What is a women?...

[Liz Tuddenham]

<jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 22:25:10 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 21:11:44 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 20:00:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:23:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:24:30 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso
wrote: > amdx wrote: > > From Google, \"Definitions fro Oxford
Languages\"
How long before Googles deletes these definitions?

Female
Noun
an adult female human being.
Woman > adjective > of or denoting the sex that can bear
offspring or produce eggs, > distinguished biologically by
the production of gametes (ova) > which can be fertilized by
male gametes. > > Mikek Biden explicitely stated that he
would nominate a \"black woman\" but the woman in question
doesn\'t know what he meant because she\'s not a biologist
even though sex isn\'t determined by biology. I don\'t
understand why you have trouble understanding that.


Anyone in doubt of their own gender, can simply check their
driver\'s license.

Mine only shows \'sex\', not \'gender\'.

Either you have a Y chromosone, or not.

I don\'t know whether I have or not, I\'ve never had a chromosome test.
It would also depend on which organs they tested; some organs and body
parts can have different chromosomes from others (chimera).

In any case, gender isn\'t determined by chromosomes.

Anyone with a Y should not compete in girls\' sports. Y makes serious
physical differences.

That\'s sex, not gender.

It\'s physiology. Bones, muscles, speed. Things that matter in sports.

I think all the girls should just stay there and not move when the gun
goes off. Let s/he take the victory lap.

I thought we were discussing gender, not sex.


I was discussing chromosones.

You brouight \'sex\' into a discussion about \'gender\'. Gender is not
shown on any UK driving licence and the \'sex\' which is shown, is not
based on chromosomes because chromosomes aren\'t tested. A driving
licence is not a reliable indicator of sex or gender.


--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the \".invalid\"s and add \".co.uk\" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

 

[Tom Gardner]

On 26/03/22 14:56, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:23:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:24:30 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
amdx wrote:
From Google, \"Definitions fro Oxford Languages\"

How long before Googles deletes these definitions?

Female
Noun
an adult female human being.

Woman
adjective
of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs,
distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova)
which can be fertilized by male gametes.

Mikek
Biden explicitely stated that he would nominate a \"black woman\" but the
woman in question doesn\'t know what he meant because she\'s not a
biologist even though sex isn\'t determined by biology. I don\'t
understand why you have trouble understanding that.


Anyone in doubt of their own gender, can simply check their driver\'s license.

Mine only shows \'sex\', not \'gender\'.

Either you have a Y chromosone, or not.

If only it was that simple.

What should be classification for people with these
syndromes, and why?
XXXXX
XXXX
XXX
XXXXY
XXXY
XXYY
XXYY
XYY
XYYY

I had no idea those existed!
For excellent patient info, see https://rarechromo.org/disorder-guides/

 

[Phil Allison]

Lizard Tuddenham wrote:
=====================

I thought we were discussing gender, not sex.


I was discussing chromosones.

You brouight \'sex\' into a discussion about \'gender\'.

** In a discussion about human beings, they are synomyms.

Gender is not
shown on any UK driving licence and the \'sex\' which is shown,

** Synonyms.

> A driving licence is not a reliable indicator of sex or gender.

** Course it is.

YOU are one steaming great, fucking PITA fake SJW idiot.



....... Phil

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 8:26:21 PM UTC+11, palli...@gmail.com wrote:

Lizard Tuddenham wrote:
====================
I thought we were discussing gender, not sex.


I was discussing chromosomes.

You brought \'sex\' into a discussion about \'gender\'.

** In a discussion about human beings, they are synonyms.

They aren\'t.

Gender is not shown on any UK driving licence and the \'sex\' which is shown,

** Synonyms.

Pig-ignorant error. Possibly ideologically driven, but an error.

A driving licence is not a reliable indicator of sex or gender.

** Course it is.

It\'s not based on genome sequencing, so an XY person with testosterone insensitivity - who will look female - will be identified as female on their driving license. It is rare, but it does happen,and that makes the indication unreliable in that particular case. There are others.

> YOU are one steaming great, fucking PITA fake SJW idiot.

Actually, the steaming great pain in the behind idiot here is you, though John Doe subscribes to the same mistaken ideas.

There\'s no social justice involved though you and John Doe might not be so quite so insistent on your mistaken ideas if you weren\'t intent on being unkind to people you don\'t approve of.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Martin Brown]

On 26/03/2022 02:40, amdx wrote:

On 3/25/2022 5:07 PM, Rickster wrote:
On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 9:07:19 AM UTC-4, amdx wrote:
 From Google, \"Definitions fro Oxford Languages\"

  How long before Googles deletes these definitions?

  Female
  Noun
an adult female human being.

  Woman
adjective
of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs,
distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova)
which can be fertilized by male gametes.

I suppose you think this definition is clear?  You do understand it
requires you to define \"male\" first, right?  If you define \"male\" or
\"man\" similarly, you end up saying it produces \"gametes\" which
fertilize the female gametes.

Seems rather circuitous.

Not quite. Female is more usefully defined first and is the default
development mode in parthenogenesis (which predates sexual reproduction)
to create identical clones of the parent organism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis

There was a very rare stick insect made the news in the UK which was
half male and half female down the line of symmetry recently.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-60375172

Rare enough it is headed for a museum ... gynandromorph.

It seems you are confused and don\'t know the difference between a man
and a woman?
                          Mikek

A better definition from the point of view of a biologist is the sex
that provides the mitochondrial inheritance for any offspring.

Incidentally female is the default development for any organism not
under the influence of a Y chromosome (in the XY system) and there are
plenty of insects that can do female virgin births to obtain fastest
possible exponential growth when there is plenty of food about.

Garden aphids being one such common example.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[John Doe]

Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Rickster wrote:
Tom Del Rosso wrote:
amdx wrote:

From Google, \"Definitions fro Oxford Languages\"

How long before Googles deletes these definitions?

Female
Noun
an adult female human being.

Woman, adjective
of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs,
distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova)
which can be fertilized by male gametes.

Biden explicitely stated that he would nominate a \"black woman\" but
the woman in question doesn\'t know what he meant because she\'s not a
biologist even though sex isn\'t determined by biology. I don\'t
understand why you have trouble understanding that.

That\'s sarcasm, amdx.

Anyone in doubt of their own gender, can simply check their driver\'s
license.

Mine only shows \'sex\', not \'gender\'.

Either you have a Y chromosone, or not.

If only it was that simple.

What should be classification for people with these
syndromes, and why?
XXXXX
XXXX
XXX
XXXXY
XXXY
XXYY
XXYY
XYY
XYYY

I had no idea those existed!
For excellent patient info, see https://rarechromo.org/disorder-guides/

That doesn\'t change the definition of \"male\" and \"female\".

human, noun

: a bipedal primate mammal

Someone born without 2 feet is still a human.

Rare cases do not change a definition.

 

[John Doe]

Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

amdx wrote:
Rickster wrote:
amdx wrote:

From Google, \"Definitions fro Oxford Languages\"

How long before Googles deletes these definitions?

Female
Noun
an adult female human being.

Woman, adjective
of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs,
distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which
can be fertilized by male gametes.

I suppose you think this definition is clear?  You do understand it
requires you to define \"male\" first, right?  If you define \"male\" or
\"man\" similarly, you end up saying it produces \"gametes\" which
fertilize the female gametes.

Seems rather circuitous.

Not quite. Female is more usefully defined first and is the default
development mode in parthenogenesis (which predates sexual reproduction)
to create identical clones of the parent organism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis

There was a very rare stick insect made the news in the UK which was
half male and half female down the line of symmetry recently.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-60375172

Rare enough it is headed for a museum ... gynandromorph.

It seems you are confused and don\'t know the difference between a man
and a woman?

