Very few solar panels on new houses

[Rod Speed]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:35:47 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"devnull" <devnull@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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On 6/11/19 9:40 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
And if you don't have the money stored in a tax-free IRA, you'll pay
income tax on your losses.

Dunno what an IRA is, but all ISAs are tax free AFAIK.

Hang on, losses? Surely you pay income tax on your income, not losses.


Yah, it's called "Republican taxpayer privilege". The bank pays you 2%
interest but inflation goes up 3%.

Essentially you have less buying power at the end of the year and yet
you
still have to pay taxes on the 2% "gain".

The democrats have lots of slick scams to take money from working
taxpayers and give it to their lazy welfare constituents.

And yet only half pay any income tax. Or are you saying that the Dems are
so
clever that they have worked out how to make just Repugs pay income tax ?

Who cares about income tax?

In all but the USA, it's the main tax most pay in the first
world. Only the unemployable dregs like you pay most
of the tax they pay in the VAT and fuel and sin taxes.

> It's one of only 50 taxes.

What matters is how much you pay in each one.

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 03:13:27 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH all the idiotic off topic bullshit unread again>

What has any of this sick shit got to do with ANY of the ngs you keep
crossposting it to, you brain dead senile assholes?

--
Bod addressing senile Rot:
"Rod, you have a sick twisted mind. I suggest you stop your mindless
and totally irresponsible talk. Your mouth could get you into a lot of
trouble."
Message-ID: <gfbb94Fb4a4U1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 11:43:14 -0400, devnull, another mentally deficient,
troll-feeding, senile arsehole, blathered:


> Yah, it's called "Republican taxpayer privilege".

Your ONLY "privilege" here is to suck troll cock, senile sucker of troll
cock. And you clearly make every use of it! <BG>

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 03:22:53 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

That is known in these parts as a *term deposit*.

Nope

Come on, senile Rodent! He's another senile Australian, like you! Show some
solidarity? Or did the Australians chase you away from their ngs too because
of your pathological auto-contradicting? LMAO!

--
Kerr-Mudd,John addressing senile Rot:
"Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)"
MID: <XnsA97071CF43E3Fadmin127001@85.214.115.223>

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 03:45:37 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH another 123 !!! lines of the two subnormal trolls' latest sick shit>

....and nothing's left!

--
Another retarded "conversation" between Birdbrain and senile Rodent:

Senile Rodent: " Did you ever dig a hole to bury your own shit?"

Birdbrain: "I do if there's no flush toilet around."

Senile Rodent: "Yeah, I prefer camping like that, off by myself with
no dunnys around and have always buried the shit."

MID: <fv66kaFml0nU2@mid.individual.net>

 

[Rod Speed]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:27:31 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 07:50:29 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 11/6/19 4:27 pm, Steve Walker wrote:
On 11/06/2019 03:16, Xeno wrote:
On 11/6/19 9:47 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 00:04:10 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 11/6/19 8:08 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:24:43 +0100, Xeno
xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 10/6/19 6:12 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 18:11:57 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 16:42:45 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in
message
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But for no reason, some of them were sliced diagonally
across,
making
two
triangular slabs. I could understand that if there was a
start of a
slope, so the slabs needed to "bend", but there wasn't.

Also noticed what I think is some silly legislation - every
front
door
was
accessible without going up steps. Are 100% of house buyers
now
disabled
or something?

Just stupid pollys if it is legislation that says that.

It's happening all over the UK, we're spending billions
catering for
1% of
the population.

Yep, your pollys are the stupid. Cant even manage to
do a brexit in 3 fucking years. God knows how you lot
ever managed an empire, most likely by not letting
your dregs or women vote.

Amazing we can't leave something instantly. It should have
taken
no
more than a month.

Apparently you understand very little of the complexity involved.

It's complex to start doing something, it's damn easy to stop it.

Just as complex in this case. You need to reinitiate all systems
that
were in place prior or, more likely, develop new systems since the
old
would likely be obsolete.

Copy what's in place or delete it. Takes a matter of a week or two.

Why would you *copy* a system you're tossing away?
You can't just *delete* what's in place. You need to transition.
What's more, you need something to transition to.
What existed before the EU is no longer relevant nor is it desirable.
A *new system* needs to be developed, tested and then the *existing*
transitioned to the new.

You copy most of what is there, with one additional piece of
legislation
specifying that all refderences to EU rules, regulations,
establishments
and structures are now to be read as referring to a list of named UK
institutions, but then you have the power to change it later. No need
to
change everything instantly, it can be phased over years.

