Why do circuit breakers go up for on and down for off?...

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 20:55:29 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 17:38:10 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> writes:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 09:24:14 -0000, \"NY\" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in message
newsp.10pblzyxmvhs6z@ryzen.home...
How annoying. The British fuses you could stick any in any socket, and
you could put any fusewire in each too. My house, I put in what I want.
Complete:
https://maintenance-service.co.uk/_webedit/cached-images/165-0-0-0-10000-10000-708.jpg
Without
fuses:https://flameport.com/electric_museum/old_equipment/white_wylex_reverse_switch_open.jpg
Without covers:https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/qp4AAOSw3N9fNcsE/s-l300.jpg
(I have one like this, got it 2nd hand). It takes fuses or breakers, no
covers, just have to be careful inserting them. And no I never turn off
the whole bloody thing just to change one fuse.
Can\'t find a picture of the actual fuses seperate.

I was always surprised that all the fuse-wire holders in a UK fuse box were
interchangeable - there was nothing to stop you inserting a 15 A
lighting-circuit fuse in the slot for a 30 A ring-main. Everything would be
fine until someone turned on both a kettle and and electric fire on the same
ring main (thereby drawing more than 13A) and the 15 A fuse would blow.

It would have been better if the fuse holders had been designed to have
different size pins to avoid this. Of course there would still be nothing to
stop someone wiring 30 A wire into a 15 A holder, but that is (probably)
less likely than someone pulling out several fuses and then putting them
back in the wrong locations. At least the fuse holders and sockets in the
fuse box were colour-coded with domino spots which had to match.

The US screw type fuses, basically a light bulb socket, were
interchangable. Older houses around here still have them. One only
needs to keep a stock of 30 amp spares around.


There are two types of screw fuses, \"T\" and \"S\".

\"A type T fuse looks a lot like a lightbulb and screws into the
sockets of old fuse boxes. Conversely, the type S fuse requires
an adapter base to work with Edison type sockets. Type S fuses
are designed to be tamperproof. They help homeowners not
accidentally use the wrong fuse for their circuits.

A type S fuse has an adapter base with a unique size and thread
so you don\\u2019t mismatch the fuses. In other words, the size and
thread of the base prevent you from putting a 15-amp fuse in a 20-amp
circuit. However, a type T fuse will work with any Edison socket
irrespective of the amperage of the circuit. If your home has an
old fuse box that uses Edison sockets, talk to the technicians at
[company_name] about making the switch to socket adapters that use
S fuses. This can make your panel a lot safer.

I\'m an electrical engineer, so I can make my own judgements. I talk to
electricians and few if any actually understand basic electrical
principles. I have read the local electric codes but never met an
electrician who has.

Most houses around here have breakers now.

Completely unnecessary. All you need is the power to stop if something shorts so you don\'t set fire to your house.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 21:29:55 -0000, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:

On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 17:38:10 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> writes:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 09:24:14 -0000, \"NY\" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in message
newsp.10pblzyxmvhs6z@ryzen.home...
How annoying. The British fuses you could stick any in any socket, and
you could put any fusewire in each too. My house, I put in what I want.
Complete:
https://maintenance-service.co.uk/_webedit/cached-images/165-0-0-0-10000-10000-708.jpg
Without
fuses:https://flameport.com/electric_museum/old_equipment/white_wylex_reverse_switch_open.jpg
Without covers:https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/qp4AAOSw3N9fNcsE/s-l300.jpg
(I have one like this, got it 2nd hand). It takes fuses or breakers, no
covers, just have to be careful inserting them. And no I never turn off
the whole bloody thing just to change one fuse.
Can\'t find a picture of the actual fuses seperate.

I was always surprised that all the fuse-wire holders in a UK fuse box were
interchangeable - there was nothing to stop you inserting a 15 A
lighting-circuit fuse in the slot for a 30 A ring-main. Everything would be
fine until someone turned on both a kettle and and electric fire on the same
ring main (thereby drawing more than 13A) and the 15 A fuse would blow.

It would have been better if the fuse holders had been designed to have
different size pins to avoid this. Of course there would still be nothing to
stop someone wiring 30 A wire into a 15 A holder, but that is (probably)
less likely than someone pulling out several fuses and then putting them
back in the wrong locations. At least the fuse holders and sockets in the
fuse box were colour-coded with domino spots which had to match.

The US screw type fuses, basically a light bulb socket, were
interchangable. Older houses around here still have them. One only
needs to keep a stock of 30 amp spares around.


There are two types of screw fuses, \"T\" and \"S\".

\"A type T fuse looks a lot like a lightbulb and screws into the
sockets of old fuse boxes. Conversely, the type S fuse requires
an adapter base to work with Edison type sockets. Type S fuses
are designed to be tamperproof. They help homeowners not
accidentally use the wrong fuse for their circuits.

Or intentionally. Or by putting a US penny (made of copper then) in
the fuse holder, bypassing the fuse.

Why do you call a cent a penny? A penny is a hundredth of a British Pound. That\'s money, not weight, you imperialistic fool.

You can put a short fat nail or screw into a British plug instead of a fuse. In case you need more than 13 amps. But our plugs are bloody robust, they could probably take 30 amps. Not those skinny little prongs you lot have.

 

[Max Demian]

On 04/03/2023 13:57, tony sayer wrote:

You will deserve what happens next.

Very unlikely for all those things to happen at once. I didn\'t get vaccinated
either,

I never wear a seatbelt,

I remember as a lad going to nick a few light bulbs from cars at Ron
Charlton\'s scrapyard. Whilst going about that we noticed the number of
cars that had very bent steering wheels, this i was told was because
the drivers having hit most anything their body flew forward and their
chest impacted the wheel and bent it, and no way could we bend it back.

Ron\'s old boy there said that most all the drivers in that sort of
impact didn\'t survive

Then came a seatbelt\'s and that became a thing of the past once people
started using them and we got round the stupidity of \"its better to be
thrown clear of the car you know\" idiocy.

I know someone who\'s an ex A&E consultant he\'ll give you chapter and
verse on car injuries;!...

Whatever happened to the idea that to improve road safety steering
wheels should have a spike in the middle?

(This might be called \"safety hazard\", by analogy with \"moral hazard\".)

--
Max Demian

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 4 Mar 2023 12:10:33 +0000, Max Dumbian, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:

The multiple LNBs/transponders (or whatever) won\'t be for different
users, they\'ll be for different muxes, i.e. frequencies/polarisations.

So totally unable to escape from the trolling gay wanker\'s thrall, aren\'t
you, you dumb troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE? <BG>

--
Max Dumb having another senile moment:
\"It\'s the consistency of the shit that counts. Sometimes I don\'t need to
wipe, but I have to do so to tell. Also humans have buttocks to get
smeared due to our bipedalism.\"
Message-ID: <6vydnWiYDoV1VUrDnZ2dnUU78QednZ2d@brightview.co.uk>

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 4 Mar 2023 13:57:51 +0000, tony sayer, another brain dead
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

I never wear a seatbelt,

I remember as a lad going to nick a few light bulbs

That smelly wanker also told everybody that he never wears any underwear
either, you troll-feeding senile asshole. Maybe THAT\'s why you senile idiots
feel all so attracted to him? <BG>

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 16:46:05 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 18:31:14 -0000, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> writes:
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On 2023-02-18, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/02/2023 12:37, Max Demian wrote:
Steam locos were not rated in horsepower, but \'tractive effort\' . How
many tons of pull they could generate before the wheels slipped.

Sort of. The important factor is tractive effort; but horsepower was a
known factor as well.

Indeed. From Audel\'s volume 1:

\"Horse Power - This unit was introduced by James Watt to measure the
power of his steam engines; defined as 33,000 ft. lbs. per minute.\"
Audels Engineers and Mechanics Guide Vol 1. pg 78.

A farmer told me he had horses that could exceed that.

At least 10x short-term. A healthy human can peak over 1 HP.

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 4 Mar 2023 12:15:20 +0000, Max Dumbian, the REAL dumb, notorious,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:

That\'s no more meaningfull.

Starboard=steerboard, and most steersmen were right handed.

You just CAN\'T resist the lure of that smelly gay wanker, can you, Mad Dumb?
<BG>

--
Max Dumb having another senile moment:
\"It\'s the consistency of the shit that counts. Sometimes I don\'t need to
wipe, but I have to do so to tell. Also humans have buttocks to get
smeared due to our bipedalism.\"
Message-ID: <6vydnWiYDoV1VUrDnZ2dnUU78QednZ2d@brightview.co.uk>

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 16:48:12 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 20:55:29 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 17:38:10 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> writes:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 09:24:14 -0000, \"NY\" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in message
newsp.10pblzyxmvhs6z@ryzen.home...
How annoying. The British fuses you could stick any in any socket, and
you could put any fusewire in each too. My house, I put in what I want.
Complete:
https://maintenance-service.co.uk/_webedit/cached-images/165-0-0-0-10000-10000-708.jpg
Without
fuses:https://flameport.com/electric_museum/old_equipment/white_wylex_reverse_switch_open.jpg
Without covers:https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/qp4AAOSw3N9fNcsE/s-l300.jpg
(I have one like this, got it 2nd hand). It takes fuses or breakers, no
covers, just have to be careful inserting them. And no I never turn off
the whole bloody thing just to change one fuse.
Can\'t find a picture of the actual fuses seperate.

I was always surprised that all the fuse-wire holders in a UK fuse box were
interchangeable - there was nothing to stop you inserting a 15 A
lighting-circuit fuse in the slot for a 30 A ring-main. Everything would be
fine until someone turned on both a kettle and and electric fire on the same
ring main (thereby drawing more than 13A) and the 15 A fuse would blow.

It would have been better if the fuse holders had been designed to have
different size pins to avoid this. Of course there would still be nothing to
stop someone wiring 30 A wire into a 15 A holder, but that is (probably)
less likely than someone pulling out several fuses and then putting them
back in the wrong locations. At least the fuse holders and sockets in the
fuse box were colour-coded with domino spots which had to match.

The US screw type fuses, basically a light bulb socket, were
interchangable. Older houses around here still have them. One only
needs to keep a stock of 30 amp spares around.


There are two types of screw fuses, \"T\" and \"S\".

\"A type T fuse looks a lot like a lightbulb and screws into the
sockets of old fuse boxes. Conversely, the type S fuse requires
an adapter base to work with Edison type sockets. Type S fuses
are designed to be tamperproof. They help homeowners not
accidentally use the wrong fuse for their circuits.

A type S fuse has an adapter base with a unique size and thread
so you don\\u2019t mismatch the fuses. In other words, the size and
thread of the base prevent you from putting a 15-amp fuse in a 20-amp
circuit. However, a type T fuse will work with any Edison socket
irrespective of the amperage of the circuit. If your home has an
old fuse box that uses Edison sockets, talk to the technicians at
[company_name] about making the switch to socket adapters that use
S fuses. This can make your panel a lot safer.

I\'m an electrical engineer, so I can make my own judgements. I talk to
electricians and few if any actually understand basic electrical
principles. I have read the local electric codes but never met an
electrician who has.

Most houses around here have breakers now.

Completely unnecessary. All you need is the power to stop if something shorts so you don\'t set fire to your house.

Are circuit breakers completely unnecessary? What\'s to limit current
and wires getting hot inside walls?

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 16:46:32 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 15:46:50 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 09:24:14 -0000, \"NY\" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in message
newsp.10pblzyxmvhs6z@ryzen.home...
How annoying. The British fuses you could stick any in any socket, and
you could put any fusewire in each too. My house, I put in what I want.
Complete:
https://maintenance-service.co.uk/_webedit/cached-images/165-0-0-0-10000-10000-708.jpg
Without
fuses:https://flameport.com/electric_museum/old_equipment/white_wylex_reverse_switch_open.jpg
Without covers:https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/qp4AAOSw3N9fNcsE/s-l300.jpg
(I have one like this, got it 2nd hand). It takes fuses or breakers, no
covers, just have to be careful inserting them. And no I never turn off
the whole bloody thing just to change one fuse.
Can\'t find a picture of the actual fuses seperate.

