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[Clifford Heath]

On 22/2/22 7:55 pm, bitrex wrote:

I think in the US also there\'s a difference between audio/visual
recording of an area, and targeted audio-only recording, consult your
local statues

Tried consulting mine, but they didn\'t answer. Might have been stoned I
guess.

 

[Phil Allison]

gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
=========================

I\'m not a lawyer,

** So you have ZERO fucking idea whatsoever

----------------------------------------------------------------------

> If people are in a public place and are made aware of the recording,

** Not even faintly possible when using a long range and invisible mic.

Go fuck a dead donkey you RABID ASD fucked NUT CASE !!!



....... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

Jan Panteltje wrote:
================

> Most modern security cameras have sound too,

** Massive LIE !!

> I have one like that.

** Bullshit.

Fuck off you stinking WOG LAIR

 

[John Walliker]

On Tuesday, 22 February 2022 at 00:16:12 UTC, palli...@gmail.com wrote:

John Walliker wrote:
=================

** Been dealing with mics, dynamic, true condenser and electrets for over 50 years.

Electrets from makers like Sony, AKG and EV do NOT have exceptional, published noise figures.
25 to 30 dB or so equivalent SPL is the norm.
A 10mm dia one one is half the size of any of the above.

FYI: there are two very reliable ways to test the self noise of a mic that has a pre-amp built in.

1. Place it in a silent chamber - a heavy cast iron sphere with a good air seal sited in a quiet room.

2. Place it in a vacuum.

When I visited the UK Knowles factory
** They make tiny hearing aid mics - right?
Very different game.
They do make hearing aid mics, but they make (slightly) larger ones too.
** Yawnnnnnn.....
Using a vacuum would give an artificially low noise level as there would
be no brownian movement of air molecules.
** Nonsense - no mic made for audio gets anywhere near that level.

According to Knowles,
about half the noise of a good electret mic comes from the FET and about
half comes from brownian motion of the air molecules.
** Totally false.

I\'m just repeating what I was told.
** Not worth posting, cos only YOU know about it.
However, the relative importance of the different noise sources will
vary strongly with microphone diameter, so we might both be right
depending on the mic size.
** Yep. Exactly what I posted. Tiny \"in ear\" mics are not the topic.
A vacuum eliminates all sound transmission to the diaphragm - so is a fair test.

Only if your assertion that brownian motion is negligible is true.
** It is, been dealing with REAL mics, dynamic, true condenser and electrets for over 50 years.
Self noise is always tested with a low noise pre-amp.
Only large diaphragm condensers are truely quiet.
Mics are also sensitive to acceleration,
** Wot a pedant you are.
\" It it might be true - therefore it is\" nonsense.

It is hardly nonsense. Handling noise is partly the result of sensitivity
to acceleration. That is why mic capsules in hearing aids and many phones are
mounted on a floppy rubber moulding.

Condenser mic self noise is mostly low frequency, unlike that from dynamic mics which is close to white noise - rising 6dB with each octave.
As a result, the \"A\" weighting curve has a much bigger effect on condenser models than dynamics.
There arsome games being played here with specs.

Electrets from makers like Sony, AKG and EV do NOT have exceptional, published noise figures.
Look a few up.

The first mic I looked at is the Sony ECM100-N which is a small omni-directional electret mic.
Noise floor is 21db(A) or less.
** So not 14.

\" Games are being played here with specs\".

I don\'t think you need to invoke \"games with specs\". The design tradeoffs are
different. The Sony ECM100-N has a maximum input sound pressure level of 145dBspl
whereas the PUI AOM5024 which the OP is using has a maximum input sound pressure
level of 110dBspl (for 3% thd).
For a microphone to give a reasonably undistorted output at 145dBspl the diaphragm to
back-plate spacing is likely to be greater, or the diaphragm stiffer, giving less sensitivity
and worse signal to noise ratio.
The much more expensive Sony mic has a greater dynamic range than the low-cost PUI capsule
but that does not prevent the AOM5024 (and the Primo EM272 and EM273) from having a
lower noise floor. At moderate sound levels the Sony is likely to generate less distortion
than the others. So no games are needed. The OP wants a very sensitive microphone with
a low noise floor but doesn\'t care about high sound levels. For his purposes the AOM5024
is a better choice than the Sony ECM100-N, even though in most respects the Sony is a \"better\"
microphone.

John

 

[Phil Allison]

John Wanker bullshitted
====================

Only large diaphragm condensers are truely quiet.
Mics are also sensitive to acceleration,
** Wot a pedant you are.
\" If it might be true - therefore it is\" nonsense.

It is hardly nonsense.

** Try reading what was written again.

Assuming that what *might* be true IS true is 100% insane
=========================================

Noise floor is 21db(A) or less.
** So not 14.

\" Games are being played here with specs\".

I don\'t think you need to invoke \"games with specs\".

** Guess what - pal ?

I don\'t give a flying FUCK what a *know nothing* lying TROLL like you thinks.
Clearly you have *zero experience* with actual microphones.

Go pull your tiny cock elsewhere.
Doing it in public is so pathetic.



