45-degree diagonal cutters?

[Wild_Bill]

I'm not playing this game, but you're entirely incorrect that there are no
hand tool cutters that are capable of, or intended to withstand the cutting
forces of steel.

Cotter pins, safety lockwire, steel fence wire and various other steel wire
products are routinely cut with hand tool diagonal cutters or wire cutters
that are not specifically made for copper or aluminum only.
Many quality wiring pliers/crimpers/strippers include screw cutters, that
cut steel screws without any damage to the tool.

The cutters don't have to be big Channelock, Klein or other industrial duty
models.
I have miniature cutters that I've cut steel wire with for many years
without damage, and have also been used to cut small springs. The cutting
edges are unharmed.

My Channelock side cutters and several other wire cutters I own have cut
lots of nails, been used to pull nails and large steel staples, even at the
tips of the cutting edges, without damage to the tools.
I don't try to cut drywall screws with them, or twist drills, or endmills.
They still cut stranded or solid copper wire and cables just fine, and nylon
cord or steel coat hanger wire or any other materials that I need them to
cut, essentially like they were still new.

The only attention that these cutters and pliers have needed in many years
of use, is an occasional 1 or 2 drops of oil at the hinge, and proper
storage.

There's no need, or point for any typical hostile anarchist replies. I don't
play these games.

--
Cheers,
WB
..............

There are no cutters that should be used on ANY fucking steel wire,
much less nails.

 

[life imitates life]

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 08:13:30 -0500, "Wild_Bill"
<wb_wildbill@XSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

Cotter pins, safety lockwire, steel fence wire and various other steel wire
products are routinely cut with hand tool diagonal cutters or wire cutters
that are not specifically made for copper or aluminum only.
Many quality wiring pliers/crimpers/strippers include screw cutters, that
cut steel screws without any damage to the tool.

I have a pair of twister pliers for lock wire. They are not actually
meant to be use to CUT the wire either, even though they have side
cutters incorporated into them. Any monkey knows how to flex fracture
wire that uses a medium that work hardens. That is the right way to
"cut" lock wire. In fact, one is supposed to use the side cutter to
simply score the wire a bit, and then the number of flexes is reduced to
just a few.

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <0Swen.297832$N07.65656@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com>,
Wild_Bill <wb_wildbill@XSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

My Channelock side cutters and several other wire cutters I own have cut
lots of nails, been used to pull nails and large steel staples, even at
the tips of the cutting edges, without damage to the tools. I don't try
to cut drywall screws with them, or twist drills, or endmills. They
still cut stranded or solid copper wire and cables just fine, and nylon
cord or steel coat hanger wire or any other materials that I need them
to cut, essentially like they were still new.

The only attention that these cutters and pliers have needed in many
years of use, is an occasional 1 or 2 drops of oil at the hinge, and
proper storage.

There's no need, or point for any typical hostile anarchist replies. I
don't play these games.

Shear type cutters would have to be vastly heavier to cut wire etc - they
have a tendency to spring open when doing this. Bolt cutters are simply a
heavy duty version of side cutters.

--
*People want trepanners like they want a hole in the head*

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

 

[life imitates life]

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:06:01 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
<dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

In article <0Swen.297832$N07.65656@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com>,
Wild_Bill <wb_wildbill@XSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
My Channelock side cutters and several other wire cutters I own have cut
lots of nails, been used to pull nails and large steel staples, even at
the tips of the cutting edges, without damage to the tools. I don't try
to cut drywall screws with them, or twist drills, or endmills. They
still cut stranded or solid copper wire and cables just fine, and nylon
cord or steel coat hanger wire or any other materials that I need them
to cut, essentially like they were still new.

The only attention that these cutters and pliers have needed in many
years of use, is an occasional 1 or 2 drops of oil at the hinge, and
proper storage.

There's no need, or point for any typical hostile anarchist replies. I
don't play these games.

Shear type cutters would have to be vastly heavier to cut wire etc - they
have a tendency to spring open when doing this. Bolt cutters are simply a
heavy duty version of side cutters.

A shear cutter for wire looks NOTHING like the shear cutter in your
tiny brain, boy. You refer to a sheet metal shear. You are a stupid
little twit. Shear cutter for wire is like the little screw cutter in
the all purpose wire stripper/crimper/cutter tool you should be aware of.

Alas, you should also be aware of what the shear operation is. The
fact that you obviously envisioned that I was referring to a pair of
scissors tell us that you have very little grasp of the mechanics, much
less the tools being used in the industry.

 

[Greegor]

On Feb 16, 7:13 am, "Wild_Bill" wrote:
WB > [...] There's no need, or point for any typical
WB > hostile anarchist replies. I don't play these games.

That's an interesting take on this "life imitates life" nym shifter.
It would explain the "Always Wrong" moniker though!

I wonder if in real life he's really the
angry radicalized sociopathic misfit
he appears to be on usenet...

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <r2cln5h59mvl4bedcdbgq4omoatgvqhveb@4ax.com>,
life imitates life <pasticcio@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:

Shear type cutters would have to be vastly heavier to cut wire etc -
they have a tendency to spring open when doing this. Bolt cutters are
simply a heavy duty version of side cutters.

A shear cutter for wire looks NOTHING like the shear cutter in your
tiny brain, boy. You refer to a sheet metal shear. You are a stupid
little twit. Shear cutter for wire is like the little screw cutter in
the all purpose wire stripper/crimper/cutter tool you should be aware of.

Don't use 'all purpose tools. You really should walk past that pound shop.

Alas, you should also be aware of what the shear operation is. The
fact that you obviously envisioned that I was referring to a pair of
scissors tell us that you have very little grasp of the mechanics, much
less the tools being used in the industry.

Have you moved on to production now? Different ball game.

--
*Where there's a will, I want to be in it.

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

 

[life imitates life]

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:29:59 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
<dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

Don't use 'all purpose tools. You really should walk past that pound shop.

It was an example of the mechanism, dipshit. It has nothing to do with

the tool suggested to examine for a dippy twit like you to understand the
concept by.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

life imitates life wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:15:12 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

What compromise? You're a vindictive jackass. You sghould have kept
your toolbox locked if you didn't want people messing with it.

It was *my* prototype parts cabinets, and fuck you, and the horse that
rode in up your mother's ass.

I was the eight year tenured engineering tech, and he was the newly
hired, no HV experience whatsoever test tech, *at best*.

He had no business anywhere near ANY of my things, including my desk or
ANYTHING that was in MY LAB, including my benches, cabinets, desk,
computer, etc. etc. etc. He had no business there, which was not even
where he was assigned to work from to begin with. NONE of my things
needed to be locked up before the little zit faced bastard showed up, so
they should have shit canned him as soon as I declared the severe ethics
breech and character flaw.

You're a dopey bastard if you think every company has enclosed labs for
everyone. Like I originally stated, I caught him as I came downstairs
because I had to traverse the balcony area to get to the staircase. It
is a wide open lab from several pathways. Never a problem until the guy
that apparently acts just like you would got hired.

Fuck you, and him.

You're till a homo, I see, dimbulb.


--
Greed is the root of all eBay.

 

[life imitates life]

On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 00:41:13 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

life imitates life wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:15:12 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

What compromise? You're a vindictive jackass. You sghould have kept
your toolbox locked if you didn't want people messing with it.

It was *my* prototype parts cabinets, and fuck you, and the horse that
rode in up your mother's ass.

I was the eight year tenured engineering tech, and he was the newly
hired, no HV experience whatsoever test tech, *at best*.

He had no business anywhere near ANY of my things, including my desk or
ANYTHING that was in MY LAB, including my benches, cabinets, desk,
computer, etc. etc. etc. He had no business there, which was not even
where he was assigned to work from to begin with. NONE of my things
needed to be locked up before the little zit faced bastard showed up, so
they should have shit canned him as soon as I declared the severe ethics
breech and character flaw.

