Apple have stolen my ipad. Yes, this story now has an ending

[Rod Speed]

"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:260420162211274723%nospam@nospam.invalid...

In article <doa3bjFksn8U1@mid.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:


try calling your bank and telling them that you forgot your password
and have no idea what the security questions are. see how well that
works out.

That would work out great! I would have a new 'password' [1] in a
couple of days.

not when you can't access the email you used with the bank, you won't.

Wrong, as always. Someone I know got into that situation
with their phone banking and all they had to do was provide
some evidence that it was their phone banking account and
the bank was happy to reset their password.

All that took was to spell out the detail of some
things that had been done on that account recently.

apple has proper password recovery procedures in place and
they require being able to access the email used to set up the
apple id. otherwise, anyone could call in and reset it.

There you go, lying thru your fucking teeth, as always.

Apple could always use their own records to see that
Don had always been the one using that ipad and that
it was still Don using that ipad and that it wasn't stolen.

 

[Rod Speed]

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote

Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A> wrote
Jolly Roger wrote

Blaming others for your shortcomings won't get you very far in life.
That's a cold, hard fact of life.

Won't get far in life, yes you are quite correct Rolly Dodger.

I started my first electronics business 1n 1964, aged 21

I retired from my last electronics business 3 years ago, aged 70.

There was a lot of shit in between, but I'll ignore that.

I have 3 great grand children.

Please tell me, what have you done with your life?

wtf does any of that have to do with not remembering a password?

Everything to do with whether he would get very far in life, fuckwit.

 

[Rod Speed]

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

he's actually quite lucky they cleared it.

No luck involved, that's the law here, and even Apple realises that.

there's no such law regarding forgetting passwords.

You're flaunting your complete pig ignorance of Australian law, as always.
https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-rights-guarantees/consumer-guarantees

In this case Apple provided a service, an update to iOS.

When that was so fucked that it required the use of the Apple ID
that had originally been used to setup that ipad, even when that
Apple ID had not been used again since then, under Australian
law Apple gets to reset the password so the ipad can continue
to be used like it was before the update.

 

[Rod Speed]

"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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In article <slrnni0d7u.ktn.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:


for the people that want to keep changing the facts on my receipts, to
suit
their own version of the story:

You forgot your password, you were a moron and got locked out by trying
passwords over and over, and you blamed someone else for your stupidity.
Then you submitted a receipt to Apple that did not have a serial number
on it, meaning it could have been for literally ANY iPad. You were asked
to submit a receipt from the company that sold you the iPad showing
THEIR purchase with the serial number. Once you did this, Apple removed
the activation lock on your device.

You are mad at Apple because you feel dumb for forgetting the password
and because they forced you to prove you were the legitimate owner of
the device. Of course, had someone STOLEN your iPad and gotten it
unlocked without proving it was there, you would also pitched a fit.

THOSE are the facts.

that's an accurate summary.

Nope, a complete pack of lies on the invoices alone.

 

[3899jk]

"Lewis" <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote in message
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In message <57200db8$0$4557$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com
F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote:
Don McKenzie wrote:

for the people that want to keep changing the facts on my receipts, to
suit their own version of the story:

http://www.dontronics.com/apple.htm

Cheers Don...


Glad it is working, it was a forgone conclusion that Apple would have to
fix it,

Not at all. No where on the planet is there a law that compels Apple to
unlock a device without proof of ownership.

Wrong.
https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-rights-guarantees/consumer-guarantees

Says absolutely NOTHING about proof of ownership.

 

[Don McKenzie]

On 27/04/2016 12:11 PM, nospam wrote:

In article <doa65gFlj48U1@mid.individual.net>, Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A
wrote:

Blaming others
for your shortcomings won't get you very far in life. That's a cold, hard
fact of life.

Won't get far in life, yes you are quite correct Rolly Dodger.

I started my first electronics business 1n 1964, aged 21

I retired from my last electronics business 3 years ago, aged 70.

There was a lot of shit in between, but I'll ignore that.

I have 3 great grand children.

Please tell me, what have you done with your life?

wtf does any of that have to do with not remembering a password?

if bill gates forgets his password, he's going to be locked out, just
as you were.

Great answer. He didn't get very far in life either.

Thank you for your words of wisdom.

Cheers Don...


--
Don McKenzie

http://www.dontronics-shop.com

All Olimex products now 75% to 95% off normal Olimex Prices.
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/olimex-ltd.html
Many other items discounted up to 95% off.
Also discounts on Sparkfun, CCS, SimmStick, etc.

 

[F Murtz]

3899jk wrote:

"Lewis" <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote in message
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In message <57200db8$0$4557$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com
F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote:
Don McKenzie wrote:

for the people that want to keep changing the facts on my receipts, to
suit their own version of the story:

http://www.dontronics.com/apple.htm

Cheers Don...