....... Phil

 

[John Walliker]

On Tuesday, 22 February 2022 at 12:40:45 UTC, palli...@gmail.com wrote:

John Wanker bullshitted
====================

Only large diaphragm condensers are truely quiet.
Mics are also sensitive to acceleration,
** Wot a pedant you are.
\" If it might be true - therefore it is\" nonsense.

It is hardly nonsense.

** Try reading what was written again.

Assuming that what *might* be true IS true is 100% insane
=========================================
Noise floor is 21db(A) or less.
** So not 14.

\" Games are being played here with specs\".

I don\'t think you need to invoke \"games with specs\".
** Guess what - pal ?

I don\'t give a flying FUCK what a *know nothing* lying TROLL like you thinks.
Clearly you have *zero experience* with actual microphones.

It might be a few weeks before it is convenient to do the measurements,
but I will measure the noise floor of a few of the AOM5024 mics and let you know
the results. I do have the necessary test equipment including a B&K 4231 sound
level calibrator and a suitable low-noise preamp.

John

 

[amdx]

On 2/21/2022 9:29 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 2/21/2022 7:55 PM, amdx wrote:
On 2/21/2022 4:47 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 21. februar 2022 kl. 23.19.27 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 2/21/2022 1:04 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Feb 2022 15:31:02 -0800 (PST)) it happened
John
Walliker <jrwal...@gmail.com> wrote in
153b314d-6fb5-497a...@googlegroups.com>:


a Gatling gun towards people you think might be drug dealers is
maybe
a little unwise.
John
Having lived in Amsterdam the way to find out what they are saying
is go over there
and say \"hey man I am buying, what you have for me?\"
;-)

Drug dealers making house calls seems a little unusual unless you have
serious money on offer, or they\'re just small-timers peddling
small-time
weed to their friends, in the US it sounds like a good way to get
robbed/killed. Everyone is armed and you have no idea what you\'re
walking into.

In the \'hood at least historically they tend to stick to their \"turf\"
and buyers come to them. But maybe the pandemic has changed even that
here has been a few cases of so called \"white delivery\".
order via snapchat or SMS, and cocain, estacy or similar will be be
delivered
to your door, just like a pizza.

if there is a market someone will make a business out of it...


  No they are meth users. But there has also been cocaine and heroin
busts.

I have cleaned up needles from my yard and at one point they used my
storage shed

  to hang out and shoot up in, my wife found 3 syringes inside. And
as I said, two women have OD,

  I don\'t think I was clear they died in the house from an OD.


Tragic. But your time is probably better spent keeping your shit
locked up, put up a fence, and not being such a busy-body.

One of the downsides of home ownership is that you can get stuck with
difficult neighbors for a long time, unlike with a lease where the
landlord often won\'t be of much more help than the police, but in many
states if a neighbor in your complex is routinely doing
disruptive/illegal shit next door you have entirely just cause to bust
the lease at that point and move on, perhaps at only the cost of your
security deposit, if that.

It\'s usually the best plan as a tenant-at-will rather than hope anyone
else will solve your problem for you.

The neighbor surveillance is mostly just a reason for a project, so what
if I can hear the chit chat for one and a half minutes,

that gets me nothing. I could have recorded video at least 10 times. My
wife is outside much more she has seen the hand off many

more time than I have.

  I saw the multi-tube shotgun mic 30 years ago and have thought that
would be neat. And what works best a

shotgun mic or a parabolic? What advantage does one have over the other.
Which one handles wind better?

If I had the electronics, I could compare. So the neighbor thing is
mostly mental masturbation.

   The city has been after them several times to mow the lawn. Then
they had a long process to get them to clean up the

property and than finally got to the point where they brought in a large
dump truck and back hoe and cleaned it up got the

lawn mowed and put a lien on the property. It took two truck loads. The
home is in poor shape, because they didn\'t get repairs done after

the 2018 hurricane. The household was mama (80s), son (50s) grandson
30s, daughter (teens) and different hanger on-ers

over the years. All were on government money, mama was sick for a while
and got weaker and weaker. I expected to see

a chest freezer show up any day, so they could keep collecting her SS
check. Never saw a freezer arrive, but I can\'t find

any obituary for her either . Some people would care, she owned the
local titty bar for over 30 years.

Lost it after hiring a 16 year old as dancer.

Son is on disability, he once told me they cut it off when he missed a
psychological assessment. Grandson also has a mental disability.

Teen daughter, that poor kid has a had bad childhood, had to live in
that drug fueled household, her mama died after the coma

brought on by a beating. Anyway, with grandma dead, money in that
household is going to be even tighter. Yes, maybe I should

concern myself with locking up our stuff. My wife does this, I\'m more
laid back.

 OK, soap opera over, you can get back to electronics, or supply chain
disruption, or the rise in interest rates, or the Russia/Ukraine

situation, or the price of gas, or even the fall of our democracy from
within.

                                            Mikek

                                                Mikek


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[amdx]

On 2/21/2022 9:29 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 2/21/2022 7:55 PM, amdx wrote:
On 2/21/2022 4:47 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 21. februar 2022 kl. 23.19.27 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 2/21/2022 1:04 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Feb 2022 15:31:02 -0800 (PST)) it happened
John
Walliker <jrwal...@gmail.com> wrote in
153b314d-6fb5-497a...@googlegroups.com>:


a Gatling gun towards people you think might be drug dealers is
maybe
a little unwise.
John
Having lived in Amsterdam the way to find out what they are saying
is go over there
and say \"hey man I am buying, what you have for me?\"
;-)

Drug dealers making house calls seems a little unusual unless you have
serious money on offer, or they\'re just small-timers peddling
small-time
weed to their friends, in the US it sounds like a good way to get
robbed/killed. Everyone is armed and you have no idea what you\'re
walking into.

