Wind turbines used to absorb a power surplus?...

[Andrew]

On 03/04/2023 00:06, Bob F wrote:

On 4/2/2023 8:40 AM, Andrew wrote:
On 18/03/2023 19:09, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/18/2023 2:44 PM, alan_m wrote:
On 18/03/2023 17:34, Rod Speed wrote:

Ours are read 4 times a year and it takes a lot more than 30
seconds to read.

Where I live it was more like once every two years. Knock on the
door with torch in hand, read the figures on two meters, figures
entered in hand held pad, goodbye.



Never heard or that long.  Been once a month here for over 70 years
that I know of.  30 seconds?  Really?  So five minutes for 10 houses.
Try it and get back to us.

My electric meter hasn\'t been read for at least 10 years.

It was last changed from whirly-wheel to digital in 1997.

EDF Send me an email and I log into their website and put
my readings in. I\'ve been here for 30 years so they know
how much leccy I use.


You say it hasn\'t been read in 10 years, and then you say you read it
every time they ask. Which is it?

They have not read it for over 10 years. Every 3 months they send
me an email requesting a reading which I submit using their
online system and they generate an electronic bill which I pay
online too.

 

[Andrew]

On 03/04/2023 20:23, rbowman wrote:

On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 12:03:29 -0400, Ed P wrote:

On 4/3/2023 11:13 AM, SteveW wrote:


Probably like mine. I give them a reading every month, and they seem
to believe it. Haven\'t seen their reader in years.

I\'ve had my smart meters manually read three times in the 5 months
since they were installed! Why?


They forgot to put in a new floppy disc in the computer that reads them.

I may be one of the few people who never watched \'The X Files\' in its
heyday. I recently discovered it on FreeVee. Except for the cars many of
the plot lines are timeless but one episode where they use a floppy to
load malware to destroy an out of control AI gives it away.

I still have a 3.5 inch floppy disk drive in my PC, but it is
disconnected.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 04/04/2023 19:55, Andrew wrote:

On 02/04/2023 20:40, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/04/2023 16:13, Andrew wrote:
On 01/04/2023 13:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

No massive interconnectors. No need for France or Germany.
No need for batteries.
No need for heatumps. Eletcricity would be cheap enough to just use
an electric boiler.
No need for any renewable energy whatsoever.
Electricity at 10p a unit max.


ROFL. If only.


Its all perfectly feasible and it was done back in the 1950s

you have been fed a line of bullshit, and not only have you swallowed
it, you have learnt to enjoy it.


Ah, yes, I seem to remember some historic programs when
Lizzie2 opened Windscale - \"Too cheap to meter\" (Just
ignore the cleanup and decommissioning costs)

Again all completely wrong

--
The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to
rule.
– H. L. Mencken, American journalist, 1880-1956

 

[SteveW]

On 04/04/2023 20:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 04/04/2023 19:55, Andrew wrote:
On 02/04/2023 20:40, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/04/2023 16:13, Andrew wrote:
On 01/04/2023 13:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

No massive interconnectors. No need for France or Germany.
No need for batteries.
No need for heatumps. Eletcricity would be cheap enough to just use
an electric boiler.
No need for any renewable energy whatsoever.
Electricity at 10p a unit max.


ROFL. If only.


Its all perfectly feasible and it was done back in the 1950s

you have been fed a line of bullshit, and not only have you swallowed
it, you have learnt to enjoy it.


Ah, yes, I seem to remember some historic programs when
Lizzie2 opened Windscale - \"Too cheap to meter\" (Just
ignore the cleanup and decommissioning costs)

Again all completely wrong

Much of the clean-up and decommissioning costs are due to the
development being rushed and slanted towards producing supplies for
weapons rather than for energy.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 04/04/2023 20:21, SteveW wrote:

On 04/04/2023 20:13, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/04/2023 19:55, Andrew wrote:
On 02/04/2023 20:40, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/04/2023 16:13, Andrew wrote:
On 01/04/2023 13:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

No massive interconnectors. No need for France or Germany.
No need for batteries.
No need for heatumps. Eletcricity would be cheap enough to just
use an electric boiler.
No need for any renewable energy whatsoever.
Electricity at 10p a unit max.


ROFL. If only.


Its all perfectly feasible and it was done back in the 1950s

you have been fed a line of bullshit, and not only have you
swallowed it, you have learnt to enjoy it.


Ah, yes, I seem to remember some historic programs when
Lizzie2 opened Windscale - \"Too cheap to meter\" (Just
ignore the cleanup and decommissioning costs)

Again all completely wrong

Much of the clean-up and decommissioning costs are due to the
development being rushed and slanted towards producing supplies for
weapons rather than for energy.

And are not intrinsic to the technology, but to the political and
sociall opposition engendered by nations who have large supplies of
fossil fuel to sell you.

