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[Ron]

On 31/01/2012 00:30, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article<slrnjie1ll.72u.abuse@news.pr.network>,
Paul Ratcliffe<abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:54:08 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News)
dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

Take fares? When last were you on a bus? ;-)

There are buses in places other than Landun you know. They don't have
Oyster.

Neither do I. But don't pay cash on the bus.

When in Belgium last year, I found that, on the tramways, there was no

place to pay the driver, and no 'conductor'.
Most passengers seem to insert a card into a machine, no one checked
tickets. I asked several folks how do I pay, they just shrugged, so it
seems travel between stops wasn't worth collecting fares for. The whole
system is remarkably cheap.

Ron

 

[Ron]

On 31/01/2012 12:09, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

Ron wrote:

Most passengers seem to insert a card into a machine, no one checked
tickets. I asked several folks how do I pay, they just shrugged, so it
seems travel between stops wasn't worth collecting fares for. The whole
system is remarkably cheap.

If it is anything like the system they just opened in Jerusalem, you can't.

With the Jerusalem system you can buy a ticket on a bus, you can buy a
ticket at the central bus station and you can buy a ticket at most stops
from a vending machine.

Once you are on the train there is no way to buy a ticket. There is a $50
fine if you are caught without one and some of the inspectors have been
fining people who had tickets that were supposed to be, but were not valid
due to an unadvertised change, when the ads all said there wasn't any.

If you go to one of the places they issue cards, you can get one with
your picture on it, which will reduce the price if you are a senior citizen,
student or disabled and you can buy a reduced price multi-trip ticket
or monthly pass which is recorded on the card.

I expect it is the same there too because the company which operates the
rail lines is either the same one or their competition.

Geoff.

There are no ticket vending machines at most stops. There are terminus
stations where you can pay your fair and probably some kind of 'rover'
ticket, but between stations there are just halts.
Belgium and Holland are pretty laid back places.

On the buses you just pay the driver or wave your pass, just like here
in good old Blighty.

Ron

 

[Geoffrey S. Mendelson]

Ron wrote:

Most passengers seem to insert a card into a machine, no one checked
tickets. I asked several folks how do I pay, they just shrugged, so it
seems travel between stops wasn't worth collecting fares for. The whole
system is remarkably cheap.

If it is anything like the system they just opened in Jerusalem, you can't.

With the Jerusalem system you can buy a ticket on a bus, you can buy a
ticket at the central bus station and you can buy a ticket at most stops
from a vending machine.

Once you are on the train there is no way to buy a ticket. There is a $50
fine if you are caught without one and some of the inspectors have been
fining people who had tickets that were supposed to be, but were not valid
due to an unadvertised change, when the ads all said there wasn't any.

If you go to one of the places they issue cards, you can get one with
your picture on it, which will reduce the price if you are a senior citizen,
student or disabled and you can buy a reduced price multi-trip ticket
or monthly pass which is recorded on the card.

I expect it is the same there too because the company which operates the
rail lines is either the same one or their competition.

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM
My high blood pressure medicine reduces my midichlorian count. :-(

 

[David Looser]

"Ron" <ron@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote in message
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On 31/01/2012 10:22, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:02:25 -0000, David Looser wrote:

The story goes that it was Napoleon who imposed driving on the right (or
more accurately in those pre-motor vehicle days passing oncoming traffic
on the right) onto a continent that up until then had mostly still
followed the old Roman rule of passing on the left.

Hum, I wonder of that has anything to do with which hand one would
have ones sword in? Most people are right handed so being on the
right makes it harder to take a swipe at some one passing.


That's the usual explanation for driving on the left in Roman times. Some
say it was Napoleon who decreed driving on the right, some say it was the
Pope.

Which Pope?