In the \'hood at least historically they tend to stick to their \"turf\"
and buyers come to them. But maybe the pandemic has changed even that
here has been a few cases of so called \"white delivery\".
order via snapchat or SMS, and cocain, estacy or similar will be be
delivered
to your door, just like a pizza.

if there is a market someone will make a business out of it...


  No they are meth users. But there has also been cocaine and heroin
busts.

I have cleaned up needles from my yard and at one point they used my
storage shed

  to hang out and shoot up in, my wife found 3 syringes inside. And
as I said, two women have OD,

  I don\'t think I was clear they died in the house from an OD.


Tragic. But your time is probably better spent keeping your shit
locked up, put up a fence, and not being such a busy-body.

One of the downsides of home ownership is that you can get stuck with
difficult neighbors for a long time, unlike with a lease where the
landlord often won\'t be of much more help than the police, but in many
states if a neighbor in your complex is routinely doing
disruptive/illegal shit next door you have entirely just cause to bust
the lease at that point and move on, perhaps at only the cost of your
security deposit, if that.

It\'s usually the best plan as a tenant-at-will rather than hope anyone
else will solve your problem for you.

The neighbor surveillance is mostly just a reason for a project, so what
if I can hear the chit chat for one and a half minutes,

that gets me nothing. I could have recorded video at least 10 times. My
wife is outside much more she has seen the hand off many

more time than I have.

  I saw the multi-tube shotgun mic 30 years ago and have thought that
would be neat. And what works best a

shotgun mic or a parabolic? What advantage does one have over the other.
Which one handles wind better?

If I had the electronics, I could compare. So the neighbor thing is
mostly mental masturbation.

   The city has been after them several times to mow the lawn. Then
they had a long process to get them to clean up the

property and than finally got to the point where they brought in a large
dump truck and back hoe and cleaned it up got the

lawn mowed and put a lien on the property. It took two truck loads. The
home is in poor shape, because they didn\'t get repairs done after

the 2018 hurricane. The household was mama (80s), son (50s) grandson
30s, daughter (teens) and different hanger on-ers

over the years. All were on government money, mama was sick for a while
and got weaker and weaker. I expected to see

a chest freezer show up any day, so they could keep collecting her SS
check. Never saw a freezer arrive, but I can\'t find

any obituary for her either . Some people would care, she owned the
local titty bar for over 30 years.

Lost it after hiring a 16 year old as dancer.

Son is on disability, he once told me they cut it off when he missed a
psychological assessment. Grandson also has a mental disability.

Teen daughter, that poor kid has a had bad childhood, had to live in
that drug fueled household, her mama died after the coma

brought on by a beating. Anyway, with grandma dead, money in that
household is going to be even tighter. Yes, maybe I should

concern myself with locking up our stuff. My wife does this, I\'m more
laid back.

 OK, soap opera over, you can get back to electronics, or supply chain
disruption, or the rise in interest rates, or the Russia/Ukraine

situation, or the price of gas, or even the fall of our democracy from
within.

                                            Mikek



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[amdx]

On 2/21/2022 9:29 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 2/21/2022 7:55 PM, amdx wrote:
On 2/21/2022 4:47 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 21. februar 2022 kl. 23.19.27 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 2/21/2022 1:04 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Feb 2022 15:31:02 -0800 (PST)) it happened
John
Walliker <jrwal...@gmail.com> wrote in
153b314d-6fb5-497a...@googlegroups.com>:


a Gatling gun towards people you think might be drug dealers is
maybe
a little unwise.
John
Having lived in Amsterdam the way to find out what they are saying
is go over there
and say \"hey man I am buying, what you have for me?\"
;-)

Drug dealers making house calls seems a little unusual unless you have
serious money on offer, or they\'re just small-timers peddling
small-time
weed to their friends, in the US it sounds like a good way to get
robbed/killed. Everyone is armed and you have no idea what you\'re
walking into.

In the \'hood at least historically they tend to stick to their \"turf\"
and buyers come to them. But maybe the pandemic has changed even that
here has been a few cases of so called \"white delivery\".
order via snapchat or SMS, and cocain, estacy or similar will be be
delivered
to your door, just like a pizza.

if there is a market someone will make a business out of it...


  No they are meth users. But there has also been cocaine and heroin
busts.

I have cleaned up needles from my yard and at one point they used my
storage shed

  to hang out and shoot up in, my wife found 3 syringes inside. And
as I said, two women have OD,

  I don\'t think I was clear they died in the house from an OD.


Tragic. But your time is probably better spent keeping your shit
locked up, put up a fence, and not being such a busy-body.

One of the downsides of home ownership is that you can get stuck with
difficult neighbors for a long time, unlike with a lease where the
landlord often won\'t be of much more help than the police, but in many
states if a neighbor in your complex is routinely doing
disruptive/illegal shit next door you have entirely just cause to bust
the lease at that point and move on, perhaps at only the cost of your
security deposit, if that.

