Whingeing retail billionaires and the 10% GST

[kreed]

On Dec 23, 4:27 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:

Rob wrote:
How many Australian Manufactured Items does Harvey Norman stores stock in support Australian Industry?

Varys with the part of the store. Its not too bad in some areas like matresses etc.

And when they dont its mostly because there is no locally manufactured stuff
available or the customers wont pay the price for the locally made stuff.

There is no way out of that problem when overseas labor costs are so dramatically lower.

And we clearly don't need to support australian industry at that level when
the unemployment rate is 5% with most of it made outside the country.
At that unemployment rate, anyone who wants a job can get one.

A lot of the lounge suites etc that HN they stock are Australian
Made.
We were in the market for a new one last year and noticed this at the
time.

Ended up getting one from HN in Brisbane as they had one the missus
loved and
a very good price.

 

[kreed]

On Dec 23, 11:50 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:

Mr.T wrote

Rob <mesam...@gmail.com> wrote
Each and every Labor government has stuffed around with the economy.
Gough started with a 3500b in the coffers and ended up with 3500b in the red.
As did many countries during the first oil crisis.
Keating as treasurer increased sales tax to make ends sort of meet.
And Howard introduced a GST so the poor could pay for tax cuts for the rich.

Thats a lie. The GST goes to the states, doesnt affect federal income tax rates.

And Cheating had tax cuts for the rich anyway.

And reduced services and infrastructure spending,
and privatised everything to make ends meet.

Corse Cheating never ever privatised anything at all, eh ?

Now we are gong to spend more than we got for the sale of Telstra, to provide the
infrastructure that Telstra once provided at a PROFIT to the government/taxpayer.

Not once its flogged off again we aint.

What an amazing cock up that decsion was, nearly as bad as privatising
public transport and continuing to pay MORE in taxpayer funds for it's
infrastructure than we did when the government owned it. :-(

No one ever has private industry build public transport, stupid.

As I understand it, the rail link from Eagle Junction station to the
Brisbane Airport is private, and to use it the fare is exhorbitant.

 

[SG1]

"kreed" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 23, 4:41 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:

Benway (original non-Zionist) wrote



kreed wrote
Mr.T <MrT@home> wrote
kreed <kenreed1...@gmail.com> wrote
Why bother ? Our energy systems work fine as they are right now.
Got enough coal to last for centuries, one of the cheapest ways to
make electricity
If there isn't enough capacity, then build more power stations.
Exactly, they don't "work fine as they are" because they have not
increased generating capacity to meet demand. With global emmission
targets, continuing to build coal fired power stations is not gonna
happen. Carbon capture and seqestration is only a pipe dream, and
it would probably be cheaper to invest in solar, wind, tidal,
geothermal, or even nuclear. Let's face it, it's a lot easier to
live without high speed internet than electricity!
The AGW is just a scam, but for that reason our
weak crooked leaders will continue to pursue it,

Odd that the Dud gave up on it.

He did, though the solar rebate still applies,
but the Carbon bullshit still raises its head from time to time from
Gillard.
AKA "Price on Carbon"

The Dud reduced the rebate, while I was waiting for my install from $8K to
$7.5K. Check what it is now....

 

[Mr.T]

And Howard introduced a GST so the poor could pay for tax cuts for the
rich.

Thats a lie. The GST goes to the states, doesnt affect federal income tax
rates.

So you think those tax cuts introduced by Howard at the same time were just
co-incidence?
And the reduction in grants from the Feds to the states was another
co-incidence?
What drugs are you on?

And Cheating had tax cuts for the rich anyway.

Yep, they all do, Rudd did however introduce tax cuts for the poor after 10
years of the Libs charging income tax on people earning less than the
dole!!!! AND introducing a GST to make them even worse off of course.

Corse Cheating never ever privatised anything at all, eh ?

Yep, as I said, they all do. They are ALL bastards!

