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[whit3rd]

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 6:27:46 AM UTC-7, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

China. They destroyed samples, suppressed the news, and were telling
the world it wasn't contagious when they knew it was.

Not all of 'China', population 1.4 billion, was involved in those events.
China's policy now (and for some months) has been
open and supportive.

Of course samples were destroyed; they're infectious material, you've GOT to
destroy those or use elaborate precautions to store them. The pandemic
means samples are not in short supply.

> The Trump administration's been brilliant, ankle-biters notwithstanding.

Not really; the Trump administration CLASSIFIED some important meetings, and four
congresspersons that did stock trades coincident with getting secret briefings
are now in hot water. Brilliant, that was not. Administration by competent
personnel seems to be happening in China nowadays, and fumbling is
happening in the US. Maybe you're taking the Trump rhetoric too seriously,
it's hard to trust him after his lies about (for instance) Obama's birthplace.

 

On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 14:33:13 +0000, Tom Gardner
<spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 27/03/20 13:27, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 5:50:17 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/03/20 03:33, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
It's hard to trust people who fudged and fibbed, that's John's point.

They've consistently worked hard to minimize and understate. If they've
under-reported infections, that changes the case fatality rates the
world's panicked over.

Sorry, are you talking about China or the Trump administration?

China. They destroyed samples, suppressed the news, and were telling
the world it wasn't contagious when they knew it was.

They certainly weren't perfect. Being afraid to tell truth
to power leads to imperfection.


The Trump administration's been brilliant, ankle-biters notwithstanding.

Being afraid to tell truth to power leads to imperfection.

There is one absolute power in China. Who is going to tell truth to
the Party? Bad things happen to people who try that.

Multiparty democracy is messy, but it's hard for the Blues to keep
scandals secret from the Reds.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
"Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"

 

[Rick C]

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 12:39:43 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 14:33:13 +0000, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 27/03/20 13:27, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 5:50:17 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/03/20 03:33, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
It's hard to trust people who fudged and fibbed, that's John's point.

They've consistently worked hard to minimize and understate. If they've
under-reported infections, that changes the case fatality rates the
world's panicked over.

Sorry, are you talking about China or the Trump administration?

China. They destroyed samples, suppressed the news, and were telling
the world it wasn't contagious when they knew it was.

They certainly weren't perfect. Being afraid to tell truth
to power leads to imperfection.


The Trump administration's been brilliant, ankle-biters notwithstanding.

Being afraid to tell truth to power leads to imperfection.

There is one absolute power in China. Who is going to tell truth to
the Party? Bad things happen to people who try that.

Multiparty democracy is messy, but it's hard for the Blues to keep
scandals secret from the Reds.

Yes, the Reds are much better at getting away with their scandals.

--

Rick C.

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[Flyguy]

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 9:47:39 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 11:16:49 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 9:05:27 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 1:47:58 PM UTC+11, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 9:54:19 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 11:37:19 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 2:02:06 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:

snip

I've not seen anybody claim that the China data is false with any kind of supporting evidence.

The general line is that they don't like the data and think the fact that it come from China is an excuse for them to invent their own.

I suspect they will open the country for business and pretend there are no more deaths.

As Trump seems to be planning to do.

snip

LOL! OF COURSE they isn't any supporting data: China arrests anyone who attempts to do that, and kicks news reporters out of the country to be sure they don't get their story heard.

They certainly try to intimidate reporters, and like to control what the outside world gets to hear, but there are ways of getting around that.

A curious thing has happened China: 21 million cell phone subscriptions have disappeared, and a drop in subscriptions has not occurred before, let alone 21 million:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1F_kWYdqUY

https://www.theepochtimes.com/the-closing-of-21-million-cell-phone-accounts-in-china-may-suggest-a-high-ccp-virus-death-toll_3281291.html

Or it might suggest that the CCP has found out that some phones support encryption, and shut them down.

One point in one of the reports was that migrant workers used to have different cell phones for use at at home and when at work. If China is locking down on one cell phone per person (which is used to identify and locate them all the time) it's easy enough to see how a lot of second cell phones might have get retired.
o
The only thing we know for sure about data from Chinese communists is that it is doctored.

You don't even know that for sure. Doctoring data takes a lot of work on making the associated data consistent with the doctored data, and its rarely worth the effort.

Rabid idiots like you want ignore any Chinese data you don't like and replace with your own bizarre inventions, which isn't helpful.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

Well, rabid idiots like YOU want to believe Chinese data w/o qualification. This sudden disconnection of a massive number of phones is yet another indicator that the Chinese are doing what they do extremely well: LIE.

