Why do circuit breakers go up for on and down for off?...

[Max Demian]

On 15/02/2023 17:09, Max Demian wrote:

On 15/02/2023 14:54, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 19:48:20 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Sun, 12 Feb 2023 18:28:02 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 17:03:34 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

GFCI outlets are required here in kitchens and bathrooms, near faucets
and tubs, and in places like garages where one might stand barefoot on
wet concrete.

Required by who?

The city electrical code.

Regulations.  Code implies encryption, if Merkins are to socialise
with the rest of the world, they need to learn to use English correctly.

No it doesn\'t. It\'s a system of rules to convert information from one
form to another. It can be explicit, such as the following rule in the
header of your post:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; delsp=yes

Another example of coding that doesn\'t involve encryption is what is
used for sending images by email, e.g.:

Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

--
Max Demian

 

[Mark Lloyd]

On 2/17/23 14:04, Jim Joyce wrote:

[snip]

I used to live in San Antonio, Texas, which is located in Bexar county.
Locals pronounce it <baer>, rhymes with bare and bear, so you can always
tell if a non-local is talking because they say the \'x\' sound and create
two syllables.

In about 1980 I lived on Hemphill street in Fort Worth. A lot op people
would say it without the middle \"h\".

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

\"The word and works of God is quite clear, that women were made either
to be wives or prostitutes.\" [Martin Luther, Works 12.94]

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2023-02-14 23:46, Ian Jackson wrote:

In message <2betbjxebg.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> writes




For instance, the book I started learning English taught the
expression \"it is raining cats and dogs\". Most of the times I tried to
use it, nobody understood it and I had to explain :-D

English (well, British English) is absolutely saturated with such
expressions, and this must mystify and confuse the benighted foreigner.

IIRC, the theme of one of the early Startrek episodes was devoted to
understanding the inhabitants of a planet whose language consisted
almost entirely of metaphors and the like.

I seem to recall that, but in \"the next generation\", not the original
series. However, I have not watched the entire original series.


--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Mark Lloyd]

On 2/17/23 15:08, charles wrote:

[snip]

It is now a legal and recognised sign to following drivers, on a fast
road, such as a motorway or dual-carriageway, that you are approaching
standing traffic and slowing quickly to a stop. As such it needs to be
activated quickly and without having to take your eyes off the road.

In my last car, braking hard (emergency breaking) brought on the flashers.

That\'s just what I was thinking would be a good idea.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

\"The word and works of God is quite clear, that women were made either
to be wives or prostitutes.\" [Martin Luther, Works 12.94]

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2023-02-15 11:12, Dan Purgert wrote:

[\"Followup-To:\" header set to sci.electronics.design.]
On 2023-02-14, Carlos E.R. wrote:
[...]
For instance, the book I started learning English taught the expression
\"it is raining cats and dogs\". Most of the times I tried to use it,
nobody understood it and I had to explain :-D

That\'s a very common idiom in American English (uh, well, at least
around here anyway). Where were you trying to use the phrase?

Ottawa, most probably.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Mark Lloyd]

On 2/17/23 16:21, Carlos E.R. wrote:

[snip]

It is now a legal and recognised sign to following drivers, on a fast
road, such as a motorway or dual-carriageway, that you are approaching
standing traffic and slowing quickly to a stop. As such it needs to be
activated quickly and without having to take your eyes off the road.

I think that the legal way to do it here is touch the brake lightly
several times to make the red lights blink.

\"touch the brake lightly\" when you need to do it hard?

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

\"The word and works of God is quite clear, that women were made either
to be wives or prostitutes.\" [Martin Luther, Works 12.94]

 

[Mark Lloyd]

[snip]

It is not only about you, but any visitor, or anybody living in adjacent
houses.

Yes.... me getting an electric shock could hurt my next door neighbour.
Just how stupid are you?
Will you promise to keep the fire from spreading?

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

\"The word and works of God is quite clear, that women were made either
to be wives or prostitutes.\" [Martin Luther, Works 12.94]

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 06:58:10 -0000, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 14 Feb 2023 19:13:35 +0100, \"Carlos E. R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-14 18:55, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 10:48:29 +0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/02/2023 15:56, John Larkin wrote:
But I guess 240v is a lot nastier than 120, so more ground fault
sensing makes sense in europe.

It\'s a trade-off. More shocks with 240V; more fires with the higher
currents required at 120V.