Glad it is working, it was a forgone conclusion that Apple would have to
fix it,

Not at all. No where on the planet is there a law that compels Apple to
unlock a device without proof of ownership.

Wrong.
https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-rights-guarantees/consumer-guarantees


Says absolutely NOTHING about proof of ownership.


And even if it did , he had so many different proofs of ownership

 

[Frank Slootweg]

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

In article <doa3bjFksn8U1@mid.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:


try calling your bank and telling them that you forgot your password
and have no idea what the security questions are. see how well that
works out.

That would work out great! I would have a new 'password' [1] in a
couple of days.

not when you can't access the email you used with the bank, you won't.

Nope, that wouldn't be a problem!

Clue-by-four: Don't even *dream* about going there! You know zilch
about AU/EU/NL law and this is just yet another area you know zilch
about.

That would be because - other than you clowns/jerks can apparently
imagine/accept - *they* [2] - of course - have proper procedures in
place for such a common and to be expected event.

calling people clowns and jerks shows just how weak your position
actually is

Sure, sure!

apple has proper password recovery procedures in place and they require
being able to access the email used to set up the apple id. otherwise,
anyone could call in and reset it.

Yes, apparently, because they're too stupid to think of alternatives
(in case their standard procedure doesn't work). QED.

 

[Frank Slootweg]

F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote:

3899jk wrote:

"Lewis" <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote in message
news:slrnni0dai.ktn.g.kreme@amelia.local...
In message <57200db8$0$4557$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com
F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote:
Don McKenzie wrote:

for the people that want to keep changing the facts on my receipts, to
suit their own version of the story:

http://www.dontronics.com/apple.htm

Cheers Don...


Glad it is working, it was a forgone conclusion that Apple would have to
fix it,

Not at all. No where on the planet is there a law that compels Apple to
unlock a device without proof of ownership.

Wrong.
https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-rights-guarantees/consumer-guarantees

Says absolutely NOTHING about proof of ownership.

And even if it did , he had so many different proofs of ownership

More to the point, as has been said a zillion times:

1. You don't have to have a receipt.

2. (Hence) You do not have to present a receipt.

3. You can't be asked to provide proof of ownership, unless the entity
which is asking can and does provide information which justifies
their suspicion that the item might be stolen.

4. There are no requirements for what must be on a receipt (other than
item, price and date).

5. The killer: The request to unlock was *not* for the device, but for
the *Apple ID*. The Apple ID had Don's company name in it, so there
was no doubt that the ID was his.

 

[Don McKenzie]

On 27/04/2016 2:06 PM, Rod Speed wrote:

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A> wrote
Jolly Roger wrote

Blaming others for your shortcomings won't get you very far in life. That's a cold, hard fact of life.

Won't get far in life, yes you are quite correct Rolly Dodger.

I started my first electronics business 1n 1964, aged 21

I retired from my last electronics business 3 years ago, aged 70.

There was a lot of shit in between, but I'll ignore that.

I have 3 great grand children.

Please tell me, what have you done with your life?

wtf does any of that have to do with not remembering a password?

Everything to do with whether he would get very far in life, fuckwit.

Nospam, you accused me of not getting very far in life. What this has to do with remembering passwords I have no idea,
but it is your accusation, not mine. I give you a very quick rundown on my current life position, and I ask you to do
the same seeing you made this personal accusation against me in the first place, and you completely bomb out.

Suggest if you spent more time trying to help others, and making a life for yourself, instead of acting like a fool on
these forums, the world would be a much better place.

How come you spend so much time on these forums? Don't you have a job?

Me, I'm retired. I have plenty of time to spend here.

BTW
Read: http://www.dontronics.com/apple.htm
that will give you a lot more stones to throw at me. Yes twist the truth as much as you need to suit your own version of
the story. It doesn't matter when you are hiding your identity.


Cheers Don...




--
Don McKenzie

http://www.dontronics-shop.com

All Olimex products now 75% to 95% off normal Olimex Prices.
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/olimex-ltd.html
Many other items discounted up to 95% off.
Also discounts on Sparkfun, CCS, SimmStick, etc.

 

[Lewis]

In message <doasl3FqgdgU1@mid.individual.net>
3899jk <3899jk@gmail.com> wrote:

"Lewis" <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote in message
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In message <57200db8$0$4557$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com
F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote:
Don McKenzie wrote:

for the people that want to keep changing the facts on my receipts, to
suit their own version of the story:

http://www.dontronics.com/apple.htm

Cheers Don...


Glad it is working, it was a forgone conclusion that Apple would have to
fix it,

Not at all. No where on the planet is there a law that compels Apple to
unlock a device without proof of ownership.

Wrong.
https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-rights-guarantees/consumer-guarantees

Where does it say Apple has to unlock a device that someone has
forgotten their password for?

Oh right, NO WHERE.

Neither "password" nor "unlock" appears anywhere on that page.

> Says absolutely NOTHING about proof of ownership.

Says absolutely nothing about unlocking or bypassing passwords.

--
And I'm nor insane, my mother had me tested.

 

[Lewis]

In message <5720bc00$0$4532$c3e8da3$b280bf18@news.astraweb.com>
F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote:

"Lewis" <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote in message
news:slrnni0dai.ktn.g.kreme@amelia.local...

Not at all. No where on the planet is there a law that compels Apple to
unlock a device without proof of ownership.

And even if it did , he had so many different proofs of ownership

He submitted exactly *one* item that proved ownership. And that was
accepted once he provided it.

--
SUSURRATION: It's a hushed noise. But it hints of plots and secrets and
people turning to one another in surprise. It's the noise, in fact, made
just after the sword is withdrawn from the stone and just before the
cheering starts.

 

[Jolly Roger]

On 2016-04-27, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

In message <doabk8Fmr25U1@mid.individual.net
Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A> wrote:

for the people that want to keep changing the facts on my receipts, to suit their own version of the story:

You forgot your password, you were a moron and got locked out by trying
passwords over and over, and you blamed someone else for your stupidity.
Then you submitted a receipt to Apple that did not have a serial number
on it, meaning it could have been for literally ANY iPad. You were asked
to submit a receipt from the company that sold you the iPad showing
THEIR purchase with the serial number. Once you did this, Apple removed
the activation lock on your device.

You are mad at Apple because you feel dumb for forgetting the password
and because they forced you to prove you were the legitimate owner of
the device. Of course, had someone STOLEN your iPad and gotten it
unlocked without proving it was there, you would also pitched a fit.

THOSE are the facts.

Yep.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

 

[nospam]

In article <doasl3FqgdgU1@mid.individual.net>, 3899jk
<3899jk@gmail.com> wrote:

Glad it is working, it was a forgone conclusion that Apple would have to
fix it,

Not at all. No where on the planet is there a law that compels Apple to
unlock a device without proof of ownership.

Wrong.

https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-rights-guarantees/consumer-guarante
es

Says absolutely NOTHING about proof of ownership.

if you think *any* company will unlock a device or provide service for
some rando who walks in without proof of ownership, then you're in for
some serious surprises, no matter what country it is.

 

[nospam]

In article <dobv2sF17n3U1@mid.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

3. You can't be asked to provide proof of ownership, unless the entity
which is asking can and does provide information which justifies
their suspicion that the item might be stolen.

apple's suspicion was fully justified.

4. There are no requirements for what must be on a receipt (other than
item, price and date).

a serial number is required, otherwise it doesn't prove anything at all.

5. The killer: The request to unlock was *not* for the device, but for
the *Apple ID*.

the device is tied to the apple id. without the apple id password, the
device is locked.

The Apple ID had Don's company name in it, so there
was no doubt that the ID was his.

it could easily have been compromised.

 

[nospam]

In article <doc1noF1pnfU1@mid.individual.net>, Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A>
wrote:

Blaming others for your shortcomings won't get you very far in life.
That's a cold, hard fact of life.

Won't get far in life, yes you are quite correct Rolly Dodger.

I started my first electronics business 1n 1964, aged 21

I retired from my last electronics business 3 years ago, aged 70.

There was a lot of shit in between, but I'll ignore that.

I have 3 great grand children.

Please tell me, what have you done with your life?

wtf does any of that have to do with not remembering a password?

Everything to do with whether he would get very far in life, fuckwit.

Nospam, you accused me of not getting very far in life.

i did no such thing.

starting off with a lie is not going to help your cause.

What this has to do
with remembering passwords I have no idea,

you tell me. you brought up your life story.

what the hell does starting your electronics business in 1964 have to
do with forgetting your password in 2016?

not a thing.

all it means is you're 73 years old and likely has early onset
dementia, which explains your inability to remember stuff.

but it is your accusation, not mine. I give you a very quick rundown on my
current life position, and I ask you to do
the same seeing you made this personal accusation against me in the first
place, and you completely bomb out.

Suggest if you spent more time trying to help others, and making a life for
yourself, instead of acting like a fool on
these forums, the world would be a much better place.

if you spent more time taking responsibility for your own actions and
not trying to scam others, the world will be a better place.

How come you spend so much time on these forums? Don't you have a job?

Me, I'm retired. I have plenty of time to spend here.

more likely it's because you're unemployable due to your shit memory.

BTW
Read: http://www.dontronics.com/apple.htm
that will give you a lot more stones to throw at me. Yes twist the truth as
much as you need to suit your own version of
the story. It doesn't matter when you are hiding your identity.

i'm going by what *you* wrote.

 

[nospam]

In article <doarpqFqadmU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

try calling your bank and telling them that you forgot your password
and have no idea what the security questions are. see how well that
works out.

That would work out great! I would have a new 'password' [1] in a
couple of days.

not when you can't access the email you used with the bank, you won't.

Wrong, as always. Someone I know got into that situation
with their phone banking and all they had to do was provide
some evidence that it was their phone banking account and
the bank was happy to reset their password.

All that took was to spell out the detail of some
things that had been done on that account recently.

just like don had to provide evidence that it's his ipad.

 

[Rod Speed]

"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:270420161802437377%nospam@nospam.invalid...

In article <doasl3FqgdgU1@mid.individual.net>, 3899jk
3899jk@gmail.com> wrote:


Glad it is working, it was a forgone conclusion that Apple would have
to
fix it,

Not at all. No where on the planet is there a law that compels Apple to
unlock a device without proof of ownership.

Wrong.

https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-rights-guarantees/consumer-guarantees

Says absolutely NOTHING about proof of ownership.

if you think *any* company will unlock a device or provide service
for some rando who walks in without proof of ownership,

HE HAD THE PROOF OF OWNERSHIP, FUCKWIT.

> then you're in for some serious surprises, no matter what country it is.

 

[Rod Speed]

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote

3. You can't be asked to provide proof of ownership, unless
the entity which is asking can and does provide information
which justifies their suspicion that the item might be stolen.

apple's suspicion was fully justified.

And it was always completely trivial for Apple to check whether their
suspicions had any basis what so ever and discover that they didn't.

4. There are no requirements for what must be on
a receipt (other than item, price and date).

a serial number is required,

Legally, it isnt.

> otherwise it doesn't prove anything at all.

Another bare faced pig ignorant lie. When Apple has that receipt
which has no serial number, and the ip that was used to initialise
that ipad, and that is still the ip being used today, that proves
that the ipad has always been don's and still is don's, fuckwit.

And the FACT that the @me.com address contains don's company
name proves that that ipad, whose serial number Apple can see
from the time when it was initialised, was Don's all along, fuckwit.

5. The killer: The request to unlock was *not* for the device, but for
the *Apple ID*.

the device is tied to the apple id. without the
apple id password, the device is locked.

Wrong again when that bug was fixed.

The Apple ID had Don's company name in it,
so there was no doubt that the ID was his.

it could easily have been compromised.

There would be no point in doing that when the
ipad was first initialised, you pig ignorant clown.

 

[Rod Speed]

"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:270420161802457496%nospam@nospam.invalid...

In article <doc1noF1pnfU1@mid.individual.net>, Don McKenzie <5V@2.5A
wrote:

Blaming others for your shortcomings won't get you very far in life.
That's a cold, hard fact of life.

Won't get far in life, yes you are quite correct Rolly Dodger.

I started my first electronics business 1n 1964, aged 21

I retired from my last electronics business 3 years ago, aged 70.

There was a lot of shit in between, but I'll ignore that.

I have 3 great grand children.

Please tell me, what have you done with your life?

wtf does any of that have to do with not remembering a password?

Everything to do with whether he would get very far in life, fuckwit.

Nospam, you accused me of not getting very far in life.

i did no such thing.

starting off with a lie is not going to help your cause.

What this has to do
with remembering passwords I have no idea,

you tell me. you brought up your life story.

what the hell does starting your electronics business in 1964 have to
do with forgetting your password in 2016?

not a thing.

all it means is you're 73 years old and likely has early onset
dementia, which explains your inability to remember stuff.

but it is your accusation, not mine. I give you a very quick rundown on
my
current life position, and I ask you to do
the same seeing you made this personal accusation against me in the first
place, and you completely bomb out.

Suggest if you spent more time trying to help others, and making a life
for
yourself, instead of acting like a fool on
these forums, the world would be a much better place.

if you spent more time taking responsibility for your own actions and
not trying to scam others,

No one is trying to scam anyone, you pathological liar.

the world will be a better place.

How come you spend so much time on these forums? Don't you have a job?

Me, I'm retired. I have plenty of time to spend here.

more likely it's because you're unemployable due to your shit memory.

BTW
Read: http://www.dontronics.com/apple.htm
that will give you a lot more stones to throw at me. Yes twist the truth
as
much as you need to suit your own version of
the story. It doesn't matter when you are hiding your identity.

i'm going by what *you* wrote.

Lying thru your fucking teeth, as always.