Which is what I said - in a nutshell - phased in over years. The other
aspect you have not given any thought to is the logistics of it all. It
is a lot more involved than most people think, the legislation being
just the start of it.

But the "phased in over years" can happen after we leave the EU. Just
make all EU laws into UK laws instantly, and remove or adjust them as we
wish over the coming years.

That works with legislation but there is a lot more than just legislation
involved.

Give me examples of what couldn't be done as above.

Aircraft landing rights.
Fishing rights

 

[Rod Speed]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:26:08 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 14:26:27 +0100, devnull <devnull@127.0.0.1> wrote:

On 6/11/19 8:49 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 13:14:33 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 11/6/19 9:54 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:32:27 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 11/06/2019 8:09 AM:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:53:25 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 10/06/2019 12:50 AM:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F
bobnospam@gmail.com
wrote:

Snip

You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make
real
money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer. But in most places,
solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a
couple
of AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels
that
I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight
levels, my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day)
was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel
costs in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that
time,
but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power myself
for
that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I will(/have)
be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced
(to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even. Ever
heard
of an ISA?

No!

Might be a British acronym. It's a long term savings account.

Is that something like what U.S.A'ians cal a 401K ... what we in
Australia call Superannuation??

No idea, I don't have one. You put money in and don't touch it for
5
years and earn a higher interest rate.

Compounding interest is key.

Not what I meant, the % is much higher in the accounts where the bank
knows you can't withdraw it for 5 or 10 years.

US bank accounts are a lousy place to invest because they are paying
less
than the inflation rate.

Normal ones, yes. But you can get about 3% on a 5 year ISA here in the
UK.

And if you don't have the money stored in a tax-free IRA, you'll pay
income tax on your losses.

Dunno what an IRA is, but all ISAs are tax free AFAIK.

Hang on, losses? Surely you pay income tax on your income, not losses.

He means they pay income tax on the pathetic interest
which is worse than the inflation rate and so you effectively
pay income tax on those notional, not real, losses.

What a funny way of thinking about it.

No its not.

If you put the cash under a mattress, you'd lose all of the inflation, not
just the tax bit.

Under the mattress isnt the only alternative.
Your ISAs are indeed a much better alternative
because they pay an interest rate closer to
inflation and they are tax free too so you
don't lose that way either.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:48:21 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:26:08 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 14:26:27 +0100, devnull <devnull@127.0.0.1> wrote:

On 6/11/19 8:49 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 13:14:33 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 11/6/19 9:54 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:32:27 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 11/06/2019 8:09 AM:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:53:25 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 10/06/2019 12:50 AM:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F
bobnospam@gmail.com
wrote:

Snip

You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make
real
money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer. But in most places,
solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a
couple
of AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels
that
I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight
levels, my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day)
was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel
costs in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that
time,
but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power myself
for
that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I will(/have)
be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced
(to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even. Ever
heard
of an ISA?

No!

Might be a British acronym. It's a long term savings account..

Is that something like what U.S.A'ians cal a 401K ... what we in
Australia call Superannuation??

No idea, I don't have one. You put money in and don't touch it for
5
years and earn a higher interest rate.

Compounding interest is key.

Not what I meant, the % is much higher in the accounts where the bank
knows you can't withdraw it for 5 or 10 years.

US bank accounts are a lousy place to invest because they are paying
less
than the inflation rate.

Normal ones, yes. But you can get about 3% on a 5 year ISA here in the
UK.

And if you don't have the money stored in a tax-free IRA, you'll pay
income tax on your losses.

Dunno what an IRA is, but all ISAs are tax free AFAIK.

Hang on, losses? Surely you pay income tax on your income, not losses.

He means they pay income tax on the pathetic interest
which is worse than the inflation rate and so you effectively
pay income tax on those notional, not real, losses.

What a funny way of thinking about it.

No its not.

It is, because you are not paying tax on what you lose. You pay tax on what you're getting back. If you have Ł10000, somebody steals Ł1000 of it, then you go out and earn Ł1000 to replace it, and pay tax on it, you aren't paying tax on your losses.

If you put the cash under a mattress, you'd lose all of the inflation, not
just the tax bit.

Under the mattress isnt the only alternative.

It was an extreme example to demonstrate my point.

Your ISAs are indeed a much better alternative
because they pay an interest rate closer to
inflation and they are tax free too so you
don't lose that way either.

Depends where you go, I just checked and TSB is 1.6%, inflation is 2.1%. I'm sure TSB was 3% a few months ago.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:45:37 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:27:31 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 07:50:29 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 11/6/19 4:27 pm, Steve Walker wrote:
On 11/06/2019 03:16, Xeno wrote:
On 11/6/19 9:47 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 00:04:10 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 11/6/19 8:08 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:24:43 +0100, Xeno
xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 10/6/19 6:12 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 18:11:57 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z24ke1iqwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 16:42:45 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in
message
newsp.z24gs5lmwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
But for no reason, some of them were sliced diagonally
across,
making
two
triangular slabs. I could understand that if there was a
start of a
slope, so the slabs needed to "bend", but there wasn't.

Also noticed what I think is some silly legislation - every
front
door
was
accessible without going up steps. Are 100% of house buyers
now
disabled
or something?

Just stupid pollys if it is legislation that says that.

It's happening all over the UK, we're spending billions
catering for
1% of
the population.

Yep, your pollys are the stupid. Cant even manage to
do a brexit in 3 fucking years. God knows how you lot
ever managed an empire, most likely by not letting
your dregs or women vote.

Amazing we can't leave something instantly. It should have
taken
no
more than a month.

Apparently you understand very little of the complexity involved.

It's complex to start doing something, it's damn easy to stop it.

Just as complex in this case. You need to reinitiate all systems
that
were in place prior or, more likely, develop new systems since the
old
would likely be obsolete.

Copy what's in place or delete it. Takes a matter of a week or two.

Why would you *copy* a system you're tossing away?
You can't just *delete* what's in place. You need to transition.
What's more, you need something to transition to.
What existed before the EU is no longer relevant nor is it desirable.
A *new system* needs to be developed, tested and then the *existing*
transitioned to the new.

You copy most of what is there, with one additional piece of
legislation
specifying that all refderences to EU rules, regulations,
establishments
and structures are now to be read as referring to a list of named UK
institutions, but then you have the power to change it later. No need
to
change everything instantly, it can be phased over years.

Which is what I said - in a nutshell - phased in over years. The other
aspect you have not given any thought to is the logistics of it all. It
is a lot more involved than most people think, the legislation being
just the start of it.

But the "phased in over years" can happen after we leave the EU. Just
make all EU laws into UK laws instantly, and remove or adjust them as we
wish over the coming years.

That works with legislation but there is a lot more than just legislation
involved.

Give me examples of what couldn't be done as above.

Aircraft landing rights.
Fishing rights

Why not? Just make them precisely as the EU has them at the moment, then we're free to change them later.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:35:47 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"devnull" <devnull@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:n_PLE.43682$T52.29836@fx35.iad...
On 6/11/19 9:40 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
And if you don't have the money stored in a tax-free IRA, you'll pay
income tax on your losses.

Dunno what an IRA is, but all ISAs are tax free AFAIK.

Hang on, losses? Surely you pay income tax on your income, not losses.


Yah, it's called "Republican taxpayer privilege". The bank pays you 2%
interest but inflation goes up 3%.

Essentially you have less buying power at the end of the year and yet you
still have to pay taxes on the 2% "gain".

The democrats have lots of slick scams to take money from working
taxpayers and give it to their lazy welfare constituents.

And yet only half pay any income tax. Or are you saying that the Dems are so
clever that they have worked out how to make just Repugs pay income tax ?

Who cares about income tax? It's one of only 50 taxes.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:13:27 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Daniel60" <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote in message
news:qdo3gd$ia1$1@dont-email.me...
Commander Kinsey wrote on 11/06/2019 8:09 AM:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:53:25 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 10/06/2019 12:50 AM:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com
wrote:

Snip

You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make real money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer. But in most places, solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a couple of
AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels that I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight levels, my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day) was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel costs
in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that time, but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power myself for
that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I will(/have) be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced (to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even. Ever heard
of an ISA?

No!

Might be a British acronym. It's a long term savings account.

Is that something like what U.S.A'ians cal a 401K ...

Yep.

what we in Australia call Superannuation??

Nope, that's compulsory. The poms call that NI, National Insurance.

You don't have to pay that.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 15:21:08 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 11/6/19 11:42 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 07:50:29 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

On 11/6/19 4:27 pm, Steve Walker wrote:
On 11/06/2019 03:16, Xeno wrote:
On 11/6/19 9:47 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 00:04:10 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 11/6/19 8:08 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:24:43 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 10/6/19 6:12 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 18:11:57 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z24ke1iqwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 16:42:45 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
newsp.z24gs5lmwdg98l@desktop-ga2mpl8.lan...
But for no reason, some of them were sliced diagonally across,
making
two
triangular slabs. I could understand that if there was a
start of a
slope, so the slabs needed to "bend", but there wasn't.

Also noticed what I think is some silly legislation - every
front
door
was
accessible without going up steps. Are 100% of house
buyers now
disabled
or something?

Just stupid pollys if it is legislation that says that.

It's happening all over the UK, we're spending billions
catering for
1% of
the population.

Yep, your pollys are the stupid. Cant even manage to
do a brexit in 3 fucking years. God knows how you lot
ever managed an empire, most likely by not letting
your dregs or women vote.

Amazing we can't leave something instantly. It should have
taken no
more than a month.

Apparently you understand very little of the complexity involved.

It's complex to start doing something, it's damn easy to stop it.

Just as complex in this case. You need to reinitiate all systems that
were in place prior or, more likely, develop new systems since the
old
would likely be obsolete.

Copy what's in place or delete it. Takes a matter of a week or two.

Why would you *copy* a system you're tossing away?
You can't just *delete* what's in place. You need to transition.
What's more, you need something to transition to.
What existed before the EU is no longer relevant nor is it desirable.
A *new system* needs to be developed, tested and then the *existing*
transitioned to the new.

You copy most of what is there, with one additional piece of legislation
specifying that all refderences to EU rules, regulations, establishments
and structures are now to be read as referring to a list of named UK
institutions, but then you have the power to change it later. No need to
change everything instantly, it can be phased over years.

SteveW

Which is what I said - in a nutshell - phased in over years. The other
aspect you have not given any thought to is the logistics of it all. It
is a lot more involved than most people think, the legislation being
just the start of it.

But the "phased in over years" can happen after we leave the EU. Just
make all EU laws into UK laws instantly, and remove or adjust them as we
wish over the coming years.

It isn't just the laws! Don't you get that?

Whatever they are, just keep them the same, but they're now under our option to change.

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 03:27:31 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH senile asshole's latest trollshit>

03:27 am in Australia? Whatsa matter, sick idiot? Did you sleep in today?
LMAO!

--
Bill Wright to Rot Speed:
"That confirms my opinion that you are a despicable little shit."
MID: <pjqpo3$1la0$1@gioia.aioe.org>

 

[Rod Speed]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:13:27 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Daniel60" <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote in message
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Commander Kinsey wrote on 11/06/2019 8:09 AM:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:53:25 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 10/06/2019 12:50 AM:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com
wrote:

Snip

You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make real
money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer. But in most places,
solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a couple of
AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels that I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight levels,
my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day) was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel
costs
in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that time,
but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power myself for
that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I will(/have) be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced (to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even. Ever
heard
of an ISA?

No!

Might be a British acronym. It's a long term savings account.

Is that something like what U.S.A'ians cal a 401K ...

Yep.

what we in Australia call Superannuation??

Nope, that's compulsory. The poms call that NI, National Insurance.

You don't have to pay that.

Yes you do if you are working and are paid more than a pittance.

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 04:44:02 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the two clinically insane trolls' trollshit>

--
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Senile Rodent: " Did you ever dig a hole to bury your own shit?"

Birdbrain: "I do if there's no flush toilet around."

Senile Rodent: "Yeah, I prefer camping like that, off by myself with
no dunnys around and have always buried the shit."

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[Rod Speed]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:44:02 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:13:27 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Daniel60" <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote in message
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Commander Kinsey wrote on 11/06/2019 8:09 AM:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:53:25 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 10/06/2019 12:50 AM:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com
wrote:

Snip

You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make real
money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer. But in most places,
solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a couple
of
AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels that I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight levels,
my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day)
was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel
costs
in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that time,
but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power myself for
that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I will(/have) be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced (to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even. Ever
heard
of an ISA?

No!

Might be a British acronym. It's a long term savings account.

Is that something like what U.S.A'ians cal a 401K ...

Yep.

what we in Australia call Superannuation??

Nope, that's compulsory. The poms call that NI, National Insurance.

You don't have to pay that.

Yes you do if you are working and are paid more than a pittance.

And are honest.

Honesty is irrelevant with most wage slaves.

