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SteveW
Guest
On 28/02/2023 18:19, Mark Lloyd wrote:
Or for playing Pinky and Perky records and hearing normal voices!
Or for playing Pinky and Perky records and hearing normal voices!
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The Natural Philosopher
Guest
On 28/02/2023 17:30, Max Demian wrote:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/266152781538
--
âIt is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established
authorities are wrong.â
â Voltaire, The Age of Louis XIV
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/266152781538
--
âIt is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established
authorities are wrong.â
â Voltaire, The Age of Louis XIV
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 13:02:57 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
You should have got a transformer to take a bit of voltage off for your older appliances.
You should have got a transformer to take a bit of voltage off for your older appliances.
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 22:52:37 -0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
There\'s a power supply circuit for electronics with a series capacitor and zener diode that will run on any AC voltage. Perhaps not efficiently.
There\'s a power supply circuit for electronics with a series capacitor and zener diode that will run on any AC voltage. Perhaps not efficiently.
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 22:53:52 -0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:
I get 241 to 256 which is very variable, I guess the tapping changer isn\'t very fine. It\'s a new (a few years ago, replaced like for like or maybe a bit bigger) substation, but maybe the tapping changer is on the next substation up. The substation is right across the street. I complained when it went above the max tolerance, but they refused to fix it because the other end of the street would have dropped below the minimum, and they claimed going too low was worse for devices than too high. I\'m not too sure about that. I had many LED bulbs break, they could have been shit, it could have been the voltage, but they\'re all run through my computer\'s UPS now, which has a voltage tapper built in. I often see the orange LED on for \"voltage too high, reducing\". Not getting so many breaking now, but then I\'m using a different make.
I get 241 to 256 which is very variable, I guess the tapping changer isn\'t very fine. It\'s a new (a few years ago, replaced like for like or maybe a bit bigger) substation, but maybe the tapping changer is on the next substation up. The substation is right across the street. I complained when it went above the max tolerance, but they refused to fix it because the other end of the street would have dropped below the minimum, and they claimed going too low was worse for devices than too high. I\'m not too sure about that. I had many LED bulbs break, they could have been shit, it could have been the voltage, but they\'re all run through my computer\'s UPS now, which has a voltage tapper built in. I often see the orange LED on for \"voltage too high, reducing\". Not getting so many breaking now, but then I\'m using a different make.
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 16:17:58 -0000, Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:
Odd, you\'d think it would be easy enough to drop it to 230 with tappers. Mind you, it means we can draw less power through the cables, and they lose more power to heat through them.
Why do Europeans allow a lower voltage? The devices are supposed to be designed to take a certain range, so why have different tolerances in different countries?
Odd, you\'d think it would be easy enough to drop it to 230 with tappers. Mind you, it means we can draw less power through the cables, and they lose more power to heat through them.
Why do Europeans allow a lower voltage? The devices are supposed to be designed to take a certain range, so why have different tolerances in different countries?
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 21:21:51 -0000, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
I ask them to return it at the end of the day with 10% interest. If they look confused, I send them to the Business Education department.
> Like refute,
I think that means \"disagree\". Eg. you say \"The world is coming to an end tomorrow\", then I refute it, perhaps with some reasoning. Am I correct?
> obviously,
How can obviously be used incorrectly?
> gentleman,
To me this means a man who is courteous, what do you think it means?
> i.e., e.g.,
Never seen those used wrong.
> all words or phrases that are now used incorrectly more often than correctly.
I ask them to return it at the end of the day with 10% interest. If they look confused, I send them to the Business Education department.
> Like refute,
I think that means \"disagree\". Eg. you say \"The world is coming to an end tomorrow\", then I refute it, perhaps with some reasoning. Am I correct?
> obviously,
How can obviously be used incorrectly?
> gentleman,
To me this means a man who is courteous, what do you think it means?
> i.e., e.g.,
Never seen those used wrong.
> all words or phrases that are now used incorrectly more often than correctly.
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 23:10:20 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
Can\'t we class them as retarded and have them put down? Think how wonderful the world would be without them.
Can\'t we class them as retarded and have them put down? Think how wonderful the world would be without them.
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 03:41:11 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
Capacitor ladders are way more fun. You can get a million volts.
Capacitor ladders are way more fun. You can get a million volts.
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 21:10:52 -0000, micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
Kids playing with 110V? I thought yanks were scared of electricity.
> I took it apart and the windings were wound around a square
Isn\'t a square motor like a square wheel?
Why do you say yard when it\'s a garden? Yard is concrete, lawn is grass, flowerbed is flowers, garden is a mixture of the above.
When I was a kid we went on holiday to a cottage which was part of many being built. For some reason on the rough ground nearby were loads of loose bits of wire, I collected a tonne of it. Lasted me for years for all sorts of things.
And also of course there\'s the local tip, where you can get interesting stuff like old tumble dryers and take them to bits.
> I also had no real use for the motor.
I collected more motors than I ever used, ended up putting a box of 150 miscellaneous motors on freecycle. A young enthusiast took the lot.
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 13 Feb 2023 16:02:34 +0100, \"Carlos E. R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-02-13 14:32, NY wrote:
\"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote in message
news:kufpbjxm4u.ln2@Telcontar.valinor...
Essentially a stalled motor is a damn great inductor.
One of these...
https://www.meccanospares.com/E15R-BK-O.html
Found mine.
https://images.app.goo.gl/F9SPtFogTbukss1L8
When I was little I used to play with my dad\'s Meccano from when he was
a boy.
Me too
I never heard of a Meccano until today. I\'m 76 and live in the USA.
I was given by a friend an Erector Set motor that he had burned out
iirc.
110v AC.
Kids playing with 110V? I thought yanks were scared of electricity.
> I took it apart and the windings were wound around a square
Isn\'t a square motor like a square wheel?
Why do you say yard when it\'s a garden? Yard is concrete, lawn is grass, flowerbed is flowers, garden is a mixture of the above.
When I was a kid we went on holiday to a cottage which was part of many being built. For some reason on the rough ground nearby were loads of loose bits of wire, I collected a tonne of it. Lasted me for years for all sorts of things.
And also of course there\'s the local tip, where you can get interesting stuff like old tumble dryers and take them to bits.
> I also had no real use for the motor.
I collected more motors than I ever used, ended up putting a box of 150 miscellaneous motors on freecycle. A young enthusiast took the lot.
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 23:12:42 -0000, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
Never take things apart when they work. Just get more bits. Or use part of what you made to start a new project.
On 2/19/2023 1:10 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 13 Feb 2023 16:02:34 +0100, \"Carlos E. R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-02-13 14:32, NY wrote:
\"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote in message
news:kufpbjxm4u.ln2@Telcontar.valinor...
Essentially a stalled motor is a damn great inductor.
One of these...
https://www.meccanospares.com/E15R-BK-O.html
Found mine.
https://images.app.goo.gl/F9SPtFogTbukss1L8
When I was little I used to play with my dad\'s Meccano from when he was
a boy.
Me too
I never heard of a Meccano until today. I\'m 76 and live in the USA.
I was given by a friend an Erector Set motor that he had burned out
iirc.
110v AC. I took it apart and the windings were wound around a square so
they had 4 corners for each loop and every corner was broken. I spent
hour scraping the enamel, the paint from the end of each segment and
twisting them together, trying to use as little as possible that way
because I didnt\' want to shorten the total length. I thought that would
lower the resistance, increase the amperage and it woldn\'t work right.
When it was all done, it actually worked, but instead of wrapping it in
cotton cloth, i\'d used friction tape, cloth tape with adhesive, the
precursor to vinyl electric tape. and after 30 seconds the adhesive got
hot and started to smoke iirc. I knew it would just get worse so I
unplugged it. And I didn\'t try to recover it because I figured the
adhesive had melted and was now stuck to the windings.
The thought of buying new wire in the first place never entered my mind.
We had a nice house on an enormous yard, but no spare money for things
like that. I got presents once a year and that was enough. No money for
projects.
I also had no real use for the motor.
I was just going to say that the pic reminded me of the motor in my
erector set when I was 5 yo. I remember building a crane a few feet tall
powered by that motor/gearbox.
Was a \"Meccano\" the same as an erector set?
Just looked it up. Looks like a \"new-fangled\" erector set. Building a
new-fangled crane.
https://www.amazon.com/Meccano-Construction-Motorized-Building-Education/dp/B000GOF5S2?th=1.
Mine involved way more small metal parts and hundreds of screws and nuts
to assemble them. And just as many to take apart to put it away.
Never take things apart when they work. Just get more bits. Or use part of what you made to start a new project.
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Mon, 20 Feb 2023 11:53:53 -0000, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
An example pulled out of thin air which will probably never happen. Anything producing enough heat should blow the fuse anyway, since anything less than that is the intended consumption of the appliance.
And if we didn\'t earth the chassis of everything so much would be better. Like touching a live wouldn\'t conduct through your leg to the earthed washing machine. I de-earthed my microwave incase my pet parrot chewed the flex while stood on the microwave.
Apparently those namby pamby ELCBs don\'t like microwaves, since they deliberately leak to earth. At my work, someone had put an ELCB for a large section of the building, and a single microwave tripped it. The microwave was functioning just fine, but this stupid breaker kept cutting power to a large number of offices. They removed it.
Why do people keep changing the names? It was always Earth Leakage Circuit Breaker. Now we have RCD and GFCI. WTF? They mean the same thing! Stuff goes to earth and it switches off.
An example pulled out of thin air which will probably never happen. Anything producing enough heat should blow the fuse anyway, since anything less than that is the intended consumption of the appliance.
And if we didn\'t earth the chassis of everything so much would be better. Like touching a live wouldn\'t conduct through your leg to the earthed washing machine. I de-earthed my microwave incase my pet parrot chewed the flex while stood on the microwave.
Apparently those namby pamby ELCBs don\'t like microwaves, since they deliberately leak to earth. At my work, someone had put an ELCB for a large section of the building, and a single microwave tripped it. The microwave was functioning just fine, but this stupid breaker kept cutting power to a large number of offices. They removed it.
Why do people keep changing the names? It was always Earth Leakage Circuit Breaker. Now we have RCD and GFCI. WTF? They mean the same thing! Stuff goes to earth and it switches off.
N
NY
Guest
On 01/03/2023 12:40, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I remember a friend had been given a pair of field telephones which used
hand-cranked magnetos to ring each other. He wired the magneto to the
aluminium loft ladder and to a bit of tin foil on the floor of his
bedroom (*) and turned the handle as I reached the top and instinctively
put my hand on the foil. I nearly fell down the ladder. What a jape ;-)
Moral: be suspicious if you see a strange bit of tinfoil, and hear a
frantic winding of the magneto handle and suppressed laughter - and
don\'t go up the ladder in bare feet. I\'d guess those magnetos produced
about 80-100 V - a nasty belt :-(
(*) When his sister was born, his dad converted the loft into a new
bedroom for my friend, reached by a retracting loft ladder past which
everyone had to squeeze to reach the bathroom and separate loo. It
stayed like that for as long as I knew him afterwards - no room for a
proper staircase.
I remember a friend had been given a pair of field telephones which used
hand-cranked magnetos to ring each other. He wired the magneto to the
aluminium loft ladder and to a bit of tin foil on the floor of his
bedroom (*) and turned the handle as I reached the top and instinctively
put my hand on the foil. I nearly fell down the ladder. What a jape ;-)
Moral: be suspicious if you see a strange bit of tinfoil, and hear a
frantic winding of the magneto handle and suppressed laughter - and
don\'t go up the ladder in bare feet. I\'d guess those magnetos produced
about 80-100 V - a nasty belt :-(
(*) When his sister was born, his dad converted the loft into a new
bedroom for my friend, reached by a retracting loft ladder past which
everyone had to squeeze to reach the bathroom and separate loo. It
stayed like that for as long as I knew him afterwards - no room for a
proper staircase.
N
NY
Guest
On 01/03/2023 12:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
\"Oooo Matronnnnnnnnnnn!\"
I\'ve heard of discreet hand-operated pumps for that condition, but I\'ve
never heard of a motor-assisted dick.
\"Oooo Matronnnnnnnnnnn!\"
I\'ve heard of discreet hand-operated pumps for that condition, but I\'ve
never heard of a motor-assisted dick.
N
NY
Guest
On 01/03/2023 12:44, Commander Kinsey wrote:
I collected more loudspeakers that I knew what to do with - from old
radios etc. I also found a really good one in a wooden soundbox, at the
local tip (*), and connected it by a long length of GPO telephone \"drop
cable\" that the GPO man gave me when he changed the cable from the pole
to the house due to crackling on the line.
So I had this speaker in the garden shed, fed by the GPO cable from
dad\'s record player - I must have driven the neighbours mad.
I also went armed with a screwdriver whenever we went on holiday, and if
I found a derelict car in a \"car dump\" (**) I\'d remove the speedo and
switches. I mounted a Ford Anglia speedo with the cable connected to a
Meccano motor, which was switched on and off by a Mini ignition switch
(using the key number stamped on the switch). The Anglia speedo thus
registered about 50 mph when the key was turned on. I also had a Mini
headlamp as the main light in the den that I built in the loft, and
another motor to raise/lower a cardboard gullwing door on the den. All
powered from a mains-to-12V transformer.
(*) Near where we lived, the council used to put out a couple of skips
in a layby for people to dump anything they no longer needed. People
were always rooting through the skips, Womble-like, to nab anything that
looked interesting from the \"things that the everyday folk leave
behind\". Wouldn\'t be allowed nowadays: all skips have to be supervised
rather than just being left unattended, and taking things from skips has
been criminalised: even though someone has left an object there to go
into landfill etc, it is still deemed to belong to them and to be theft
if you remove it.
Incidentally, and I kid you not, there is a recycling centre in North
Yorkshire at a place called Wombleton:
https://www.northyorks.gov.uk/wombleton-household-waste-recycling-centre
- how very appropriate.
(**) A scenic little valley just down the road from a caravan site where
we were staying had been used as an unofficial car dump and there were
various Minis, Austin 1100s, Cortinas and Corsairs loosely stacked. It
must have been incredibly dangerous for me to go clambering over and in
these cars, but no-one really cared. My dad even helped me. I remember
being very proud of the \"knee-capping stalk\" from an early Ford Consul
Cortina/Corsair (pre-Aeroflow facelift) - this was a metal (or else very
hard plastic) tube that stuck out from the steering column with tab
switches for indicators and lights, and a button on the end for the
horn. In an accident, it was ideally placed to take your kneecap off :-(
I collected more loudspeakers that I knew what to do with - from old
radios etc. I also found a really good one in a wooden soundbox, at the
local tip (*), and connected it by a long length of GPO telephone \"drop
cable\" that the GPO man gave me when he changed the cable from the pole
to the house due to crackling on the line.
So I had this speaker in the garden shed, fed by the GPO cable from
dad\'s record player - I must have driven the neighbours mad.
I also went armed with a screwdriver whenever we went on holiday, and if
I found a derelict car in a \"car dump\" (**) I\'d remove the speedo and
switches. I mounted a Ford Anglia speedo with the cable connected to a
Meccano motor, which was switched on and off by a Mini ignition switch
(using the key number stamped on the switch). The Anglia speedo thus
registered about 50 mph when the key was turned on. I also had a Mini
headlamp as the main light in the den that I built in the loft, and
another motor to raise/lower a cardboard gullwing door on the den. All
powered from a mains-to-12V transformer.
(*) Near where we lived, the council used to put out a couple of skips
in a layby for people to dump anything they no longer needed. People
were always rooting through the skips, Womble-like, to nab anything that
looked interesting from the \"things that the everyday folk leave
behind\". Wouldn\'t be allowed nowadays: all skips have to be supervised
rather than just being left unattended, and taking things from skips has
been criminalised: even though someone has left an object there to go
into landfill etc, it is still deemed to belong to them and to be theft
if you remove it.
Incidentally, and I kid you not, there is a recycling centre in North
Yorkshire at a place called Wombleton:
https://www.northyorks.gov.uk/wombleton-household-waste-recycling-centre
- how very appropriate.
(**) A scenic little valley just down the road from a caravan site where
we were staying had been used as an unofficial car dump and there were
various Minis, Austin 1100s, Cortinas and Corsairs loosely stacked. It
must have been incredibly dangerous for me to go clambering over and in
these cars, but no-one really cared. My dad even helped me. I remember
being very proud of the \"knee-capping stalk\" from an early Ford Consul
Cortina/Corsair (pre-Aeroflow facelift) - this was a metal (or else very
hard plastic) tube that stuck out from the steering column with tab
switches for indicators and lights, and a button on the end for the
horn. In an accident, it was ideally placed to take your kneecap off :-(
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Sat, 18 Feb 2023 20:10:09 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
Why were they never made of something more grippy than highly polished steel?
Why were they never made of something more grippy than highly polished steel?
C
Commander Kinsey
Guest
On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 18:37:18 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
ROFL, there\'s still people wearing masks here. I went to hospital with a suspected broken thumb and everyone had a mask on. They glared at me sternly when I refused.
ROFL, there\'s still people wearing masks here. I went to hospital with a suspected broken thumb and everyone had a mask on. They glared at me sternly when I refused.
R
Rod Speed
Guest
On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 02:07:31 +1100, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com>
wrote:
And here.
> I went to hospital with a suspected broken thumb
I did too, to get a skin cancer removed.
> and everyone had a mask on.
The reception staff didnt, but all but me of the patients did.
> They glared at me sternly when I refused.
No one said anything to me, including the surgeon and he wasnt wearing one
either.
Just an initial consult, he hasnt done anything yet.
wrote:
And here.
> I went to hospital with a suspected broken thumb
I did too, to get a skin cancer removed.
> and everyone had a mask on.
The reception staff didnt, but all but me of the patients did.
> They glared at me sternly when I refused.
No one said anything to me, including the surgeon and he wasnt wearing one
either.
Just an initial consult, he hasnt done anything yet.
P
Peeler
Guest
On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 06:38:28 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
<FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins\' endless absolutely idiotic
blather>
--
TYPICAL retarded \"conversation\" between sociopath Rodent and sociopath
Birdbrain from August 26th 2018:
Birdbrain: \"I have one head but 5 fingers.\"
Senile Rodent: \"Obvious lie. You hairy legged cross dressers are so inbred
that you all have two heads.\"
Birdbrain: \"You\'re the one that likes hairy legs remember?\"
Senile Rodent: \"The problem isnt the hairy legs, it\'s the gross inbreeding
that
produces two headed unemployables like you.\"
Birdbrain: \"So why did you mention hairy legs?\"
Senile Rodent: \"Because that\'s what those who arent actually stupid enough
to shave their legs have.\"
Birdbrain: \"You only have hairy legs if both of the following are true:
1) You\'re quite far back on the evolutionary scale.
2) You haven\'t learned what a razor is for.\"
Senile Rodent: \"Only a terminal fuckwit or a woman shaves their legs.\"
Birdbrain: \"There is literally zero point in having hair all over your
body.\"
Senile Rodent: \"There is even less point in wasting your time changing what
you are born with.\"
MID: <fugfg5Fu49kU1@mid.individual.net>
_____________________________________________________________________________
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:
<FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins\' endless absolutely idiotic
blather>
--
TYPICAL retarded \"conversation\" between sociopath Rodent and sociopath
Birdbrain from August 26th 2018:
Birdbrain: \"I have one head but 5 fingers.\"
Senile Rodent: \"Obvious lie. You hairy legged cross dressers are so inbred
that you all have two heads.\"
Birdbrain: \"You\'re the one that likes hairy legs remember?\"
Senile Rodent: \"The problem isnt the hairy legs, it\'s the gross inbreeding
that
produces two headed unemployables like you.\"
Birdbrain: \"So why did you mention hairy legs?\"
Senile Rodent: \"Because that\'s what those who arent actually stupid enough
to shave their legs have.\"
Birdbrain: \"You only have hairy legs if both of the following are true:
1) You\'re quite far back on the evolutionary scale.
2) You haven\'t learned what a razor is for.\"
Senile Rodent: \"Only a terminal fuckwit or a woman shaves their legs.\"
Birdbrain: \"There is literally zero point in having hair all over your
body.\"
Senile Rodent: \"There is even less point in wasting your time changing what
you are born with.\"
MID: <fugfg5Fu49kU1@mid.individual.net>
_____________________________________________________________________________
T
tony sayer
Guest
I suggest you read up on how a RCD Residual Current Device works, ELCB
are rather olde hat now.
An RCD measures the current flowing on in one wire and that going out on
the other as long as they are in balance, then all fine.
However if they are not then they will trip. That is caused by some
current leaking to earth somewhere that could be a simple leakage fault
such as a heating element breaking down or it could be through your body
not good!
Its simply stupid to un-earth things like microwaves and the like what
if they developed a fault with current was leaking to the metalwork of
the unit that would then be live and is then capable if a shock not
pleasant! i had one once very very painful and I couldn\'t let go thats
the worst part this was in pre RCD days!
It is possible for a large number of PC\'s on one ring main to cause a
trip to go but it has to be quite a lot as they have capacitors in them
which are from live to earth and will introduce some leakage usually
much less then that the 30 ma RCD is designed to trip at.
--
Tony Sayer
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.
Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.