 

On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 17:10:02 +0000, Tom Gardner
<spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 27/03/20 16:39, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 14:33:13 +0000, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 27/03/20 13:27, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 5:50:17 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/03/20 03:33, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
It's hard to trust people who fudged and fibbed, that's John's point.

They've consistently worked hard to minimize and understate. If they've
under-reported infections, that changes the case fatality rates the
world's panicked over.

Sorry, are you talking about China or the Trump administration?

China. They destroyed samples, suppressed the news, and were telling
the world it wasn't contagious when they knew it was.

They certainly weren't perfect. Being afraid to tell truth
to power leads to imperfection.


The Trump administration's been brilliant, ankle-biters notwithstanding.

Being afraid to tell truth to power leads to imperfection.

There is one absolute power in China. Who is going to tell truth to
the Party? Bad things happen to people who try that.

Multiparty democracy is messy, but it's hard for the Blues to keep
scandals secret from the Reds.

Apparently the reds classified meetings that wouldn't
normally be classified.

Anything juicy gets leaked fast.

N.B. I've given up following Trump's idiocies in detail
since I can't do anything about them and they only affect
me indirectly. I hope.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
"Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 27/03/20 16:39, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 14:33:13 +0000, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 27/03/20 13:27, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 5:50:17 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/03/20 03:33, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
It's hard to trust people who fudged and fibbed, that's John's point.

They've consistently worked hard to minimize and understate. If they've
under-reported infections, that changes the case fatality rates the
world's panicked over.

Sorry, are you talking about China or the Trump administration?

China. They destroyed samples, suppressed the news, and were telling
the world it wasn't contagious when they knew it was.

They certainly weren't perfect. Being afraid to tell truth
to power leads to imperfection.


The Trump administration's been brilliant, ankle-biters notwithstanding.

Being afraid to tell truth to power leads to imperfection.

There is one absolute power in China. Who is going to tell truth to
the Party? Bad things happen to people who try that.

Multiparty democracy is messy, but it's hard for the Blues to keep
scandals secret from the Reds.

Apparently the reds classified meetings that wouldn't
normally be classified.

N.B. I've given up following Trump's idiocies in detail
since I can't do anything about them and they only affect
me indirectly. I hope.

 

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 1:10:08 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:

N.B. I've given up following Trump's idiocies in detail
since I can't do anything about them and they only affect
me indirectly. I hope.

You're wise to ignore the constant nattering, since most of it's
not even remotely true. Nearly every darn gripe you see printed,
when you check the facts, ain't true.

We've been bombarded with the stuff since before he was elected.

I was fully prepared to dislike the man, but, to my surprise, he's
proved excellent.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

[Rick C]

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 1:10:08 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 27/03/20 16:39, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 14:33:13 +0000, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 27/03/20 13:27, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 5:50:17 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/03/20 03:33, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
It's hard to trust people who fudged and fibbed, that's John's point.

They've consistently worked hard to minimize and understate. If they've
under-reported infections, that changes the case fatality rates the
world's panicked over.

Sorry, are you talking about China or the Trump administration?

China. They destroyed samples, suppressed the news, and were telling
the world it wasn't contagious when they knew it was.

They certainly weren't perfect. Being afraid to tell truth
to power leads to imperfection.


The Trump administration's been brilliant, ankle-biters notwithstanding.

Being afraid to tell truth to power leads to imperfection.

There is one absolute power in China. Who is going to tell truth to
the Party? Bad things happen to people who try that.

Multiparty democracy is messy, but it's hard for the Blues to keep
scandals secret from the Reds.

Apparently the reds classified meetings that wouldn't
normally be classified.

N.B. I've given up following Trump's idiocies in detail
since I can't do anything about them and they only affect
me indirectly. I hope.

There are actually regulations prohibiting the classification of meetings just so they won't be accessible to the public, but hard to enforce. Classification is supposed to be about secrets important to the national defense. lol Not the re-electability of the President.

--

Rick C.

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On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 06:37:59 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 2:54:58 AM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 8:33:59 PM UTC-7, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 3:10:32 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 9:29:08 AM UTC-7, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

2) <quote>Chinese laboratories identified a mystery virus as a highly infectious new pathogen by late December last year, but they were ordered to stop tests, destroy samples and suppress the news...

Yeah, there's a few weeks with only dozens of patients and resistance to
the 'new disease' hypothesis. That didn't last.