Incidentally, I was at a presentation about Barbados the other day, and
was told that it's not possible to hire a car in Barbados due to the
previous amount of traffic accidents involving hire cars. They drive on
the left, and the majority of tourists are American and can't get used to
driving on that side. I myself prefer to drive down the middle

The problem I have in driving in the US is not driving on the right but the
unfamilaiar roadsigns and rules of the road. The very first time I drove in
the US I had just got off a direct flight from London to San Franscisco and
had to drive from there to a small town in Northern California via some
narrow, twisting mountain roads. To add to the fun I was navigating using a
rather poor map, I'd been awake for 24hrs and the light was fading fast. I
was never more glad to arrive unscathed at my destination!

David.

 

[David Looser]

"Jerry" <mapson.scarts@btinternet.INVALID> wrote

The great advantage of radial circuits is that idiots find it a
little more difficult to bridge out the breaker in the panel,
unlike the silly fuse fitted in BS1363 plugs (which for some
silly reason is the same shape and diameter as many screws, bolts
and any other round bar) -

Well the BS1362 fuse certainly isn't the same shape as any screw, since
screws taper to a point, nor is it the shape of any bolt, unless you cut the
head off the bolt. As for round bar, well it would have to be the same
diameter and length, how many people have bits of round bar just exactly the
right size hanging around the house? not many.

For the last 20 years I have PAT tested every mains electrical item
submitted to a charity auction that is held twice a year in the village
where I live. In that time I met a fair few horrors: flexes so damaged that
the bare live wire shows through, a standard lamp (with a brass fitting)
wired up with two-core bell-wire, flexes extended using a bit of choc-block
wrapped in insulating tape, broken plugs, mis-wired plugs, plugs with the
cord-grip either missing or incorrectly used etc. But I've only ever had one
example of a plug with anything other than a BS1362 fuse in it, and that had
a few turns of 5A fuse-wire wrapped round the prongs of the fuse-holder. So
I don't buy this idea that people are putting screws, bolts or bits of metal
rod into plugs in any significant numbers at all. Its *so* much easier to
nick a fuse from another appliance than to start looking for bits of metal
that will fit!

David.

 

[Ron]

On 31/01/2012 15:29, David Looser wrote:

"Jerry"<mapson.scarts@btinternet.INVALID> wrote

The great advantage of radial circuits is that idiots find it a
little more difficult to bridge out the breaker in the panel,
unlike the silly fuse fitted in BS1363 plugs (which for some
silly reason is the same shape and diameter as many screws, bolts
and any other round bar) -

Well the BS1362 fuse certainly isn't the same shape as any screw, since
screws taper to a point, nor is it the shape of any bolt, unless you cut the
head off the bolt. As for round bar, well it would have to be the same
diameter and length, how many people have bits of round bar just exactly the
right size hanging around the house? not many.

For the last 20 years I have PAT tested every mains electrical item
submitted to a charity auction that is held twice a year in the village
where I live. In that time I met a fair few horrors: flexes so damaged that
the bare live wire shows through, a standard lamp (with a brass fitting)
wired up with two-core bell-wire, flexes extended using a bit of choc-block
wrapped in insulating tape, broken plugs, mis-wired plugs, plugs with the
cord-grip either missing or incorrectly used etc. But I've only ever had one
example of a plug with anything other than a BS1362 fuse in it, and that had
a few turns of 5A fuse-wire wrapped round the prongs of the fuse-holder. So
I don't buy this idea that people are putting screws, bolts or bits of metal
rod into plugs in any significant numbers at all. Its *so* much easier to
nick a fuse from another appliance than to start looking for bits of metal
that will fit!

David.


Far more common to find the existing blown fuse wrapped in aluminium foil.

Ron

 

[Mike Tomlinson]

In article <9oqfn7Fd5pU1@mid.individual.net>, David Looser
<david.looser@btinternet.com> writes

Well the BS1362 fuse certainly isn't the same shape as any screw, since
screws taper to a point, nor is it the shape of any bolt, unless you cut the
head off the bolt.

It's just Jerry's fevered imagination running away with him again.

As for round bar, well it would have to be the same
diameter and length, how many people have bits of round bar just exactly the
right size hanging around the house?

Reminds me of the Americans using penny coins to short out the old
porcelain screw-in fuses when those blew.

--
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

 

[David Looser]

"Ron" <ron@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote in message
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On 31/01/2012 15:29, David Looser wrote:
"Jerry"<mapson.scarts@btinternet.INVALID> wrote


Far more common to find the existing blown fuse wrapped in aluminium foil.

Well in some 2000-odd PAT tests I've never met that one, how often have you
come across it?

David.

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <F6ydnR1m56TtSLrSnZ2dnUVZ8o2dnZ2d@bt.com>,
Ron <ron@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote:

On 31/01/2012 00:30, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article<slrnjie1ll.72u.abuse@news.pr.network>,
Paul Ratcliffe<abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:54:08 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News)
dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

Take fares? When last were you on a bus? ;-)

There are buses in places other than Landun you know. They don't have
Oyster.

Neither do I. But don't pay cash on the bus.

When in Belgium last year, I found that, on the tramways, there was no
place to pay the driver, and no 'conductor'.
Most passengers seem to insert a card into a machine, no one checked
tickets. I asked several folks how do I pay, they just shrugged, so it
seems travel between stops wasn't worth collecting fares for. The whole
system is remarkably cheap.

Amsterdam in the '60s had a system where no money changed hands on the
trams. You bought books of tickets in a shop. Can't remember exactly how
evasion was policed.

--
*Ever stop to think and forget to start again?

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

 

[Mortimer]

"Ron" <ron@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote in message
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On 31/01/2012 15:29, David Looser wrote:
"Jerry"<mapson.scarts@btinternet.INVALID> wrote

The great advantage of radial circuits is that idiots find it a
little more difficult to bridge out the breaker in the panel,
unlike the silly fuse fitted in BS1363 plugs (which for some
silly reason is the same shape and diameter as many screws, bolts
and any other round bar) -

Well the BS1362 fuse certainly isn't the same shape as any screw, since
screws taper to a point, nor is it the shape of any bolt, unless you cut
the
head off the bolt. As for round bar, well it would have to be the same
diameter and length, how many people have bits of round bar just exactly
the
right size hanging around the house? not many.

For the last 20 years I have PAT tested every mains electrical item
submitted to a charity auction that is held twice a year in the village
where I live. In that time I met a fair few horrors: flexes so damaged
that
the bare live wire shows through, a standard lamp (with a brass fitting)
wired up with two-core bell-wire, flexes extended using a bit of
choc-block
wrapped in insulating tape, broken plugs, mis-wired plugs, plugs with the
cord-grip either missing or incorrectly used etc. But I've only ever had
one
example of a plug with anything other than a BS1362 fuse in it, and that
had
a few turns of 5A fuse-wire wrapped round the prongs of the fuse-holder.
So
I don't buy this idea that people are putting screws, bolts or bits of
metal
rod into plugs in any significant numbers at all. Its *so* much easier to
nick a fuse from another appliance than to start looking for bits of
metal
that will fit!

The best bit of electrical horror I encountered (and very nearly gave myself
a shock with) was the extension lead on my grandpa's mower: it had a
two-prong plug on the extension lead and a two-prong socket on the mower.
Wrong! That left the live pins exposed. OK, I know I should have unplugged
at the wall before disconnecting the mower from the extension lead to
untangle the cable. To spare his blushes, I quietly rewired it with the
socket on the extension lead and the plug on the mower while he wasn't
looking.

 

[Ron]

On 31/01/2012 15:58, David Looser wrote:

"Ron"<ron@lunevalleyaudio.com> wrote in message
news:WfGdnXnotPmZkbXSnZ2dnUVZ8s6dnZ2d@bt.com...
On 31/01/2012 15:29, David Looser wrote:
"Jerry"<mapson.scarts@btinternet.INVALID> wrote


Far more common to find the existing blown fuse wrapped in aluminium foil.


Well in some 2000-odd PAT tests I've never met that one, how often have you
come across it?

David.


I used to see it a couple or three times a year back when I repaired

group gear, often on HT fuses in valve amplifiers, and back when 20mm
fuses started to become common in equipment, but not common in toolboxes.
It still amazes me that most musicians don't carry spare fuses around
with them.

Ron

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <9oqfn7Fd5pU1@mid.individual.net>,
David Looser <david.looser@btinternet.com> wrote:

For the last 20 years I have PAT tested every mains electrical item
submitted to a charity auction that is held twice a year in the village
where I live. In that time I met a fair few horrors: flexes so damaged
that the bare live wire shows through, a standard lamp (with a brass
fitting) wired up with two-core bell-wire, flexes extended using a bit
of choc-block wrapped in insulating tape, broken plugs, mis-wired
plugs, plugs with the cord-grip either missing or incorrectly used etc.
But I've only ever had one example of a plug with anything other than a
BS1362 fuse in it, and that had a few turns of 5A fuse-wire wrapped
round the prongs of the fuse-holder. So I don't buy this idea that
people are putting screws, bolts or bits of metal rod into plugs in any
significant numbers at all. Its *so* much easier to nick a fuse from
another appliance than to start looking for bits of metal that will fit!

Indeed. As I said, how many homes will have a plug in appliance that draws
more than 13 amps so needs the fuse shorted out?

I'd say it's restricted to things like some welders and compressors -
which a keen DIYer might buy.

--
*Why is the time of day with the slowest traffic called rush hour?

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

 

[recursor]

On 31/01/2012 17:28, J G Miller wrote:

On Tuesday, January 31st, 2012, at 15:42:34h +0000,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Can't remember exactly how evasion was policed.

Roving teams of inspectors who discharged a hollowpoint round into the head of the miscreant.

Fixed your post for the London Met enforcement method.

 

[J G Miller]

On Tuesday, January 31st, 2012, at 15:42:34h +0000,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Can't remember exactly how evasion was policed.

Roving teams of inspectors who issue on the spot citations
to pay a fine.

 

[J G Miller]

On Tuesday, January 31st, 2012, at 11:50:07h +0000, David Looser wrote:

0 - 10: cold

It is not really cold until the temperature is below -10 degrees Celcius.

The important thing to consider though is the presence of any wind,
resulting in a wind chill effect, and the humidity.

Very humid conditions at 0 degrees C or so usually feels far worse
than say -10 degrees C when it is crisp and dry.

 

[John Williamson]

Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 08:02:25 -0000, David Looser wrote:

The story goes that it was Napoleon who imposed driving on the right (or
more accurately in those pre-motor vehicle days passing oncoming traffic
on the right) onto a continent that up until then had mostly still
followed the old Roman rule of passing on the left.

Hum, I wonder of that has anything to do with which hand one would
have ones sword in? Most people are right handed so being on the
right makes it harder to take a swipe at some one passing.

I've read that travelling on the left was started because the Roman

roads were built to move soldiers, and if you want two groups of
soldiers to pass in opposite driections, both carrying their shields on
their left arms as shown in most pictures from the time, then if they
pass right to right, you can make the road at least a foot narrower, as
the shields can overhang the edge of the road, but would collide if the
groups passed left to left.

I've also read that Napoleon wanted to (a) confuse the opposition, and
(b) prove that France was so civilised that travellers didn't need easy
access to their swords to defend themselves from other travellers.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

 

[J G Miller]

On Tuesday, January 31st, 2012, at 17:37:51h +0000, Recursor wrote:

On 31/01/2012 17:28, J G Miller wrote:
On Tuesday, January 31st, 2012, at 15:42:34h +0000, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

Can't remember exactly how evasion was policed.

Roving teams of inspectors who discharged a hollowpoint round into the
head of the miscreant.

Fixed your post for the London Met enforcement method.

Ah yes, well that is what happens if you look a bit sunburnt,
wear a thick jacket with wires coming out of it, and leap over
the ticket barriers. (All details of which were fabricated to
justify murdering the victim.)

You can see the evidence that the Metropolitan Police deliberately
lied and deceived the public at

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU7nL0A6ASM>

Remember that Greater London Mayor Kenneth Livingstone continued to
fully support Ian Blair even after the true facts about the deliberate
deception became public.

 

[recursor]

On 31/01/2012 17:59, J G Miller wrote:

On Tuesday, January 31st, 2012, at 17:37:51h +0000, Recursor wrote:

On 31/01/2012 17:28, J G Miller wrote:
On Tuesday, January 31st, 2012, at 15:42:34h +0000, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

Can't remember exactly how evasion was policed.

Roving teams of inspectors who discharged a hollowpoint round into the
head of the miscreant.

Fixed your post for the London Met enforcement method.

Ah yes, well that is what happens if you look a bit sunburnt,
wear a thick jacket with wires coming out of it, and leap over
the ticket barriers. (All details of which were fabricated to
justify murdering the victim.)

You can see the evidence that the Metropolitan Police deliberately
lied and deceived the public at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU7nL0A6ASM

Remember that Greater London Mayor Kenneth Livingstone continued to
fully support Ian Blair even after the true facts about the deliberate
deception became public.

Yeah, I see Fred the Shred has just lost his knighthood, about time the same

thing happened to Cur Ian Blair.

 

[David Looser]

"John Williamson" <johnwilliamson@oysterbroadcast.co.uk> wrote in message
news:9oqrnkFd7hU1@mid.individual.net...

I've read that travelling on the left was started because the Roman roads
were built to move soldiers, and if you want two groups of soldiers to
pass in opposite driections, both carrying their shields on their left
arms as shown in most pictures from the time, then if they pass right to
right, you can make the road at least a foot narrower, as the shields can
overhang the edge of the road, but would collide if the groups passed left
to left.

To be honest I doubt that. I would imagine that the "pass to the left" rule

was started when Rome was still just a city state and those to whom it
applied were mainly pedestrians within the city of Rome itself. Then it
would have spread with the Empire as there would be no reason to change it.
But, unless a Roman document entitled "reasons for passing to the left" ever
comes to light we'll never know for sure

I've also read that Napoleon wanted to (a) confuse the opposition, and (b)
prove that France was so civilised that travellers didn't need easy access
to their swords to defend themselves from other travellers.

Well again, unless Napoleon left documentary evidence of his reasoning his

reasons will have died with him.

I remember my Dad telling me that traffic in Vienna (but not the rest of
Austria) still drove on the left right up to the Nazi occupation as it was
going to be too expensive to convert the tram system. Adolf, of course,
didn't care about the expense.

David.

 

[J G Miller]

On Tuesday, January 31st, 2012, at 17:59:59h +0000, J G Miller wrote:

On Tuesday, January 31st, 2012, at 17:37:51h +0000, Recursor wrote:

On 31/01/2012 17:28, J G Miller wrote:
On Tuesday, January 31st, 2012, at 15:42:34h +0000, Dave Plowman
(News) wrote:

Can't remember exactly how evasion was policed.

Roving teams of inspectors who discharged a hollowpoint round into the
head of the miscreant.

Fixed your post for the London Met enforcement method.

Incidentally it should be pointed out that there is growing list
of evidence that the shooting was not in fact carried out by
Metropolitan Police officers but was actually a military action
by the Special Reconnaissance Regiment.

<http://web.archive.ORG/web/20051204000850/http://www.sundayherald.com/51372>

It is alleged that the Metropolitan Police took the heat as having done
the actual shooting because the FauX LaboUr administration did not want
the public to know about the new role of the Special Reconnaissance Regiment
in anti-terrorist activity.