Adding missing SATA connectors to motherboard

[larry moe 'n curly]

kony wrote:

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:58:42 -0800 (PST), "larry moe 'n
curly" <larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote:

Archimedes' Lever wrote:

you could SIMPLY go BUY another, proper motherboard.

That would entail a 500' walk to Fry's Electronics.

Uphill both ways!

I live in Phoenix. What do you mean by "hill"?

I don't see any problem except possibly an active termination voltage
regulator, but because differential signals are involved, I assume
that only ordinary resistors are used.

The resistors you could probably just measure, since they're
present for the other two ports. "IF" all other elements of
doing this were in place, at most the bios would have the
feature hidden but still present logically if the capability
were otherwise present.

Are nVidia 430 and 410 pin-compatible, at least enough that
ECS did what they do best, economized by using the same PCB
layout for either possibility? That seems to be the
problem, use of 410 chipset which only supports 2 SATA ports
instead of 430 chipset which supports 4. Unless nVidia is
pulling a fast one and 410 is just a whole 430 chip
rebranded that manufacturers have agreed not to implement
all 4 SATA ports on, it seems having the 410 is the
show-stopper.

This mobo has an nVidia 405 chipset.
You've made the case for me to give up on this project.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:00:23 -0500, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:

He's obviously never done this kind of thing so the hours
are needed to assemble the tools and practice.

You're obviously an idiot.

It wouldn't
be especially hard to solder given practice with similar
work,

Multi-layer boards *are* difficult to work with. Try removing through
hole devices on an 0.092" thick PCB. I can certainly do simple SMD work.
I have both laid down more fresh lead as well as reworked more assemblies
than you probably ever will. I was working on electronic assemblies back
in the seventies. You know... before you were even born, punk.

I know more about soldering and connections between metals than you
ever will.

would be harder to find an incompatible SATA header
than an compatible one, and indeed is a 20 minute job if the
board's not already in a fully assembled system.

Now this 'kony' retard is talking about rework and post fit operations
in an *installed system*, and he claims that *I* don't have any
experience.

Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:25:28 -0800 (PST), "larry moe 'n curly"
<larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote:

I live in Phoenix. What do you mean by "hill"?

The slight incline that the flood rushes down toward you on.

 

On Jan 11, 10:52 am, Archimedes' Lever
<OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:

Multi-layer boards *are* difficult to work with. Try removing through
hole devices on an 0.092" thick PCB.

I let my technicians do that work for me.

I can certainly do simple SMD work.

My technicians can do very complicated SMD work.

I have both laid down more fresh lead as well as reworked more assemblies
than you probably ever will. I was working on electronic assemblies back
in the seventies. You know... before you were even born, punk.

Sounds like you were an assembler before being a technician?

I know more about soldering and connections between metals than you
ever will.

I let my technicians worry about good solder joints.

would be harder to find an incompatible SATA header
than an compatible one, and indeed is a 20 minute job if the
board's not already in a fully assembled system.

Now this 'kony' retard is talking about rework and post fit operations
in an *installed system*, and he claims that *I* don't have any
experience.

I think you have lots of technician level experience, based upon your
comments here. In our company a technician with an attitudde like
your would not last very long though. Only the very best engineers
can have an attitude, in my experience.

Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

pretty cocky for being a technician.

 

[Meat Plow]

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:52:33 -0800, Archimedes' Lever
<OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org>wrote:

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 12:20:56 -0500, Meat Plow <meat@petitmorte.net
wrote:

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:06:09 -0800, Archimedes' Lever
OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org>wrote:

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 06:57:06 -0800 (PST), "larry moe 'n curly"
larrymoencurly@my-deja.com> wrote:

I have some motherboards designed for 4-6 SATA ports, but only 2 SATA
connectors were installed, and I'd like to add the missing connectors
plus any needed termination resistors.
Here's an example with an ECS GeForce 6100SM-M v. 1.0 motherboard:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3397/3184157863_64b349938d_o.jpg

What are the values of the missing resistors? I thought that each
pair of SATA data lines needed one 100 ohm resistor between them, but
on this circuit board the resistors seem to be arranged differently.


There is usually a bit more to it than simply attaching the SATA
connectors. The BIOS ALSO has to support it, and since THAT MOBO did NOT
have those ports, you will not be able to find a BIOS for that MOBO that
will have those ports in it. SO even with the right parts, the BIOS on
the model MOBO does not support your "need".