I think you missed the part about "were ordered to stop tests, destroy
samples, and suppress the news..."

The China response and their
sharing of information with the rest of the world was prompt and seems
complete. The 'some Wuhan authorities' have been disciplined, for the
health of the nation (of China), and that's probably for the best.

It's hard to trust people who fudged and fibbed, that's John's point.

Meaningless mudslinging. It's in the self-interest of
China to combat a major disease, and fibbing isn't how to do that.

Pandemic means this doesn't stop at the border; not at ANY border.

Why try to paint fear, uncertainty, and doubt onto such an unlikely surface? It doesn't stick.

That's being silly. The communists tried to suppress the reports and
they insisted the virus was not transmissible for weeks after they
knew it was. They ejected reporters; they summoned and silenced those
trailblazers who dared discuss it; they withheld critical information
from international medical teams sent in to help.

Those are all objective facts from public reporting. Weighing those
facts is not "paint[ing] fear," etc., it's common sense.

Cheers,
James Arthur

Common sense is old fashioned. Nuance has replaced it.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
"Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"

 

[Rick C]

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 2:13:52 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 20:33:54 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 3:10:32 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 9:29:08 AM UTC-7, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

2) <quote>Chinese laboratories identified a mystery virus as a highly infectious new pathogen by late December last year, but they were ordered to stop tests, destroy samples and suppress the news...

Yeah, there's a few weeks with only dozens of patients and resistance to
the 'new disease' hypothesis. That didn't last.

I think you missed the part about "were ordered to stop tests, destroy
samples, and suppress the news..."

Also, they denied there was human transmission, well after it was amply
established.

The China response and their
sharing of information with the rest of the world was prompt and seems
complete. The 'some Wuhan authorities' have been disciplined, for the
health of the nation (of China), and that's probably for the best.

The idea that data from China 'doesn't make sense' is a laugh, why would early stages
of an epidemic EVER give complete and useful knowledge? The early-months data
from Italy, Korea, Japan, etc. aren't completely informative, either.

It's hard to trust people who fudged and fibbed, that's John's point.

I don't trust the current claims that there are 93 new cases some
days, zero some others. They reported zero for a couple of weeks of
March. That's absurd.

That's not at all true. The Chinese have not reported zero new cases any day since this broke. They have reported zero new cases in WUHAN. In fact, I saw something where they are thinking about removing some of the restrictions in Wuhan.

Try to get your facts right. They do make a difference.

--

Rick C.

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On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 20:33:54 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 3:10:32 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 9:29:08 AM UTC-7, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

2) <quote>Chinese laboratories identified a mystery virus as a highly infectious new pathogen by late December last year, but they were ordered to stop tests, destroy samples and suppress the news...

Yeah, there's a few weeks with only dozens of patients and resistance to
the 'new disease' hypothesis. That didn't last.

I think you missed the part about "were ordered to stop tests, destroy
samples, and suppress the news..."

Also, they denied there was human transmission, well after it was amply
established.

The China response and their
sharing of information with the rest of the world was prompt and seems
complete. The 'some Wuhan authorities' have been disciplined, for the
health of the nation (of China), and that's probably for the best.

The idea that data from China 'doesn't make sense' is a laugh, why would early stages
of an epidemic EVER give complete and useful knowledge? The early-months data
from Italy, Korea, Japan, etc. aren't completely informative, either.

It's hard to trust people who fudged and fibbed, that's John's point.

I don't trust the current claims that there are 93 new cases some
days, zero some others. They reported zero for a couple of weeks of
March. That's absurd.

They've consistently worked hard to minimize and understate. If they've
under-reported infections, that changes the case fatality rates the
world's panicked over.

Cheers,
James Arthur

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
"Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"

 

On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 11:24:39 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 1:10:08 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:

N.B. I've given up following Trump's idiocies in detail
since I can't do anything about them and they only affect
me indirectly. I hope.

You're wise to ignore the constant nattering, since most of it's
not even remotely true. Nearly every darn gripe you see printed,
when you check the facts, ain't true.

We've been bombarded with the stuff since before he was elected.

I was fully prepared to dislike the man, but, to my surprise, he's
proved excellent.

Cheers,
James Arthur

I don't like him, from a personal aspect. I wouldn't want to have him
over for dinner. He's a braggard egomaniac and kinda boring. But he
has common sense (rare these days) and makes unusually sensible
decisions.

Being in politics for decades warps a person's judgement. Swamp
capture effect. He was an amateur, which is refreshing.