I was always surprised that all the fuse-wire holders in a UK fuse box were
interchangeable - there was nothing to stop you inserting a 15 A
lighting-circuit fuse in the slot for a 30 A ring-main. Everything would be
fine until someone turned on both a kettle and and electric fire on the same
ring main (thereby drawing more than 13A) and the 15 A fuse would blow.

It would have been better if the fuse holders had been designed to have
different size pins to avoid this. Of course there would still be nothing to
stop someone wiring 30 A wire into a 15 A holder, but that is (probably)
less likely than someone pulling out several fuses and then putting them
back in the wrong locations. At least the fuse holders and sockets in the
fuse box were colour-coded with domino spots which had to match.

The US screw type fuses, basically a light bulb socket, were
interchangable. Older houses around here still have them. One only
needs to keep a stock of 30 amp spares around.

So you could use a lightbulb as a fuse?

I\'m not sure if the screw thread is the same as a light bulb, but they
sure looked the same. I can\'t try it here, as our house was built in
1992 and is all modern. But all the older US screw-in fuses were the
same mechanically, so people tended to install a bigger fuse when one
blew.

An incendescent light bulb would be a good current limiter for low
current circuits; nicely nonlinear and self-resetting. Like a PTC
thermistor, which we use on circuit boards. The disc kind, not
surface-mount.

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 09:19:51 -0800, John Larkin, another obviously brain
dead, troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:

So you could use a lightbulb as a fuse?

I\'m not sure if the screw thread is the same as a light bulb, but they
sure looked the same.

LOL The attention-starved sociopathic troll asks one idiotic \"question\"
aftere another, and some troll-feeding senile asshole will fall for it,
EVERY time, again and again! LMAO

 

[Rod Speed]

On Sun, 05 Mar 2023 04:00:45 +1100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

On 04/03/2023 13:57, tony sayer wrote:

You will deserve what happens next.

Very unlikely for all those things to happen at once. I didn\'t get
vaccinated
either,

I never wear a seatbelt,

I remember as a lad going to nick a few light bulbs from cars at Ron
Charlton\'s scrapyard. Whilst going about that we noticed the number of
cars that had very bent steering wheels, this i was told was because
the drivers having hit most anything their body flew forward and their
chest impacted the wheel and bent it, and no way could we bend it back.
Ron\'s old boy there said that most all the drivers in that sort of
impact didn\'t survive
Then came a seatbelt\'s and that became a thing of the past once people
started using them and we got round the stupidity of \"its better to be
thrown clear of the car you know\" idiocy.
I know someone who\'s an ex A&E consultant he\'ll give you chapter and
verse on car injuries;!...

Whatever happened to the idea that to improve road safety steering
wheels should have a spike in the middle?

There never was any such idea unless you are expressing yourself very
badly.

> (This might be called \"safety hazard\", by analogy with \"moral hazard\".)

 

[Peeler]

On Sun, 05 Mar 2023 05:48:45 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

--
John addressing the senile Australian pest:
\"You are a complete idiot. But you make me larf. LOL\"
MID: <f9056fe6-1479-40ff-8cc0-8118292c547e@googlegroups.com>

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 17:35:58 -0000, Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 12/02/2023 21:42, Mark Lloyd wrote:
I know someone who can\'t tell left from right without touching herself.

When I was a kid I used to look as the small mole on my right hand to
remind myself. It didn\'t help that I when I as taught to write it was
\"No, the other hand\"... These days I have no trouble with left or right,
nor port and starboard, or clockwise, or any of the others.

So you were a late developer then.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 17:33:16 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 15/02/2023 14:52, NY wrote:
On 15/02/2023 11:40, Max Demian wrote:
On 14/02/2023 18:31, SteveW wrote:
On 14/02/2023 17:35, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 12/02/2023 21:42, Mark Lloyd wrote:
I know someone who can\'t tell left from right without touching
herself.

When I was a kid I used to look as the small mole on my right hand
to remind myself. It didn\'t help that I when I as taught to write it
was \"No, the other hand\"... These days I have no trouble with left
or right, nor port and starboard, or clockwise, or any of the others.

Turnwise and Widdershins? Yes the latter is a genuine wo

Deiseil is more common for clockwise, or sunwise, sunward. (These
alternative names are only needed when discussing the origin of the
direction of clock hands.)

Widdershins is the only one I *have* heard of. Turnwise, Deiseil,
Sunwise/Ward - can\'t say I\'ve ever heard of those.

Clockwise is all very well until you see a clock like this

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0602/4056/0354/products/OldPeculierBackwardClock-TheTheakston-29-07-22-4530.jpg?v=1660143292

which is a very \"peculier\" way of telling the time. The one I have used
a conventional self-contained quartz clock mechanism (ie no after-market
1:1 gears to reverse the direction) which suggests that they had the
mechanisms specially made - maybe with the stepper motor wired the
opposite way round.


It had never actually occurred to me until now that \"clockwise\" is the
same way that the sun appears to move in the sky, so the hour hand will
follow the sun (except at double speed). I must have been singularly
incurious to accept what \"clockwise\" meant without relating it to the
direction of movement of the sun.

I\'m not entirely convinced with the explanation for the direction clock
hands move. It\'s supposed to be because of sundials, but clock faces are
usually vertical, and vertical sundials move the other way. (There\'s one
on the side of some old alms houses near where I live.)

I think it was just chance, or perhaps a famous clock had hands moving
deiseil. (Adjacent cogs in a gear train move in opposite directions and
it just happened that the one with a twelve hour period was going
deiseil.) In any case, the first clocks with dials has the *dial*
rotating and the hand (with fingers I think) was stationary. No idea
which way they rotated.

I\'m surprised I can\'t find clocks on Ebay with fingers. You can get them with forks and knives ffs.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/403746240422

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 10:29:37 -0000, Cindy Hamilton <hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-02-24, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 15:30:35 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

On 2023-02-23, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 10:14:48 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

Also, Washington Post is not responding. Did the Mozzies hit it with
a bomb?

One can only hope.

I imagine their web site is hosted on Amazon\'s cloud server.

Probably, although some companies are moving off the cloud. AWS does not
come cheap.

https://www.hostdime.com/blog/move-from-cloud-to-colocation/

Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post. And the largest block of
Amazon shares at 11.1%.

Their TV I like. But their website is just Ebay but more expensive and harder to use.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 13:14:12 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 23/02/2023 20:33, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 18:28:14 -0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

People all over the 061 area dialled a 9 for an outside line,

Why do any offices require this? Ours didn\'t. If you dialled 4 digits
you got an internal line. If you dialled anything else it went
externally. I programmed it that way, but I\'m sure pre-digital office
exchanges could be made to do the same. Starting with a 0 would be the
first clue.

What if you paused after the first four digits to check the number?

Then you\'re an idiot. We may even have had a green button like a mobile, I can\'t remember, it was a long time ago. Nobody complained anyway.

Then again, in the UK, an external number would always begin with 0. Internal ones were 2/3/4. No idea why they started at 2000, but it was already that way so I left the numbers the same when we went digital. So if you dialled 01234 567890 (a fictitious national number), and paused, 0123 would be invalid.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 15:37:00 -0000, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 24/02/2023 13:31, Max Demian wrote:
On 24/02/2023 04:17, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 16:28:53 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 18/02/2023 14:06, SteveW wrote:

27MHz AM radio control had been around for a long time and I don\'t
think
a licence was required. 35MHz FM came in later, again no licence
required.

In the 1960s it required a license.

Nothing *requires* a license. Some things you\'re *supposed* to get
one, but you can use it without. It\'s the difference between law and
rule. I can\'t break the law of gravity, but I can break the \"law\"
(actually should be rule) of speeding.

\"Licence\" is a funny word. It means freedom. But when an activity is
\"licensed\" it means that you need special permission to do what you
could previously do anyway.

Yep. You need a dog license to do dogging...

Only if they\'re underage.

The same with passports. Once, you could go wherever you liked in the
world without any documentation. However, it might be a bit dangerous,
so the King issued documents to encourage Johnny Foreigner to be more
respectful. My passport says, \"Her Britannic Majesty\'s Secretary of
State Requests and requires in the Name of Her Majesty all those whom it
may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance,
and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be
necessary.\" (Presumably King Charles will honour the request of his
mother.)

Since WW1 (I think) we have needed a passport to /enter/ a foreign country.

More recently we have needed a passport to /leave/ the country, at least
by air.

And now we have \"visas\" (which just means \"seen\") that we have to have
to /enter/ a specific country, as well as the passport.

But not to go dogging, fortunately.

There\'s only one dogging place around here, and it\'s not the sort I like. Apparently there are no women.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 16:10:19 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 13:31:30 +0000, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 24/02/2023 04:17, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 16:28:53 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 18/02/2023 14:06, SteveW wrote:

27MHz AM radio control had been around for a long time and I don\'t think
a licence was required. 35MHz FM came in later, again no licence
required.

In the 1960s it required a license.

Nothing *requires* a license. Some things you\'re *supposed* to get one,
but you can use it without. It\'s the difference between law and rule.
I can\'t break the law of gravity, but I can break the \"law\" (actually
should be rule) of speeding.

\"Licence\" is a funny word. It means freedom. But when an activity is
\"licensed\" it means that you need special permission to do what you
could previously do anyway.

The same with passports. Once, you could go wherever you liked in the
world without any documentation. However, it might be a bit dangerous,
so the King issued documents to encourage Johnny Foreigner to be more
respectful. My passport says, \"Her Britannic Majesty\'s Secretary of
State Requests and requires in the Name of Her Majesty all those whom it
may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance,
and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be
necessary.\" (Presumably King Charles will honour the request of his mother.)

Since WW1 (I think) we have needed a passport to /enter/ a foreign country.

More recently we have needed a passport to /leave/ the country, at least
by air.

And now we have \"visas\" (which just means \"seen\") that we have to have
to /enter/ a specific country, as well as the passport.

English is wonderful. Words have many different, sometimes opposite,
meanings,

How the fuck is that wonderfull? It just promotes confusion.

Note I spelt wonderfull correctly, it\'s made of wonder and full, so there should be two Ls. High time we added logic to the language.

> and many words are available for mosty any concept or object.

That fills your head up with more words, probably slowing down everybody\'s thought process.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 09:55:24 -0000, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 25 Feb 2023 06:50:03 -0000, \"Commander
Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 15:53:53 -0000, R D S <rsandr@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 11/02/2023 08:16, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do circuit breakers go up for on and down for off? Would they work
installed upside down?
I haven\'t read the replies....
So you can\'t turn them on by accident?

I can think of no time I\'ve accidentally fallen on a switch.

Do you want someone to explain what he meant? I thought it was obvious.

Other than falling, how would down for on make it more likely to turn on by accident?

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, March 5, 2023 at 3:50:10 AM UTC+11, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 21:29:55 -0000, Joe Gwinn <joeg...@comcast.net> wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2023 17:38:10 GMT, sc...@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
John Larkin <jla...@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> writes:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 09:24:14 -0000, \"NY\" <m...@privacy.invalid> wrote:
\"Commander Kinsey\" <C...@nospam.com> wrote in message newsp.10pbl....@ryzen.home...

<snip>

Or intentionally. Or by putting a US penny (made of copper then) in the fuse holder, bypassing the fuse.

Why do you call a cent a penny? A penny is a hundredth of a British Pound.. That\'s money, not weight, you imperialistic fool.

There were twelve pence to a shilling and twenty shillings to a pound. A penny was one two hundred and fortieth of British pound.

Commander Kinsey must have gone to school more recently than I did. Americans do sometimes call their cents pennies

> You can put a short fat nail or screw into a British plug instead of a fuse. In case you need more than 13 amps. But our plugs are bloody robust, they could probably take 30 amps. Not those skinny little prongs you lot have..

It\'s not a good idea to rely on it.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney