beware of the updates you install

[Michael A. Terrell]

dave wrote:

On 12/01/2013 03:15 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

dave wrote:

On 11/26/2013 01:37 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

dave wrote:

On 11/25/2013 04:18 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Are you always like this?


Yes. You've shown your ass several times, so it's no holds barred. I
use Window. I use Linux. I just bought a second Android tablet. The
first was defective, and died after a few weeks. I've used operating
systems you've never seen or heard of. The first was over 30 years ago.
The company that created that OS and built the hardware was out of
business. We had $60,000 tied up in the two systems, so I fixed both
hardware and software problems for the next three years. They bought new
computers after I quit. How many 8" single sided floppy disk drives have
you repaired or replaced?

I worked out of Blue Cross in Phoenix. We had hard disk drives the size
of washing machines, IBM punch cards (along with the room full of ladies
to keypunch them). 2 inch magnetic tape was another favored portable
mode of data transportation. As I recall the 8" [truly] floppy was still
in the lab stage at that point.

It took two stories of equipment to print a blue lock box full of
medical bills.

I was curious about the crude language, do you have anger issues?

Crude? Are you a Nun?



--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

 

[dave]

On 12/03/2013 12:59 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

dave wrote:



I was curious about the crude language, do you have anger issues?


Crude? Are you a Nun?

(As if nuns are notoriously prudish or something.) I like to think as
professionals we should exhibit a modicum of common decency and show
some respect for the craft and the readers and each other. I'm not
trying to go all Clifton Webb on you or anything, but as a talk show
host from before the mandatory dump button I still get an epinephrine
jolt when somebody lets a "7 deadly" (or something close) fly.

If that is your custom I apologize for misunderstanding your culture.

I'm going to hang-up on myself now.

 

[Nil]

On 17 Dec 2013, "Trevor" <trevor@home.net> wrote in rec.audio.pro:

Me too as a simple photo viewer, hardly the same thing though.
And was Irfanview originally ported from Linux to Windows, or vice
versa?

Irfanview is only a Windows program. There is no native Linux port.

 

[josephkk]

On Wed, 27 Nov 2013 05:50:20 -0800, dave <ricketzz@earthlink.net> wrote:

On 11/26/2013 05:58 PM, Trevor wrote:
"dave" <ricketzz@earthlink.net> wrote in message


If there is a task there is an application for it.

Agreed, unfortunately they are often rather poor for consumer applications,
and drivers for a lot of hardware in current use by consumers is often
lacking also.
For server use Linux is king, for consumer applications, definitely not.
I've been hoping for a decade or two that will change, still waiting
unfortunately.
No one is stopping you using whatever you like though, but your fear of
Windows is not shared by everyone.


I don't fear Windows, I refuse to pay for an operating system, without
which a computer is not really a computer. Microsoft has all the charm
of an East German policeman in 1979. I have an XP netbook. I am going to
get a refurb Win7 box when XP support goes away in March. Just to
program my iPod, if nothing else. It would be way too sluggish for my
social routine, however.

The Kernel has thousands of drivers already installed. Please name a
consumer device (other than Apple) that you would like to use with Linux
that had a driver issue. I have found Linux to be way more plug-and-play
than Windows, and this has been getting moreso in the past few years.
Usually you need to boot a CD to install something to Windows; virtually
unheard of in Linux.

I have occasional issues using Linux with the very latest video cards,
iPods (for obvious reasons) and weird industrial connectivity (serial
usually TIA-485) cards. Other than that linux is very plug and play, and
has very noticeably better support for legacy printers and some scanners.

MS is currently getting serious about abandoning ALL older devices. It
may be enough to drive industrial use to linux.

?-)

 

[Trevor]

"Nil" <rednoise@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message
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> On 17 Dec 2013, "Trevor" <trevor@home.net> wrote in rec.audio.pro:
"josephkk" <joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Color me unimpressed with all Linux photo apps compared to PS/Lightroom.
Most Linux apps are good value for money though

There is some truth in that, however i use a windows port of Irfanview in
the workplace on a regular basis.

Me too as a simple photo viewer, hardly the same thing though.
And was Irfanview originally ported from Linux to Windows, or vice versa?

}
} Irfanview is only a Windows program. There is no native Linux port.

So no relevence whatsoever to the dicussion then! There are decent viewers
for Linux of course, but still no decent editors IMO, ony Gimpy ones.

Trevor.

 

[josephkk]

On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 14:24:09 +1100, "Trevor" <trevor@home.net> wrote:

But I do
encounter this a lot with companies who claim to support Linux but don't
really. (Not that a lot of the same companies also fail to support their
Windows stuff as well.)

True, but anyone who argues there is *more* support for Linux is a liar.

Not really a liar, but not looking at it the same way. Linux support does
seem to expect some contribution to the solution from the user, unlike the
MS world where they cannot trust the user to plug in the stuff. More a
different world view than a comparable situation. Such is FOSS vs M$
viewpoint.

?-)

 

[josephkk]

On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 04:37:07 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
<grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

PC makers include Windows because Microsoft used monopolistic
methods to crush any competition.

This was true in the days of MS-DOS, when Microsoft obliged computer makers to
put DOS on all their machines, if they wanted a license. Microsoft took a lot
of flak for that, and it eventually ended. I don't believe it occurs with
Windows.

Incorrect. I personally got hit with a M$ windows version that refused to
run on top of DRDOS. And the practice continues until today. M$ actually
lost the lawsuit that time because they were too obvious.

?-)

 

[Trevor]

"josephkk" <joseph_barrett@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Color me unimpressed with all Linux photo apps compared to PS/Lightroom.
Most Linux apps are good value for money though

There is some truth in that, however i use a windows port of Irfanview in
the workplace on a regular basis.

Me too as a simple photo viewer, hardly the same thing though.
And was Irfanview originally ported from Linux to Windows, or vice versa?

Trevor.

 

[josephkk]

On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 14:29:28 +1100, "Trevor" <trevor@home.net> wrote:

"dave" <ricketzz@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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http://www.camerahacker.com/Digital/dcraw_by_example.shtml

http://www.softpedia.com/reviews/linux/UFRaw-Review-49016.shtml

Color me unimpressed with all Linux photo apps compared to PS/Lightroom.
Most Linux apps are good value for money though

Trevor.

There is some truth in that, however i use a windows port of Irfanview in
the workplace on a regular basis.

YMMV

?-)

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"josephkk" wrote in message
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MS is currently getting serious about abandoning ALL older devices.
It may be enough to drive industrial use to linux.

It's not Microsoft that makes the choice -- it's the manufacturer of the
device that needs a driver. It's annoying to own a product you're fond of,
then discover there's no driver for a new operating system.

If you're going to criticize Microsoft on this point, it should be for its
failure to allow serial devices * to work with USB ports. Oddly, the only
support Microsoft is allowing parallel printers to connect to USB. It requires
a $15 adapter, and works nicely.

* This is assuming the driver will run properly under the new OS.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"josephkk" wrote in message
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Linux support does seem to expect some contribution to the
solution from the user, unlike the MS world where they cannot
trust the user to plug in the stuff.

Shouldn't /any/ device simply plug in and work, regardless of the expertise of
the user? The computer industry has a long way to go on this.

More a different world view than a comparable situation.
Such is FOSS vs M$ viewpoint.

What's wrong with making money? Profit should be a strong spur to producing
the best-possible product. Of course, that assumes you /want/ to produce the
best-possible product.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"josephkk" wrote in message
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 04:37:07 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
<grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:

PC makers include Windows because Microsoft used monopolistic
methods to crush any competition.

This was true in the days of MS-DOS, when Microsoft obliged computer
makers to put DOS on all their machines, if they wanted a license.
Microsoft took a lot of flak for that, and it eventually ended. I don't
believe it occurs with Windows.

Incorrect. I personally got hit with a M$ windows version that refused to
run on top of DRDOS. And the practice continues until today. M$ actually
lost the lawsuit that time because they were too obvious.

Windows no longer runs on top of DOS. So how does it still occur?

By the way, I misstated. Microsoft did not require computer makers to put DOS
on all their machines. Rather, they had to pay the licensing fee for every
machine, whether or not it had DOS on it.

Let's not forget that Apple has a monopoly on its hardware and OS.

 

[dave]

On 12/18/2013 03:00 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

"josephkk" wrote in message


More a different world view than a comparable situation.
Such is FOSS vs M$ viewpoint.

What's wrong with making money? Profit should be a strong spur to
producing the best-possible product. Of course, that assumes you /want/
to produce the best-possible product.

Profit actually forces companies to cut corners, advertise more and
apply the monopolistic pressures described upstream, rather than put
more resources actually into a product.

What is the Windows version of Gparted?

 

[dave]

On 12/18/2013 03:07 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

By the way, I misstated. Microsoft did not require computer makers to
put DOS on all their machines. Rather, they had to pay the licensing fee
for every machine, whether or not it had DOS on it.

Let's not forget that Apple has a monopoly on its hardware and OS.

Apple is a closed garden, complete with fashion police, and a dress
code. They can have their little party. Android is taking over.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"dave" wrote in message
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On 12/18/2013 03:00 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

"josephkk" wrote in message

More a different world view than a comparable situation.
Such is FOSS vs M$ viewpoint.

What's wrong with making money? Profit should be a strong spur to
producing the best-possible product. Of course, that assumes you /want/
to produce the best-possible product.

Profit actually forces companies to cut corners, advertise more and apply
the monopolistic pressures described upstream, rather than put more
resources actually into a product.

Other than honesty and conscientiousness, how does /not/ making money
encourage someone to produce high-quality open-source software?


> What is the Windows version of Gparted?

I used to use Partition Manager. It was bit klunky, but it worked.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:l8scgp$g8u$1@dont-email.me...

> I used to use Partition Manager.

Whoops. Partition Magic.

 

[dave]

On 12/18/2013 06:58 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:l8scgp$g8u$1@dont-email.me...
I used to use Partition Manager.

Whoops. Partition Magic.

"Partition Magic allows you to create, resize and merge partitions on
your hard drive without destroying data.

Last update 3 Nov. 2011 Licence Free to try | $69.95

OS Support Windows NT, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows 8

Downloads Total: 4,924,031 | Last week: 11,853

Ranking #1 in HardDisk Tools"

$70?

 

[dave]

On 12/18/2013 06:46 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

"dave" wrote in message
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On 12/18/2013 03:00 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
"josephkk" wrote in message

More a different world view than a comparable situation.
Such is FOSS vs M$ viewpoint.

What's wrong with making money? Profit should be a strong spur to
producing the best-possible product. Of course, that assumes you /want/
to produce the best-possible product.

Profit actually forces companies to cut corners, advertise more and
apply the monopolistic pressures described upstream, rather than put
more resources actually into a product.

Other than honesty and conscientiousness, how does /not/ making money
encourage someone to produce high-quality open-source software?

For the fun of it? To mock Microsoft and Apple? Because they are true
artists? Most of them take donations; some are underwritten.

I like the free software because I enjoy messing with computers and do
not want to beg over the phone for a new 20 digit code every time I
brick one and have to start over.

 

[Frank Stearns]

dave <ricketzz@earthlink.net> writes:

On 12/18/2013 03:00 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
"josephkk" wrote in message


More a different world view than a comparable situation.
Such is FOSS vs M$ viewpoint.

What's wrong with making money? Profit should be a strong spur to
producing the best-possible product. Of course, that assumes you /want/
to produce the best-possible product.

Profit actually forces companies to cut corners, advertise more and
apply the monopolistic pressures described upstream, rather than put
more resources actually into a product.

Partly true -- stupid companies cut corners. Smart companies have a longer horizon;
innovative companies with something truly worthwhile can carve out a niche serving
customers and make money, often by a more thoughtful balance of re-investment and
profit.

Profit motive, properly applied, is a remarkable engine. And, through competition,
faults can be self-correcting -- such as stupid companies going out of business
(assuming they are allowed to die; too often now the state floats enterprises that
perhaps ought not continue).

Still, the beast is imperfect and sometimes messy. However, far _less_ perfect and
much more messy are "profitless" systems where you hope your fellow man is doing
something because s/he thinks well of you, or the state has commanded people to do
something (hopefully good).

Problem is, when you overlay innate human avarice and greed on those profitless
systems, the despair is deeper and the corrections much harder to make.

Frank
Mobile Audio
--
.

 

[William Sommerwerck]

"dave" wrote in message
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"Partition Magic allows you to create, resize and merge partitions on
your hard drive without destroying data.

$70?

I paid $50 or so for my copy 15 years ago. When per-byte hard-drive capacity
was far more expensive, that was a reasonable price.