Adding filter to a INA217...

[Rick C]

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 4:18:39 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:

On 2/20/2022 3:08 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
amdx wrote:
===========

Not measuring, just want to listen to the drug deals across the street..


** Monitoring private conversations is ILLEGAL !!

Both fines an jail time are penalties.
So you go right ahead - asshole.

...... Phil

If he lives in a \"one-party\" state in the US he can use an audio
enhancement device to monitor a private oral conversation, so long as at
least one party participating is aware.

So if he lives in one of those he\'ll have to go buy some drugs I guess.
He should probably try not to get caught at it though as a buyer wearing
a wire likely makes drug dealers pretty unhappy

I\'m not a lawyer, but I don\'t think there is anything wrong with listening to a conversation when there is no reasonable expectation of privacy, such as on a street corner. However, a bit of searching turned up conflicting information regarding this.

However... it would be easy enough to protect yourself from criminal or civil prosecution by simply posting signs indicating that the area is under surveillance. That then constitutes informed surveillance and is perfectly legal. If this were not true, it would not be possible to have surveillance cameras in public areas.

So mount a sign on your house indicating the area around the property is under surveillance and you should be fine. This alone will probably get rid of the druggies.

--

Rick C.

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[Phil Allison]

Rick Cunt is Anencephalic wrote:
=======================

amdx wrote:
===========

Not measuring, just want to listen to the drug deals across the street.


** Monitoring private conversations is ILLEGAL !!

Both fines an jail time are penalties.
So you go right ahead - asshole.

I\'m not a lawyer,

** Correct.

YOU a tedious, know nothing, fucking wanker !!!

but I don\'t think there is anything wrong with listening to a conversation when there is
no reasonable expectation of privacy, such as on a street corner.

** Stupid and totally false assumption.


> However... it would be easy enough to protect yourself from criminal or civil prosecution

** Shame that breaking listening devices laws is CRIMINAL !!!

> by simply posting signs indicating that the area is under surveillance.

** ROTFLMAO - that is purest insanity.

> That then constitutes informed surveillance and is perfectly legal.

** No it fucking isn\'t.

> If this were not true, it would not be possible to have surveillance cameras in public areas.

** Such cameras do NOT record sound - cos it is a criminal offence.

> So mount a sign on your house indicating the area around the property is under surveillance and you should be fine.

** No you won\'t.



....... Phil

 

[bitrex]

On 2/21/2022 7:55 PM, amdx wrote:

On 2/21/2022 4:47 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 21. februar 2022 kl. 23.19.27 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 2/21/2022 1:04 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Feb 2022 15:31:02 -0800 (PST)) it happened John
Walliker <jrwal...@gmail.com> wrote in
153b314d-6fb5-497a...@googlegroups.com>:


a Gatling gun towards people you think might be drug dealers is maybe
a little unwise.
John
Having lived in Amsterdam the way to find out what they are saying
is go over there
and say \"hey man I am buying, what you have for me?\"
;-)

Drug dealers making house calls seems a little unusual unless you have
serious money on offer, or they\'re just small-timers peddling small-time
weed to their friends, in the US it sounds like a good way to get
robbed/killed. Everyone is armed and you have no idea what you\'re
walking into.

In the \'hood at least historically they tend to stick to their \"turf\"
and buyers come to them. But maybe the pandemic has changed even that
here has been a few cases of so called \"white delivery\".
order via snapchat or SMS, and cocain, estacy or similar will be be
delivered
to your door, just like a pizza.

if there is a market someone will make a business out of it...


 No they are meth users. But there has also been cocaine and heroin busts.

I have cleaned up needles from my yard and at one point they used my
storage shed

 to hang out and shoot up in, my wife found 3 syringes inside. And as I
said, two women have OD,

 I don\'t think I was clear they died in the house from an OD.

Tragic. But your time is probably better spent keeping your shit locked
up, put up a fence, and not being such a busy-body.

One of the downsides of home ownership is that you can get stuck with
difficult neighbors for a long time, unlike with a lease where the
landlord often won\'t be of much more help than the police, but in many
states if a neighbor in your complex is routinely doing
disruptive/illegal shit next door you have entirely just cause to bust
the lease at that point and move on, perhaps at only the cost of your
security deposit, if that.

It\'s usually the best plan as a tenant-at-will rather than hope anyone
else will solve your problem for you.

 

[Rick C]

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 10:30:02 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:

On 2/21/2022 7:55 PM, amdx wrote:
On 2/21/2022 4:47 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 21. februar 2022 kl. 23.19.27 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 2/21/2022 1:04 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Feb 2022 15:31:02 -0800 (PST)) it happened John
Walliker <jrwal...@gmail.com> wrote in
153b314d-6fb5-497a...@googlegroups.com>:


a Gatling gun towards people you think might be drug dealers is maybe
a little unwise.
John
Having lived in Amsterdam the way to find out what they are saying
is go over there
and say \"hey man I am buying, what you have for me?\"
;-)

Drug dealers making house calls seems a little unusual unless you have
serious money on offer, or they\'re just small-timers peddling small-time
weed to their friends, in the US it sounds like a good way to get
robbed/killed. Everyone is armed and you have no idea what you\'re
walking into.