You're a dopey bastard if you think every company has enclosed labs for
everyone. Like I originally stated, I caught him as I came downstairs
because I had to traverse the balcony area to get to the staircase. It
is a wide open lab from several pathways. Never a problem until the guy
that apparently acts just like you would got hired.

Fuck you, and him.


You're till a homo, I see, dimbulb.

No, dumbfuck. I never was, so you never "saw" a goddamned thing, not
that your retarded genes ever could.

Fuck off, you little sub-human scumbag. I hope your jaw kills you...
soon.

 

[Ban]

Wild_Bill wrote:

I'm not playing this game, but you're entirely incorrect that there
are no hand tool cutters that are capable of, or intended to
withstand the cutting forces of steel.

Cotter pins, safety lockwire, steel fence wire and various other
steel wire products are routinely cut with hand tool diagonal cutters
or wire cutters that are not specifically made for copper or aluminum
only. Many quality wiring pliers/crimpers/strippers include screw cutters,
that cut steel screws without any damage to the tool.

The cutters don't have to be big Channelock, Klein or other
industrial duty models.
I have miniature cutters that I've cut steel wire with for many years
without damage, and have also been used to cut small springs. The
cutting edges are unharmed.

My Channelock side cutters and several other wire cutters I own have
cut lots of nails, been used to pull nails and large steel staples,
even at the tips of the cutting edges, without damage to the tools.
I don't try to cut drywall screws with them, or twist drills, or
endmills. They still cut stranded or solid copper wire and cables
just fine, and nylon cord or steel coat hanger wire or any other
materials that I need them to cut, essentially like they were still
new.
The only attention that these cutters and pliers have needed in many
years of use, is an occasional 1 or 2 drops of oil at the hinge, and
proper storage.

right, I have here a pair of wirecutters made by Belzer (Titan2000) which I
bought in '86. Sill perfect with a small spring that keeps the cut wires
from flying into your eyes.
ciao Ban

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <115mn5ls4jgr19tfso5q2ou64u3c42u8s8@4ax.com>,
life imitates life <pasticcio@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:

Don't use 'all purpose tools. You really should walk past that pound
shop.

It was an example of the mechanism, dipshit. It has nothing to do with
the tool suggested to examine for a dippy twit like you to understand the
concept by.

Think you're the one who needs to understand basic engineering principles.
And actually get some hands on experience before spouting your rubbish.

--
*When the going gets tough, the tough take a coffee break *

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <qkbln5dscr39tdk0cbnh3v2gpefa48gtdm@4ax.com>,
life imitates life <pasticcio@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:

I have a pair of twister pliers for lock wire. They are not actually
meant to be use to CUT the wire either, even though they have side
cutters incorporated into them. Any monkey knows how to flex fracture
wire that uses a medium that work hardens. That is the right way to
"cut" lock wire. In fact, one is supposed to use the side cutter to
simply score the wire a bit, and then the number of flexes is reduced to
just a few.

Lock wire is soft steel. If you have pliers not able to cut that, put them
back in the kid's play box where they came from.

--
*Why is the word abbreviation so long? *

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

 

[life imitates life]

On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:48:10 +0100, "Ban" <bansuri@web.de> wrote:

Wild_Bill wrote:
I'm not playing this game, but you're entirely incorrect that there
are no hand tool cutters that are capable of, or intended to
withstand the cutting forces of steel.

Cotter pins, safety lockwire, steel fence wire and various other
steel wire products are routinely cut with hand tool diagonal cutters
or wire cutters that are not specifically made for copper or aluminum
only. Many quality wiring pliers/crimpers/strippers include screw cutters,
that cut steel screws without any damage to the tool.

The cutters don't have to be big Channelock, Klein or other
industrial duty models.
I have miniature cutters that I've cut steel wire with for many years
without damage, and have also been used to cut small springs. The
cutting edges are unharmed.