A better definition from the point of view of a biologist is the sex
that provides the mitochondrial inheritance for any offspring.

I\'m not a vet, but I know what a dog is.

What is the primary purpose for a woman\'s breasts?

 

[Phil Allison]

IEEE Bill the Bullshiter....@ieee.org wrote:
===================================

** In a discussion about human beings, they are synonyms.

They aren\'t.

** Go tell the Oxford dictionary - you demented fuckhead.

Gender is not shown on any UK driving licence and the \'sex\' which is shown,

** Synonyms.

Pig-ignorant error.

** Go tell the Oxford dictionary - you demented fuckhead.

A driving licence is not a reliable indicator of sex or gender.

** Course it is.

It\'s not based on genome sequencing,

** ROTFLMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pure 100% FUCKING insanity !!!!!

YOU are one steaming great, fucking PITA fake SJW idiot.

Actually, the steaming great pain in the behind idiot here is

** IEEE Bill Sloman = a life long, insane lying CUNTHEAD





...... Phil

 

[amdx]

On 3/27/2022 5:24 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

There\'s no social justice involved though you and John Doe might not be so quite so insistent on your mistaken ideas if you weren\'t intent on being unkind to people you don\'t approve of.

  If you want social justice you don\'t let a few a previous men compete
against the many women that have worked their whole lives to compete.
Why is it you don\'t hear about transsexuals that were a woman and
transformed to a \"man\" now competing and taking medals from the men they
are competing against?
Because they grew up as women they don\'t have the same body
characteristics and strengths as a man born as a man. Testosterone is
not enough to give a woman the bone
strength, muscle strength, etc to make her the equal of a man in
competition. Just as if you grew up as a man and you take away
testosterone, you still have most of those
same characteristics that you were born with that allow you to run away
(steal) the medals from the woman.
 It is a matter of being fair to the life long women.

  In my case it has nothing to do with not approving of transsexuals or
being unkind, clearly they are uncomfortable in the body they have and
I\'m sure that is difficult,
but that is not a reason to let them steal medals from young strong hard
working women.
   An interesting and confounding case is Jazz, she was put on
testosterone blockers at a very early age. Physically you don\'t see any
male characteristics, she never developed
the physical changes a male has at puberty. Because of the early
testosterone blockers the vulvoplasty surgery had complications because
of lack of  \"material\" to work with.
I doubt very much that she would have any of the male characteristics to
compete and win against women.

Mikek


--
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

 

[amdx]

On 3/27/2022 6:50 AM, Phil Allison wrote:

IEEE Bill the Bullshiter....@ieee.org wrote:
===================================

** In a discussion about human beings, they are synonyms.
They aren\'t.
** Go tell the Oxford dictionary - you demented fuckhead.


Gender is not shown on any UK driving licence and the \'sex\' which is shown,
** Synonyms.
Pig-ignorant error.
** Go tell the Oxford dictionary - you demented fuckhead.

A driving licence is not a reliable indicator of sex or gender.
** Course it is.
It\'s not based on genome sequencing,
** ROTFLMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pure 100% FUCKING insanity !!!!!


YOU are one steaming great, fucking PITA fake SJW idiot.
Actually, the steaming great pain in the behind idiot here is
** IEEE Bill Sloman = a life long, insane lying CUNTHEAD





..... Phil

That\'s the Phil we know and love!  LOL
                                Mikek

--
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

 

[amdx]

On 3/27/2022 4:25 AM, Tom Gardner wrote:

On 26/03/22 14:56, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:23:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:24:30 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
amdx wrote:
 From Google, \"Definitions fro Oxford Languages\"

How long before Googles deletes these definitions?

Female
Noun
an adult female human being.

Woman
adjective
of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs,
distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova)
which can be fertilized by male gametes.

Mikek
Biden explicitely stated that he would nominate a \"black woman\"
but the
woman in question doesn\'t know what he meant because she\'s not a
biologist even though sex isn\'t determined by biology. I don\'t
understand why you have trouble understanding that.