--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

The cork popped merrily, and Lord Peter rose to his feet.
"Bunter", he said, "I give you a toast. The triumph of Instinct over Reason"

 

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:ab343f5c-ba6c-420d-8b8f-798995121197@googlegroups.com:

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 4:51:45 PM UTC-4,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Being in politics for decades warps a person's judgement. Swamp
capture effect. He was an amateur, which is refreshing.

As Trump himself has said, he is a quick study. I think he
mastered the swamp capture effect before he was even in office.

More like swamp captured. The republican party puppets him by
guiding what they expose him to for *his* decisions. They saw it as an
opportunity to get the dumbfuck to do all kinds of stupid republican
party crap and if called on it, they can point at him.

 

[Rick C]

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 4:51:45 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Being in politics for decades warps a person's judgement. Swamp
capture effect. He was an amateur, which is refreshing.

As Trump himself has said, he is a quick study. I think he mastered the swamp capture effect before he was even in office.

--

Rick C.

-++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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[Rick C]

The updated numbers today for the total infections in the US show the curve is starting to trend off the 20-30% growth rate. Monday and Tuesday saw 9% increases, Wednesday saw 21% and Thursday 29% making me think we were right back on track. But the number released for today shows a 9% growth in the new infection rate. The average over the work week has been 15%. Still lousy, but better. Now it takes 5 days for the new infection rate to double rather than 3.

Unfortunately this buys very little in practice. NY is already overloaded and having to share ventilators which is far from optimal. In a week they will need to put four or five patients on a ventilator.

I think if I lived in New York and I got sick, the first thing I would do is to head for a more southern state and check into a hotel. Then if I needed a hospital, at least I'd have a chance at getting a bed I didn't have to share. Richmond would be a good place with decent hospitals and only 6 cases of the disease.

--

Rick C.

+-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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[Bill Sloman]

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 4:41:05 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:

On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 9:47:39 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 11:16:49 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 9:05:27 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 1:47:58 PM UTC+11, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 9:54:19 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 11:37:19 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 2:02:06 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:

snip

I've not seen anybody claim that the China data is false with any kind of supporting evidence.

The general line is that they don't like the data and think the fact that it come from China is an excuse for them to invent their own.

I suspect they will open the country for business and pretend there are no more deaths.

As Trump seems to be planning to do.

snip

LOL! OF COURSE they isn't any supporting data: China arrests anyone who attempts to do that, and kicks news reporters out of the country to be sure they don't get their story heard.

They certainly try to intimidate reporters, and like to control what the outside world gets to hear, but there are ways of getting around that.

A curious thing has happened China: 21 million cell phone subscriptions have disappeared, and a drop in subscriptions has not occurred before, let alone 21 million:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1F_kWYdqUY

https://www.theepochtimes.com/the-closing-of-21-million-cell-phone-accounts-in-china-may-suggest-a-high-ccp-virus-death-toll_3281291.html

Or it might suggest that the CCP has found out that some phones support encryption, and shut them down.

One point in one of the reports was that migrant workers used to have different cell phones for use at at home and when at work. If China is locking down on one cell phone per person (which is used to identify and locate them all the time) it's easy enough to see how a lot of second cell phones might have get retired.

The only thing we know for sure about data from Chinese communists is that it is doctored.

You don't even know that for sure. Doctoring data takes a lot of work on making the associated data consistent with the doctored data, and its rarely worth the effort.

Rabid idiots like you want ignore any Chinese data you don't like and replace with your own bizarre inventions, which isn't helpful.

Well, rabid idiots like YOU want to believe Chinese data w/o qualification.

Not remotely true. I'm as sceptical about them as I am about most other sources.

Lunatic conspiracy theorists like you do get added extra scepticism - if you make a habit of posting fatuous nonsense, everything you post is suspect.

> This sudden disconnection of a massive number of phones is yet another indicator that the Chinese are doing what they do extremely well: LIE.

It might be, but there are other hypotheses - I advanced two - which don't require any undocumented deaths. You don't seem to have the capacity to think about either, which isn't all that surprising since you don't seem to have any capacity to think at all.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 3:39:43 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Fri, 27 Mar 2020 14:33:13 +0000, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 27/03/20 13:27, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 5:50:17 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/03/20 03:33, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
It's hard to trust people who fudged and fibbed, that's John's point.

They've consistently worked hard to minimize and understate. If they've
under-reported infections, that changes the case fatality rates the
world's panicked over.

Sorry, are you talking about China or the Trump administration?

China. They destroyed samples, suppressed the news, and were telling
the world it wasn't contagious when they knew it was.

They certainly weren't perfect. Being afraid to tell truth
to power leads to imperfection.

The Trump administration's been brilliant, ankle-biters notwithstanding.

Being afraid to tell truth to power leads to imperfection.

There is one absolute power in China. Who is going to tell truth to
the Party? Bad things happen to people who try that.

Even worse things happen to people who try to cover up disasters.

Multiparty democracy is messy, but it's hard for the Blues to keep
scandals secret from the Reds.

Of course the US has two-party democracy. It takes proportional representation to get you to multiparty democracy, coalitions governments and enough separate centres of power to stop the two parties colluding against the people they rule.

When one of the parties in a nominally two party democracy has been astro-turfed into an empty shell - the Tea Party Faction - the system can work very badly indeed, as Trump is demonstrating right now.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 12:38:25 AM UTC+11, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 2:54:58 AM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 8:33:59 PM UTC-7, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 3:10:32 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 9:29:08 AM UTC-7, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

2) <quote>Chinese laboratories identified a mystery virus as a highly infectious new pathogen by late December last year, but they were ordered to stop tests, destroy samples and suppress the news...

Yeah, there's a few weeks with only dozens of patients and resistance to
the 'new disease' hypothesis. That didn't last.

I think you missed the part about "were ordered to stop tests, destroy
samples, and suppress the news..."

The China response and their
sharing of information with the rest of the world was prompt and seems
complete. The 'some Wuhan authorities' have been disciplined, for the
health of the nation (of China), and that's probably for the best.

It's hard to trust people who fudged and fibbed, that's John's point.

Meaningless mudslinging. It's in the self-interest of
China to combat a major disease, and fibbing isn't how to do that.

Pandemic means this doesn't stop at the border; not at ANY border.

Why try to paint fear, uncertainty, and doubt onto such an unlikely surface? It doesn't stick.

That's being silly. The communists tried to suppress the reports and
they insisted the virus was not transmissible for weeks after they
knew it was.

The lower level functionaries who tried to suppress information that was going to complicate life for the Wuhan administration were communists - you don't work in that kind of job if you aren't. The idea than you can sweep a problem under the carpet isn't restricted to communists.

That approach didn't last long - loads of dead people and overloaded hospitals make it impractical.

They ejected reporters; they summoned and silenced those
trailblazers who dared discuss it; they withheld critical information
from international medical teams sent in to help.

Early on. Trump's initial responses to the epidemic weren't all that clever either.

Those are all objective facts from public reporting. Weighing those
facts is not "paint[ing] fear," etc., it's common sense.

Selecting "objective" facts and presenting them out of context is simple anti-communist propaganda, and you know it, and are lying when you claim that it is "common sense". It's actually malicious nonsnense, and you spread a lot of that.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 12:27:46 AM UTC+11, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 5:50:17 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 27/03/20 03:33, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
It's hard to trust people who fudged and fibbed, that's John's point.

They've consistently worked hard to minimize and understate. If they've
under-reported infections, that changes the case fatality rates the
world's panicked over.

Sorry, are you talking about China or the Trump administration?

China. They destroyed samples, suppressed the news, and were telling
the world it wasn't contagious when they knew it was.

Briefly, early on. The twits that did it seem likely to be punsiehd for it.

> The Trump administrations been brilliant, ankle-biters notwithstanding.

James Arthur would think that. The US now has more case than China, despite having been warned in advance, and having Italy as an example of what happens if you don't go in for social isolation early on, and South Korea's example demonstrating that fanatical contact tracing and isolation of all possible contacts really does work.

The Trump adminstation is up there with the ayatollahs in Iran as the people who have he done worst job of coping with the epidemic.

Trump has been persistent in praising himself for his performance, but that never stops, and has nothing to do with the quality of his performance.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Saturday, March 28, 2020 at 5:24:49 AM UTC+11, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 1:10:08 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:

N.B. I've given up following Trump's idiocies in detail
since I can't do anything about them and they only affect
me indirectly. I hope.

You're wise to ignore the constant nattering, since most of it's
not even remotely true. Nearly every darn gripe you see printed,
when you check the facts, ain't true.

We've been bombarded with the stuff since before he was elected.

I was fully prepared to dislike the man, but, to my surprise, he's
proved excellent.

He is James Arthur's kind of lying creep. Not a recommendation anybody sane would want to have.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney