att.net> writes:

You know, you likes what you likes. You uses what you uses. Sometimes
the reasons are logical. Sometimes they're not. And rarely does it matter.

I couldn't care less what people use at home, it's when they drag
these systems into the workplace it becomes my problem. Apple and
Microsoft are not professional products. They're fine for the home,
and I wish to hell they'd stay there.

I don't care for Martin Logans in theatre applications.

Martin-Logan original CLS in a non-theater application. Luv 'em.

And I use Shure SE846 in-ears when I'm working. Or mowing the lawn.

Discuss.

Western Electric 509W's with Sennheiser drivers, the original
fiddly bits carefully preserved.

Now, THAT's something I've not tried.

Interesting.

 

[D. Peter Maus]

On 12/3/13 06:23 , William Sommerwerck wrote:

"D. Peter Maus" wrote in message news:l7j5pi$p1l$1@dont-email.me...

You know, you likes what you likes. You uses what you uses. Sometimes
the reasons are logical. Sometimes they're not. And rarely does it
matter.

Agreed. And I didn't start this particular urinary exchange.


And for the record, I have Altec-Lansing A7's, 846's, 503's, 105's,
JBL L200T3's, Klipsch 1.5's, Heresy II's, KP-250's, and Apogee
Duettas. I don't care for Martin Logans in theatre applications.

That's really an eclectic mixture. (I assume you aren't mixing Apogee
and Klipsch in the same system.)

Um....No. The Apogees are in their own, acoustically modified room.

 

[Tim Mullen]

In <l7kim4$23h$1@dont-email.me> "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> writes:

"Tim Mullen" wrote in message news:l7ja98$t2g$1@reader1.panix.com...

I couldn't care less what people use at home, it's when they drag
these systems into the workplace it becomes my problem. Apple
and Microsoft are not professional products. They're fine for the
home, and I wish to hell they'd stay there.

I don't understand what you mean by "drag into the workplace". Are you talking
about people using their own computers and the security/maintenance problems
this causes? Or something else?

Something else, something far more insidious -- the belief that because
their chosen platform works fine for them at home, it oughta be just peachy
in any enviroment. It becomes tiring explaining to bean counters that, yes
you can buy 3TB disk drives for $100, no they won't work here and the ones
I need are a lot more expensive. Yes, Netgear switches are a tenth the
cost of a Cisco, no we can't get by with Netgear.

It's as if people believed Yugos, Ferraris, and Mack trucks were all
the same because they all have four wheels.

Developers are just as bad. The application worked fine on their garage
peecee, why is it a problem that it only runs on a Mac? Well, I need my
machines to play well with others, and Macs don't. Certain applications
now only run under MacOSX 10.7. I run a CXFS shop. CXFS5.7 doesn't support
MacOSX 10.7. So now I have to upgrade a core infrastructure of 40 machines
just because of one developer.

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