Anyone in doubt of their own gender, can simply check their
driver\'s license.

Mine only shows \'sex\', not \'gender\'.

Either you have a Y chromosone, or not.

If only it was that simple.

What should be classification for people with these
syndromes, and why?
XXXXX
XXXX
XXX
XXXXY
XXXY
XXYY
XXYY
XYY
XYYY

I had no idea those existed!
For excellent patient info, see https://rarechromo.org/disorder-guides/

  Yes, I wish a I had an answer that would create fairness to all.
But, I\'m at a loss.
                    Mikek

--
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

 

[amdx]

On 3/27/2022 6:24 AM, John Doe wrote:

Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

amdx wrote:
Rickster wrote:
amdx wrote:
From Google, \"Definitions fro Oxford Languages\"

How long before Googles deletes these definitions?

Female
Noun
an adult female human being.

Woman, adjective
of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs,
distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which
can be fertilized by male gametes.
I suppose you think this definition is clear?  You do understand it
requires you to define \"male\" first, right?  If you define \"male\" or
\"man\" similarly, you end up saying it produces \"gametes\" which
fertilize the female gametes.

Seems rather circuitous.
Not quite. Female is more usefully defined first and is the default
development mode in parthenogenesis (which predates sexual reproduction)
to create identical clones of the parent organism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis

There was a very rare stick insect made the news in the UK which was
half male and half female down the line of symmetry recently.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-60375172

Rare enough it is headed for a museum ... gynandromorph.

It seems you are confused and don\'t know the difference between a man
and a woman?
A better definition from the point of view of a biologist is the sex
that provides the mitochondrial inheritance for any offspring.
I\'m not a vet, but I know what a dog is.

What is the primary purpose for a woman\'s breasts?
 Before or after a male hits puberty?

--
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 10:19:54 PM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:

Tom Gardner <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
Rickster wrote:
Tom Del Rosso wrote:
amdx wrote:

<snip>

Either you have a Y chromosome, or not.

If only it was that simple.

What should be classification for people with these
syndromes, and why?
XXXXX
XXXX
XXX
XXXXY
XXXY
XXYY
XXYY
XYY
XYYY

I had no idea those existed!
For excellent patient info, see https://rarechromo.org/disorder-guides/

That doesn\'t change the definition of \"male\" and \"female\".

Not the one that John Doe wants to use.

human, noun

: a bipedal primate mammal

Someone born without 2 feet is still a human.

Rare cases do not change a definition.

But John Doe is that rare case that doesn\'t understand the definition, and thinks his defective understanding is the only one one that anybody should rely on.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 10:50:52 PM UTC+11, palli...@gmail.com wrote:

IEEE Bill the Bullshiter....@ieee.org wrote:
==================================
** In a discussion about human beings, they are synonyms.

They aren\'t.
** Go tell the Oxford dictionary - you demented fuckhead.

Which one the Compete, the Concise, the Shorter? There are others.

Gender is not shown on any UK driving licence and the \'sex\' which is shown,

** Synonyms.

Pig-ignorant error.

** Go tell the Oxford dictionary - you demented fuckhead.

A driving licence is not a reliable indicator of sex or gender.

** Course it is.

It\'s not based on genome sequencing, so an XY person with testosterone insensitivity - who will look female - will be identified as female on their driving license. It is rare, but it does happen,and that makes the indication unreliable in that particular case. There are others.

** ROTFLMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You started rolling around on the floor before you finished reading the sentence, and snipped the part you hadn\'t read.

It may save time but it does make you look stupid.

<snipped the rest of Phil being remarkably stupid., even for him>

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 11:46:06 PM UTC+11, amdx wrote:

On 3/27/2022 5:24 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

There\'s no social justice involved though you and John Doe might not be so quite so insistent on your mistaken ideas if you weren\'t intent on being unkind to people you don\'t approve of.