It\'s usually the best plan as a tenant-at-will rather than hope anyone
else will solve your problem for you.

The neighbor surveillance is mostly just a reason for a project, so what
if I can hear the chit chat for one and a half minutes,

that gets me nothing. I could have recorded video at least 10 times. My
wife is outside much more she has seen the hand off many

more time than I have.

  I saw the multi-tube shotgun mic 30 years ago and have thought that
would be neat. And what works best a

shotgun mic or a parabolic? What advantage does one have over the other.
Which one handles wind better?

If I had the electronics, I could compare. So the neighbor thing is
mostly mental masturbation.

   The city has been after them several times to mow the lawn. Then
they had a long process to get them to clean up the

property and than finally got to the point where they brought in a large
dump truck and back hoe and cleaned it up got the

lawn mowed and put a lien on the property. It took two truck loads. The
home is in poor shape, because they didn\'t get repairs done after

the 2018 hurricane. The household was mama (80s), son (50s) grandson
30s, daughter (teens) and different hanger on-ers

over the years. All were on government money, mama was sick for a while
and got weaker and weaker. I expected to see

a chest freezer show up any day, so they could keep collecting her SS
check. Never saw a freezer arrive, but I can\'t find

any obituary for her either . Some people would care, she owned the
local titty bar for over 30 years.

Lost it after hiring a 16 year old as dancer.

Son is on disability, he once told me they cut it off when he missed a
psychological assessment. Grandson also has a mental disability.

Teen daughter, that poor kid has a had bad childhood, had to live in
that drug fueled household, her mama died after the coma

brought on by a beating. Anyway, with grandma dead, money in that
household is going to be even tighter. Yes, maybe I should

concern myself with locking up our stuff. My wife does this, I\'m more
laid back.

 OK, soap opera over, you can get back to electronics, or supply chain
disruption, or the rise in interest rates, or the Russia/Ukraine

situation, or the price of gas, or even the fall of our democracy from
within.

                                            Mikek


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[amdx]

On 2/21/2022 9:55 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 10:30:02 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 2/21/2022 7:55 PM, amdx wrote:
On 2/21/2022 4:47 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 21. februar 2022 kl. 23.19.27 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 2/21/2022 1:04 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Feb 2022 15:31:02 -0800 (PST)) it happened John
Walliker <jrwal...@gmail.com> wrote in
153b314d-6fb5-497a...@googlegroups.com>:


a Gatling gun towards people you think might be drug dealers is maybe
a little unwise.
John
Having lived in Amsterdam the way to find out what they are saying
is go over there
and say \"hey man I am buying, what you have for me?\"
;-)

Drug dealers making house calls seems a little unusual unless you have
serious money on offer, or they\'re just small-timers peddling small-time
weed to their friends, in the US it sounds like a good way to get
robbed/killed. Everyone is armed and you have no idea what you\'re
walking into.

In the \'hood at least historically they tend to stick to their \"turf\"
and buyers come to them. But maybe the pandemic has changed even that
here has been a few cases of so called \"white delivery\".
order via snapchat or SMS, and cocain, estacy or similar will be be
delivered
to your door, just like a pizza.

if there is a market someone will make a business out of it...


No they are meth users. But there has also been cocaine and heroin busts.

I have cleaned up needles from my yard and at one point they used my
storage shed

to hang out and shoot up in, my wife found 3 syringes inside. And as I
said, two women have OD,

I don\'t think I was clear they died in the house from an OD.
Tragic. But your time is probably better spent keeping your shit locked
up, put up a fence, and not being such a busy-body.

One of the downsides of home ownership is that you can get stuck with
difficult neighbors for a long time, unlike with a lease where the
landlord often won\'t be of much more help than the police, but in many
states if a neighbor in your complex is routinely doing
disruptive/illegal shit next door you have entirely just cause to bust
the lease at that point and move on, perhaps at only the cost of your
security deposit, if that.

It\'s usually the best plan as a tenant-at-will rather than hope anyone
else will solve your problem for you.
If people are breaking into the house and using it to take drugs, the place can be condemned and taken from the owner. That will clean it up. Trouble is the neighbors have to take action to motivate the city. There need to be repeated complaints and likely police involvement. If people have OD\'d in the house, that has to show up on public records. That should be sufficient.

 Hmm, nobody breaking into the house, to take drugs, they are invited.
I don\'t know why nothing has every happened

over the deceased women, the police were very involved in the situation.
The Son has had a least two lawsuits against the city,

as he says, \"they are just out to get me\" he is an angel and never does
anything wrong.

It was my storage shed that was used for shooting drugs, it is within a
fenced area with a locked gate. The climbed the fence and went in the shed.

I know this because they broke a fence post doing this. I now have a
lock on the shed door.


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[amdx]

On 2/21/2022 11:45 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 11:08:26 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 2/21/2022 10:55 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 10:30:02 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 2/21/2022 7:55 PM, amdx wrote:
On 2/21/2022 4:47 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 21. februar 2022 kl. 23.19.27 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 2/21/2022 1:04 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Feb 2022 15:31:02 -0800 (PST)) it happened John
Walliker <jrwal...@gmail.com> wrote in
153b314d-6fb5-497a...@googlegroups.com>:


a Gatling gun towards people you think might be drug dealers is maybe
a little unwise.
John
Having lived in Amsterdam the way to find out what they are saying
is go over there
and say \"hey man I am buying, what you have for me?\"
;-)

Drug dealers making house calls seems a little unusual unless you have
serious money on offer, or they\'re just small-timers peddling small-time
weed to their friends, in the US it sounds like a good way to get
robbed/killed. Everyone is armed and you have no idea what you\'re
walking into.

In the \'hood at least historically they tend to stick to their \"turf\"
and buyers come to them. But maybe the pandemic has changed even that
here has been a few cases of so called \"white delivery\".
order via snapchat or SMS, and cocain, estacy or similar will be be
delivered
to your door, just like a pizza.

if there is a market someone will make a business out of it...


No they are meth users. But there has also been cocaine and heroin busts.

I have cleaned up needles from my yard and at one point they used my
storage shed

to hang out and shoot up in, my wife found 3 syringes inside. And as I
said, two women have OD,

I don\'t think I was clear they died in the house from an OD.
Tragic. But your time is probably better spent keeping your shit locked
up, put up a fence, and not being such a busy-body.

One of the downsides of home ownership is that you can get stuck with
difficult neighbors for a long time, unlike with a lease where the
landlord often won\'t be of much more help than the police, but in many
states if a neighbor in your complex is routinely doing
disruptive/illegal shit next door you have entirely just cause to bust
the lease at that point and move on, perhaps at only the cost of your
security deposit, if that.

It\'s usually the best plan as a tenant-at-will rather than hope anyone
else will solve your problem for you.
If people are breaking into the house and using it to take drugs, the place can be condemned and taken from the owner. That will clean it up. Trouble is the neighbors have to take action to motivate the city. There need to be repeated complaints and likely police involvement. If people have OD\'d in the house, that has to show up on public records. That should be sufficient.

Didn\'t sound like the neighbor\'s house was abandoned/derelict to me,
just some suburban party-house owned and occupied by asswipes, and the
owner hosts parties there or something, and people have ODed there.

No one is going to \"condemn\" shit this isn\'t some crack house in the \'hood.
LOL Multiple ODs and it\'s just a party thing! Yeah, right.

They don\'t really have parties, most people walk to the house, no cars
parked. No crowds.

Just  a few people in the house doing drugs and dying.


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[amdx]

On 2/21/2022 8:42 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 4:18:39 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 2/20/2022 3:08 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
amdx wrote:
===========
Not measuring, just want to listen to the drug deals across the street.

** Monitoring private conversations is ILLEGAL !!

Both fines an jail time are penalties.
So you go right ahead - asshole.

...... Phil

If he lives in a \"one-party\" state in the US he can use an audio
enhancement device to monitor a private oral conversation, so long as at
least one party participating is aware.

So if he lives in one of those he\'ll have to go buy some drugs I guess.
He should probably try not to get caught at it though as a buyer wearing
a wire likely makes drug dealers pretty unhappy
I\'m not a lawyer, but I don\'t think there is anything wrong with listening to a conversation when there is no reasonable expectation of privacy, such as on a street corner. However, a bit of searching turned up conflicting information regarding this.

However... it would be easy enough to protect yourself from criminal or civil prosecution by simply posting signs indicating that the area is under surveillance. That then constitutes informed surveillance and is perfectly legal. If this were not true, it would not be possible to have surveillance cameras in public areas.

So mount a sign on your house indicating the area around the property is under surveillance and you should be fine. This alone will probably get rid of the druggies.

 I don\'t think they will be leaving, they own the house. They talked
about moving to a property they had in Tennessee,

but they had to sell that for lawyer fees when mama was in court over
the 16yr old dancer.


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On 2/22/2022 2:46 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Tue, 22 Feb 2022 02:24:08 -0500) it happened bitrex
user@example.net> wrote in <tc0RJ.37177$r6p7.16440@fx41.iad>:

?
Indeed. Just as reporters make audio recordings of crowds, etc. There is nothing special about sound, as long as they are
informed or if the location is public enough, being informed is not required.

No way, there is something special about real-world conversations, they
fall under wiretapping laws. Private citizens have to obey wiretapping
laws. Basically if it\'s illegal to do to a wire between two telephones
it\'s illegal to do to the vibrating air between two human\'s mouths and
ears. Intent matters of course, recording a crowd or putting up a mic on
your property to record bird songs isn\'t the same thing.
Most modern security cameras have sound too, I have one like that.
There is a TV program here that mentions recent crimes and works with the police
they then ask everybody with a security camera or some other camera
or car camera in that area to upload the stuff, that way they track for example
where the bad guy\'s cars go, (many people have such private cameras).
what language the bad guys speak, and their pictures are then posted in the program
and online.
Sure if something happened here they can have my recordings.
5 security cams here (been robbed twice in Amsterdam).
Last time I was home, poor guy,...

 My daughter visited yesterday and told me that someone had been
stealing from cars at the gym her husband works out at.

One of the guys saw someone trying to get into his car, he yelled out to
the others rolling at the Jiu jitsu gym, the would be thief

took one flight through the air and then was in a choke hold. There was
a police officer working out, he retrieved his handcuffs

and cuffed the thief. He just picked the wrong place.


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On 2/22/2022 3:13 AM, bitrex wrote:

On 2/22/2022 4:05 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 2/22/2022 3:59 AM, David Brown wrote:
On 22/02/2022 09:55, bitrex wrote:
On 2/22/2022 3:46 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 22 Feb 2022 02:24:08 -0500) it happened bitrex
user@example.net> wrote in <tc0RJ.37177$r6p7.16440@fx41.iad>:

?

Indeed.  Just as reporters make audio recordings of crowds, etc.
There is nothing special about sound, as long as they are
informed or if the location is public enough, being informed is not
required.


No way, there is something special about real-world
conversations, they
fall under wiretapping laws. Private citizens have to obey
wiretapping
laws. Basically if it\'s illegal to do to a wire between two
telephones
it\'s illegal to do to the vibrating air between two human\'s
mouths and
ears. Intent matters of course, recording a crowd or putting up a
mic on
your property to record bird songs isn\'t the same thing.

Most modern security cameras have sound too, I have one like that.
There is a TV program here that mentions recent crimes and works with
the police
they then ask everybody with a security camera or some other camera
or car camera in that area to upload the stuff, that way they track
for example
where the bad guy\'s cars go, (many people have such private cameras).
what language the bad guys speak, and their pictures are then posted
in the program
and online.
Sure if something happened here they can have my recordings.
5 security cams here (been robbed twice in Amsterdam).
Last time I was home, poor guy,...



I think in the US also there\'s a difference between audio/visual
recording of an area, and targeted audio-only recording, consult your
local statues

That bit is key - the laws and regulations vary widely for different
countries, and probably within countries (I\'m sure that\'s the case for
the USA at least).


Right, I know targeted audio recording of conversations is considered
very much like wiretapping in the US but how e.g. non-specific AV
recording of areas like with security cameras on private property is
handled exactly, I\'m unsure.

Or rather, all the US states are remarkably consistent on the first
point at least.

OK, let\'s just say, I\'ll be listening for bird sounds.

                       Mikek


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[Rick C]

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 2:53:12 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:

On 2/22/2022 12:45 AM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 11:08:26 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 2/21/2022 10:55 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 10:30:02 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 2/21/2022 7:55 PM, amdx wrote:
On 2/21/2022 4:47 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 21. februar 2022 kl. 23.19.27 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 2/21/2022 1:04 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Feb 2022 15:31:02 -0800 (PST)) it happened John
Walliker <jrwal...@gmail.com> wrote in
153b314d-6fb5-497a...@googlegroups.com>:


a Gatling gun towards people you think might be drug dealers is maybe
a little unwise.
John
Having lived in Amsterdam the way to find out what they are saying
is go over there
and say \"hey man I am buying, what you have for me?\"
;-)

Drug dealers making house calls seems a little unusual unless you have
serious money on offer, or they\'re just small-timers peddling small-time
weed to their friends, in the US it sounds like a good way to get
robbed/killed. Everyone is armed and you have no idea what you\'re
walking into.

In the \'hood at least historically they tend to stick to their \"turf\"
and buyers come to them. But maybe the pandemic has changed even that
here has been a few cases of so called \"white delivery\".
order via snapchat or SMS, and cocain, estacy or similar will be be
delivered
to your door, just like a pizza.

if there is a market someone will make a business out of it...


No they are meth users. But there has also been cocaine and heroin busts.

I have cleaned up needles from my yard and at one point they used my
storage shed

to hang out and shoot up in, my wife found 3 syringes inside. And as I
said, two women have OD,

I don\'t think I was clear they died in the house from an OD.
Tragic. But your time is probably better spent keeping your shit locked
up, put up a fence, and not being such a busy-body.

One of the downsides of home ownership is that you can get stuck with
difficult neighbors for a long time, unlike with a lease where the
landlord often won\'t be of much more help than the police, but in many
states if a neighbor in your complex is routinely doing
disruptive/illegal shit next door you have entirely just cause to bust
the lease at that point and move on, perhaps at only the cost of your
security deposit, if that.

It\'s usually the best plan as a tenant-at-will rather than hope anyone
else will solve your problem for you.

If people are breaking into the house and using it to take drugs, the place can be condemned and taken from the owner. That will clean it up. Trouble is the neighbors have to take action to motivate the city. There need to be repeated complaints and likely police involvement. If people have OD\'d in the house, that has to show up on public records. That should be sufficient.

Didn\'t sound like the neighbor\'s house was abandoned/derelict to me,
just some suburban party-house owned and occupied by asswipes, and the
owner hosts parties there or something, and people have ODed there.

No one is going to \"condemn\" shit this isn\'t some crack house in the \'hood.

LOL Multiple ODs and it\'s just a party thing! Yeah, right.

You\'ve never lived on a street with some half-wits down the way who have
house parties with 150 other half-wits roaming around drunk and doing
drugs, firing bottle rockets off til 3 AM on a Sunday morning and people
passed out on the lawn and such? Lived a charmed life if that so...

You have no way to know that. I have had exactly that situation... for years.

But no one died of an OD.