Now we are gong to spend more than we got for the sale of Telstra, to
provide the
infrastructure that Telstra once provided at a PROFIT to the
government/taxpayer.

Not once its flogged off again we aint.

We will NEVER make a profit on the NBN, AND they will sell it at a loss.

No one ever has private industry build public transport, stupid.

IF that were so, why privatise it then? You are wrong though of course.

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

"kreed" <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote in message
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A lot of the lounge suites etc that HN they stock are Australian
Made.

That's about all, and only because shipping costs allow them to compete with
imported ones.
Actually a few Fridges are still made here for the same reason.

MrT.

 

[Mr.T]

"fritz" <yaputya@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Gough came to power at a time when employment would never be 2% again,
no matter who was in charge.

He did make a university education free for those clever enough, not just
those who could pay enough.

He also eliminated the ridiculous TV license fee, something much of Europe
still hangs on to - to prop up TV stations that cannot compete.

He also led the world in banning tobacco advertising on TV - which has
probably
saved thousands of lives. Something only the 'socialists' would have done
in
the '70s - the lieberals were happy to see their tobacco industry shares
rise
alongside the deaths from tobacco-related causes.

And he introduced universal health care!

Anyway, the definition of 'employed' has also changed. It used to mean a
full-time job, now it means a few hours a month.

NOT so, ANYBODY not on the dole is NOT counted as unemployed, no matter how
many hours they work or don't work. Plenty of people that WOULD work are not
counted as unemployed because the government doesn't care about the ones who
don't cost them anything!.

MrT.

 

[Rod Speed]

kreed wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
Mr.T wrote
Rob <mesam...@gmail.com> wrote

Each and every Labor government has stuffed around with the economy.
Gough started with a 3500b in the coffers and ended up with 3500b in the red.

As did many countries during the first oil crisis.

Keating as treasurer increased sales tax to make ends sort of meet.

And Howard introduced a GST so the poor could pay for tax cuts for the rich.

Thats a lie. The GST goes to the states, doesnt affect federal income tax rates.

And Cheating had tax cuts for the rich anyway.

And reduced services and infrastructure spending,
and privatised everything to make ends meet.

Corse Cheating never ever privatised anything at all, eh ?

Now we are gong to spend more than we got for the sale
of Telstra, to provide the infrastructure that Telstra once
provided at a PROFIT to the government/taxpayer.

Not once its flogged off again we aint.

What an amazing cock up that decsion was, nearly as bad as privatising
public transport and continuing to pay MORE in taxpayer funds for
it's infrastructure than we did when the government owned it. :-(

No one ever has private industry build public transport, stupid.

As I understand it, the rail link from Eagle Junction station to the
Brisbane Airport is private, and to use it the fare is exhorbitant.

Thats a tiny part of the BrizVegas rail system.

 

[Rod Speed]

Mr.T wrote

Rod Speed wrote
Mr.T wrote

And Howard introduced a GST so the poor could pay for tax cuts for the rich.

Thats a lie. The GST goes to the states, doesnt affect federal income tax rates.

So you think those tax cuts introduced by Howard at the same time were just co-incidence?

Those werent FOR THE RICH, they were to partially compensate those who
then had to pay tax on some of the stuff that was previously sales tax exempt.

And the reduction in grants from the Feds to the states was another co-incidence?

Nothing to do with your lie, TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH.

What drugs are you on?

You've obviously gone blind from too much wanking, you cant even
manage to read and comprehend what you said in your own lie.

And Cheating had tax cuts for the rich anyway.

Yep, they all do,

Yep, so your original is a bare faced lie.

Rudd did however introduce tax cuts for the poor

All the others had tax cuts for the poor too.

after 10 years of the Libs charging income
tax on people earning less than the dole!!!!

The rich paid much higher amounts of income tax!!!!!!!!

AND introducing a GST to make them even worse off of course.

