Why do circuit breakers go up for on and down for off?...

[Tabby]

On Sunday, 19 February 2023 at 12:30:07 UTC, Don Y wrote:

A comment I hear from my right-wing friends is that the EU \"deserves\"
the (energy) problems they\'re facing because they cozied up to Russia,
(presumably for short-term savings at the expense of energy independence).

If it were the main cause it would be us suffering because of our stupid politicians.

\"Why should *we* be shipping fuels to them and driving up domestic
prices? Shouldn\'t we try to capitalize on their dilemma? Isn\'t that
\'supply-and-demand\'? Maybe their markets will \'teach them\' that lesson...\"

We know, we don\'t need teaching. Politicians simply don\'t care. There is no credible party we can vote in at this point. The uk is in major political trouble. A lot more major than basic energy supply screwups.

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 10:23:10 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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[Carlos E. R.]

On 2023-02-14 21:40, NY wrote:

On 14/02/2023 19:50, Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 06:10:59 +1100, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

....

Pronunciation is definitely weird. Cholmondley and Featherstoneshaugh
(Fanshaw) are beyond weird. Leicester, Gloucester, Bicester are weird
but it\'s an easy rule to learn - but as usual there are exceptions:
Cirencester is pronounced as-spelled (Siren-sess-ter) unlike all the
other -cesters. Then there are Chesham Bois and Theydon Bois where the
\"bois\" is clearly from the French for \"wood\", but it\'s pronounced \"boys\"
rather than \"bwa\" (the French way). Do other English-speaking countries
have their own place/people names that have non-intuitive pronunciations?

The word \"México\" would be pronounced different in Spain than in Mexico.
Spaniards would want to write it now as \"Méjico\". The problem is, the
pronunciation of the letter \"x\" evolved differently in Spain than in
central/south américa, and Mexicans insist we write it with \'x\' and
pronounce it \'j\'


--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:06:06 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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williamwright addressing Rodent Speed:
\"This is getting beyond ridiculous now. You\'re trying to prove black\'s
white. You\'re arguing with someone who has been involved with the issues all
his working life when you clearly have no knowledge at all. I think you\'re
just being a pillock for the sake of it. You clearly don\'t actually believe
your own words. You must have a very empty life, and a sad embittered soul.
MID: <j08o6bFeqc1U1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Carlos E. R.]

On 2023-02-14 21:27, NY wrote:

On 14/02/2023 18:54, Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 05:30:17 +1100, Carlos E. R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-14 19:18, Rod Speed wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 01:17:43 +1100, Ian Jackson
ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:
In message <op.10bquhfubyq249@pvr2.lan>, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> writes
On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 08:00:14 +1100, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:




Yes, I\'m not saying that Japanese grass and veg is blue, just
they (apparently) used the same word to describe both green and
blue.

Sounds unlikely given that they must have noticed that the sky and
grass  arent the same color

Languages are strange things,
 Specially  the ones like english which have hijacked
useful words from any language of a country they
have fucked over or had anything to do with.

and some don\'t have words for the bleedin\' obvious.
 Can\'t think of any examples of that.

For example, Latin and in Gaelic seem to have difficulty with the
simple concept of \'Yes\' and \'No\'.
 Presumably because they prefer more subtle variations of those words.
 Same with languages which dont have a simple \'you\' and
have different words used for those you know well and
those you don\'t.

English uses \"you\" for both plural and singular.

Some use the word yous for the plural. I used to say \'you too\'
when asking the parents what they planned to do when together
and for some reason my stupid step mother didnt like that phrase.

\"Thou\" is not used.

I didn\'t mean that. I meant when two different words are
used in some languages like german for people who are
familiar to the speaker or not.

Yes, that is/was the distinction between thou (familiar) and you
(formal) - the exact same distinction as between tu/vous and du/Sie,
although vous and Sie can both mean you (plural) as well as you
(formal). English probably could do with a plural form of you; the
distinction between familiar and formal is less important.

Spanish has \"tú\" (singular, meaning \"thou\") and \"vosotros\" (plural).
Centuries ago, the formal usage was to use the plural, but shortened to
\"vos\".

Several american countries kept the usage of the formal \"vos\", but not
Spain.


--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 10:16:13 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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Marland answering senile Rodent\'s statement, \"I don\'t leak\":
\"That¢s because so much piss and shite emanates from your gob that there is
nothing left to exit normally, your arsehole has clammed shut through disuse
and the end of prick is only clear because you are such a Wanker.\"
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[Carlos E. R.]

On 2023-02-15 18:09, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 2/14/23 18:29, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 09:29:27 -0800, John Larkin wrote:

The US 411 directory assistance was sometimes confused with 911.

Just don\'t confuse it with 988 or the white coats will be on their way.

I\'m not suicidal, but if I was I wouldn\'t tell anybody. From what I\'ve
seen, the response is more like punishment than help.

Well, another view is kill yourself if that\'s your wish, but do not make
us deal with the mess. Or clean it. Includes writing a note so that none
is accused of murder.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 12 Feb 2023 20:04:28 +0000, The Natural
Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 12/02/2023 19:50, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-02-12 18:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 12/02/2023 15:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-02-12 15:36, Fredxx wrote:
On 12/02/2023 13:59, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-02-11 18:26, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 11/02/2023 17:03, John Larkin wrote:
120 would
only tickle anyhow.

How many guitarists and singers have been electrocuted on stage
from the \'death capacitor\' by 120V?

https://robrobinette.com/Death_Cap_and_Ground_Switch.htm


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/singer-guitarist-24-dies-after-26236520

120V Brazil

The death capacitor is suppose to go from neutral to ground.  On a
2 wire amp. Without a polarised plug.

So if the plug is reversed the chassis is at 120v AC with respect
to true ground,  via quite a reasonable sized capacitor.

Guitar is connected to amp ground. Microphone is connected to PA
system which may well be properly grounded.

Even worse is if one of the incoming mains wires is connected to
the chassis.

Full 120V across both sweaty hand clutching steel strings and a
mic stand is death causing.

These days everyone fits three pin polarised plugs, earths the
chassis and throws the death cap in the bin

Oh!

I always wondered how those things could happen, I thought it was
an urban legend. Of course, with transistor amplifiers like I built
the chasis was ground, never \"neutral\".

Many, many radios had their chassis at neutral potential. They would
generally have isolating cabinets and Bakelite knobs.

I\'m unsure that is, or was, the case in Spain, because the
plugs/sockets do not differentiate between live and neutral here. You
can connect the plugs in any direction.

Would the radio get more noise if the live is connected to the chasis?

probably. Its is also potentially lethal. My very first shock was a
tingle from a two wire valve radio when my finger contacted a grub
screw in the bakelite knob...

Hum, the volume spindle would be live.

I must remember to grab one of my old radios from storage and test. I
knew, but I have forgotten.


(My second was breaking a stalled Meccano motor connection to a 12v
toy train transformer. Took about another 5 years of physics till I
understood how you get a massive shock off 12V.)

I\'m curious. How?

The same way a car ignition coil generates 200V on its primary and 25kV
on its secondary. Inductive flyback.


The only Meccano motor I had came with no transformer, so I used
batteries or my own transformer, which was safe. Never shocked me.


12v battery can give you a hell of a shock connected to an ignition coil
cant it?

Think you need to revisit electrical circuits 101....

I never had a Meccano motor, but the first shock I got, I didn\'t get.

The Lionel train transformer broke and my mother bought a new, bigger
better one. It has 2 levers, one of which blew the whistle on the
engine except my engine had no whistle or horn.

I thought I should try to fix the old one and I took it apart, and after
an hour of fiddling with it, I noticed I hadn\'t gotten a shock, even
though it was STILL plugged in. Stupid, stupid. All it needed was a
new plug where the factory permanent plug had broken wires.

I did get a tingle when the plastic case had a piece broken out, from
our Emerson table radio which sat on a metal table with holes designed
in it. At the time, made in early 1950s, formica counters had metal
front edges. If I touched the table and the front edge I got a tingle.

More interesting was my father\'s crystal radio, that he bought for
emergencies (we never had one). All plastic, shaped like a hockey puck,
with a rubber band to go around your head and hold the puck up to your
ear, and with a wire and an alligator clip. No instructions so I
clipped it to the rabbit ears of the tv, for a better signal. I got a
whopping shock that way. I guess there shouldn\'t be 110 in the antenna,
but I think there was. The forced air heating duct grill was involved
somehow.
It was brown, with holes to hear the sound from the crystal inside,
and a clear plastic tuning know, but it only got one station, the
strongest one in town. Eventually it didn\'t get that and I broke it
open. It only had one or two parts so I couldn\'t fix it.

And just in the last month I started wearing a new brand of sneakers.
Everlast brand, that makes the boxing trunks. I have synthetic
carpeting at home but at the grocery I keep getting shocks from the
metal shelves. I\'ve worn 5 or 10 kinds of sneakers before and never
gotten shocks before.

 

[Peeler]

\"Who or What is Rod Speed?

Rod Speed is an entirely modern phenomenon. Essentially, Rod Speed
is an insecure and worthless individual who has discovered he can
enhance his own self-esteem in his own eyes by playing \"the big, hard
man\" on the InterNet.\"

https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/rod-speed-faq.2973853/

--
FredXX to Rodent Speed:
\"You are still an idiot and an embarrassment to your country. No wonder
we shipped the likes of you out of the British Isles. Perhaps stupidity
and criminality is inherited after all?\"
Message-ID: <plbf76$gfl$1@dont-email.me>

 

[Carlos E. R.]

On 2023-02-16 15:33, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 20:51:08 -0000, Carlos E. R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2023-02-13 20:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 18:28:57 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-02-11 16:45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 15:34:17 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 11/02/2023 12:01, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2023-02-11 12:31, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2023 11:16:07 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 11/02/2023 10:45, SteveW wrote:
On 11/02/2023 09:34, Brian Gaff wrote:



Earth and neutral are the same thing.  Only two wires enter my
house
from the substation.

Depends on the country.

It is not so even if \'only two wires enter the house\'.
Conventionally any metal pipes entering it provide the earth.

Wrong.  My earth joins the neutral in the meter box.

Not here.

The neutral is grounded (to rods inserted in the mud) at the
substation,
and at the homes we have to insert a different rod for earth, in our
mud, and is never joined to neutral.

\"Have to\"?  You don\'t have to do anything.  You have a perfectly good
ground in the wire, why make your own less effective one?

Here you do that, and the electricity company refuses to provide you
with electricity.

Do they regularly inspect your house?  Nobody is allowed access to a UK
house without a warrant.

Well, you have to pay a certified electrician to write for you a
certificate of the installation, and you have to give that to the
electricity company before you get the contract.

It is up to you. If you do not invite the \"inspector\" to come and see,
he will not sign the certificate and you don\'t get the electricity.

In some countries, the process is repeated periodically. No invitation,
contract voided, you have no electricity.

And someone gave you a perfect explanation of why that is dangerous as
hell.

I have seen no such explanation.  0V is 0V.

Yes, sure.
You did not read it, nor reason it.
Something about the connection to ground being faulty at the station,
and suddenly the chassis of your stove giving you a shock.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

 

[Simon S Aysdie]

On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 8:47:07 PM UTC-8, Clifford Heath wrote:

On 15/02/23 08:55, Don Y wrote:
A colleague sent along a copy of an article espousing a 2KW/hr/person
energy consumption rate as if it was a practical goal.

Yes, I\'m sure in some parts of the world, folks get by with
considerably *less*.

But, given that our cooling season will be starting RSN (despite
the fact that we\'re expecting ~20F overnight, this week) and
that guzzles power at an alarming rate.

I don\'t see any evidence that other parts of the country are
*considerably* more frugal/efficient, though.

www.eia.gov/consumption/residential/reports/2009/state_briefs/pdf/az.pdf
https://www.eia.gov/consumption/residential/reports/2009/state_briefs/

(Admittedly dated, no reflection on transportation)
Current world energy production (all forms, 2019 figures) is about
606EJ/year, of which 418EJ is delivered as useful energy to the consumer.

That\'s about 1700W/person, or 41kWh per day.

Do we really want to get to 2kWh/person/day?

I wouldn\'t intentionally make it happen but simply allow nature to take its course. The entire premise of this thread is rather creepy.

That\'s 83 watts, less than the resting energy consumption of a single
human body, before they attempt to walk, ride, drive, or heat their homes.

 

[Peeler]

On 15 Feb 2023 00:45:41 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

Ah, French... Amazon Prime has a series \'Three Pines\' that is set in
Quebec. I couldn\'t figure out one of the detective\'s names until I saw it
written Jean-Guy. I would have picked up on Jean-Paul or Jean-Marie but
Jonkey left me puzzled.

Goes to show again what a highly interesting and gorgeous personality you
have, you self-admiring twit! LOL

 

[Carlos E. R.]

On 2023-02-17 04:52, Rod Speed wrote:

On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 12:45:30 +1100, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-02-16 16:26, Scott Lurndal wrote:
micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> writes:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 16 Feb 2023 13:30:34 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2023-02-16 05:45, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 15 Feb 2023 23:32:44 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\" <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


I think all houses have circuit breakers, but that doesn\'t mean they
have a fully compliant installation.

I don\'t think they\'ve ever ordered that here.  Althought some people
remodel and upgrade on their own.  A friend bought a 100-year old
farmhouse about 10 years ago and it still had knob and tube wiring.  I
think it was connected and in use.
 A lot of insurance companies will exclude electric-caused issues
from the policy if the home has knob and tube here in the states.

I had to look it up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knob-and-tube_wiring

I\'ve never seen it here. Maybe, just maybe, something related from
before I was born. But we don\'t build houses with wood, like in the
photos. All brick, mortar, stone, concrete.

Bullshit.
https://www.google.com/search?q=wooden+houses+spain&tbm=isch

Did you check the percent?

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

 

[micky]

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 20 Feb 2023 10:11:56 +0000, The Natural
Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 19/02/2023 22:13, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On 2023-02-19, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sun, 19 Feb 2023 12:41:15 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

It is quite hard in the UK to get a mortgage on a 100% timber frame.

That would explain the Soviet style apartment blocks I see in British
films. Some attempt to dress up the poured concrete construction with
limited success.

The word you\'re looking for is brutalism. It was/is a style:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brutalist_architecture

Almost all new construction in this area is platform
framed wood construction, sheathed with OSB, wrapped in Tyvek, and some
sort of decorative siding applied. The exception is multistory commercial
buildings.

It\'s about how this country was settled: plenty of timber, no
restrictions on cutting it on your own property; easy for the
yeoman-farmer to build with, especially since there were all
those felled trees left from clearing the virgin forest.

It\'s not a bad material. The oldest surviving timber-frame house
in the U.S. was built in about 1640.

There\'s quite a few older than that in the UK.

However the problem is that the statistics show that eventually nearly
all of them catch fire.

I don\'t see how that could be. There are maybe 100,000 wooden houses in
the Baltimore area and I don\'t think more than 50 burn down a year.
That\'s 5/100\'s of a percent, which means it would take 2000 years for
them all to burn down. Is that what you mean by eventually? We lose
about 10 or 20 very nice houses a year by new owners tearing them down
to build something bigger or nicer. As neighborhoods get older, that
number is surely increases, before they have a chance to burn down.

And there is nothing left to rebuild.

 

[Peeler]

On 15 Feb 2023 00:29:10 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> Just don\'t confuse it with 988 or the white coats will be on their way.

<BG> No suprise that YOU would know THAT number!

--
More of the senile gossip\'s absolutely idiotic senile blather:
\"I stopped for breakfast at a diner in Virginia when the state didn\'t do
DST. I remarked on the time difference and the crusty old waitress said
\'We keep God\'s time in Virginia.\'

I also lived in Ft. Wayne for a while.\"

MID: <t0tjfa$6r5$1@dont-email.me>

 

[Peeler]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2023 17:02:36 +0100, cretinous Carlos E.R., another brain
dead troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

Yes, sure.
You did not read it, nor reason it.
Something about the connection to ground being faulty at the station,
and suddenly the chassis of your stove giving you a shock.

Senile smartass still doesn\'t get what\'s going on here! LMAO

 

[Don Y]

On 2/19/2023 12:01 PM, Tabby wrote:

On Sunday, 19 February 2023 at 12:21:48 UTC, Don Y wrote:

Our refrigerator costs $76/year to operate (based on *some* sort of
\"standard\" which may or may not reflect how we will use it). Other models
of comparable capacity/features are $71 - $83 to operate. Should we have
opted for the $71/yr model (ignoring all else)? Would that $5/year have
made a difference for a $4000 refrigerator?

why on earth would anyone pay 4k for domestic fridge? If it\'s a catering
walk-in type, fair enough. Last I looked the standard new fridge was around
150.

I didn\'t say we *paid* $4000 for the refrigerator. Rather, that\'s
what the manufacturer wants you to consider its \"value\" to be.