In the \'hood at least historically they tend to stick to their \"turf\"
and buyers come to them. But maybe the pandemic has changed even that
here has been a few cases of so called \"white delivery\".
order via snapchat or SMS, and cocain, estacy or similar will be be
delivered
to your door, just like a pizza.

if there is a market someone will make a business out of it...


No they are meth users. But there has also been cocaine and heroin busts.

I have cleaned up needles from my yard and at one point they used my
storage shed

to hang out and shoot up in, my wife found 3 syringes inside. And as I
said, two women have OD,

I don\'t think I was clear they died in the house from an OD.
Tragic. But your time is probably better spent keeping your shit locked
up, put up a fence, and not being such a busy-body.

One of the downsides of home ownership is that you can get stuck with
difficult neighbors for a long time, unlike with a lease where the
landlord often won\'t be of much more help than the police, but in many
states if a neighbor in your complex is routinely doing
disruptive/illegal shit next door you have entirely just cause to bust
the lease at that point and move on, perhaps at only the cost of your
security deposit, if that.

It\'s usually the best plan as a tenant-at-will rather than hope anyone
else will solve your problem for you.

If people are breaking into the house and using it to take drugs, the place can be condemned and taken from the owner. That will clean it up. Trouble is the neighbors have to take action to motivate the city. There need to be repeated complaints and likely police involvement. If people have OD\'d in the house, that has to show up on public records. That should be sufficient.

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[bitrex]

On 2/21/2022 9:42 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 4:18:39 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 2/20/2022 3:08 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
amdx wrote:
===========

Not measuring, just want to listen to the drug deals across the street.


** Monitoring private conversations is ILLEGAL !!

Both fines an jail time are penalties.
So you go right ahead - asshole.

...... Phil

If he lives in a \"one-party\" state in the US he can use an audio
enhancement device to monitor a private oral conversation, so long as at
least one party participating is aware.

So if he lives in one of those he\'ll have to go buy some drugs I guess.
He should probably try not to get caught at it though as a buyer wearing
a wire likely makes drug dealers pretty unhappy

I\'m not a lawyer, but I don\'t think there is anything wrong with listening to a conversation when there is no reasonable expectation of privacy, such as on a street corner. However, a bit of searching turned up conflicting information regarding this.

However... it would be easy enough to protect yourself from criminal or civil prosecution by simply posting signs indicating that the area is under surveillance. That then constitutes informed surveillance and is perfectly legal. If this were not true, it would not be possible to have surveillance cameras in public areas.

So mount a sign on your house indicating the area around the property is under surveillance and you should be fine. This alone will probably get rid of the druggies.

In every state AFAIK using an \"audio enhancement device\" to eavesdrop on
a conversation, even a real-world non-electronic one, falls under
wiretapping laws and the one-party/two-party rules apply, depending on
state either one or both parties actually participating in the
conversation must be aware the audio is being electronically monitored
and/or recorded.

Photo/video is different, you can even use a telephoto lens to snap
pictures of people and so long as they\'re in a place where there\'s no
\"reasonable expectation of privacy\" like out on the street or on a
public beach or something, this isn\'t illegal. Paparazzi do it all the time.

Maybe amdx should learn to read lips.

 

[bitrex]

On 2/21/2022 10:55 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 10:30:02 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 2/21/2022 7:55 PM, amdx wrote:
On 2/21/2022 4:47 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 21. februar 2022 kl. 23.19.27 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 2/21/2022 1:04 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Feb 2022 15:31:02 -0800 (PST)) it happened John
Walliker <jrwal...@gmail.com> wrote in
153b314d-6fb5-497a...@googlegroups.com>:


a Gatling gun towards people you think might be drug dealers is maybe
a little unwise.
John
Having lived in Amsterdam the way to find out what they are saying
is go over there
and say \"hey man I am buying, what you have for me?\"
;-)

Drug dealers making house calls seems a little unusual unless you have
serious money on offer, or they\'re just small-timers peddling small-time
weed to their friends, in the US it sounds like a good way to get
robbed/killed. Everyone is armed and you have no idea what you\'re
walking into.

In the \'hood at least historically they tend to stick to their \"turf\"
and buyers come to them. But maybe the pandemic has changed even that
here has been a few cases of so called \"white delivery\".
order via snapchat or SMS, and cocain, estacy or similar will be be
delivered
to your door, just like a pizza.

if there is a market someone will make a business out of it...


No they are meth users. But there has also been cocaine and heroin busts.

I have cleaned up needles from my yard and at one point they used my
storage shed

to hang out and shoot up in, my wife found 3 syringes inside. And as I
said, two women have OD,

I don\'t think I was clear they died in the house from an OD.
Tragic. But your time is probably better spent keeping your shit locked
up, put up a fence, and not being such a busy-body.

One of the downsides of home ownership is that you can get stuck with
difficult neighbors for a long time, unlike with a lease where the
landlord often won\'t be of much more help than the police, but in many
states if a neighbor in your complex is routinely doing
disruptive/illegal shit next door you have entirely just cause to bust
the lease at that point and move on, perhaps at only the cost of your
security deposit, if that.

It\'s usually the best plan as a tenant-at-will rather than hope anyone
else will solve your problem for you.

If people are breaking into the house and using it to take drugs, the place can be condemned and taken from the owner. That will clean it up. Trouble is the neighbors have to take action to motivate the city. There need to be repeated complaints and likely police involvement. If people have OD\'d in the house, that has to show up on public records. That should be sufficient.

Didn\'t sound like the neighbor\'s house was abandoned/derelict to me,
just some suburban party-house owned and occupied by asswipes, and the
owner hosts parties there or something, and people have ODed there.

No one is going to \"condemn\" shit this isn\'t some crack house in the \'hood.

 

[bitrex]

On 2/21/2022 10:55 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 10:30:02 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 2/21/2022 7:55 PM, amdx wrote:
On 2/21/2022 4:47 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 21. februar 2022 kl. 23.19.27 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 2/21/2022 1:04 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Feb 2022 15:31:02 -0800 (PST)) it happened John
Walliker <jrwal...@gmail.com> wrote in
153b314d-6fb5-497a...@googlegroups.com>:


a Gatling gun towards people you think might be drug dealers is maybe
a little unwise.
John
Having lived in Amsterdam the way to find out what they are saying
is go over there
and say \"hey man I am buying, what you have for me?\"
;-)

Drug dealers making house calls seems a little unusual unless you have
serious money on offer, or they\'re just small-timers peddling small-time
weed to their friends, in the US it sounds like a good way to get
robbed/killed. Everyone is armed and you have no idea what you\'re
walking into.

In the \'hood at least historically they tend to stick to their \"turf\"
and buyers come to them. But maybe the pandemic has changed even that
here has been a few cases of so called \"white delivery\".
order via snapchat or SMS, and cocain, estacy or similar will be be
delivered
to your door, just like a pizza.

if there is a market someone will make a business out of it...


No they are meth users. But there has also been cocaine and heroin busts.

I have cleaned up needles from my yard and at one point they used my
storage shed

to hang out and shoot up in, my wife found 3 syringes inside. And as I
said, two women have OD,

I don\'t think I was clear they died in the house from an OD.
Tragic. But your time is probably better spent keeping your shit locked
up, put up a fence, and not being such a busy-body.

One of the downsides of home ownership is that you can get stuck with
difficult neighbors for a long time, unlike with a lease where the
landlord often won\'t be of much more help than the police, but in many
states if a neighbor in your complex is routinely doing
disruptive/illegal shit next door you have entirely just cause to bust
the lease at that point and move on, perhaps at only the cost of your
security deposit, if that.

It\'s usually the best plan as a tenant-at-will rather than hope anyone
else will solve your problem for you.

If people are breaking into the house and using it to take drugs, the place can be condemned and taken from the owner. That will clean it up. Trouble is the neighbors have to take action to motivate the city. There need to be repeated complaints and likely police involvement. If people have OD\'d in the house, that has to show up on public records. That should be sufficient.

Sounds like some real hill billy shit going down in suburbia wherever
he\'s at, I\'m glad my neighbor\'s biggest vices tend to be stuff like
putting their fuckin\' Alpina B7 through a fence cuz wifey forgot which
way was forward. Again.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Mon, 21 Feb 2022 17:19:15 -0500) it happened bitrex
<user@example.net> wrote in <EdUQJ.42808$Mpg8.35743@fx34.iad>:

On 2/21/2022 1:04 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Feb 2022 15:31:02 -0800 (PST)) it happened John
Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote in
153b314d-6fb5-497a-8c8a-76d978f18a08n@googlegroups.com>:


a Gatling gun towards people you think might be drug dealers is maybe
a little unwise.
John

Having lived in Amsterdam the way to find out what they are saying is go over there
and say \"hey man I am buying, what you have for me?\"
;-)


Drug dealers making house calls seems a little unusual unless you have
serious money on offer, or they\'re just small-timers peddling small-time
weed to their friends, in the US it sounds like a good way to get
robbed/killed. Everyone is armed and you have no idea what you\'re
walking into.

In the \'hood at least historically they tend to stick to their \"turf\"
and buyers come to them. But maybe the pandemic has changed even that

Been a while since I was in Amsterdam, grew up there and later had a TV repair shop there,
but remember walking near Leidseplein and people (sellers) coming up to me.
In the bars and coffee shops there in the side-streets you can make any deal you want,
You are _expected_ to buy.
Not much gun violence.
Some coffee shops were closed because of corona, but now things are slowly opening again.
I don\'t use any drugs myself, no need, but if somebody wants it it is their business.
OTOH I have seen the bad it can do to people too.
Back in the seventies we all used things, hashish, LSD, cocaine, marijuana,
There are a lot of modern synthetic drugs I know nothing about, some are dangerous.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Mon, 21 Feb 2022 18:55:03 -0600) it happened amdx
<amdx@knology.net> wrote in <sv1c98$ace$1@dont-email.me>:

 No they are meth users. But there has also been cocaine and heroin busts.

I have cleaned up needles from my yard and at one point they used my
storage shed

 to hang out and shoot up in, my wife found 3 syringes inside. And as I
said, two women have OD,

 I don\'t think I was clear they died in the house from an OD.

I had a similar thing in a shed behind my house.
I experimented with 4 piezo tweeters and a 50 W amp and put 22 kHz on it.
Does not only drive away mosquitos.
Little kids can hear it, bigger kids not, but it had effect.
But I also went to the owner of that shed and asked him to interfere, that worked.

All a bit my fault perhaps, used to play good music really loud.
My house was strait across the street from the village bar,
I liked it, much activity.
In an other place I lived above a bar for many years.
Late at night we\'d sit in my room and smoke and play records.
Clothes smelled like it at next day at work, finally made me stop that.
We called it \'modern times\'.

Big cars, music, drugs.. what\'s new?

 

[bitrex]

On 2/21/2022 11:25 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Mon, 21 Feb 2022 17:19:15 -0500) it happened bitrex
user@example.net> wrote in <EdUQJ.42808$Mpg8.35743@fx34.iad>:

On 2/21/2022 1:04 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Feb 2022 15:31:02 -0800 (PST)) it happened John
Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote in
153b314d-6fb5-497a-8c8a-76d978f18a08n@googlegroups.com>:


a Gatling gun towards people you think might be drug dealers is maybe
a little unwise.
John

Having lived in Amsterdam the way to find out what they are saying is go over there
and say \"hey man I am buying, what you have for me?\"
;-)


Drug dealers making house calls seems a little unusual unless you have
serious money on offer, or they\'re just small-timers peddling small-time
weed to their friends, in the US it sounds like a good way to get
robbed/killed. Everyone is armed and you have no idea what you\'re
walking into.

In the \'hood at least historically they tend to stick to their \"turf\"
and buyers come to them. But maybe the pandemic has changed even that

Been a while since I was in Amsterdam, grew up there and later had a TV repair shop there,
but remember walking near Leidseplein and people (sellers) coming up to me.
In the bars and coffee shops there in the side-streets you can make any deal you want,
You are _expected_ to buy.
Not much gun violence.
Some coffee shops were closed because of corona, but now things are slowly opening again.
I don\'t use any drugs myself, no need, but if somebody wants it it is their business.
OTOH I have seen the bad it can do to people too.
Back in the seventies we all used things, hashish, LSD, cocaine, marijuana,
There are a lot of modern synthetic drugs I know nothing about, some are dangerous.

Methamphetamine and synthetic opioids like Fentanyl are a plague of
their own, you don\'t have to search very hard in the US to find someone
who knows someone or knows someone who knows someone who\'s died from one
of them. I have many nieces, nephews and cousins and already know of one
who died far too young from this.

 

[Rick C]

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 11:01:51 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:

On 2/21/2022 9:42 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 4:18:39 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 2/20/2022 3:08 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
amdx wrote:
===========

Not measuring, just want to listen to the drug deals across the street.


** Monitoring private conversations is ILLEGAL !!

Both fines an jail time are penalties.
So you go right ahead - asshole.

...... Phil

If he lives in a \"one-party\" state in the US he can use an audio
enhancement device to monitor a private oral conversation, so long as at
least one party participating is aware.

So if he lives in one of those he\'ll have to go buy some drugs I guess..
He should probably try not to get caught at it though as a buyer wearing
a wire likely makes drug dealers pretty unhappy

I\'m not a lawyer, but I don\'t think there is anything wrong with listening to a conversation when there is no reasonable expectation of privacy, such as on a street corner. However, a bit of searching turned up conflicting information regarding this.

However... it would be easy enough to protect yourself from criminal or civil prosecution by simply posting signs indicating that the area is under surveillance. That then constitutes informed surveillance and is perfectly legal. If this were not true, it would not be possible to have surveillance cameras in public areas.

So mount a sign on your house indicating the area around the property is under surveillance and you should be fine. This alone will probably get rid of the druggies.

In every state AFAIK using an \"audio enhancement device\" to eavesdrop on
a conversation, even a real-world non-electronic one, falls under
wiretapping laws and the one-party/two-party rules apply, depending on
state either one or both parties actually participating in the
conversation must be aware the audio is being electronically monitored
and/or recorded.

By \"audio enhancement device\" you mean a microphone? That\'s all he is doing. If people are in a public place and are made aware of the recording, there is no illegality. That\'s what the sign does. If you don\'t read it that on you, just like any other sign, such as private property and no trespassing signs.

Photo/video is different, you can even use a telephoto lens to snap
pictures of people and so long as they\'re in a place where there\'s no
\"reasonable expectation of privacy\" like out on the street or on a
public beach or something, this isn\'t illegal. Paparazzi do it all the time.

Maybe amdx should learn to read lips.

Indeed. Just as reporters make audio recordings of crowds, etc. There is nothing special about sound, as long as they are informed or if the location is public enough, being informed is not required.

--

Rick C.

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[Rick C]

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 11:08:26 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:

On 2/21/2022 10:55 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 10:30:02 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 2/21/2022 7:55 PM, amdx wrote:
On 2/21/2022 4:47 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 21. februar 2022 kl. 23.19.27 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 2/21/2022 1:04 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Feb 2022 15:31:02 -0800 (PST)) it happened John
Walliker <jrwal...@gmail.com> wrote in
153b314d-6fb5-497a...@googlegroups.com>:


a Gatling gun towards people you think might be drug dealers is maybe
a little unwise.
John
Having lived in Amsterdam the way to find out what they are saying
is go over there
and say \"hey man I am buying, what you have for me?\"
;-)

Drug dealers making house calls seems a little unusual unless you have
serious money on offer, or they\'re just small-timers peddling small-time
weed to their friends, in the US it sounds like a good way to get
robbed/killed. Everyone is armed and you have no idea what you\'re
walking into.

In the \'hood at least historically they tend to stick to their \"turf\"
and buyers come to them. But maybe the pandemic has changed even that
here has been a few cases of so called \"white delivery\".
order via snapchat or SMS, and cocain, estacy or similar will be be
delivered
to your door, just like a pizza.

if there is a market someone will make a business out of it...


No they are meth users. But there has also been cocaine and heroin busts.

I have cleaned up needles from my yard and at one point they used my
storage shed

to hang out and shoot up in, my wife found 3 syringes inside. And as I
said, two women have OD,

I don\'t think I was clear they died in the house from an OD.
Tragic. But your time is probably better spent keeping your shit locked
up, put up a fence, and not being such a busy-body.

One of the downsides of home ownership is that you can get stuck with
difficult neighbors for a long time, unlike with a lease where the
landlord often won\'t be of much more help than the police, but in many
states if a neighbor in your complex is routinely doing
disruptive/illegal shit next door you have entirely just cause to bust
the lease at that point and move on, perhaps at only the cost of your
security deposit, if that.

It\'s usually the best plan as a tenant-at-will rather than hope anyone
else will solve your problem for you.

If people are breaking into the house and using it to take drugs, the place can be condemned and taken from the owner. That will clean it up. Trouble is the neighbors have to take action to motivate the city. There need to be repeated complaints and likely police involvement. If people have OD\'d in the house, that has to show up on public records. That should be sufficient.

Didn\'t sound like the neighbor\'s house was abandoned/derelict to me,
just some suburban party-house owned and occupied by asswipes, and the
owner hosts parties there or something, and people have ODed there.

No one is going to \"condemn\" shit this isn\'t some crack house in the \'hood.

LOL Multiple ODs and it\'s just a party thing! Yeah, right.

--

Rick C.

+++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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[bitrex]

On 2/22/2022 12:44 AM, Rick C wrote:

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 11:01:51 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 2/21/2022 9:42 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 4:18:39 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 2/20/2022 3:08 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
amdx wrote:
===========

Not measuring, just want to listen to the drug deals across the street.


** Monitoring private conversations is ILLEGAL !!

Both fines an jail time are penalties.
So you go right ahead - asshole.

...... Phil

If he lives in a \"one-party\" state in the US he can use an audio
enhancement device to monitor a private oral conversation, so long as at
least one party participating is aware.

So if he lives in one of those he\'ll have to go buy some drugs I guess.
He should probably try not to get caught at it though as a buyer wearing
a wire likely makes drug dealers pretty unhappy

I\'m not a lawyer, but I don\'t think there is anything wrong with listening to a conversation when there is no reasonable expectation of privacy, such as on a street corner. However, a bit of searching turned up conflicting information regarding this.

However... it would be easy enough to protect yourself from criminal or civil prosecution by simply posting signs indicating that the area is under surveillance. That then constitutes informed surveillance and is perfectly legal. If this were not true, it would not be possible to have surveillance cameras in public areas.

So mount a sign on your house indicating the area around the property is under surveillance and you should be fine. This alone will probably get rid of the druggies.

In every state AFAIK using an \"audio enhancement device\" to eavesdrop on
a conversation, even a real-world non-electronic one, falls under
wiretapping laws and the one-party/two-party rules apply, depending on
state either one or both parties actually participating in the
conversation must be aware the audio is being electronically monitored
and/or recorded.

By \"audio enhancement device\" you mean a microphone? That\'s all he is doing. If people are in a public place and are made aware of the recording, there is no illegality. That\'s what the sign does. If you don\'t read it that on you, just like any other sign, such as private property and no trespassing signs.

The party doing the electronic listening/audio recording must be at
least one of the parties to the conversation; it\'s not enough to simply
\"inform\" two random people that they\'re being listened to by a _third_
party, any more than it\'s now legal for me to tap you and your boy
and/or girlfriend\'s phones and listen in to some KINKY SHIT and because
I will inform the two of you in writing I\'m gonna do that.

Only law enforcement can do that
secretly-record-the-suspected-baddies-with-a-parabolic-mic-from-a-cleaner\'s-van
shit, with a warrant.

And it\'s definitely useless to put up a sign on your own property
informing someone who\'s not even on your property they\'re being listened
to, who the hell you think you are.

Photo/video is different, you can even use a telephoto lens to snap
pictures of people and so long as they\'re in a place where there\'s no
\"reasonable expectation of privacy\" like out on the street or on a
public beach or something, this isn\'t illegal. Paparazzi do it all the time.

Maybe amdx should learn to read lips.

Indeed. Just as reporters make audio recordings of crowds, etc. There is nothing special about sound, as long as they are informed or if the location is public enough, being informed is not required.

No way, there is something special about real-world conversations, they
fall under wiretapping laws. Private citizens have to obey wiretapping
laws. Basically if it\'s illegal to do to a wire between two telephones
it\'s illegal to do to the vibrating air between two human\'s mouths and
ears. Intent matters of course, recording a crowd or putting up a mic on
your property to record bird songs isn\'t the same thing.

 

[bitrex]

On 2/22/2022 12:45 AM, Rick C wrote:

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 11:08:26 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 2/21/2022 10:55 PM, Rick C wrote:
On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 10:30:02 PM UTC-5, bitrex wrote:
On 2/21/2022 7:55 PM, amdx wrote:
On 2/21/2022 4:47 PM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 21. februar 2022 kl. 23.19.27 UTC+1 skrev bitrex:
On 2/21/2022 1:04 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Sun, 20 Feb 2022 15:31:02 -0800 (PST)) it happened John
Walliker <jrwal...@gmail.com> wrote in
153b314d-6fb5-497a...@googlegroups.com>:


a Gatling gun towards people you think might be drug dealers is maybe
a little unwise.
John
Having lived in Amsterdam the way to find out what they are saying
is go over there
and say \"hey man I am buying, what you have for me?\"
;-)

Drug dealers making house calls seems a little unusual unless you have
serious money on offer, or they\'re just small-timers peddling small-time
weed to their friends, in the US it sounds like a good way to get
robbed/killed. Everyone is armed and you have no idea what you\'re
walking into.

In the \'hood at least historically they tend to stick to their \"turf\"
and buyers come to them. But maybe the pandemic has changed even that
here has been a few cases of so called \"white delivery\".
order via snapchat or SMS, and cocain, estacy or similar will be be
delivered
to your door, just like a pizza.

if there is a market someone will make a business out of it...


No they are meth users. But there has also been cocaine and heroin busts.

I have cleaned up needles from my yard and at one point they used my
storage shed

to hang out and shoot up in, my wife found 3 syringes inside. And as I
said, two women have OD,

I don\'t think I was clear they died in the house from an OD.
Tragic. But your time is probably better spent keeping your shit locked
up, put up a fence, and not being such a busy-body.

One of the downsides of home ownership is that you can get stuck with
difficult neighbors for a long time, unlike with a lease where the
landlord often won\'t be of much more help than the police, but in many
states if a neighbor in your complex is routinely doing
disruptive/illegal shit next door you have entirely just cause to bust
the lease at that point and move on, perhaps at only the cost of your
security deposit, if that.

It\'s usually the best plan as a tenant-at-will rather than hope anyone
else will solve your problem for you.

If people are breaking into the house and using it to take drugs, the place can be condemned and taken from the owner. That will clean it up. Trouble is the neighbors have to take action to motivate the city. There need to be repeated complaints and likely police involvement. If people have OD\'d in the house, that has to show up on public records. That should be sufficient.

Didn\'t sound like the neighbor\'s house was abandoned/derelict to me,
just some suburban party-house owned and occupied by asswipes, and the
owner hosts parties there or something, and people have ODed there.

No one is going to \"condemn\" shit this isn\'t some crack house in the \'hood.

LOL Multiple ODs and it\'s just a party thing! Yeah, right.

You\'ve never lived on a street with some half-wits down the way who have
house parties with 150 other half-wits roaming around drunk and doing
drugs, firing bottle rockets off til 3 AM on a Sunday morning and people
passed out on the lawn and such? Lived a charmed life if that so...

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Tue, 22 Feb 2022 02:24:08 -0500) it happened bitrex
<user@example.net> wrote in <tc0RJ.37177$r6p7.16440@fx41.iad>:

?

Indeed. Just as reporters make audio recordings of crowds, etc. There is nothing special about sound, as long as they are
informed or if the location is public enough, being informed is not required.


No way, there is something special about real-world conversations, they
fall under wiretapping laws. Private citizens have to obey wiretapping
laws. Basically if it\'s illegal to do to a wire between two telephones
it\'s illegal to do to the vibrating air between two human\'s mouths and
ears. Intent matters of course, recording a crowd or putting up a mic on
your property to record bird songs isn\'t the same thing.

Most modern security cameras have sound too, I have one like that.
There is a TV program here that mentions recent crimes and works with the police
they then ask everybody with a security camera or some other camera
or car camera in that area to upload the stuff, that way they track for example
where the bad guy\'s cars go, (many people have such private cameras).
what language the bad guys speak, and their pictures are then posted in the program
and online.
Sure if something happened here they can have my recordings.
5 security cams here (been robbed twice in Amsterdam).
Last time I was home, poor guy,...

 

[bitrex]

On 2/22/2022 3:46 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Tue, 22 Feb 2022 02:24:08 -0500) it happened bitrex
user@example.net> wrote in <tc0RJ.37177$r6p7.16440@fx41.iad>:

?

Indeed. Just as reporters make audio recordings of crowds, etc. There is nothing special about sound, as long as they are
informed or if the location is public enough, being informed is not required.


No way, there is something special about real-world conversations, they
fall under wiretapping laws. Private citizens have to obey wiretapping
laws. Basically if it\'s illegal to do to a wire between two telephones
it\'s illegal to do to the vibrating air between two human\'s mouths and
ears. Intent matters of course, recording a crowd or putting up a mic on
your property to record bird songs isn\'t the same thing.

Most modern security cameras have sound too, I have one like that.
There is a TV program here that mentions recent crimes and works with the police
they then ask everybody with a security camera or some other camera
or car camera in that area to upload the stuff, that way they track for example
where the bad guy\'s cars go, (many people have such private cameras).
what language the bad guys speak, and their pictures are then posted in the program
and online.
Sure if something happened here they can have my recordings.
5 security cams here (been robbed twice in Amsterdam).
Last time I was home, poor guy,...

I think in the US also there\'s a difference between audio/visual
recording of an area, and targeted audio-only recording, consult your
local statues

 

[David Brown]

On 22/02/2022 09:55, bitrex wrote:

On 2/22/2022 3:46 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 22 Feb 2022 02:24:08 -0500) it happened bitrex
user@example.net> wrote in <tc0RJ.37177$r6p7.16440@fx41.iad>:

?

Indeed.  Just as reporters make audio recordings of crowds, etc. 
There is nothing special about sound, as long as they are
informed or if the location is public enough, being informed is not
required.


No way, there is something special about real-world conversations, they
fall under wiretapping laws. Private citizens have to obey wiretapping
laws. Basically if it\'s illegal to do to a wire between two telephones
it\'s illegal to do to the vibrating air between two human\'s mouths and
ears. Intent matters of course, recording a crowd or putting up a mic on
your property to record bird songs isn\'t the same thing.

Most modern security cameras have sound too, I have one like that.
There is a TV program here that mentions recent crimes and works with
the police
they then ask everybody with a security camera or some other camera
or car camera in that area to upload the stuff, that way they track
for example
where the bad guy\'s cars go, (many people have such private cameras).
what language the bad guys speak, and their pictures are then posted
in the program
and online.
Sure if something happened here they can have my recordings.
5 security cams here (been robbed twice in Amsterdam).
Last time I was home, poor guy,...



I think in the US also there\'s a difference between audio/visual
recording of an area, and targeted audio-only recording, consult your
local statues

That bit is key - the laws and regulations vary widely for different
countries, and probably within countries (I\'m sure that\'s the case for
the USA at least).

 

[bitrex]

On 2/22/2022 3:55 AM, bitrex wrote:

On 2/22/2022 3:46 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 22 Feb 2022 02:24:08 -0500) it happened bitrex
user@example.net> wrote in <tc0RJ.37177$r6p7.16440@fx41.iad>:

?

Indeed.  Just as reporters make audio recordings of crowds, etc.
There is nothing special about sound, as long as they are
informed or if the location is public enough, being informed is not
required.


No way, there is something special about real-world conversations, they
fall under wiretapping laws. Private citizens have to obey wiretapping
laws. Basically if it\'s illegal to do to a wire between two telephones
it\'s illegal to do to the vibrating air between two human\'s mouths and
ears. Intent matters of course, recording a crowd or putting up a mic on
your property to record bird songs isn\'t the same thing.

Most modern security cameras have sound too, I have one like that.
There is a TV program here that mentions recent crimes and works with
the police
they then ask everybody with a security camera or some other camera
or car camera in that area to upload the stuff, that way they track
for example
where the bad guy\'s cars go, (many people have such private cameras).
what language the bad guys speak, and their pictures are then posted
in the program
and online.
Sure if something happened here they can have my recordings.
5 security cams here (been robbed twice in Amsterdam).
Last time I was home, poor guy,...



I think in the US also there\'s a difference between audio/visual
recording of an area, and targeted audio-only recording, consult your
local statues

Oops, \"statutes\", rather. It\'s okay to record statues.

 

[bitrex]

On 2/22/2022 3:59 AM, David Brown wrote:

On 22/02/2022 09:55, bitrex wrote:
On 2/22/2022 3:46 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 22 Feb 2022 02:24:08 -0500) it happened bitrex
user@example.net> wrote in <tc0RJ.37177$r6p7.16440@fx41.iad>:

?

Indeed.  Just as reporters make audio recordings of crowds, etc.
There is nothing special about sound, as long as they are
informed or if the location is public enough, being informed is not
required.


No way, there is something special about real-world conversations, they
fall under wiretapping laws. Private citizens have to obey wiretapping
laws. Basically if it\'s illegal to do to a wire between two telephones
it\'s illegal to do to the vibrating air between two human\'s mouths and
ears. Intent matters of course, recording a crowd or putting up a mic on
your property to record bird songs isn\'t the same thing.

Most modern security cameras have sound too, I have one like that.
There is a TV program here that mentions recent crimes and works with
the police
they then ask everybody with a security camera or some other camera
or car camera in that area to upload the stuff, that way they track
for example
where the bad guy\'s cars go, (many people have such private cameras).
what language the bad guys speak, and their pictures are then posted
in the program
and online.
Sure if something happened here they can have my recordings.
5 security cams here (been robbed twice in Amsterdam).
Last time I was home, poor guy,...



I think in the US also there\'s a difference between audio/visual
recording of an area, and targeted audio-only recording, consult your
local statues

That bit is key - the laws and regulations vary widely for different
countries, and probably within countries (I\'m sure that\'s the case for
the USA at least).

Right, I know targeted audio recording of conversations is considered
very much like wiretapping in the US but how e.g. non-specific AV
recording of areas like with security cameras on private property is
handled exactly, I\'m unsure.

 

[bitrex]

On 2/22/2022 4:05 AM, bitrex wrote:

On 2/22/2022 3:59 AM, David Brown wrote:
On 22/02/2022 09:55, bitrex wrote:
On 2/22/2022 3:46 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 22 Feb 2022 02:24:08 -0500) it happened bitrex
user@example.net> wrote in <tc0RJ.37177$r6p7.16440@fx41.iad>:

?

Indeed.  Just as reporters make audio recordings of crowds, etc.
There is nothing special about sound, as long as they are
informed or if the location is public enough, being informed is not
required.


No way, there is something special about real-world conversations,
they
fall under wiretapping laws. Private citizens have to obey wiretapping
laws. Basically if it\'s illegal to do to a wire between two telephones
it\'s illegal to do to the vibrating air between two human\'s mouths and
ears. Intent matters of course, recording a crowd or putting up a
mic on
your property to record bird songs isn\'t the same thing.

Most modern security cameras have sound too, I have one like that.
There is a TV program here that mentions recent crimes and works with
the police
they then ask everybody with a security camera or some other camera
or car camera in that area to upload the stuff, that way they track
for example
where the bad guy\'s cars go, (many people have such private cameras).
what language the bad guys speak, and their pictures are then posted
in the program
and online.
Sure if something happened here they can have my recordings.
5 security cams here (been robbed twice in Amsterdam).
Last time I was home, poor guy,...



I think in the US also there\'s a difference between audio/visual
recording of an area, and targeted audio-only recording, consult your
local statues

That bit is key - the laws and regulations vary widely for different
countries, and probably within countries (I\'m sure that\'s the case for
the USA at least).


Right, I know targeted audio recording of conversations is considered
very much like wiretapping in the US but how e.g. non-specific AV
recording of areas like with security cameras on private property is
handled exactly, I\'m unsure.

Or rather, all the US states are remarkably consistent on the first
point at least.