--
\"The great thing about Glasgow is that if there\'s a nuclear attack it\'ll
look exactly the same afterwards.\"

Billy Connolly

 

[Vir Campestris]

On 03/04/2023 13:51, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 03/04/2023 10:47, Vir Campestris wrote:


Warm is only good up to a point. There are large and growing desert
areas in Africa, which also has one of the worlds highest population
growth rates.

Actually there is evidence the Sahel is in fact shrinking. as is the
Sahara inside it

Source?

I find

<https://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=244804>

which is 2018, but says it has grown 10% in a hundred years.

Andy

 

[rbowman]

On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 20:07:48 +0100, Andrew wrote:

On 03/04/2023 20:23, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 12:03:29 -0400, Ed P wrote:

On 4/3/2023 11:13 AM, SteveW wrote:


Probably like mine. I give them a reading every month, and they seem
to believe it. Haven\'t seen their reader in years.

I\'ve had my smart meters manually read three times in the 5 months
since they were installed! Why?


They forgot to put in a new floppy disc in the computer that reads
them.

I may be one of the few people who never watched \'The X Files\' in its
heyday. I recently discovered it on FreeVee. Except for the cars many
of the plot lines are timeless but one episode where they use a floppy
to load malware to destroy an out of control AI gives it away.

I still have a 3.5 inch floppy disk drive in my PC, but it is
disconnected.

Our PM was going through the file cabinets of an employee who left and
found some 5 1/4 floppies. I\'m sure there was some valuable information on
them. The company hasn\'t been around long enough to have squirreled away
any 8\" floppies.

 

[rbowman]

On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 20:03:55 +0100, Andrew wrote:

New Zealand and Oz send their poorer quality (fatty) meat for export to
the PAcific Islands.

I think they also send their mutton to the US giving a new meaning to
mutton dressed as lamb.

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

tirsdag den 4. april 2023 kl. 21.04.04 UTC+2 skrev Andrew:

On 02/04/2023 17:38, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 16:37:44 +0100, Andrew <Andr...@btinternet.com
wrote:

On 18/03/2023 17:49, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-03-18, alan_m <ju...@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On 18/03/2023 15:02, micky wrote:

Having a smart meter means they no longer have to send meter readers, so
that saves a lot of money in the long run.

Using your argument about 15 minutes for a smart meter installation per
house not costing a lot the 30 seconds to read a meter once every 12
months

Prior to smart meters, ours were read once a month. The meter reader
had to trudge from house to house--they\'re about 40 meters apart on
my road, although it\'s twice that from my house to the one to the
south. Multiply that by 155 million customers in the U.S. It adds up.


America has an obesity \'problem\'. All that trudging means lots
of exercise for the meter readers



I think it\'s partly genetic. Some people didn\'t evolve with ice cream
and cheesecake and giant cheezy pizzas. Africans and Pacific Islanders
tend to blimp out on a junk-food diet.


New Zealand and Oz send their poorer quality (fatty) meat
for export to the PAcific Islands.

fatty meat is poor quality? that must be why wagyu beef is so cheap

 

[John Larkin]

On 4 Apr 2023 23:51:22 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 20:03:55 +0100, Andrew wrote:

New Zealand and Oz send their poorer quality (fatty) meat for export to
the PAcific Islands.

I think they also send their mutton to the US giving a new meaning to
mutton dressed as lamb.

I\'ve never seen mutton for sale in a supermarket, or on a restaurant
menu here in the USA. Lamb chops are rarely available.

Sheep are grown here mostly for wool. Knitting has become a fad, not
just among women.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Tue, 04 Apr 2023 01:47:35 +1000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 10:47:47 +0100, Vir Campestris wrote:

Warm is only good up to a point. There are large and growing desert
areas in Africa, which also has one of the worlds highest population
growth rates.

When the species outgrows the carrying capacity

Not going to happen with humans.

it will die back. Unless
dogooders send food, that is.

 

[Rod Speed]

On Tue, 04 Apr 2023 03:12:45 +1000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

On 02/04/2023 20:40, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/04/2023 16:13, Andrew wrote:
On 01/04/2023 13:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

No massive interconnectors. No need for France or Germany.
No need for batteries.
No need for heatumps. Eletcricity would be cheap enough to just use
an electric boiler.
No need for any renewable energy whatsoever.
Electricity at 10p a unit max.


ROFL. If only.


Its all perfectly feasible and it was done back in the 1950s

That\'s what the papers said when they misinterpreted the half life of
uranium and said that electricity would be too cheap to meter.

Its what the frogs proved only a little later than that.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:46:27 PM UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:

On Tue, 04 Apr 2023 03:12:45 +1000, Max Demian <max_d...@bigfoot.com
wrote:

On 02/04/2023 20:40, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/04/2023 16:13, Andrew wrote:
On 01/04/2023 13:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

No massive interconnectors. No need for France or Germany.
No need for batteries.
No need for heatumps. Eletcricity would be cheap enough to just use
an electric boiler.
No need for any renewable energy whatsoever.
Electricity at 10p a unit max.


ROFL. If only.


Its all perfectly feasible and it was done back in the 1950s

That\'s what the papers said when they misinterpreted the half life of
uranium and said that electricity would be too cheap to meter.

Its what the frogs proved only a little later than that.

What the French proved is that you can dress up your nuclear weapons program as a nuclear power generation program and more or less get away with it.

It provides expensive base-line electric power, but the generators are pretty inflexible, so you need grid-storage or fast-start gas-turbine power generators to deal with load peaks. And you still need to deal with the fission waste, some of which is very radioactive and some of which stays dangerously radioactive for hundreds of thousands of years.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 05/04/2023 01:28, John Larkin wrote:

On 4 Apr 2023 23:51:22 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 20:03:55 +0100, Andrew wrote:

New Zealand and Oz send their poorer quality (fatty) meat for export to
the PAcific Islands.

I think they also send their mutton to the US giving a new meaning to
mutton dressed as lamb.

I\'ve never seen mutton for sale in a supermarket, or on a restaurant
menu here in the USA. Lamb chops are rarely available.

Sheep are grown here mostly for wool. Knitting has become a fad, not
just among women.

Technically there is lamb, hogget and mutton. Most \'lamb\' is hogget -
balanced between flavourless and too tough.

Since most lamb is reared for meat, there is very little mutton
available on the market.

--
“The fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that
the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.\"

- Bertrand Russell

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 05 Apr 2023 15:46:11 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH more of the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit
unread>

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 05 Apr 2023 14:14:43 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
Norman Wells addressing trolling senile Rodent:
\"Ah, the voice of scum speaks.\"
MID: <g4t0jtFrknaU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On 4 Apr 2023 23:48:34 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

Our PM was going through the file cabinets of an employee who left and
found some 5 1/4 floppies. I\'m sure there was some valuable information on
them. The company hasn\'t been around long enough to have squirreled away
any 8\" floppies.

NO information can be as valuable as all the sick senile drivel you pass on
in these poor ngs every day, senile bigmouth!

--
More of the senile gossip\'s absolutely idiotic senile blather:
\"I stopped for breakfast at a diner in Virginia when the state didn\'t do
DST. I remarked on the time difference and the crusty old waitress said
\'We keep God\'s time in Virginia.\'

I also lived in Ft. Wayne for a while.\"

MID: <t0tjfa$6r5$1@dont-email.me>

 

[Peeler]

On 4 Apr 2023 23:51:22 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

I think they also send their mutton to the US giving a new meaning to
mutton dressed as lamb.

I think you are a pathological driveling senile shithead who simply can\'t
get enough of hearing herself talking!

--
More of the resident senile bigmouth\'s idiotic \"cool\" blather:
\"For reasons I can\'t recall I painted a spare bedroom in purple. It may
have had something to do with copious quantities of cheap Scotch.\"
MID: <k89lchF8b4pU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-04-05, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On 4 Apr 2023 23:51:22 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 20:03:55 +0100, Andrew wrote:

New Zealand and Oz send their poorer quality (fatty) meat for export to
the PAcific Islands.

I think they also send their mutton to the US giving a new meaning to
mutton dressed as lamb.

I\'ve never seen mutton for sale in a supermarket, or on a restaurant
menu here in the USA. Lamb chops are rarely available.

Not in a supermarket. I bet we could find it in a Middle Eastern or
Latino grocery, alongside the goat.

Even my supermarket has lamb chops, and it\'s a Walmart knockoff with
everything from apples to apple trees.

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 05/04/2023 11:02, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

On 2023-04-05, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On 4 Apr 2023 23:51:22 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 20:03:55 +0100, Andrew wrote:

New Zealand and Oz send their poorer quality (fatty) meat for export to
the PAcific Islands.

I think they also send their mutton to the US giving a new meaning to
mutton dressed as lamb.

I\'ve never seen mutton for sale in a supermarket, or on a restaurant
menu here in the USA. Lamb chops are rarely available.

Not in a supermarket. I bet we could find it in a Middle Eastern or
Latino grocery, alongside the goat.

Years ago when my sister first emigrated to Germany and before she
became a post menopausal raving vegan and ecotard, the only place she
could get lamb was in the Turkish immigrant community
German food is pretty good quality, but it\'s massively short of variety.
Beef venison or pork and that\'s about it. Being largely landlocked,
apart from carp they don\'t do much fish either.

The most common potato variety is however excellent. which is a good
thing because that\'s about the only one you can get.

Even my supermarket has lamb chops, and it\'s a Walmart knockoff with
everything from apples to apple trees.

I don\'t know where they source it, but my local Waitrose\'s lamb is 50%
more expensive than the butchers but tastes twice as good, as does their
pork.


--
\"I am inclined to tell the truth and dislike people who lie consistently.
This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and
all women\"