If you want social justice you don\'t let a few a previous men compete
against the many women that have worked their whole lives to compete.

Very few women work their whole livest to compete in sporting events. Society does include athletes, but they are a rather restricted group, and social justice isn\'t well served by paying attention to just that group.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 11:53:05 PM UTC+11, amdx wrote:

On 3/27/2022 6:24 AM, John Doe wrote:
Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
amdx wrote:
Rickster wrote:
amdx wrote:

What is the primary purpose for a woman\'s breasts?

They are an evolved feature. Every female of every mammalian species has them, and the general opinion is that they are useful for feeding infants. Asking what their \"primary purpose\" is asserts that the evolutionary process has a purpose, which is the sort of error that intelligent design enthusiasts go in for.

So it was the kind of silly question you\'d expect from John Doe.

> Before or after a male hits puberty?

And this is an even sillier response.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[server]

On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 10:25:25 +0100, Tom Gardner
<spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 26/03/22 14:56, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 08:23:51 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

Rickster <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 5:24:30 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
amdx wrote:
From Google, \"Definitions fro Oxford Languages\"

How long before Googles deletes these definitions?

Female
Noun
an adult female human being.

Woman
adjective
of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs,
distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova)
which can be fertilized by male gametes.

Mikek
Biden explicitely stated that he would nominate a \"black woman\" but the
woman in question doesn\'t know what he meant because she\'s not a
biologist even though sex isn\'t determined by biology. I don\'t
understand why you have trouble understanding that.


Anyone in doubt of their own gender, can simply check their driver\'s license.

Mine only shows \'sex\', not \'gender\'.

Either you have a Y chromosone, or not.

If only it was that simple.

But my statement is.

What should be classification for people with these
syndromes, and why?
XXXXX
XXXX
XXX
XXXXY
XXXY
XXYY
XXYY
XYY
XYYY

I had no idea those existed!

The term \"intersex\" is used if the obvious physical signs are
ambiguous. There are also cases where an XY appears to be fully
female.

But girls sports will be destroyed if mature, big, muscular, mediocre
XY atheletes can call themselves female and blow away all the records.

One thing that impresses me is how critters with various genetic
defects still survive. There is something extraordinarily adaptive
about DNA-based life.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[server]

On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 02:26:17 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

Lizard Tuddenham wrote:
=====================

I thought we were discussing gender, not sex.


I was discussing chromosones.

You brouight \'sex\' into a discussion about \'gender\'.

** In a discussion about human beings, they are synomyms.

Gender is not
shown on any UK driving licence and the \'sex\' which is shown,

** Synonyms.

Some people think that words change physical reality.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[server]

On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 07:45:58 -0500, amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote:

On 3/27/2022 5:24 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

There\'s no social justice involved though you and John Doe might not be so quite so insistent on your mistaken ideas if you weren\'t intent on being unkind to people you don\'t approve of.

  If you want social justice you don\'t let a few a previous men compete
against the many women that have worked their whole lives to compete.

We have Special Olympics. We should have Trans Olympics.



--

I yam what I yam - Popeye

 

[amdx]

On 3/27/2022 9:22 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Sunday, March 27, 2022 at 11:46:06 PM UTC+11, amdx wrote:
On 3/27/2022 5:24 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
There\'s no social justice involved though you and John Doe might not be so quite so insistent on your mistaken ideas if you weren\'t intent on being unkind to people you don\'t approve of.

If you want social justice you don\'t let a few a previous men compete
against the many women that have worked their whole lives to compete.
Very few women work their whole livest to compete in sporting events.

Yes Billy, I knew when I wrote that,  it wasn\'t their /whole/ life, as
does everyone else. I\'m glad that was the best argument you had.
 I should have said substantial part of their lives, but at the time I
couldn\'t come up with the proper wording even though I knew it needed
something more exacting. I\'m happy you had something to nitpick.

                                        Mikek

--
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus