Why do circuit breakers go up for on and down for off?...

On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 1:18:18 AM UTC+10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/06/2023 15:09, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 08:35:29 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 22/06/2023 08:22, Jeff Gaines wrote:
On 22/06/2023 in message <u70s65$37pg0$1...@dont-email.me> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/06/2023 18:44, jon wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 17:16:01 +0100, Fredxx wrote:
On 21/06/2023 10:14, jon wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jun 2023 06:57:13 +0000, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2023-06-21, Commander Kinsey <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 10 May 2023 22:04:54 +0100, Carlos E.R. <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-05-10 22:31, Bob F wrote:
On 3/12/2023 7:43 PM, ? Mighty Wannabe ? wrote:
rbowman wrote on 3/12/2023 10:05 PM:
On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 00:30:39 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 03:09:14 -0000, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 15:05:31 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

<snip>

I\'m sure glad that you don\'t design electronics.

Oh, but I do.
Or did.

Any anonymous troll can make that kind of claim. John Larkin makes it and he isn\'t even anonymous, though he doesn\'t seem to understand what design means.

Post a circuit diagram that you\'ve imagined that you have designed, and we might take you seriously. Here\'s something I did

http://sophia-elektronica.com/BillsBaxandall.html

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Sat, 13 May 2023 08:31:20 +0100, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On 5/12/2023 9:53 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-05-13 02:40, Paul wrote:

Having one derailment per day, is a testament to the
technical sophistication of rail.

Only in the USA.

There is more than one rail company, and set of rail lines.

A company that is not capitalized properly, can\'t really
afford to fix anything.

The tracks that are used for passenger rail, are likely
better than some of these little spur lines.

*******

When the Hudsons Bay line flooded out, and there was
a lot of track damage, the owners didn\'t want to fix it,
so a group bought the line, and that group paid to fix it up.

A railway flooded here - the pipes under it to take a stream\'s water got blocked. For weeks on end, no train driver was observant enough to spot the forming lake to the side. Then the water decided to cause 2 million of damage by shoving the railway to one side. And 200K damage to a private property (a charity), which the railway company refused to pay out.
 
On Mon, 22 May 2023 21:25:54 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 22 May 2023 06:47:12 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

People here in California handle roundabouts (aka traffic circles)
pretty well. They are better than waiting minutes for lights to
sequence. But not many people drift them. DGMS on driving in Boston or
New Jersey.

I drove OK in Ireland, on the wrong side of the horrible roads, but the
roundabouts were challenging.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTL5x9rSIx8

That\'s one of the larger diameter roundabouts and one of the first to be
built. They loved it so much...

https://medium.com/griz-renter-blog/adopt-a-traffic-circle-231733110421

That\'s the local idea of a traffic circle. Few of them look that pristine
for long. Moving vans, fifth-wheel trailers, and so forth don\'t have much
choice other than running over them.

Dafuq? \"They aren\'t roundabouts they\'re traffic circles\"? Err..... same thing.

These things are stupid:
https://chronicleillinois.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Lake-090518-Gurnee-roundabout-PHOTO.jpg
I run over them in my car. Why bother turning?

At least the roundabout aprons are
tapered down to meet the pavement so you don\'t get thump - thump - thump.

They are better than the \'bulb-outs\' that force bicycles out into the
traffic lane in interest of safety.

There\'s one here on a blind bend going downhill, so cars are forced to try to swerve round unsuspecting pedestrians on sheet ice in winter. And they set the priority for the uphill so the poor drivers didn\'t have to do a hill start. Yes, much better to make them try to stop going downhill towards a pedestrian. I told the council I awaited the first death with glee and would be there in court to laugh at the council\'s decision. I was ignored.
 
On Sun, 21 May 2023 14:44:34 +0100, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

On 5/21/2023 12:04 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 25 Apr 2023 21:29:36 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 25 Apr 2023 20:30:03 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 05:34:17 +0100, John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

Some of us need oxygen when we ski hard at 8200 feet with a camera in
one hand and two poles in the other.

