D
dave
Guest
On 11/25/2013 01:59 PM, John Williamson wrote:
Desktop?
Desktop?
D
dave
Guest
On 11/25/2013 04:18 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Do you feel better now, Mr. Friendly?
I am very stupid. I have autism and never finished high school. There.
Do you feel better now, Mr. Friendly?
D
dave
Guest
On 11/25/2013 09:14 AM, dave wrote:
W
William Sommerwerck
Guest
"dave" wrote in message
news
vqdnY2VLrv6OgnPnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
Yes, because it's running natively under Windows.
news
vqdnY2VLrv6OgnPnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@earthlink.com...Yes, because it's running natively under Windows.
J
John Williamson
Guest
On 26/11/2013 13:47, dave wrote:
The bit on the desk (Keyboard, monitor, mouse) that most computer users
interact with. Although that's changing with the increase in tablet and
smartphone usage.
--
Tciao for Now!
John.
The bit on the desk (Keyboard, monitor, mouse) that most computer users
interact with. Although that's changing with the increase in tablet and
smartphone usage.
--
Tciao for Now!
John.
D
dave
Guest
On 11/26/2013 06:14 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
If it is running "natively" why does it need a compatibility mode?
"dave" wrote in message
news
The latest version (as of July 2013) is Corel Ventura 10 (2002), this
version runs in Windows 8 (x86/64) with compatibility mode (w2k) and
copy "mfc42.dll" in programs corel folder. Also run over linux ubuntu
13.04 / wine, inclusive in live usb mode.
Is running [Ventura] in "compatibility mode" on modern Win machines
any better than running in a compatibility mode on Ubuntu?
Yes, because it's running natively under Windows.
If it is running "natively" why does it need a compatibility mode?
D
dave
Guest
On 11/26/2013 06:25 AM, John Williamson wrote:
I have always kept the box on the floor (earthquake country). It is my
limited observation that the desktop has virtually disappeared in favor
of dumb terminals and powerful servers, in situations where a
traditional architecture is required. I have 3 cases which I use for
computer building. I have a 7300 Dual Core running Puppy Linux 5.7.1
that I use for digital ham radio. It also has a dual boot Mint 15 Xfce,
and a live CD of Andy's Ham Radio Ububtu Remix. It has a way better than
80 smps because it never turns off.
My regular surf machine is my friend's obsolete (for gaming) Asus P5 MB,
fast video, blah blah. That's this one on which I type. I loved
computers until the late 1990s, when they started making us pay for
everything. It was quite the wilderness for a few years, then came Puppy
Linux! I once again enjoy "playing" with computers. No hour long calls
to MSFT demanding they transfer my ancient Authorization to a new
motherboard because the old one "broke". No begging insiders for
employee discounts. Etc.
Fun is the main reason I like Linux,
I have always kept the box on the floor (earthquake country). It is my
limited observation that the desktop has virtually disappeared in favor
of dumb terminals and powerful servers, in situations where a
traditional architecture is required. I have 3 cases which I use for
computer building. I have a 7300 Dual Core running Puppy Linux 5.7.1
that I use for digital ham radio. It also has a dual boot Mint 15 Xfce,
and a live CD of Andy's Ham Radio Ububtu Remix. It has a way better than
80 smps because it never turns off.
My regular surf machine is my friend's obsolete (for gaming) Asus P5 MB,
fast video, blah blah. That's this one on which I type. I loved
computers until the late 1990s, when they started making us pay for
everything. It was quite the wilderness for a few years, then came Puppy
Linux! I once again enjoy "playing" with computers. No hour long calls
to MSFT demanding they transfer my ancient Authorization to a new
motherboard because the old one "broke". No begging insiders for
employee discounts. Etc.
Fun is the main reason I like Linux,
S
Scott Dorsey
Guest
William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
Is Ventura Publisher still actually made? I haven't heard of that in years.
I think these days the big kings are Quark (which seems to be on the way
out) and the Adobe Creative Suite. A lot of folks still seem to want Quark
files.
That said, pretty much all my experience with this stuff is with CD booklets
and LP covers, which may not be typical of the rest of the industry.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Is Ventura Publisher still actually made? I haven't heard of that in years.
I think these days the big kings are Quark (which seems to be on the way
out) and the Adobe Creative Suite. A lot of folks still seem to want Quark
files.
That said, pretty much all my experience with this stuff is with CD booklets
and LP covers, which may not be typical of the rest of the industry.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
S
Scott Dorsey
Guest
Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
This _is_ pretty much true. Now, admittedly Linux isn't just one OS, it's
a whole family of different distributions, so calling it the most popular OS
on the planet is kind of stretching things.
This was true a few years ago, in that the majority of people surfing websites
from end-user desktops were using Windows systems. End-user desktops are not
the only computers out there, though. And these days, if you look at your
server logs, you'll find the majority of people surfing websites are doing
it from tablets and cellphones and other mobile devices.
Could well be. Could also be there were a lot of people on Macs who had
set their user agent in the browser to identify themselves as using IE on
a Windows machine because that's the only way they could get a lot of
websites to work. A few years ago that was a common activity, but thankfully
the need for that has disappeared.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
This _is_ pretty much true. Now, admittedly Linux isn't just one OS, it's
a whole family of different distributions, so calling it the most popular OS
on the planet is kind of stretching things.
This was true a few years ago, in that the majority of people surfing websites
from end-user desktops were using Windows systems. End-user desktops are not
the only computers out there, though. And these days, if you look at your
server logs, you'll find the majority of people surfing websites are doing
it from tablets and cellphones and other mobile devices.
Could well be. Could also be there were a lot of people on Macs who had
set their user agent in the browser to identify themselves as using IE on
a Windows machine because that's the only way they could get a lot of
websites to work. A few years ago that was a common activity, but thankfully
the need for that has disappeared.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
S
Scott Dorsey
Guest
William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
It's not really running natively, it only looks that way until something
goes wrong.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
"dave" wrote in message
news
The latest version (as of July 2013) is Corel Ventura 10 (2002), this
version runs in Windows 8 (x86/64) with compatibility mode (w2k) and
copy "mfc42.dll" in programs corel folder. Also run over linux ubuntu
13.04 / wine, inclusive in live usb mode.
Is running [Ventura] in "compatibility mode" on modern Win machines
any better than running in a compatibility mode on Ubuntu?
Yes, because it's running natively under Windows.
It's not really running natively, it only looks that way until something
goes wrong.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
W
William Sommerwerck
Guest
"dave" wrote in message
news:xJOdnU5kIJWKLQnPnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@earthlink.com...
On 11/26/2013 06:14 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
I guess it depends on how you define "natively". It's still running under the
installed version of Windows, with appropriate adjustments.
news:xJOdnU5kIJWKLQnPnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@earthlink.com...
On 11/26/2013 06:14 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
I guess it depends on how you define "natively". It's still running under the
installed version of Windows, with appropriate adjustments.
N
Neil Gould
Guest
Scott Dorsey wrote:
William and Me. Corel refuses to update it and also refuses to give it up,
but there are a few of us that provide help to each other to maintain its
on-going viability.
FrameMaker alive and well because it is the only surviving alternative to
Ventura for that purpose. For my active clients, I only use FrameMaker
because it has kept abreast of the rather significant changes to the
publishing industry since the last update of Ventura.
--
best regards,
Neil
It's still available, and there is a good group of die-hard users, like
William and Me. Corel refuses to update it and also refuses to give it up,
but there are a few of us that provide help to each other to maintain its
on-going viability.
Those programs are not for technical writing or publishing. Even Adobe keeps
FrameMaker alive and well because it is the only surviving alternative to
Ventura for that purpose. For my active clients, I only use FrameMaker
because it has kept abreast of the rather significant changes to the
publishing industry since the last update of Ventura.
--
best regards,
Neil
M
Michael A. Terrell
Guest
dave wrote:
Yawn. Do you feel better now for making fun of the disabled?
--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
Yawn. Do you feel better now for making fun of the disabled?
--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
M
Michael A. Terrell
Guest
Scott Dorsey wrote:
The logs showed the operating system separate from the browser in
use. Some were even using Sun workstations with Solaris.
--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
The logs showed the operating system separate from the browser in
use. Some were even using Sun workstations with Solaris.
--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.
D
dave
Guest
On 11/26/2013 01:37 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Are you always like this?
Are you always like this?
T
Trevor
Guest
"dave" <ricketzz@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:guudnXalPKcoHQ7PnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> The fastest computers on the planet run Linux.
Variations of Unix perhaps, not necessarily Linux however.