You seem to be obsessing over this, but fail to understand that deaths are treated very, very seriously.

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[Rick C]

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 3:55:17 AM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:

On 2/22/2022 3:46 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 22 Feb 2022 02:24:08 -0500) it happened bitrex
us...@example.net> wrote in <tc0RJ.37177$r6p7....@fx41.iad>:

?

Indeed. Just as reporters make audio recordings of crowds, etc. There is nothing special about sound, as long as they are
informed or if the location is public enough, being informed is not required.


No way, there is something special about real-world conversations, they
fall under wiretapping laws. Private citizens have to obey wiretapping
laws. Basically if it\'s illegal to do to a wire between two telephones
it\'s illegal to do to the vibrating air between two human\'s mouths and
ears. Intent matters of course, recording a crowd or putting up a mic on
your property to record bird songs isn\'t the same thing.

Most modern security cameras have sound too, I have one like that.
There is a TV program here that mentions recent crimes and works with the police
they then ask everybody with a security camera or some other camera
or car camera in that area to upload the stuff, that way they track for example
where the bad guy\'s cars go, (many people have such private cameras).
what language the bad guys speak, and their pictures are then posted in the program
and online.
Sure if something happened here they can have my recordings.
5 security cams here (been robbed twice in Amsterdam).
Last time I was home, poor guy,...


I think in the US also there\'s a difference between audio/visual
recording of an area, and targeted audio-only recording, consult your
local statues

Just the opposite. Recording video and not sound has allowed people to get away with it in prior times before laws caught up with technology. But that was in situations where people had an expectation of privacy, like in an apartment or hotel room.

So every time someone makes a video on their phone of a cop arresting someone they are breaking the law?

You are just making up stuff.

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[Rick C]

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 9:01:30 AM UTC-5, amdx wrote:

On 2/21/2022 11:45 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 11:08:26 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 2/21/2022 10:55 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 10:30:02 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 2/21/2022 7:55 PM, amdx wrote:
On 2/21/2022 4:47 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 21. februar 2022 kl. 23.19.27 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 2/21/2022 1:04 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Feb 2022 15:31:02 -0800 (PST)) it happened John
Walliker <jrwal...@gmail.com> wrote in
153b314d-6fb5-497a...@googlegroups.com>:


a Gatling gun towards people you think might be drug dealers is maybe
a little unwise.
John
Having lived in Amsterdam the way to find out what they are saying
is go over there
and say \"hey man I am buying, what you have for me?\"
;-)

Drug dealers making house calls seems a little unusual unless you have
serious money on offer, or they\'re just small-timers peddling small-time
weed to their friends, in the US it sounds like a good way to get
robbed/killed. Everyone is armed and you have no idea what you\'re
walking into.

In the \'hood at least historically they tend to stick to their \"turf\"
and buyers come to them. But maybe the pandemic has changed even that
here has been a few cases of so called \"white delivery\".
order via snapchat or SMS, and cocain, estacy or similar will be be
delivered
to your door, just like a pizza.

if there is a market someone will make a business out of it...


No they are meth users. But there has also been cocaine and heroin busts.

I have cleaned up needles from my yard and at one point they used my
storage shed

to hang out and shoot up in, my wife found 3 syringes inside. And as I
said, two women have OD,

I don\'t think I was clear they died in the house from an OD.
Tragic. But your time is probably better spent keeping your shit locked
up, put up a fence, and not being such a busy-body.

One of the downsides of home ownership is that you can get stuck with
difficult neighbors for a long time, unlike with a lease where the
landlord often won\'t be of much more help than the police, but in many
states if a neighbor in your complex is routinely doing
disruptive/illegal shit next door you have entirely just cause to bust
the lease at that point and move on, perhaps at only the cost of your
security deposit, if that.

It\'s usually the best plan as a tenant-at-will rather than hope anyone
else will solve your problem for you.
If people are breaking into the house and using it to take drugs, the place can be condemned and taken from the owner. That will clean it up. Trouble is the neighbors have to take action to motivate the city. There need to be repeated complaints and likely police involvement. If people have OD\'d in the house, that has to show up on public records. That should be sufficient.

Didn\'t sound like the neighbor\'s house was abandoned/derelict to me,
just some suburban party-house owned and occupied by asswipes, and the
owner hosts parties there or something, and people have ODed there.

No one is going to \"condemn\" shit this isn\'t some crack house in the \'hood.
LOL Multiple ODs and it\'s just a party thing! Yeah, right.

They don\'t really have parties, most people walk to the house, no cars
parked. No crowds.

Just a few people in the house doing drugs and dying.

Oh, well if it\'s just a few now and then, no big problem.

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[Rick C]

On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 9:14:02 AM UTC-5, amdx wrote:

On 2/22/2022 3:13 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 2/22/2022 4:05 AM, bitrex wrote:
On 2/22/2022 3:59 AM, David Brown wrote:
On 22/02/2022 09:55, bitrex wrote:
On 2/22/2022 3:46 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 22 Feb 2022 02:24:08 -0500) it happened bitrex
us...@example.net> wrote in <tc0RJ.37177$r6p7....@fx41.iad>:

?

Indeed. Just as reporters make audio recordings of crowds, etc.
There is nothing special about sound, as long as they are
informed or if the location is public enough, being informed is not
required.