You were stood still!

You might notice that I didn\'t start filming at the top of the
mountain.

Just how long does it take to get your breath back?

Where do you ski? How high?

Rarely since there\'s not much snow in Scotland. Look up Glenshee.
Then ask them about the guy who skied in a tartan thong for a dare.

Yeah, you could take lessons there. You won\'t get any altitude sickness off that :)

That\'s the easy side. Try this: https://www.ski-glenshee.co.uk/pubd/images/5475c5ec-piste-map.jpg

> https://www.ski-glenshee.co.uk/pubd/images/upd/178d6731720-GT-Side-On-Compressed.1900.jpg

I\'d like to see that being driven there in winter.
 
On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 3:12:14 AM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 19 May 2023 03:51:45 +0100, John Larkin <jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Fri, 19 May 2023 02:10:50 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 19:57:28 +0100, John Larkin <jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On 22 Apr 2023 18:05:07 GMT, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 06:38:41 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 06:16:14 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 21:15:12 +0100, John Larkin <jla...@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On 3 Apr 2023 19:29:01 GMT, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:14:28 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

<snip>

There are some Youtube videos of North Koreans reaction to the USA.
They are shocked by how nice we are, how we smile and help strangers
and hug our kids in public.

A sign of weakness.

That\'s as loathsome as it is wrong. The norks aren\'t doing very well; the Danes are.

Being nice to someone gains you nothing, chances are they won\'t be nice back.

The chance of anybody being nice to the Scottish wanker are pretty close to zero. His enthusiasm for putting his own interests first is both obvious and off-putting, and the correct response is to push him under the next bus. You should confine your being nice to people who might be nice back, as opposed to being obviously un-cooperative.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 18:12:05 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Fri, 19 May 2023 03:51:45 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 19 May 2023 02:10:50 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 19:57:28 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On 22 Apr 2023 18:05:07 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 06:38:41 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 06:16:14 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 21:15:12 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On 3 Apr 2023 19:29:01 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:14:28 -0700, John Larkin wrote:


We were in the Castro yesterday and I didn\'t see many dogs. There
are other neighborhoods where I think it is a felony to walk around
without a dog or a kid.

Around here a Subaru Forester and a Labrador with a red kerchief are
issued at birth. I like dogs but I wish their owners were bright
enough to realize you\'re supposed to take the little bags of shit
with you. The cartoon instructions at the trailheads omit that part.

We have Teslas and custom bred-to-order labridoodles. The Brat is
unusual in adopting SPCA mutts.

Everyone here that walks a dog carries poop bags and uses them.

If nobody\'s looking, I fail to see the point in picking it up.

Poop smeared everywhere appeals to you?

Probably so. It\'s a common syndrome.


Another example of why a libertarian society is a pipe dream; it requires
adults.

It varies by culture. The Russians don\'t understand register lines or
elevators. Everybody just rushes and pushes.

I like everyone else queueing nicely, it means I can get served first.

There are some Youtube videos of North Koreans reaction to the USA.
They are shocked by how nice we are, how we smile and help strangers
and hug our kids in public.

A sign of weakness.

That\'s as loathsome as it is wrong. The norks aren\'t doing very well;
the Danes are.

Being nice to someone gains you nothing, chances are they won\'t be nice back.

You\'re just not doing it right. You have elected to live in the nasty
greedy crowd.

Our attitude to customers is \"What you are doing is cool and we just
want to help, even if we don\'t sell you anything.\" Of course, that
attitude sometimes sells a lot of stuff. If not, we learn things.

Being petty has petty returns.
 
On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 08:20:59 -0700, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 6/23/2023 12:08 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message <op.16y9e3oxmvhs6z@ryzen>, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com
writes



I couldn\'t begin to understand a 4 way stop.  You have to somehow
remember who got there first?!  How is that even possible?

Surely you\'ve noticed that there are some 4-way stops in the UK - well,
not actual stops, but certainly 4-way give-ways? There are two within a
mile of me - one in a supermarket carpark, and one in a nearby village.
Essentially, these are mini-roundabouts with no circle in the middle,
and (being in the UK) the vehicle coming from your right has priority.
Like any mini-roundabout, if three or four vehicles arrive
simultaneously, it can become a game of chicken as to who actually
proceeds first.

When I lived in Boston, the rule seemed to be - one person goes, and
everyone behind him follows closely - then someone else gets to try.

Stop signs seem to be a team sport here.
 
On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 08:12:02 -0700, John Larkin, another obviously brain
dead, troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:

> You\'re just not doing it right.

He\'s doing his trolling VERY much right, getting a senile asshole like you,
who should know better, to fall for every idiotic bait of his!
 
On 2023-06-22, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 21/06/2023 19:45, Max Demian wrote:
On 21/06/2023 17:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/06/2023 10:14, jon wrote:

Momentum not Inertia.

Same thing

A massy object has inertia whether it\'s moving or not. It only has
momentum if it\'s moving.

Moving relative to what?

Moving relative to whatever.

Frame of reference.

--
Jasen.
🇺🇦 Слава Україні
 
On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 20:23:25 +0100, Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:

On 2023-06-10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
[...]
We put grippy wheels on cars, we could put them on trains too.

Sure, get a \"grippy\" material that can hold >100 tons (>200,000 pounds)
in a single car with 4 (or even 6) axles, and maybe you have an idea.

Oh, and it has to have a service life of a quarter million miles
(minimum).

Ok, put steel wheels on cars.
 
On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 20:45:07 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 08:49:58 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:

BTW, we in the land down under are one step ahead of you. Where we need
to run a road vehicle on rails, boy, do we have it covered!

https://ariesrail.com.au/gallery/

If it\'s that brilliant, why isn\'t every country doing it?

Most are...

https://aspenequipment.com/hi-rail-truck/

Is that the modern equivalent of a https://i.pinimg.com/originals/70/09/23/700923a692e85505fd5fdd118495e037.jpg ?
 
On 17/07/2023 22:35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 20:23:25 +0100, Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> wrote:
On 2023-06-10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
[...]
We put grippy wheels on cars, we could put them on trains too.

Sure, get a \"grippy\" material that can hold >100 tons (>200,000 pounds)
in a single car with 4 (or even 6) axles, and maybe you have an idea.

Oh, and it has to have a service life of a quarter million miles
(minimum).

Ok, put steel wheels on cars.

They do. And they run them on rails. Several joined together.

--
Max Demian
 
On Tue, 18 Jul 2023 18:51:28 +0100, Max Dumbian, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:


Ok, put steel wheels on cars.

They do. And they run them on rails. Several joined together.

More sick shit by the retarded troll and the retarded troll-feeding senile
asshole!

--
Max Dumb having another senile moment:
\"It\'s the consistency of the shit that counts. Sometimes I don\'t need to
wipe, but I have to do so to tell. Also humans have buttocks to get
smeared due to our bipedalism.\"
MID: <6vydnWiYDoV1VUrDnZ2dnUU78QednZ2d@brightview.co.uk>

And yet another senile moment:
\"A fawn bowl will show piss a lot less than a white one.\"
MID: <tv1of3$1v4qg$1@dont-email.me>
 
On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 11:23:24 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 10/06/2023 08:46, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 10 May 2023 09:56:44 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
On 2/3/2023 2:05 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 20:10:09 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
I suppose this assumes that the tracks do not bend, vertically or
horizontally, or some of the wheels could loose pressure, as there are
no springs on the loco wheels (but the wagons do have them, so there
must be imperfections on the tracks).

Why were they never made of something more grippy than highly polished
steel?

That settles it - you have never studied engineering - in any form.

I studied engineering as part of my combined degree. Electrical and
building construction.

We put grippy wheels on cars, we could put them on trains too.

Isn\'t there something about more friction between similar metals? Clock
mechanisms usually have steel spindles in brass bearings.

If there is it wasn\'t in the degree. But I could check....

https://www.engineersedge.com/coeffients_of_friction.htm

Same metals:
Cast iron on cast iron has a dynamic coefficient of 0.15 (dry, unlubricated, like train wheels)
Nickel on nickel 0.53
Hard steel on hard steel 0.42
Mild steel on mild steel 0.57

Different metals:
Cast iron on mild steel 0.23

From that page alone, I can see mixing cast iron and mild steel just puts it inbetween the two if they were identical. If what you said was true, I\'d expect dissimilar metals to fall outside the range of the two on their own.

There aren\'t any other comparisons I can make from there, unless you care to look up some more on other sites.
 
On Sun, 18 Jun 2023 11:52:56 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 17/06/2023 23:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 22 May 2023 12:57:50 +0100, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

It is the standard here, if you have your own antena, to feed power to
the antena amplifier via the aerial coax cable. It can be done by
inserting a special power supply in the cable when it enters the house
(a capacitor isolates the DC on the inner side), or the TV set does that.

Here, we don\'t need amps. We have decent transmitters in the first
place. Or TVs designed to amplify inside them instead of farming it out
to another box.

You probably would need an amp if the signal is split between nine TVs.
And you still have to stop idiots from shorting out their aerial
sockets, accidentally or deliberately.

I was responding to \"It is the standard here, if you ****have your own antena****\"
 
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 10:05:36 +0100, Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

On 22/06/2023 in message <u70tk1$37v7o$1@dont-email.me> The Natural
Philosopher wrote:

For me, momentum is the technical refined description of what ordinary
people call \'inertia\'

There\'s a description of the difference here:

https://byjus.com/physics/difference-between-momentum-and-inertia/#:~:text=Momentum%20is%20a%20vector%20quantity,any%20change%20in%20its%20velocity.

With respect that is mostly bollocks. And doesn\'t take into account the
inertia of bureaucracy or the inertia of a projectile hitting a tank.

Inertia is a common usage term. Momentums is technical. And as I pointed
out, all motion is relative, so your appeal to authority fails because
there is no such thing as \'an object at rest\' or \'in constant motion\'
unless you define a frame of interital. reference.

It makes sense to me, perhaps you could give a link to something similar
from a respected body?

Inertia is illogical, because it\'s only related to mass. How can you have something you calculate from only one thing? If I want to tell you how difficult it will be to make the object move, I need only tell you it\'s mass.
 
On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 16:12:02 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 18:12:05 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Fri, 19 May 2023 03:51:45 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 19 May 2023 02:10:50 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 19:57:28 +0100, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On 22 Apr 2023 18:05:07 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 06:38:41 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 22 Apr 2023 06:16:14 +0100, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 21:15:12 +0100, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On 3 Apr 2023 19:29:01 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:14:28 -0700, John Larkin wrote:


We were in the Castro yesterday and I didn\'t see many dogs. There
are other neighborhoods where I think it is a felony to walk around
without a dog or a kid.

Around here a Subaru Forester and a Labrador with a red kerchief are
issued at birth. I like dogs but I wish their owners were bright
enough to realize you\'re supposed to take the little bags of shit
with you. The cartoon instructions at the trailheads omit that part.

We have Teslas and custom bred-to-order labridoodles. The Brat is
unusual in adopting SPCA mutts.

Everyone here that walks a dog carries poop bags and uses them.

If nobody\'s looking, I fail to see the point in picking it up.

Poop smeared everywhere appeals to you?

Probably so. It\'s a common syndrome.


Another example of why a libertarian society is a pipe dream; it requires
adults.

It varies by culture. The Russians don\'t understand register lines or
elevators. Everybody just rushes and pushes.

I like everyone else queueing nicely, it means I can get served first.

There are some Youtube videos of North Koreans reaction to the USA.
They are shocked by how nice we are, how we smile and help strangers
and hug our kids in public.

A sign of weakness.

That\'s as loathsome as it is wrong. The norks aren\'t doing very well;
the Danes are.

Being nice to someone gains you nothing, chances are they won\'t be nice back.

You\'re just not doing it right. You have elected to live in the nasty
greedy crowd.

Our attitude to customers is \"What you are doing is cool and we just
want to help, even if we don\'t sell you anything.\" Of course, that
attitude sometimes sells a lot of stuff. If not, we learn things.

Being petty has petty returns.

It depends on the environment. In a shop, you\'re earning reputation. But what about driving? Letting people out will probably not cause them to let you out another day, because chances are you\'ll never meet that particular driver again. I do however always let people out, since I\'m fucking pissed off nobody else does. Often I\'m in a queue of cars at say 10mph, and I see ahead of me someone trying to pull out of a sideroad, often a few of them in a queue. The fifteen (!) drivers I can see in front of me don\'t let them out. What chance does the last in the queue have?
 
On 23/07/2023 04:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 10:05:36 +0100, Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com
wrote:

On 22/06/2023 in message <u70tk1$37v7o$1@dont-email.me> The Natural
Philosopher wrote:

For me, momentum is the technical refined description of what ordinary
people call \'inertia\'

There\'s a description of the difference here:

https://byjus.com/physics/difference-between-momentum-and-inertia/#:~:text=Momentum%20is%20a%20vector%20quantity,any%20change%20in%20its%20velocity.

With respect that is mostly bollocks. And doesn\'t take into account the
inertia of bureaucracy or the inertia of a projectile hitting a tank.

Inertia is a common usage term. Momentums is technical. And as I pointed
out, all motion is relative,  so your appeal to authority fails because
there is no such thing as \'an object at rest\' or \'in constant motion\'
unless you define a frame of interital. reference.

It makes sense to me, perhaps you could give a link to something similar
from a respected body?

Inertia is illogical, because it\'s only related to mass.  How can you
have something you calculate from only one thing?  If I want to tell you
how difficult it will be to make the object move, I need only tell you
it\'s mass.

Mass has other properties that inertia, like gravitational attraction.

--
Max Demian
 
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 11:18:37 +0100, Max Dumbian, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:

Mass has other properties that inertia, like gravitational attraction.

Doing again what you can do best: sucking off the attention-starved trolling
wanker on every occasion?

--
Max Dumb having another senile moment:
\"It\'s the consistency of the shit that counts. Sometimes I don\'t need to
wipe, but I have to do so to tell. Also humans have buttocks to get
smeared due to our bipedalism.\"
MID: <6vydnWiYDoV1VUrDnZ2dnUU78QednZ2d@brightview.co.uk>

--
And yet another senile moment:
\"A fawn bowl will show piss a lot less than a white one.\"
MID: <tv1of3$1v4qg$1@dont-email.me>
 
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 11:18:37 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 23/07/2023 04:53, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 10:05:36 +0100, Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com
wrote:

On 22/06/2023 in message <u70tk1$37v7o$1@dont-email.me> The Natural
Philosopher wrote:

For me, momentum is the technical refined description of what ordinary
people call \'inertia\'

There\'s a description of the difference here:

https://byjus.com/physics/difference-between-momentum-and-inertia/#:~:text=Momentum%20is%20a%20vector%20quantity,any%20change%20in%20its%20velocity.

With respect that is mostly bollocks. And doesn\'t take into account the
inertia of bureaucracy or the inertia of a projectile hitting a tank.

Inertia is a common usage term. Momentums is technical. And as I pointed
out, all motion is relative, so your appeal to authority fails because
there is no such thing as \'an object at rest\' or \'in constant motion\'
unless you define a frame of interital. reference.

It makes sense to me, perhaps you could give a link to something similar
from a respected body?

Inertia is illogical, because it\'s only related to mass. How can you
have something you calculate from only one thing? If I want to tell you
how difficult it will be to make the object move, I need only tell you
it\'s mass.

Mass has other properties that inertia, like gravitational attraction.

I guess inertia is more of a description in a particular scenario than a property.
 

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