After all the hours you would spend, you could SIMPLY go BUY another,
proper motherboard. That is, unless your personal time is only worth
minimum wage. In that case, you will likely fail for other reasons.

My personal time is worth a couple hundred bucks an hour, so if I can
buy it cheaper than spending hours upon hours trying to fudge the fucking
thing to existence, I'll be spending the cash, and keeping my personal
time for better hobby tasks.

This is an exercise in futility, not to mention a big waste of time,
even if all you needed to install was the connector. Just sourcing the
right part alone might be difficult, since they do NOT all match.

If the OP is LUCKY he can research this and maybe find another who has
successfully done this. But I doubt this will be the case. I've
modified a SATA mobo to have RAID ports where non existed in the stock
BIOS by flashing a BIOS with RAID support. However the hardware was
already on the board.


Oh yeah sure, PlowTard. You've just done fucking everything.

Making shit up as you go along makes you even more transparent than you
already were.

I've made nothing up fuckhead. This was done with an Intel 865G mobo
and the onboard Promise controller.

Google it and then become my servile bitch.

 

[Meat Plow]

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 10:09:52 -0800 (PST), "larry moe 'n curly"
<larrymoencurly@my-deja.com>wrote:

Archimedes' Lever wrote:

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 12:20:56 -0500, Meat Plow <meat@petitmorte.net
wrote:

After all the hours you would spend, you could SIMPLY go BUY another,
proper motherboard. That is, unless your personal time is only worth
minimum wage. In that case, you will likely fail for other reasons.

My personal time is worth a couple hundred bucks an hour, so if I can
buy it cheaper than spending hours upon hours trying to fudge the fucking
thing to existence, I'll be spending the cash, and keeping my personal
time for better hobby tasks.

If the OP is LUCKY he can research this and maybe find another who has
successfully done this. But I doubt this will be the case. I've
modified a SATA mobo to have RAID ports where non existed in the stock
BIOS by flashing a BIOS with RAID support. However the hardware was
already on the board.

Oh yeah sure, PlowTard. You've just done fucking everything.

Making shit up as you go along makes you even more transparent than you
already were.

For some reason, I no longer believe that your time is worth a couple
hundred $$$ an hour.

People who make that kind of money don't brag about it on Usenet. I
believe he meant a couple hundred $$$ a month.

 

[Eeyore]

Archimedes' Lever wrote:

I know more about soldering and connections between metals than you
ever will.

Jolly Good for you. I doubt you know much else.

Graham

 

[Jamie]

Eeyore wrote:

Archimedes' Lever wrote:


I know more about soldering and connections between metals than you
ever will.


Jolly Good for you. I doubt you know much else.

Graham

You're opening your self up for a big one Graham, get prepared

for the aftermath.



http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5"

 

[kony]

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 07:52:24 -0800, Archimedes' Lever
<OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:00:23 -0500, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:


He's obviously never done this kind of thing so the hours
are needed to assemble the tools and practice.

You're obviously an idiot.

The person who can do something is the idiot instead of the
one who can't. Keep on telling yourself that if it makes
you happy.

It wouldn't
be especially hard to solder given practice with similar
work,

Multi-layer boards *are* difficult to work with.

No they aren't more difficult when the part is as this is,
soldered into plated holes. Exact same procedure. For
that matter, just about anything with solder exposed is no
different on multi-layer boards, though when something is
connected to a power or ground plane it does take a lot more
heat.

I was actually being conservative with the prior mention of
it being a 20 minute job. It's a 4 minute job, maybe 10 if
the solder sucker didn't get enough out of the holes on the
first try.

Try removing through
hole devices on an 0.092" thick PCB.

It's not a problem, though it's not a 0.092" PCB either.

I can certainly do simple SMD work.
I have both laid down more fresh lead as well as reworked more assemblies
than you probably ever will. I was working on electronic assemblies back
in the seventies. You know... before you were even born, punk.

It's questionable whether your ability at SMD work is as
great as your ego if adding a mere SATA port seems
difficult.

I know more about soldering and connections between metals than you
ever will.

Then at some point you stopped learning.

would be harder to find an incompatible SATA header
than an compatible one, and indeed is a 20 minute job if the
board's not already in a fully assembled system.

Now this 'kony' retard is talking about rework and post fit operations
in an *installed system*, and he claims that *I* don't have any
experience.

Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Maybe you're just an idiot then, if you've been trying for
so long and still can't do something simple.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 01:57:20 -0500, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 00:06:31 -0500, kony <spam@spam.com
wrote:

Here's an example with an ECS GeForce 6100SM-M v. 1.0 motherboard:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3397/3184157863_64b349938d_o.jpg


snip

I don't have an nForce /4xx series board available to check
it, but checking an old A7N8X board that uses a Silicon
Image SATA controller, it has the SATA data pins coupled
directly to the chip inputs with a 2200pF ceramic chip
capacitor in series.

The picture linked above is a little high in contrast so
it's hard to tell but might those empty spots be
corresponding to capacitors on the adjacent used SATA spots?
Further, if you can trace these data lines to the chipset,
are there unused surface mount pads adjacent to it?


I must be blind, upon looking at the picture again obviously
what I was thinking of is supposed to be capacitors as
marked with the C(nnn) silkscreening but now I wonder if you
were looking at the resistor, R(nn) silkscreened positions
above the SATA port in the pictures. They don't seem to be
for SATA?

Ever thought about tracing the local circuitry with a DVM? D'OH!

Especially useful at the unpopulated areas for schematesizing the work
in progress. Pretty much leaves out all doubt.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 08:15:53 -0800 (PST), bulegoge@columbus.rr.com wrote:

On Jan 11, 10:52 am, Archimedes' Lever
OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:

Multi-layer boards *are* difficult to work with. Try removing through
hole devices on an 0.092" thick PCB.

I let my technicians do that work for me.

I smack holier than thou retards like you around.

I can certainly do simple SMD work.

My technicians can do very complicated SMD work.

Yeah... you got a whole gang of 'em. Right.

I have both laid down more fresh lead as well as reworked more assemblies
than you probably ever will. I was working on electronic assemblies back
in the seventies. You know... before you were even born, punk.

Sounds like you were an assembler before being a technician?

You're an idiot. I'm an engineer, and I also assembled, and still do
in large system integrations. I also worked as a technician. I also
worked as an engineering technician.

I know more about soldering and connections between metals than you
ever will.


I let my technicians worry about good solder joints.

I'd bet that all your technicians know very little about soldering
science.

would be harder to find an incompatible SATA header
than an compatible one, and indeed is a 20 minute job if the
board's not already in a fully assembled system.

Now this 'kony' retard is talking about rework and post fit operations
in an *installed system*, and he claims that *I* don't have any
experience.


I think you have lots of technician level experience,

I think that you are a retarded pussy that jacks off at the mouth a lot
in Usenet, but would cower irl.

based upon your
comments here.

That is one of your problems. You should give the same credence as one
would during a face to face meeting, not use some other lame standard
because you are in Usenet. You making assessments "based on" a single
post tells a lot about how little you must know.

In our company a technician with an attitudde like
your would not last very long though.

Like I said, fucktard... I smack retarded little asswipes like you
around. I know EXACTLY what stupid shitheads like you are about.

Only the very best engineers
can have an attitude, in my experience.

Well... Fuck off! How's that, dumbass?

Bwuahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

pretty cocky for being a technician.

You're pretty stupid for claiming to have a mental age that matches
your numerical age.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:16:49 +0000, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Archimedes' Lever wrote:

I know more about soldering and connections between metals than you
ever will.

Jolly Good for you. I doubt you know much else.

Graham

It's OK, Retarded Donkey... no one will jump on you any more, now that
we all know that it really is senility.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:00:08 -0500, Jamie
<jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:

Eeyore wrote:


Archimedes' Lever wrote:


I know more about soldering and connections between metals than you
ever will.


Jolly Good for you. I doubt you know much else.

Graham

You're opening your self up for a big one Graham, get prepared
for the aftermath.


You're both spewing more shit into the group than I ever have.

Donkey ass, with his less-than-peanut-gallery commentary, and you, with
your retarded link-to-self on each post. You're a joke.

You're both pretty fucking pathetic.

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:28:38 -0500, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:

No they aren't more difficult when the part is as this is,
soldered into plated holes. Exact same procedure. For
that matter, just about anything with solder exposed is no
different on multi-layer boards, though when something is
connected to a power or ground plane it does take a lot more
heat.

I was actually being conservative with the prior mention of
it being a 20 minute job. It's a 4 minute job, maybe 10 if
the solder sucker didn't get enough out of the holes on the
first try.