Thats another bare faced lie, the income tax cuts that
happened at the same time as the GST was introduced
ensured that the poorest paid less total tax.

Corse Cheating never ever privatised anything at all, eh ?

Yep, as I said, they all do.

Another lie, Ming and Witless didnt.

They are ALL bastards!

And so are you pathological liars.

Now we are gong to spend more than we got for the sale
of Telstra, to provide the infrastructure that Telstra once
provided at a PROFIT to the government/taxpayer.

Not once its flogged off again we aint.

We will NEVER make a profit on the NBN,

Irrelevant to whether the taxpayer will be paying for it.

In fact it will be the users of it that will be paying
for it, just like they paid for the copper network too.

AND they will sell it at a loss.

Bet they dont. They didnt with the copper network.

No one ever has private industry build public transport, stupid.

IF that were so, why privatise it then?

Because they run it a lot more efficiently than shinybums ever do.

You are wrong though of course.

Like hell I am with the entire public transport system.

 

[Rod Speed]

Mr.T wrote

kreed <kenreed1999@gmail.com> wrote

A lot of the lounge suites etc that HN they stock are Australian Made.

That's about all,

Another bare faced lie. Most of the matresses and the bigger fridges and freezers are too.

and only because shipping costs allow them to compete with imported ones.

Another pig ignorant lie.

Actually a few Fridges are still made here for the same reason.

Its a hell of a lot more than just a few.

 

[Rod Speed]

Mr.T wrote

fritz <yaputya@microsoft.com> wrote

Gough came to power at a time when employment would never be 2% again,

no matter who was in charge.

He did make a university education free for those
clever enough, not just those who could pay enough.

He also eliminated the ridiculous TV license fee, something much of
Europe still hangs on to - to prop up TV stations that cannot compete.

He also led the world in banning tobacco advertising on TV -
which has probably saved thousands of lives. Something only
the 'socialists' would have done in the '70s - the lieberals were
happy to see their tobacco industry shares rise alongside the
deaths from tobacco-related causes.

And he introduced universal health care!

Another lie, it didnt cover foreigners.

Anyway, the definition of 'employed' has also changed. It used
to> mean a full-time job, now it means a few hours a month.

NOT so, ANYBODY not on the dole is NOT counted as unemployed,
no matter how many hours they work or don't work.

Another pig ignorant lie. The ABS does not use the dole as the measure of who is unemployed.

Plenty of people that WOULD work are not counted as unemployed because
the government doesn't care about the ones who don't cost them anything!.

Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/0/BAEE975B131AD2CACA25775900180C64?opendocument
The comment on sampling error proves that they dont count those receiving the dole.

 

[terryc]

Rod Speed wrote:

Thats a lie. The GST goes to the states,

Yep, instead grants to states for other things, they got some of the GST
colleted in their state

doesnt affect federal income tax rates.
what do you think little johnny did with the grant money he saved?

 

[Rod Speed]

terryc wrote

Rod Speed wrote
Mr.T wrote
Rob <mesamine@gmail.com> wrote

Keating as treasurer increased sales tax to make ends sort of meet.

And Howard introduced a GST so the poor could pay for tax cuts for the rich.

Thats a lie. The GST goes to the states,

Yep, instead grants to states for other things, they got some of the GST colleted in their state

Some states got more than the GST collected in their state.

doesnt affect federal income tax rates.

what do you think little johnny did with the grant money he saved?

That went on lower taxes for the low income earners to compensate them for
the GST they now had to pay on stuff that was not previously sales taxed.

 

[John Tserkezis]

Don McKenzie wrote:

Whingeing retail billionaires and the 10% GST

Gerry Harvey (Harvey Norman) says he is loosing money because people are
shopping on line from overseas, in order to save the 10% GST. Wrong
Gerry. It is not about the 10%. It is about greed. Why pay sometimes two
to three times the price here, when you can get it from the US or China,
for a third of the price. Retailers simply have to be more competitive.

My attitude on this has been the same for several years. Bring it on.
I've routinely brought in goods from overseas WITH GST paid, and still
have it significantly cheaper than buying locally.

If they think the government mandated 10% is the difference between a
viable business or a closed shop, they crazier than I am.

And Australia Post is going broke because ordinary mail is being
overtaken by email. What about all the packages that are being delivered
from overseas that Gerry Harvey keeps telling us about. You can't have
it both ways.

That's what they're claiming (though it appears not to be the case) and
regardless, it's a case of boo bloody hoo.

And the motor vehicle killed off the horse-drawn carriage too. And of
the half dozen or so people who are crying about that are probably doing
it from their climate controlled modern motor vehicles. Hypocrites.
--
I'm not fat just horizontally disproportionate.

 

[fritz]

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message news:8nfv9dFb9nU1@mid.individual.net...

Mr.T wrote
And he introduced universal health care!

Another lie, it didnt cover foreigners.

Why should Aussies pay for the problems that reffos introduce ?
Are you a Pom ?

 

[Benway (original non-Zion]

fritz wrote:

"SG1" <lostitall@the.races> wrote in message news:4d127cff$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message news:8neu8sFr90U1@mid.individual.net...
Rob wrote:

How many Australian Manufactured Items does Harvey Norman stores stock in support Australian Industry?

Varys with the part of the store. Its not too bad in some areas like matresses etc.

And when they dont its mostly because there is no locally manufactured stuff
available or the customers wont pay the price for the locally made stuff.

There is no way out of that problem when overseas labor costs are so dramatically lower.

And we clearly dont need to support australian industry at that level when
the unemployment rate is 5% with most of it made outside the country.
At that unemployment rate, anyone who wants a job can get one.

My how one's perception changes with time. In the 60s the unemployment rate was 2% and that was classified as FULL employment.
Then came Gough the destroyer and unemployment will never be 2% again. Now full employment is classified as an unemployment rate
of 5%. A full 2 1/2 times what it used to be. Thank you Labor party idealist shit......

Gough came to power at a time when employment would never be 2% again,
no matter who was in charge.

He did make a university education free for those clever enough, not just
those who could pay enough.

He also eliminated the ridiculous TV license fee, something much of Europe
still hangs on to - to prop up TV stations that cannot compete.

He also led the world in banning tobacco advertising on TV - which has probably
saved thousands of lives. Something only the 'socialists' would have done in
the '70s - the lieberals were happy to see their tobacco industry shares rise
alongside the deaths from tobacco-related causes.

Anyway, the definition of 'employed' has also changed. It used to mean a
full-time job, now it means a few hours a month.

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rather die than admit they have been fooled all this time.

Inner sadism expresses itself in the physical
world. Those infected with globalist plague are at
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go over the edge, don't blame gravity. Enormous
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of plague immigration in this disaster, we say
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Australia's private debt to GDP ratios

How the real estate Ponzi scheme debt-bubble
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Government debt look miniscule.

Ratio of Debt / GDP ___________________________ Year

::150% ________________________________________ 2008
::140% _______________________________________ 2006
::130% ______________________________________ 2005
::120% _____________________________________ 2004
::110% __________________________________ 2001
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[Rod Speed]

fritz wrote

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
Mr.T wrote

And he introduced universal health care!

Another lie, it didnt cover foreigners.

Why should Aussies pay for the problems that reffos introduce ?

Never said they should, JUST rubbed his nose in the fact that it wasnt universal.

Are you a Pom ?

Nope.

 

[Mr.T]

And he introduced universal health care!

Another lie, it didnt cover foreigners.

Sure it does, even those boat people they call illegal immigrants get free
health care while in detention! Plus a HUGE number of Australian residents
who are not Australian citizens. In that respect it goes TOO far IMO.

MrT.

 

[Rod Speed]

Mr.T wrote

Rod Speed wrote
Mr.T wrote
fritz <yaputya@microsoft.com> wrote

Gough came to power at a time when employment would never be 2% again,

no matter who was in charge.

He did make a university education free for those
clever enough, not just those who could pay enough.

He also eliminated the ridiculous TV license fee, something much of
Europe still hangs on to - to prop up TV stations that cannot compete.

He also led the world in banning tobacco advertising on TV -
which has probably saved thousands of lives. Something only
the 'socialists' would have done in the '70s - the lieberals were
happy to see their tobacco industry shares rise alongside the
deaths from tobacco-related causes.

And he introduced universal health care!

Another lie, it didnt cover foreigners.

Sure it does,

No it didnt.

even those boat people they call illegal immigrants
get free health care while in detention!

There were no boat people then, stupid.

Plus a HUGE number of Australian residents who are not Australian citizens.

That wasnt the case when Witless introduced it either.

In that respect it goes TOO far IMO.

Yes, but that wasnt what Witless introduced.

His didnt even cover all australians, most obviously with those
with no healthcare anywhere near them and with dental.

 

[Doug Jewell]

On 22/12/2010 6:38 PM, Rob wrote:

How many Australian Manufactured Items does Harvey Norman
stores stock in support Australian Industry?
I bought a fridge from there about a year ago and was very

surprised to find it is made in Australia.

We went looking for a couch there too, and practically
everything they had was Australian made. We ended up buying
foreign from another store because the aussie made stuff was
more than we were prepared to spend on something that will
get trashed by the kids. I'd hazard a guess that in
furniture they deliberately stock aussie made even if it is
to their detriment because they don't have the cheap imports.

Computer stuff & tv's etc you'd find bugger all aussie made
stuff, but that's because there is bugger all aussie made
stuff in the first place. One of the PC's I bought there was
"Assembled in Australia", which is better than nothing. I
have noticed Australian software (education software) on
their shelves.

--
What is the difference between a duck?

 

[John Tserkezis]

Doug Jewell wrote:

Computer stuff & tv's etc you'd find bugger all aussie made stuff, but
that's because there is bugger all aussie made stuff in the first place.
One of the PC's I bought there was "Assembled in Australia", which is
better than nothing. I have noticed Australian software (education
software) on their shelves.

Getting that "Made In Australia" sticker to stick is a farce too.

A place I used to work for made some electronic gear.

With the exception of the actual components, the battery, and the
waterproof case, EVERYTHING else was entirely designed and assembled
here. And that was only because Australia doesn't actually make any of
those critical bits.

The circuit was designed by us.
The control software was written by us.
The PCBs were designed here, manufactured here and assembled here.
The aluminium chassis case was designed by us, and manufactured here also.
The whole thing was assembled, tested and calibrated here.

Though all the electronic components came from overseas, with exception
to a couple of the speciality bits, all others were purchased locally
where possible.

Our "second generation" box did not have a "Made In Australia" sticker
on it, and the boss went to great pains to point out that it also should
NOT have the sticker on it.

When I questioned why (the first generation box DID have the sticker
after all), he said it costs a bomb to have the right to display the
sticker, so he told them to fuck off. (though perhaps not in those
particular words), the clients already knew we made them anyway, so he
saw no point in paying lots of money for something that doesn't really
add anything to the product.



In constrast, I did a Compaq course a bazillion years ago, where they
told us (quite proudly) they only had something like 11% (long time ago,
my numbers might be wrong) Australian content on their gear before being
able to display the assembled in Australia sticker.
Yep, the McDonalds-style cardboard, paper, plastic and foam packaging,
counts as Australian content too, even if the ENTIRE computer was imported.
Though to be fair, some specific bits of the software was configured or
modified to suit the Australian region.


Seriously, the "Made In Australia" badge has turned out to be entirely
about selling any old crap, rather than ensuring the thing is made here
in the first place.
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