One can find refrigerators at all different price points based
on size, reliability, warranty, appearance, features, etc.

Two \"big box\" stores (NOT catering to \"high end\" buyers):
<https://www.homedepot.com/b/Appliances-Refrigerators/N-5yc1vZc3pi>
<www.lowes.com/c/Refrigerators-Appliances>

A 1.5 cu ft \"dorm refrigerator\" is $125 (MSRP):
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/Magic-Chef-1-7-cu-ft-Freezerless-Mini-Fridge-in-Stainless-Steel-HMAR170STE/305026423>

And, if little Timmy goes to a fancy school, you can drop $1600 on
one of the same capacity:
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/Summit-Appliance-1-6-cu-ft-Mini-Fridge-in-Stainless-Steel-without-Freezer-FF1DSS24/318561179?>
(freezer, of course, not included!)

Double the capacity and you\'re at a higher price point:
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RCA-3-2-cu-ft-Mini-Fridge-in-Black-Stainless-Steel-RFR335-COM/308471551>

<https://www.homedepot.com/p/Whirlpool-3-1-cu-ft-Mini-Fridge-in-Stainless-Steel-with-Dual-Door-True-Freezer-WHR31TS4E/313862801>

Oooo, look! You can adjust the temperature in THIS one!
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/Boyel-Living-3-2-cu-ft-Compact-Mini-Fridge-in-Black-with-Freezer-Reversible-Door-and-5-Settings-Temperature-Adjustable-MRS-MNBX01-BLA/318076213>

And this one even TRIES to look like a real frig:
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/RCA-31-in-5-5-cu-ft-Side-by-Side-2-Door-Mini-Fridge-in-Black-RFR551/305720485>

(Of course, we\'re at a considerably higher price point ($500) and still
painfully small -- 5.5 cu ft)

[No one would consider any of these to be \"refrigerators\" -- except college
students trying to keep a few things cool in a dorm room with limited
space and power]

And, who doesn\'t need a special frig to store their Kimchi and beverages?
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/Samsung-36-5-in-7-6-cu-ft-Kimchi-and-Beverage-Specialty-Chest-Refrigerator-in-Stellar-Silver-RP22T31137Z/315425328>
I guess you can afford $1800 for that if you really think you have that
specific of a need!

For $800 you can be the proud owner of a frig by Equator! (I\'m sure
they\'re a big name SOMEWHERE... just not here!)
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/Equator-14-3-cu-ft-Refrigerator-Freezer-Top-Mount-Frost-Free-E-Star-Europe-in-Stainless-RF-142-S/322847782>

A \"small\" *practical* refrigerator is probably in the 15 cu ft range and
likely >> $600.

At 17 cu ft, a Frigidaire (used to be a good name) for $1800 (MSRP):
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/Frigidaire-17-4-cu-ft-4-Door-Refrigerator-in-Brushed-Steel-FRQG1721AV/316371838>

An 18 cu ft by ConServ (yet another \"household name\" -- NOT!) at $1275:
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/ConServ-18-cu-ft-Frost-Free-Top-Mount-Refrigerator-with-Pre-Installed-Ice-Maker-TMRI-180-S/322589956>

Note that you don\'t really see many practical offerings until you\'re
above 20 cu ft.

Want an ice maker? Want something besides plain white? Water dispenser
(with internal filter)? Crushed ice? Through the door dispensing? Counter
depth? A camera to see what\'s inside without opening the door (or, while
you\'re off shopping)? Door-in-door? HiTech?

<https://www.homedepot.com/b/Smart-Home-Smart-Appliances-Smart-Refrigerators/N-5yc1vZch9h>

At $4699 for 30 cu ft:
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/LG-Electronics-30-cu-ft-French-Door-Refrigerator-InstaView-Full-Convert-Drawer-Craft-Ice-in-PrintProof-Black-Stainless-Steel-LRMVS3006D/312286019>
almost a thousand dollars cheaper (\"on sale\") if you\'ll settle for \"stainless\":
<https://www.homedepot.com/p/LG-Electronics-30-cu-ft-French-Door-Refrigerator-InstaView-Full-Convert-Drawer-Craft-Ice-in-PrintProof-Stainless-Steel-LRMVS3006S/312285981>

Want to impress your friends? At only $10,400:

<https://www.homedepot.com/p/Cafe-29-6-cu-ft-Smart-Built-In-Side-by-Side-Refrigerator-in-Stainless-Steel-CSB48WP2NS1/309425168>

Kitchens are where most of the value in a home lies:

\"In its annual Cost vs. Value report for 2022, Remodeling Magazine
puts the national average for a midrange major kitchen remodel at
$80,809 and an upscale major kitchen remodel at $158,015. In the
Pacific region (Alaska, California, Washington and Oregon), according
to Remodeling Magazine, that same midrange major kitchen remodel
jumps to $88,229 and an upscale major kitchen remodel jumps up
$13,135 from the national average, to $171,150. Compare those costs
to the South Atlantic Region (Maryland, South Carolina, Florida, North
Carolina, Georgia, Virginia and Washington, D.C.) where a midrange
major kitchen remodel prices out at $77,770 and an upscale major
kitchen remodel is $152,672. The addition of luxury stone or marble
countertops, high-end faucets and flooring, a commercial-grade range
and luxury faucets can all significantly increase the cost of a renovation.

HomeAdvisor puts the average 2023 kitchen remodel price in the $14,549 to
$40,425 range. A small kitchen remodel can cost as little as $10-15,000 and
a lavish remodel can cost as much as $130,000+.\"

from
<https://www.hgtv.com/design/remodel/kitchen-remodel/what-is-average-cost-remodel-kitchen>

 

[rbowman]

On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 22:46:13 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ve23i5K334


It must be a fake!

I had a friend with a PhD in electronics who might have had a problem with
it. A full circuit analysis taking into account the internal resistance of
the battery and so forth would be easy.

He wasn\'t quiet that bad although he lived in his head and not the
physical world. One day he demonstrated why you shouldn\'t put a random
piece of wire across the terminals of a car battery to see if it is dead.
Spoiler: it wasn\'t.

 

[Martin Brown]

On 15/02/2023 01:15, Don Y wrote:

On 2/14/2023 5:56 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:

A more irksome problem is lack of knowledge. People do not always act
in their own best financial interests, and do not necessarily trust
correct advice that seems counter-intuitive, especially if it comes
from politicians.

Here, the problem is the (relatively low) cost of energy.  Folks
cringe at $4 gas.  What\'s a liter cost in the EU?

It is coming down a bit now but has been as high as £2 ~ $3 (although
former PM Liz Truss made that down to almost $2 by crashing the pound).

They have had to increase the limits on pay at pump transactions because
£100 was no longer sufficient to fill a nearly empty fuel tank.

Right now it is about £1.60 ~ $2/L so about $8 /US gallon in the UK.

And, there are so many things that don\'t identify their energy costs
in a meaningful way.  There\'s no \"fuel gauge\" on most devices
that alerts you (indirectly) to how often you have to \"fill up\"
and no way of gauging how long that \"tank\" will last you...

I take it you mean lawn mowers and chain saws?

They may not have a fuel gauge but you can just look in the tank and see
how much fuel. Mine is just big enough to cut all the grass on a tank.
The amount used this way in a season is less then a 10L jerry can.

--
Martin Brown

 

[Don Y]

On 2/19/2023 12:05 PM, Tabby wrote:

On Sunday, 19 February 2023 at 12:30:07 UTC, Don Y wrote:

A comment I hear from my right-wing friends is that the EU \"deserves\" the
(energy) problems they\'re facing because they cozied up to Russia,
(presumably for short-term savings at the expense of energy
independence).

If it were the main cause it would be us suffering because of our stupid
politicians.

Who *gave* the politicians their jobs?

\"Why should *we* be shipping fuels to them and driving up domestic prices?
Shouldn\'t we try to capitalize on their dilemma? Isn\'t that
\'supply-and-demand\'? Maybe their markets will \'teach them\' that
lesson...\"

We know, we don\'t need teaching. Politicians simply don\'t care. There is no
credible party we can vote in at this point. The uk is in major political
trouble. A lot more major than basic energy supply screwups.

When you get The Masses making stupid decisions based on inflammatory
rhetoric, then you get pols who are loyal to such rhetoric, not
the realities around them (or their constituents).

Farmers, here, have consistently voted republican. Climate change denialism.
Wonder what they\'ll do when their farms blow away?

Will they see themselves as the cause? Or, will they take solace in knowing
that they kept some trans-gender GUY from competing in female athletics??

\"Gotta have your priororities!\"
-- A. Bunker