>It is the most popular OS on the planet
Very doubtful. Of course you would need to define "popular" to have any
meaning at all.
IME Apple OS is the most "popular" (largest number of fanbois) but
definitely not the most widely used. Do you count it as "Linux" though?
(it's not by any normal definition)
>(or soon will be).
More unsupported speculation.
>If there is a task there is an application for it.
Agreed, unfortunately they are often rather poor for consumer applications,
and drivers for a lot of hardware in current use by consumers is often
lacking also.
For server use Linux is king, for consumer applications, definitely not.
I've been hoping for a decade or two that will change, still waiting
unfortunately.
No one is stopping you using whatever you like though, but your fear of
Windows is not shared by everyone.
Trevor.
news:guudnXalPKcoHQ7PnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> The fastest computers on the planet run Linux.
Variations of Unix perhaps, not necessarily Linux however.
>It is the most popular OS on the planet
Very doubtful. Of course you would need to define "popular" to have any
meaning at all.
IME Apple OS is the most "popular" (largest number of fanbois) but
definitely not the most widely used. Do you count it as "Linux" though?
(it's not by any normal definition)
>(or soon will be).
More unsupported speculation.
>If there is a task there is an application for it.
Agreed, unfortunately they are often rather poor for consumer applications,
and drivers for a lot of hardware in current use by consumers is often
lacking also.
For server use Linux is king, for consumer applications, definitely not.
I've been hoping for a decade or two that will change, still waiting
unfortunately.
No one is stopping you using whatever you like though, but your fear of
Windows is not shared by everyone.
Trevor.
D
dave
Guest
On 11/26/2013 05:58 PM, Trevor wrote:
I don't fear Windows, I refuse to pay for an operating system, without
which a computer is not really a computer. Microsoft has all the charm
of an East German policeman in 1979. I have an XP netbook. I am going to
get a refurb Win7 box when XP support goes away in March. Just to
program my iPod, if nothing else. It would be way too sluggish for my
social routine, however.
The Kernel has thousands of drivers already installed. Please name a
consumer device (other than Apple) that you would like to use with Linux
that had a driver issue. I have found Linux to be way more plug-and-play
than Windows, and this has been getting moreso in the past few years.
Usually you need to boot a CD to install something to Windows; virtually
unheard of in Linux.
I don't fear Windows, I refuse to pay for an operating system, without
which a computer is not really a computer. Microsoft has all the charm
of an East German policeman in 1979. I have an XP netbook. I am going to
get a refurb Win7 box when XP support goes away in March. Just to
program my iPod, if nothing else. It would be way too sluggish for my
social routine, however.
The Kernel has thousands of drivers already installed. Please name a
consumer device (other than Apple) that you would like to use with Linux
that had a driver issue. I have found Linux to be way more plug-and-play
than Windows, and this has been getting moreso in the past few years.
Usually you need to boot a CD to install something to Windows; virtually
unheard of in Linux.
J
John Williamson
Guest
On 27/11/2013 13:50, dave wrote:
The Kernel has thousands of drivers already installed. Please name a
"sudo apt-get install $drivername" but without having to remember the
syntax or recompilimg the kernel to get the driver to work as a module.
The Windows driver doesn't have to be in the repository, either, I can
just download it from the maufacturer's website.
It's been a *long* time since I had to boot up a CD or floppy to install
anything under Windows. I often have to load a setup file from a CD or
DVD to install software and a few drivers for hardware that didn't exist
when the OS was written. This facility does not, by and large, exist for
Linux
As for Linux being more plug and play than Windows, that's not been true
since XP was released, as most hardware now complies with the Windows
Driver Model, which, I believe, may have been hacked for use in Linux as
well. I do know that a fair amount of hardware that I need to use which
works fully under Winodws is either totally or partially unusable under
Linux, which is why I keep trying Linux and uninstalling it fairly quickly.
Hardware with driver problems under Linux on my desk:-
A smartcard reader.
A camera with an unsupported RAW file format.
A Nokia Smartphone.
An HTC ditto.
The Zoom mixer/ recorder that I use for sound recording, although it
does show up as an extra drive. Under Windows, with the right DAW
software, it acts as a control surface.
A handy little DJ mixing console for mixing MP3 and WAV files together.
A Huawei 3G dongle, which can, I believe, be made to work by using the
correct spell, installing a third party driver and sacrificing a goat or
similar creature to the God of the airwaves. I've not succeeded yet,
although it "just works" under Windows.
None of the above are made by Apple. I've just tried and rapidly
uninstalled Ubuntu 13, as it made this computer do a very good
inpression of a sloth on valium. It's been a *long* time since I had a
network connection time out waiting for a mouse click to be processed,
--
Tciao for Now!
John.
The Kernel has thousands of drivers already installed. Please name a
Normally, I download drivers for Windows from the web. A bit like
"sudo apt-get install $drivername" but without having to remember the
syntax or recompilimg the kernel to get the driver to work as a module.
The Windows driver doesn't have to be in the repository, either, I can
just download it from the maufacturer's website.
It's been a *long* time since I had to boot up a CD or floppy to install
anything under Windows. I often have to load a setup file from a CD or
DVD to install software and a few drivers for hardware that didn't exist
when the OS was written. This facility does not, by and large, exist for
Linux
As for Linux being more plug and play than Windows, that's not been true
since XP was released, as most hardware now complies with the Windows
Driver Model, which, I believe, may have been hacked for use in Linux as
well. I do know that a fair amount of hardware that I need to use which
works fully under Winodws is either totally or partially unusable under
Linux, which is why I keep trying Linux and uninstalling it fairly quickly.
Hardware with driver problems under Linux on my desk:-
A smartcard reader.
A camera with an unsupported RAW file format.
A Nokia Smartphone.
An HTC ditto.
The Zoom mixer/ recorder that I use for sound recording, although it
does show up as an extra drive. Under Windows, with the right DAW
software, it acts as a control surface.
A handy little DJ mixing console for mixing MP3 and WAV files together.
A Huawei 3G dongle, which can, I believe, be made to work by using the
correct spell, installing a third party driver and sacrificing a goat or
similar creature to the God of the airwaves. I've not succeeded yet,
although it "just works" under Windows.
None of the above are made by Apple. I've just tried and rapidly
uninstalled Ubuntu 13, as it made this computer do a very good
inpression of a sloth on valium. It's been a *long* time since I had a
network connection time out waiting for a mouse click to be processed,
--
Tciao for Now!
John.
F
Frank Stearns
Guest
"Neil Gould" <neil@myplaceofwork.com> writes:
snips
Hi Neil -
Wow! Someone who has heard of FM!! I've been using it in my other day jobs of
technical writer and plug-in writer since FM 2.1 in late 80s/early 90s. I was on
Frame Technology's Customer Advisory Board (pre-Adobe) when it was active in the
early 1990s. (Cisco Systems actually gave me their board seat -- that's another long
story best told some other time.)
Adobe moved FM development to India a few years back. They've been doing a pretty
good job, though there have been some missteps. Generally, though, things are
better, with regular releases coming along for the foreseeable future. And, the new
guys have been reasonably responsive with fixes.
Frank
Mobile Audio
--
.
snips
Hi Neil -
Wow! Someone who has heard of FM!! I've been using it in my other day jobs of
technical writer and plug-in writer since FM 2.1 in late 80s/early 90s. I was on
Frame Technology's Customer Advisory Board (pre-Adobe) when it was active in the
early 1990s. (Cisco Systems actually gave me their board seat -- that's another long
story best told some other time.)
Adobe moved FM development to India a few years back. They've been doing a pretty
good job, though there have been some missteps. Generally, though, things are
better, with regular releases coming along for the foreseeable future. And, the new
guys have been reasonably responsive with fixes.
Frank
Mobile Audio
--
.
W
William Sommerwerck
Guest
"Frank Stearns" wrote in message
news:0s6dndDq_vjnmwvPnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@posted.palinacquisition...
> Wow! Someone who has heard of FM!!
FrameMaker (not to be confused with PageMaker) was originally created for some
OS other than Windows. I used it for a while about 15 years ago, in its first
Windows incarnation. It had the most-poorly designed dialog boxes for any
piece of software I have ever used.
I hope it's gotten better.
news:0s6dndDq_vjnmwvPnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@posted.palinacquisition...
> Wow! Someone who has heard of FM!!
FrameMaker (not to be confused with PageMaker) was originally created for some
OS other than Windows. I used it for a while about 15 years ago, in its first
Windows incarnation. It had the most-poorly designed dialog boxes for any
piece of software I have ever used.
I hope it's gotten better.