I'll bet you have damaged more boards than you will even ever know. You

are too goddamned stupid to even grasp the tasks you are performing or
the results of 'your version' of those tasks.

I know, for a fact, that you have damaged the plating on several
boards, if your only method is the use of a solder sucker.

 

[Jamie]

Archimedes' Lever wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:00:08 -0500, Jamie
jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:


Eeyore wrote:


Archimedes' Lever wrote:



I know more about soldering and connections between metals than you
ever will.


Jolly Good for you. I doubt you know much else.

Graham


You're opening your self up for a big one Graham, get prepared
for the aftermath.



You're both spewing more shit into the group than I ever have.

Donkey ass, with his less-than-peanut-gallery commentary, and you, with
your retarded link-to-self on each post. You're a joke.

You're both pretty fucking pathetic.

Thank you.

Your comments are duly noted and dropped into the suggestion box.

Have a horrible day, and may it rain on your parade.
-

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:28:38 -0500, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:

It's questionable whether your ability at SMD work is as
great as your ego if adding a mere SATA port seems
difficult.

I think that your lack of grasp of what adding such a port entails
proves it to be more difficult than *you* originally perceived. The fact
that you were too stupid to know that it was more than simply adding the
connector header is quite a tell. Otherwise, you would not have been in
here looking for assistance.

Any kid with half a brain would know how to match a neighboring port's
populated parts, AFTER detailing the circuit runs with a meter.

Hell, even someone that had never seen it could get the spec online and
have a retard like you beat inside an hour, and could likely fill out 20
boards inside of a day, and no that is not your ram it, cram it, and jam
it method. That is cleaned, inspected, and run ready.

So what were you having trouble with that you needed help here? You're
a pussy. Jump in there! How many MOBOs did you say you had? Get going
on one. Jeez!

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:28:38 -0500, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:

Maybe you're just an idiot then, if you've been trying for
so long and still can't do something simple.

No, YOU are trying. I have succeeded. Hell, I have SATA hot swappable
peripheral drives that were easier to implement than the hell you are
putting yourself through. By the time you are done, you could put an NAS
box on the net, and all your MOBOs suddenly no longer need your stupid
retro-fit.

I sure hope you are not drawing a salary for sitting there with your
thumb up your ass wondering about buying parts to add an SATA port to a
MOBO.

My god, how retarded can your employer be?!!! I have farts floating
around the room with more brains than you have.

 

[Jamie]

Archimedes' Lever wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:28:38 -0500, kony <spam@spam.com> wrote:


Maybe you're just an idiot then, if you've been trying for
so long and still can't do something simple.



No, YOU are trying. I have succeeded. Hell, I have SATA hot swappable
peripheral drives that were easier to implement than the hell you are
putting yourself through. By the time you are done, you could put an NAS
box on the net, and all your MOBOs suddenly no longer need your stupid
retro-fit.

I sure hope you are not drawing a salary for sitting there with your
thumb up your ass wondering about buying parts to add an SATA port to a
MOBO.

My god, how retarded can your employer be?!!! I have farts floating
around the room with more brains than you have.

Does that mean you have shit for brains ?

 

[Jamie]

bulegoge@columbus.rr.com wrote:

On Jan 12, 9:05 pm, Jamie
jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1l...@charter.net> wrote:

Archimedes' Lever wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:28:38 -0500, kony <s...@spam.com> wrote:

Maybe you're just an idiot then, if you've been trying for
so long and still can't do something simple.

No, YOU are trying. I have succeeded. Hell, I have SATA hot swappable
peripheral drives that were easier to implement than the hell you are
putting yourself through. By the time you are done, you could put an NAS
box on the net, and all your MOBOs suddenly no longer need your stupid
retro-fit.

I sure hope you are not drawing a salary for sitting there with your
thumb up your ass wondering about buying parts to add an SATA port to a
MOBO.

My god, how retarded can your employer be?!!! I have farts floating
around the room with more brains than you have.

Does that mean you have shit for brains ?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


You are playing the game on his field. Be more subtle in your
insults. He can't compete with you then.

Duly noted!

 

[Archimedes' Lever]

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:58:03 -0800 (PST), bulegoge@columbus.rr.com wrote:

No you don't. You would be put in prison for assualt if you did.

You wouldn't see it coming, and the only evidence of the event you would
have are your bruises. I would walk in, greeting everyone the next day,
as normal. You would likely not report the places I'd bruise you.
Also...

Your word isn't good enough. You need a witness.