No way, there is something special about real-world
conversations, they
fall under wiretapping laws. Private citizens have to obey
wiretapping
laws. Basically if it\'s illegal to do to a wire between two
telephones
it\'s illegal to do to the vibrating air between two human\'s
mouths and
ears. Intent matters of course, recording a crowd or putting up a
mic on
your property to record bird songs isn\'t the same thing.

Most modern security cameras have sound too, I have one like that.
There is a TV program here that mentions recent crimes and works with
the police
they then ask everybody with a security camera or some other camera
or car camera in that area to upload the stuff, that way they track
for example
where the bad guy\'s cars go, (many people have such private cameras).
what language the bad guys speak, and their pictures are then posted
in the program
and online.
Sure if something happened here they can have my recordings.
5 security cams here (been robbed twice in Amsterdam).
Last time I was home, poor guy,...



I think in the US also there\'s a difference between audio/visual
recording of an area, and targeted audio-only recording, consult your
local statues

That bit is key - the laws and regulations vary widely for different
countries, and probably within countries (I\'m sure that\'s the case for
the USA at least).


Right, I know targeted audio recording of conversations is considered
very much like wiretapping in the US but how e.g. non-specific AV
recording of areas like with security cameras on private property is
handled exactly, I\'m unsure.

Or rather, all the US states are remarkably consistent on the first
point at least.
OK, let\'s just say, I\'ll be listening for bird sounds.

Put up the signs. It\'s easy to do and may save your bacon.

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[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Tue, 22 Feb 2022 04:07:02 -0800 (PST)) it happened Phil
Allison <pallison49@gmail.com> wrote in
<adab2b13-f4f6-42b8-927e-fce80211845cn@googlegroups.com>:

Jan Panteltje wrote:
================

Most modern security cameras have sound too,

** Massive LIE !!

I have one like that.

** Bullshit.

Fuck off you stinking WOG LAIR

https://www.walmart.com/ip/EasyN-720P-Wireless-WIFI-Pan-Tilt-HD-IP-Camera-1-0MP-1-4-CMOS-Support-Two-way-Audio-IR-Cut-Night-Vision-Phone-APP-Control/448572510
I have the older one with one way audio, been working 24/7 since 2012

Wrote the software for it in Linux too:
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/mcamip/
and wrote Linux positioner software for it.

Has auto-scan 3D..
Is not water proof but works fine under some small roof like thing.
In daylight through a window OK, for nightvision I have special
Sony Super HAD 0.01 lux cameras, those need no IR and are mostly undetectable.

https://www.amazon.com/Outdoor-Camera-Audio/s?k=Outdoor+Camera+with+Audio

 

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On a sunny day (Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:12:25 -0600) it happened amdx
<amdx@knology.net> wrote in <sv2r0b$p40$1@dont-email.me>:

On 2/22/2022 2:46 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 22 Feb 2022 02:24:08 -0500) it happened bitrex
user@example.net> wrote in <tc0RJ.37177$r6p7.16440@fx41.iad>:

?
Indeed. Just as reporters make audio recordings of crowds, etc. There is nothing special about sound, as long as they are
informed or if the location is public enough, being informed is not required.

No way, there is something special about real-world conversations, they
fall under wiretapping laws. Private citizens have to obey wiretapping
laws. Basically if it\'s illegal to do to a wire between two telephones
it\'s illegal to do to the vibrating air between two human\'s mouths and
ears. Intent matters of course, recording a crowd or putting up a mic on
your property to record bird songs isn\'t the same thing.
Most modern security cameras have sound too, I have one like that.
There is a TV program here that mentions recent crimes and works with the police
they then ask everybody with a security camera or some other camera
or car camera in that area to upload the stuff, that way they track for example
where the bad guy\'s cars go, (many people have such private cameras).
what language the bad guys speak, and their pictures are then posted in the program
and online.
Sure if something happened here they can have my recordings.
5 security cams here (been robbed twice in Amsterdam).
Last time I was home, poor guy,...


 My daughter visited yesterday and told me that someone had been
stealing from cars at the gym her husband works out at.

One of the guys saw someone trying to get into his car, he yelled out to
the others rolling at the Jiu jitsu gym, the would be thief

took one flight through the air and then was in a choke hold. There was
a police officer working out, he retrieved his handcuffs

and cuffed the thief. He just picked the wrong place.

Here it went like this, it was queens day (a free day for all and lots of stuff happening)
I was in the shower and wanted to go to Amsterdam center to be with the festivities.
Door bell rang, I thought \'come back later\'.
Then a huge noise and I stepped out of the shower and the burglar was already in the living room,
had broken the kitchen window open..
He broke down in fear seeing me come at him and cried \'do not hit do not hit\'
Oh well, I put him on a chair, got some clothes on, got him to empty his pockets for an ID,
he had a letter with him that he had to report to the police station... junkies
I felt pity on him (was some arab or alien like guy) gave him a cup of coffee and told him:
\'I make a deal with you, promise me you and your friends do not come here any more and then I let you go\'.
That worked, never seen anyone there try again.

So it all depends.
My neighbor says he can do karate.
So can I, a little bit, learned it at school.
But there but for fortune go you and I.