 

[Rod Speed]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:46:11 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 15:21:08 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 11/6/19 11:42 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 07:50:29 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 11/6/19 4:27 pm, Steve Walker wrote:
On 11/06/2019 03:16, Xeno wrote:
On 11/6/19 9:47 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 00:04:10 +0100, Xeno
xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 11/6/19 8:08 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:24:43 +0100, Xeno
xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 10/6/19 6:12 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 18:11:57 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in
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On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 16:42:45 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in
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But for no reason, some of them were sliced diagonally
across,
making
two
triangular slabs. I could understand that if there was a
start of a
slope, so the slabs needed to "bend", but there wasn't.

Also noticed what I think is some silly legislation -
every
front
door
was
accessible without going up steps. Are 100% of house
buyers now
disabled
or something?

Just stupid pollys if it is legislation that says that.

It's happening all over the UK, we're spending billions
catering for
1% of
the population.

Yep, your pollys are the stupid. Cant even manage to
do a brexit in 3 fucking years. God knows how you lot
ever managed an empire, most likely by not letting
your dregs or women vote.

Amazing we can't leave something instantly. It should have
taken no
more than a month.

Apparently you understand very little of the complexity
involved.

It's complex to start doing something, it's damn easy to stop
it.

Just as complex in this case. You need to reinitiate all systems
that
were in place prior or, more likely, develop new systems since
the
old
would likely be obsolete.

Copy what's in place or delete it. Takes a matter of a week or
two.

Why would you *copy* a system you're tossing away?
You can't just *delete* what's in place. You need to transition.
What's more, you need something to transition to.
What existed before the EU is no longer relevant nor is it
desirable.
A *new system* needs to be developed, tested and then the
*existing*
transitioned to the new.

You copy most of what is there, with one additional piece of
legislation
specifying that all refderences to EU rules, regulations,
establishments
and structures are now to be read as referring to a list of named UK
institutions, but then you have the power to change it later. No
need
to
change everything instantly, it can be phased over years.

SteveW

Which is what I said - in a nutshell - phased in over years. The
other
aspect you have not given any thought to is the logistics of it all.
It
is a lot more involved than most people think, the legislation being
just the start of it.

But the "phased in over years" can happen after we leave the EU. Just
make all EU laws into UK laws instantly, and remove or adjust them as
we
wish over the coming years.

It isn't just the laws! Don't you get that?

Whatever they are, just keep them the same,

Not possible with landing rights, fishing rights,
rights to free medical treatment in other EU countrys,
rights to benefits in other EU countrys etc etc etc.

but they're now under our option to change.

Not possible with landing rights, fishing rights,
rights to free medical treatment in other EU countrys,
rights to benefits in other EU countrys etc etc etc.

Anything is possible to keep the same (on our side anyway).

It isnt the UK side that matters with those, it's the other side.

> As for their rulings, well that's up to them.

Nope, who gets to arbitrate in a dispute is spelt out in the
agreement which isnt UK legislation and cant be UK legislation.

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 04:35:25 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH another 174 !!! lines of the two subnormal trolls' latest trollshit
unread>

--
Another typical retarded "conversation" between the two resident idiots:

Birdbrain: "Indeed, in America they usually just shoot you."

Senile Rodent:"They hardly ever do that with cops."

Birdbrain: "Everybody shoots everybody over there,"

Senile Rodent: "Didn't notice Obama shooting anyone."

Birdbrain: "He's not American."

Senile Rodent: "Didn't notice Slick shooting anyone."

MID: <fvnuaeFbhmmU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 04:41:18 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH trollshit>

You STILL hope you might win this game, my punching bag? KEEP hoping! LMAO!

--
Bod addressing senile Rot:
"Rod, you have a sick twisted mind. I suggest you stop your mindless
and totally irresponsible talk. Your mouth could get you into a lot of
trouble."
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[Peeler]

On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 04:38:42 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH another 159 !!! lines of absolutely idiotic bullshit unread>

--
Another typical retarded conversation between our two village idiots,
Birdbrain and Rodent Speed:

Birdbrain: "You beat me to it. Plain sex is boring."

Senile Rodent: "Then fuck the cats. That wont be boring."

Birdbrain: "Sell me a de-clawing tool first."

Senile Rodent: "Wont help with the teeth."

Birdbrain: "They've never gone for me with their mouths."

Rodent Speed: "They will if you are stupid enough to try fucking them."

Birdbrain: "No, they always use claws."

Rodent Speed: "They wont if you try fucking them. Try it and see."

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