Andy

If the breakers are sized for the wiring, there is no fire hazard
there. Romex doesn\'t get hot at rated current. Fires are started by
appliances like space heaters, which wouldn\'t be affected by the
voltage. Or overloaded extension cords, arguably a lesser hazard at
higher voltage.

Very old houses had knob-and-tube wiring with twisted junctions, in
walls and exposed in attics, and people tended to screw in bigger
glass fuses than the wire could handle. That was, sometimes still is,
a big fire hazard.


In my house, or rather my parent\'s house, fuses were just a strand of
wire wrapped around two metal screws or some metal something. When a
fuse blows, you just put another wire. It it blows again, they put two
strands. Next, they put three... you see the problem.

Of course you can use sealed fuses, or calibrated fuse wire (they sold
that in the UK). But it is just safer to use calibrated breakers which
\"blow\" and you just throw them back. Of course they can be intentionally
\"sabotaged\".

IN NYCity, my apartment building and I\'m sure most apartment buildings,
rentals in general, used Fustats. It\'s an insert that screws into the
original fuse holder (which I think used the same thread as a
lightbulb), but the inserts have a different pitch internal thread for
each amperage. So in the basement, I could only use one 20-amp Fustat,
and in my apartment, I could only use two 15-amp Fustats.

How annoying. The British fuses you could stick any in any socket, and you could put any fusewire in each too. My house, I put in what I want.
Complete: https://maintenance-service.co.uk/_webedit/cached-images/165-0-0-0-10000-10000-708.jpg
Without fuses:https://flameport.com/electric_museum/old_equipment/white_wylex_reverse_switch_open.jpg
Without covers:https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/qp4AAOSw3N9fNcsE/s-l300.jpg (I have one like this, got it 2nd hand). It takes fuses or breakers, no covers, just have to be careful inserting them. And no I never turn off the whole bloody thing just to change one fuse.
Can\'t find a picture of the actual fuses seperate.

Fustat was the first capital of Egypt under Muslim rule, and the
historical centre of modern Cairo -- oops, wrong link.

https://www.amazon.com/Bussmann-Fustat-Buss-Fuse-Pack/dp/B01DWBTZOA
$70 for 4?!. They weren\'t anywhere near this expensive in the 70\'s,
even allowing for 70\'s prices. They only sell this one size, which
seems to be 8 amps. What kind of a value is 8 amps? The ones that
never sold out?

At 240V, I have 5A (lights), 15A (water heater), 30A (cooker or shower or all the sockets in the house).
Even if you\'re the sissy 120V, 8A would pretty much manager lights, even with the old incandescents.

Menards has Cooper Bussmann® Tamper-Proof Fustat Heavy Duty Plug Fuse
6.25 amps for $4.88 each. What kind of a value is 6.25 amps?

Again, enough for lighting. Saves having heavy guage wire everywhere.

I used to, had to power the whole 6-room apartments, including sometimes
the last couple years a small air conditioner, on 20 amps. Only blew
the fuse about 4 times.

Take it apart and fit a bigger one.

 

[Carlos E.R.]

On 2023-02-16 05:45, micky wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 15 Feb 2023 23:32:44 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


In the site you can move to the inside photo:

https://es.wallapop.com/item/portafusibles-de-porcelana-con-fusible-doble-de-la-854489168

Did I mention that I can read Spanish. Esp. technical and scientfific
Spabish Those wires are the equivalent of putting a penny in the
fusebox. And btw, another big advantage of Fustats is that you can\'t
use a penny that way. The bottom has one connector, but the other one
is under the lip of the fustat and it conacts the top of the adapter.
The inside wall of the adapter is non-conductive.

The rationale is that if you put one strand of wire, it will fuse before
the 10 strands of the whole cable

Well that\'s better than a penny. That used to be a famous remedy when
the fuse kept blowing, putting a penny in the fuse socket. I\'m sure it
started many a fire.



Fustat was the first capital of Egypt under Muslim rule, and the
historical centre of modern Cairo -- oops, wrong link.

https://www.amazon.com/Bussmann-Fustat-Buss-Fuse-Pack/dp/B01DWBTZOA
$70 for 4?!. They weren\'t anywhere near this expensive in the 70\'s,
even allowing for 70\'s prices. They only sell this one size, which
seems to be 8 amps. What kind of a value is 8 amps? The ones that
never sold out?

Menards has Cooper Bussmann® Tamper-Proof Fustat Heavy Duty Plug Fuse
6.25 amps for $4.88 each. What kind of a value is 6.25 amps?

Maybe when multiplied by the voltage it gives a nice power figure.

No. I\'m sure now these are the ones that never got sold when they were
under production. The ones people bought were the same sizes as circuit
breakers are now 15, 20, 30, 40, 50?. There are no home circuits that
use 6.25. -- One page I saw still sold the adapters for 15, 20,30**.
Those have to be left-overs too. guess those **But not the fustats
that fit those adapters.

6.25A * 127 ≈ 800W

127 was a standard voltage here some time...

But afaik we never had 6.25 circuits or 800W circuits. My building in
Brooklyn was built in 1930 and it used 15 and 20 amp circuits, 14 and 12
gauge wire. 6.25 must have been made for some special purpose.

Oh, I just noticed the smiley.

I think circuit breakers must have driven fustat out of business,
although I don\'t see how that can happen and what will all the buildings
that use them do. Not everyone is ready to put in breakers. Big
expense. (And the adapters are designed with barbs so they can\'t be
screwed out....

No idea.

Here all houses have circuit breakers.

Even the ones built bfore 1955? 1930?

Yes, mine is from around 1930. My father was told at some time to
install breakers and an RCD. That time it meant just two: one for the
washing machine, which got a new cable when they bought the machine, and
another for the rest of the house.

Recently (a decade ago?) I installed four. I redid the upstairs
installation. so I have one for lights, and another for \"power\".

Downstairs is the old installation, which besides the breakers has one
fuse on each light switch or socket.


I think all houses have circuit breakers, but that doesn\'t mean they
have a fully compliant installation.


--
Cheers, Carlos.

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 18:03:02 +0000 (GMT), charles, another mentally
deficient, troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered:


> Then you were using the wrong type of breaker.

But he still keeps setting out the right baits for all you troll-feeding
senile assholes in these groups! <tsk>

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:54:12 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-15 07:58, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 14 Feb 2023 19:13:35 +0100, \"Carlos E. R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-14 18:55, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 10:48:29 +0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/02/2023 15:56, John Larkin wrote:
But I guess 240v is a lot nastier than 120, so more ground fault
sensing makes sense in europe.

It\'s a trade-off. More shocks with 240V; more fires with the higher
currents required at 120V.

Andy

If the breakers are sized for the wiring, there is no fire hazard
there. Romex doesn\'t get hot at rated current. Fires are started by
appliances like space heaters, which wouldn\'t be affected by the
voltage. Or overloaded extension cords, arguably a lesser hazard at
higher voltage.

Very old houses had knob-and-tube wiring with twisted junctions, in
walls and exposed in attics, and people tended to screw in bigger
glass fuses than the wire could handle. That was, sometimes still is,
a big fire hazard.


In my house, or rather my parent\'s house, fuses were just a strand of
wire wrapped around two metal screws or some metal something. When a
fuse blows, you just put another wire. It it blows again, they put two
strands. Next, they put three... you see the problem.

Of course you can use sealed fuses, or calibrated fuse wire (they sold
that in the UK). But it is just safer to use calibrated breakers which
\"blow\" and you just throw them back. Of course they can be intentionally
\"sabotaged\".

IN NYCity, my apartment building and I\'m sure most apartment buildings,
rentals in general, used Fustats. It\'s an insert that screws into the
original fuse holder (which I think used the same thread as a
lightbulb), but the inserts have a different pitch internal thread for
each amperage. So in the basement, I could only use one 20-amp Fustat,
and in my apartment, I could only use two 15-amp Fustats.

I have seen them.
I had no idea about the different threads.

Aren\'t they a bit expensive? Amazon doesn\'t help, because it wants to
ship to Spain before citing a price in those I find.

Each old switch or socket in my house has one of these:

https://images.app.goo.gl/3wm7PoAi8p7HPDgU7

Better with them in the plugs, then it depends on the appliance. I can plug a table lamp into a 13amp socket, but the lamp has a 3A wire. The fuse protects the wire. Plug fuses are 1A, 2A, 3A, 5A, 7A, 10A, 13A. But for some reason shops tend to sell 3, 5, 13. To get the others (obviously being a lot safer) you have to use mail order.

And the whole house had this:

https://images.app.goo.gl/3wm7PoAi8p7HPDgU7

In the site you can move to the inside photo:

Looks like a jewelery box, what do I do with that?

Fustat was the first capital of Egypt under Muslim rule, and the
historical centre of modern Cairo -- oops, wrong link.

https://www.amazon.com/Bussmann-Fustat-Buss-Fuse-Pack/dp/B01DWBTZOA
$70 for 4?!. They weren\'t anywhere near this expensive in the 70\'s,
even allowing for 70\'s prices. They only sell this one size, which
seems to be 8 amps. What kind of a value is 8 amps? The ones that
never sold out?

Menards

Isn\'t that a French duck?

has Cooper Bussmann® Tamper-Proof Fustat Heavy Duty Plug Fuse
6.25 amps for $4.88 each. What kind of a value is 6.25 amps?

Maybe when multiplied by the voltage it gives a nice power figure.

I used to, had to power the whole 6-room apartments, including sometimes
the last couple years a small air conditioner, on 20 amps. Only blew
the fuse about 4 times.

My air conditioning unit is \"inverter\" type. Max power I think is
800Watts, not sure now. Say 1 KW. When the room has reached a stable
temp, it draws as little as 200 watts.

That\'s a pathetic size. Mine is 1.5kW (not an invertor) which was the smallest one I could buy (apart from one half the size for 90% of the cost, which is just stupid). Why have an invertor? Mine just power cycles.. It will also reverse to heat.

 

[Max Demian]

On 23/02/2023 10:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Wed, 22 Feb 2023 15:42:21 -0000, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

I know someone that does just that.  Some odd people calling for odd
things.  Recent one was a woman calling from her apartment.  This is at
4AM.  \"There is a satellite dish on the roof and it is not needed.
Please send someone to take it down\"

I get irritated when I see a lack of cooperation.  Two flats each with a
satellite dish a metre apart.  Senseless.  You can get multi-LNBs to go
on the end of the arm.

Anything communal is complicated. Whose job is it to fix it if it goes
wrong? What if one person short circuits it, or one says it\'s OK and the
other says it isn\'t? Usually all right if there is a management company
for the block.

--
Max Demian

 

[Bob F]

On 2/18/2023 11:14 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:

[snip]

It is not only about you, but any visitor, or anybody living in adjacent
houses.

Yes.... me getting an electric shock could hurt my next door
neighbour. Just how stupid are you?
Will you promise to keep the fire from spreading?

Will he promise to put the fire out himself? Before it spreads.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 15:41:49 -0000, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 15 Feb 2023 12:54:12 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-15 07:58, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 14 Feb 2023 19:13:35 +0100, \"Carlos E. R..\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-14 18:55, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 10:48:29 +0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 11/02/2023 15:56, John Larkin wrote:
But I guess 240v is a lot nastier than 120, so more ground fault
sensing makes sense in europe.

It\'s a trade-off. More shocks with 240V; more fires with the higher
currents required at 120V.

Andy

If the breakers are sized for the wiring, there is no fire hazard
there. Romex doesn\'t get hot at rated current. Fires are started by
appliances like space heaters, which wouldn\'t be affected by the
voltage. Or overloaded extension cords, arguably a lesser hazard at
higher voltage.

Very old houses had knob-and-tube wiring with twisted junctions, in
walls and exposed in attics, and people tended to screw in bigger
glass fuses than the wire could handle. That was, sometimes still is,
a big fire hazard.


In my house, or rather my parent\'s house, fuses were just a strand of
wire wrapped around two metal screws or some metal something. When a
fuse blows, you just put another wire. It it blows again, they put two
strands. Next, they put three... you see the problem.

Of course you can use sealed fuses, or calibrated fuse wire (they sold
that in the UK). But it is just safer to use calibrated breakers which
\"blow\" and you just throw them back. Of course they can be intentionally
\"sabotaged\".

IN NYCity, my apartment building and I\'m sure most apartment buildings,
rentals in general, used Fustats. It\'s an insert that screws into the
original fuse holder (which I think used the same thread as a
lightbulb), but the inserts have a different pitch internal thread for
each amperage. So in the basement, I could only use one 20-amp Fustat,
and in my apartment, I could only use two 15-amp Fustats.

I have seen them.
I had no idea about the different threads.

Aren\'t they a bit expensive? Amazon doesn\'t help, because it wants to
ship to Spain before citing a price in those I find.

They certainly are now, Including for the USA.


Each old switch or socket in my house has one of these:

https://images.app.goo.gl/3wm7PoAi8p7HPDgU7

Here glass fuses like these are used in electronics. For AC they have
big brown cartridge fuses, almost as big as a cigar.

In the UK too, but only for the big 100A motherfuckers for the whole house.

And the whole house had this:

https://images.app.goo.gl/3wm7PoAi8p7HPDgU7

YOu repeated the same link. Often in one, maybe all, of my computers,
ctrl-c woldn\'t work, even though C worked ant ctrl worked. I\'d use
ctrl-c but it didnt\' change what was in the clipboard.

Seems to be a Windows bug, been there for years, nobody fixes it. M$ are pathetic.
For me it works 3/4s of the time, so I tend to hammer it a few times to know it\'ll work.

In the site you can move to the inside photo:

https://es.wallapop.com/item/portafusibles-de-porcelana-con-fusible-doble-de-la-854489168

Did I mention **that** I can read Spanish. Esp. technical and

**that** is superfluous, why do people use it? \"Did I mention I can read Spanish\" has precisely the same meaning.

> scientfific Spabish

Hopefully better than Ingrish.

Those wires are the equivalent of putting a penny in the
fusebox. And btw, another big advantage of Fustats is that you can\'t
use a penny that way.

That is a a disadvantage!

In the local theatre (no, not cinema, Merkins confuse the two), in the lighting control room we used nails instead of fuses to get more than 13A from a plug.

The bottom has one connector, but the other one
is under the lip of the fustat and it conacts the top of the adapter.
The inside wall of the adapter is non-conductive.

Fustat was the first capital of Egypt under Muslim rule, and the
historical centre of modern Cairo -- oops, wrong link.

https://www.amazon.com/Bussmann-Fustat-Buss-Fuse-Pack/dp/B01DWBTZOA
$70 for 4?!. They weren\'t anywhere near this expensive in the 70\'s,
even allowing for 70\'s prices. They only sell this one size, which
seems to be 8 amps. What kind of a value is 8 amps? The ones that
never sold out?

Menards has Cooper Bussmann® Tamper-Proof Fustat Heavy Duty Plug Fuse
6.25 amps for $4.88 each. What kind of a value is 6.25 amps?

Maybe when multiplied by the voltage it gives a nice power figure.

No. I\'m sure now these are the ones that never got sold when they were
under production. The ones people bought were the same sizes as circuit
breakers are now 15, 20, 30, 40, 50?.

In the UK they did something weird with breakers.
Fuses were 5/15/30. Breakers are 6/something/32. WTF?

There are no home circuits that
use 6.25. -- One page I saw still sold the adapters for 15, 20,30**..
Those have to be left-overs too. guess those **But not the fustats
that fit those adapters.

I think circuit breakers must have driven fustat out of business,
although I don\'t see how that can happen and what will all the buildings
that use them do. Not everyone is ready to put in breakers. Big
expense.

And pointless, they just give false trips. They have no patience for inrush current.

(And the adapters are designed with barbs so they can\'t be
screwed out....

Sounds like a Fox\'s penis.

I panicked for nothing. When I googled Fustat I found very little but
when I googled Type-s fuse there is more:
https://www.amazon.com/Bussmann-S-15-Time-Delay-Dual-Element-Rejection/dp/B000BPIM7C
$16 for four. Besides Type-S, they are also called \"rejection base\",
maybe because of the different threads. This one:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002GD2BLU/ref=sspa_dk_detail_3 uses both
names, Bussman and Fustat. I don\'t understand why others don\'t use the
word Fustat.

BTW, I\'ve also seen for sale little circuit breakers that screw into the
socket meant for a fuse. They have a little reset button in the middle.
Because they seem uncommon, I\'ve always assumed thay weren\'t that good..
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Cooper-Bussmann-15-Amp-Plug-Type-Circuit-Breaker-BP-MB-15/100348278
Also made by Cooper Bussmann.

I used to, had to power the whole 6-room apartments, including sometimes
the last couple years a small air conditioner, on 20 amps. Only blew
the fuse about 4 times.

My air conditioning unit is \"inverter\" type. Max power I think is
800Watts, not sure now. Say 1 KW. When the room has reached a stable
temp, it draws as little as 200 watts.

I\'ll hve to learn about inverters some time.

Some bollocks about saving the planet, you pay loads more cash for something that wears out quicker and uses a fraction less power.

 

[Max Demian]

On 23/02/2023 00:02, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 21:08:55 -0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:
On 13/02/2023 13:49, NY wrote:
\"Max Demian\" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:tsdeg3$25g75$3@dont-email.me...

I know someone who can\'t tell left from right without touching
herself.

Why, is she asymmetrical?

As a young child, I would just pretend to write.

I\'ve never understood people who get left and right confused. I can
never remember which of the two is port and starboard (*), but left and
right are as ingrained in the \"immediate lookup table\" in my brain as
counting, addition and the days of the week are.

Two friends of mine took part in a driving challenge, part of which
involved driving a course blindfolded, with the passenger giving
directions. They had to resort to \"your side\" and \"my side\".

I hate it when a garage says \"your offside front tyre needs changing\".
What?!?  Now I have to picture a car parked on the side of the road
you\'d drive on, and work out which side would be furthest from the
kerb.  Left and right are so much easier.

When I say this, I often get the monumentally stupid response \"but are
you facing the car or not?\"  FFS, the CAR\'S left and right!

Cars aren\'t sentient, so they have no notion of orientation. Say port
and starboard.

--
Max Demian

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 16 Feb 2023 13:30:34 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\"
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-16 05:45, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 15 Feb 2023 23:32:44 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


In the site you can move to the inside photo:

https://es.wallapop.com/item/portafusibles-de-porcelana-con-fusible-doble-de-la-854489168

Did I mention that I can read Spanish. Esp. technical and scientfific
Spabish Those wires are the equivalent of putting a penny in the
fusebox. And btw, another big advantage of Fustats is that you can\'t
use a penny that way. The bottom has one connector, but the other one
is under the lip of the fustat and it conacts the top of the adapter.
The inside wall of the adapter is non-conductive.

The rationale is that if you put one strand of wire, it will fuse before
the 10 strands of the whole cable

Well that\'s better than a penny. That used to be a famous remedy when
the fuse kept blowing, putting a penny in the fuse socket. I\'m sure it
started many a fire.



Fustat was the first capital of Egypt under Muslim rule, and the
historical centre of modern Cairo -- oops, wrong link.

https://www.amazon.com/Bussmann-Fustat-Buss-Fuse-Pack/dp/B01DWBTZOA
$70 for 4?!. They weren\'t anywhere near this expensive in the 70\'s,
even allowing for 70\'s prices. They only sell this one size, which
seems to be 8 amps. What kind of a value is 8 amps? The ones that
never sold out?

Menards has Cooper Bussmann® Tamper-Proof Fustat Heavy Duty Plug Fuse
6.25 amps for $4.88 each. What kind of a value is 6.25 amps?

Maybe when multiplied by the voltage it gives a nice power figure.

No. I\'m sure now these are the ones that never got sold when they were
under production. The ones people bought were the same sizes as circuit
breakers are now 15, 20, 30, 40, 50?. There are no home circuits that
use 6.25. -- One page I saw still sold the adapters for 15, 20,30**.
Those have to be left-overs too. guess those **But not the fustats
that fit those adapters.

6.25A * 127 ≈ 800W

127 was a standard voltage here some time...

But afaik we never had 6.25 circuits or 800W circuits. My building in
Brooklyn was built in 1930 and it used 15 and 20 amp circuits, 14 and 12
gauge wire. 6.25 must have been made for some special purpose.

Oh, I just noticed the smiley.




I think circuit breakers must have driven fustat out of business,
although I don\'t see how that can happen and what will all the buildings
that use them do. Not everyone is ready to put in breakers. Big
expense. (And the adapters are designed with barbs so they can\'t be
screwed out....

No idea.

Here all houses have circuit breakers.

Even the ones built bfore 1955? 1930?

Yes, mine is from around 1930. My father was told at some time to
install breakers and an RCD. That time it meant just two: one for the
washing machine, which got a new cable when they bought the machine, and
another for the rest of the house.

Recently (a decade ago?) I installed four. I redid the upstairs
installation. so I have one for lights, and another for \"power\".

Downstairs is the old installation, which besides the breakers has one
fuse on each light switch or socket.


I think all houses have circuit breakers, but that doesn\'t mean they
have a fully compliant installation.

I don\'t think they\'ve ever ordered that here. Althought some people
remodel and upgrade on their own. A friend bought a 100-year old
farmhouse about 10 years ago and it still had knob and tube wiring. I
think it was connected and in use. He replaced it but he does lots of
stuff like that, for himself and at work. I\'m not sure he had to. I
will ask when I talk to him.

 

[Tabby]

On Wednesday, 15 February 2023 at 10:01:51 UTC, Martin Brown wrote:

On 14/02/2023 21:55, Don Y wrote:
A colleague sent along a copy of an article espousing a 2KW/hr/person
energy consumption rate as if it was a practical goal.
2kW/hr per person should be trivial to meet in any sort of decently
insulated house.

If each person got another 2kW every hour they\'d be dead in a minute, and glowing white hot after 2-3 hours.

 

[Tabby]

On Sunday, 19 February 2023 at 23:40:27 UTC, Don Y wrote:

On 2/19/2023 4:01 PM, Tabby wrote:
On Sunday, 19 February 2023 at 20:45:37 UTC, Don Y wrote:
On 2/19/2023 12:01 PM, Tabby wrote:
On Sunday, 19 February 2023 at 12:21:48 UTC, Don Y wrote:

why on earth would anyone pay 4k for domestic fridge? If it\'s a catering
walk-in type, fair enough. Last I looked the standard new fridge was around
150.
I didn\'t say we *paid* $4000 for the refrigerator. Rather, that\'s
what the manufacturer wants you to consider its \"value\" to be.

One can find refrigerators at all different price points based
on size, reliability, warranty, appearance, features, etc.

how do you assess reliability?

By reputation and past experiences. It\'s not a guarantee but I

the reality is most buyers have little ability to assess electrical reliability, and most high ticket appliances don\'t prove more reliable than bog standard

none of the home despot links work. It doesn\'t matter, I\'m sure no domestic fridge is worth 4k

One can live with a 1.5 cu ft refrigerator. Really! You just spend

obviously one can live with any size fridge, including zero

Want an ice maker? Want something besides plain white? Water dispenser
(with internal filter)? Crushed ice? Through the door dispensing? Counter
depth? A camera to see what\'s inside without opening the door (or, while
you\'re off shopping)? Door-in-door? HiTech?

No.

Icemaker is almost taken for granted.

I seldom see them here. Like most people I regard them as completely pointless

A bachelor might be satisfied with a
plain white refrigerator

almost everyone is satisfied with plain white fridges here. If there\'s anything wrong with that it\'s news to me.

(likely seldom cleaned) as the kitchen
is just a *functional* place -- like the bathroom: prep meal
and get the hell out!

straw man

I find through-the-door a waste of useful volume as the interior
of that door is effectively forfeit to the icemaker/crusher
and water dispenser. But, folks with kids likely find it a
big convenience as they aren\'t constantly opening the
door to the refrigerator just to get some ice or a cold
beverage.

we don\'t seem to suffer that problem. Maybe you live somewhere horribly hot

Want to impress your friends? At only $10,400:

nor do I want to \'impress\' my friends with gross stupidity.

You likely are very practical -- walk or ride a bicycle everywhere
(as anything more than that would be extravagant?)

What do you do with the monies you have above and beyond what you *need*
to exist? Donate them back to The State? (then why didn\'t you retire
all those years earlier to ENJOY the time you have on the planet, instead
of working for \"non-stupid\" things?) Sounds pretty silly...

would it not be wise to get a clue about people\'s lives before making things up & calling them silly?

 

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-02-16, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-14 23:46, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message <2betbjxebg.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> writes




For instance, the book I started learning English taught the
expression \"it is raining cats and dogs\". Most of the times I tried to
use it, nobody understood it and I had to explain :-D

English (well, British English) is absolutely saturated with such
expressions, and this must mystify and confuse the benighted foreigner.

IIRC, the theme of one of the early Startrek episodes was devoted to
understanding the inhabitants of a planet whose language consisted
almost entirely of metaphors and the like.

I seem to recall that, but in \"the next generation\", not the original
series. However, I have not watched the entire original series.

It was \"The Next Generation\". The title of the episode was \"Darmok\".
One of my favorites.

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[Tabby]

On Wednesday, 15 February 2023 at 10:49:01 UTC, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:

Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

The remaining big power hog is the garage lights.
Your fridge is a big power hog. Set the refrigerator temperature to the
highest setting, usually around 45 degrees F or 7 degrees C. This is an
excellent temperature for keeping vegetables, especially potatoes.

and butter. But it\'s not a safe temp for most fridgable foods.

Set the freezer to -14 F or -10 C. Once the temerature is below freezing, it
doesn\'t matter how cold it is.

how cold determines how long it lasts. For most folk that\'s an issue.