My Channelock side cutters and several other wire cutters I own have
cut lots of nails, been used to pull nails and large steel staples,
even at the tips of the cutting edges, without damage to the tools.
I don't try to cut drywall screws with them, or twist drills, or
endmills. They still cut stranded or solid copper wire and cables
just fine, and nylon cord or steel coat hanger wire or any other
materials that I need them to cut, essentially like they were still
new.
The only attention that these cutters and pliers have needed in many
years of use, is an occasional 1 or 2 drops of oil at the hinge, and
proper storage.


right, I have here a pair of wirecutters made by Belzer (Titan2000) which I
bought in '86. Sill perfect with a small spring that keeps the cut wires
from flying into your eyes.
ciao Ban

Yes, but would you ever use them to cut piano wire?

I rest my case.

 

[life imitates life]

On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:41:45 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
<dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

In article <115mn5ls4jgr19tfso5q2ou64u3c42u8s8@4ax.com>,
life imitates life <pasticcio@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
Don't use 'all purpose tools. You really should walk past that pound
shop.

It was an example of the mechanism, dipshit. It has nothing to do with
the tool suggested to examine for a dippy twit like you to understand the
concept by.

Think you're the one who needs to understand basic engineering principles.
And actually get some hands on experience before spouting your rubbish.

No, you taking the suggestion to examine a multi use tool for the shear
action of the bolt cutters they have, and claiming some stupidity about
how cheap such a tool usually is, is what I was talking about, you
fucking idiot.. Since you are such an utter fucking dope, I thought I
would use an easy example for you. You missed the entire premise.

You missed all of it. Particularly since you think that flush cutting
side cutters were ever made for cutting piano wire. You are pathetic.
You know NOTHING about tools whatsoever. Your remarks in this thread
alone proves that fact.

 

[life imitates life]

On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:44:56 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
<dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

In article <qkbln5dscr39tdk0cbnh3v2gpefa48gtdm@4ax.com>,
life imitates life <pasticcio@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
I have a pair of twister pliers for lock wire. They are not actually
meant to be use to CUT the wire either, even though they have side
cutters incorporated into them. Any monkey knows how to flex fracture
wire that uses a medium that work hardens. That is the right way to
"cut" lock wire. In fact, one is supposed to use the side cutter to
simply score the wire a bit, and then the number of flexes is reduced to
just a few.

Lock wire is soft steel. If you have pliers not able to cut that, put them
back in the kid's play box where they came from.

Lock wire is NOT "soft steel" you complete and utter retard. It is a
very specialized, high tensile strength wire. Soft steel does not get
made into wire AT ALL.

You really are one stupid fucktard.

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <8jsnn5drq0a8cfpp0uk7hrj00imq1f5q92@4ax.com>,
life imitates life <pasticcio@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:

Think you're the one who needs to understand basic engineering principles.
And actually get some hands on experience before spouting your rubbish.

No, you taking the suggestion to examine a multi use tool for the shear
action of the bolt cutters they have, and claiming some stupidity about
how cheap such a tool usually is, is what I was talking about, you
fucking idiot.. Since you are such an utter fucking dope, I thought I
would use an easy example for you. You missed the entire premise.

Bolt cutters are the same in principle as side cutters. Do you know
anything about tools?

You missed all of it. Particularly since you think that flush cutting
side cutters were ever made for cutting piano wire. You are pathetic.
You know NOTHING about tools whatsoever. Your remarks in this thread
alone proves that fact.

And you've just proved any information you have comes from Google. Not
from hands on experience.

--
*In "Casablanca", Humphrey Bogart never said "Play it again, Sam" *

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

 

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In article <qpsnn5hg683uqg5p7rmk73hdafa541fv5b@4ax.com>,
life imitates life <pasticcio@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:

Lock wire is NOT "soft steel" you complete and utter retard. It is a
very specialized, high tensile strength wire. Soft steel does not get
made into wire AT ALL.

You really are one stupid fucktard.

Seems you know nothing of even US suppliers.

http://www.malinco.com/

It comes in many varieties.

--
*The most wasted day of all is one in which we have not laughed.*

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

life imitates life wrote:

On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 00:41:13 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:


life imitates life wrote:

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:15:12 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:

What compromise? You're a vindictive jackass. You sghould have kept
your toolbox locked if you didn't want people messing with it.

It was *my* prototype parts cabinets, and fuck you, and the horse that
rode in up your mother's ass.

I was the eight year tenured engineering tech, and he was the newly
hired, no HV experience whatsoever test tech, *at best*.

He had no business anywhere near ANY of my things, including my desk or
ANYTHING that was in MY LAB, including my benches, cabinets, desk,
computer, etc. etc. etc. He had no business there, which was not even
where he was assigned to work from to begin with. NONE of my things
needed to be locked up before the little zit faced bastard showed up, so
they should have shit canned him as soon as I declared the severe ethics
breech and character flaw.

You're a dopey bastard if you think every company has enclosed labs for
everyone. Like I originally stated, I caught him as I came downstairs
because I had to traverse the balcony area to get to the staircase. It
is a wide open lab from several pathways. Never a problem until the guy
that apparently acts just like you would got hired.

Fuck you, and him.


You're till a homo, I see, dimbulb.

No, dumbfuck. I never was, so you never "saw" a goddamned thing, not
that your retarded genes ever could.

Fuck off, you little sub-human scumbag. I hope your jaw kills you...
soon.

In other words, your still a subhuman bastard.




--
Greed is the root of all eBay.

 

[life imitates life]

On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:09:05 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
<dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

In article <8jsnn5drq0a8cfpp0uk7hrj00imq1f5q92@4ax.com>,
life imitates life <pasticcio@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
Think you're the one who needs to understand basic engineering principles.
And actually get some hands on experience before spouting your rubbish.


No, you taking the suggestion to examine a multi use tool for the shear
action of the bolt cutters they have, and claiming some stupidity about
how cheap such a tool usually is, is what I was talking about, you
fucking idiot.. Since you are such an utter fucking dope, I thought I
would use an easy example for you. You missed the entire premise.

Bolt cutters are the same in principle as side cutters. Do you know
anything about tools?

YOU are WRONG AGAIN! Dumbfuck! I am not talking about a three foot
long tool, dumbass. THey utilize a pincer operating mechanism. Not that
you could ever have a grasp of metal working methodologies.

Do you even know what a shear operation is?

Fuck naming a tool. DO YOU KNOW WHAT A SHEAR OPERATION IS?

I have serious doubts that you know a goddamned thing about it.

You missed all of it. Particularly since you think that flush cutting
side cutters were ever made for cutting piano wire. You are pathetic.
You know NOTHING about tools whatsoever. Your remarks in this thread
alone proves that fact.

And you've just proved any information you have comes from Google. Not
from hands on experience.

You are an IDIOT. I was building racing engines in 1970! You dumb
motherfucker. I wouldn't need Google to drop your ass in the idiot bin
EVER. You get there all on your own!

Remember? You are the fucking retard that said that lock wire was made
from soft steel!

 

[life imitates life]

On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:14:02 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
<dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

In article <qpsnn5hg683uqg5p7rmk73hdafa541fv5b@4ax.com>,
life imitates life <pasticcio@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
Lock wire is NOT "soft steel" you complete and utter retard. It is a
very specialized, high tensile strength wire. Soft steel does not get
made into wire AT ALL.

You really are one stupid fucktard.

Seems you know nothing of even US suppliers.

http://www.malinco.com/

It comes in many varieties.

There is NO lock wire that is "soft steel" as you declared, you dumb
fucktard. And all the dancing in the world will not allow you to achieve
escape velocity from your utter stupidity.

LOCK WIRE IS HIGH STRENGTH STAINLESS.

YOU are a goddamned retard.