Very few solar panels on new houses

[Rod Speed]

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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 07:50:29 +0100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 11/6/19 4:27 pm, Steve Walker wrote:
On 11/06/2019 03:16, Xeno wrote:
On 11/6/19 9:47 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 00:04:10 +0100, Xeno
xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 11/6/19 8:08 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:24:43 +0100, Xeno
xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 10/6/19 6:12 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 18:11:57 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in
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On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 16:42:45 +0100, Rod Speed
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wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in
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But for no reason, some of them were sliced diagonally
across,
making
two
triangular slabs. I could understand that if there was
a
start of a
slope, so the slabs needed to "bend", but there wasn't.

Also noticed what I think is some silly legislation -
every
front
door
was
accessible without going up steps. Are 100% of house
buyers
now
disabled
or something?

Just stupid pollys if it is legislation that says that.

It's happening all over the UK, we're spending billions
catering for
1% of
the population.

Yep, your pollys are the stupid. Cant even manage to
do a brexit in 3 fucking years. God knows how you lot
ever managed an empire, most likely by not letting
your dregs or women vote.

Amazing we can't leave something instantly. It should have
taken
no
more than a month.

Apparently you understand very little of the complexity
involved.

It's complex to start doing something, it's damn easy to stop
it.

Just as complex in this case. You need to reinitiate all
systems
that
were in place prior or, more likely, develop new systems since
the
old
would likely be obsolete.

Copy what's in place or delete it. Takes a matter of a week or
two.

Why would you *copy* a system you're tossing away?
You can't just *delete* what's in place. You need to transition.
What's more, you need something to transition to.
What existed before the EU is no longer relevant nor is it
desirable.
A *new system* needs to be developed, tested and then the
*existing*
transitioned to the new.

You copy most of what is there, with one additional piece of
legislation
specifying that all refderences to EU rules, regulations,
establishments
and structures are now to be read as referring to a list of named
UK
institutions, but then you have the power to change it later. No
need
to
change everything instantly, it can be phased over years.

Which is what I said - in a nutshell - phased in over years. The
other
aspect you have not given any thought to is the logistics of it
all.
It
is a lot more involved than most people think, the legislation
being
just the start of it.

But the "phased in over years" can happen after we leave the EU.
Just
make all EU laws into UK laws instantly, and remove or adjust them
as
we
wish over the coming years.

That works with legislation but there is a lot more than just
legislation
involved.

Give me examples of what couldn't be done as above.

Aircraft landing rights.
Fishing rights

Why not?

Because those arent determined by UK legislation, they are
set by the EU, so the UK can't just copy the EU legislation with
a few name changes on who gets to rule in a dispute etc.

Just make them precisely as the EU has them at the moment,

Not possible, because that doesn't give the UK
permission to fly to anywhere it likes in the EU.

then we're free to change them later.

Nope.

In the above cases, the EU is free to change them later.

They stop being rights as soon as the UK leaves the EU.
There is no changing later with them.

>We simply leave right now, and everything stays as it is.

Nope, they stop as soon as the UK leaves the EU.

> Then we go about changing rules to suit ourselves

The EU doesn't need to do anything, those
rights stop as soon as the UK leaves the EU.

> 1and each other, as though the EU had never existed.

Doesn't work like that with those rights.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 20:42:42 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

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"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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wrote:



"Daniel60" <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote in message
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Commander Kinsey wrote on 11/06/2019 8:09 AM:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:53:25 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 10/06/2019 12:50 AM:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com
wrote:

Snip

You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make real
money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer. But in most places,
solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a couple
of
AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels that I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight levels,
my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day)
was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel
costs
in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that time,
but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power myself for
that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I will(/have) be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced (to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even. Ever
heard
of an ISA?

No!

Might be a British acronym. It's a long term savings account.

Is that something like what U.S.A'ians cal a 401K ...

Yep.

what we in Australia call Superannuation??

Nope, that's compulsory. The poms call that NI, National Insurance.

You don't have to pay that.

Yes you do if you are working and are paid more than a pittance.

And are honest.

Honesty is irrelevant with most wage slaves.

Cash in hand.

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 06:53:14 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH another 109 !!! lines of the two clinically insane trolling asshole's
latest trollshit>

--
Another typical retarded "conversation" between the two resident idiots:

Birdbrain: "Indeed, in America they usually just shoot you."

Senile Rodent:"They hardly ever do that with cops."

Birdbrain: "Everybody shoots everybody over there,"

Senile Rodent: "Didn't notice Obama shooting anyone."

Birdbrain: "He's not American."

Senile Rodent: "Didn't notice Slick shooting anyone."

MID: <fvnuaeFbhmmU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 06:52:26 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH another 95 !!! lines of the two abnormal idiots' latest trollshit
unread>

--
Another retarded "conversation" between Birdbrain and senile Rodent:

Senile Rodent: " Did you ever dig a hole to bury your own shit?"

Birdbrain: "I do if there's no flush toilet around."

Senile Rodent: "Yeah, I prefer camping like that, off by myself with
no dunnys around and have always buried the shit."

MID: <fv66kaFml0nU2@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 06:45:49 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

Nope, the moslems and yanks do it too.

I trust that you know everything about all the dicks in the world, senile
cocksucker! <BG>

--
Bill Wright addressing senile Ozzie cretin Rot Speed:
"Well you make up a lot of stuff and it's total bollocks most of it."
MID: <pj2b07$1rvs$2@gioia.aioe.org>

 

[Peeler]

....and much better air in here again!

--
TYPICAL retarded "conversation" between sociopath Rodent and sociopath
Birdbrain from August 26th:

Birdbrain: "I have one head but 5 fingers."

Senile Rodent: "Obvious lie. You hairy legged cross dressers are so inbred
that you all have two heads."

Birdbrain: "You're the one that likes hairy legs remember?"

Senile Rodent: "The problem isnt the hairy legs, it's the gross inbreeding
that
produces two headed unemployables like you."

Birdbrain: "So why did you mention hairy legs?"

Senile Rodent: "Because that's what those who arent actually stupid enough
to shave their legs have."

Birdbrain: "You only have hairy legs if both of the following are true:
1) You're quite far back on the evolutionary scale.
2) You haven't learned what a razor is for."

Senile Rodent: "Only a terminal fuckwit or a woman shaves their legs."

Birdbrain: "There is literally zero point in having hair all over your
body."

Senile Rodent: "There is even less point in wasting your time changing what
you are born with."

MID: <fugfg5Fu49kU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Rod Speed]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:21:57 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:

devnull <devnull@127.0.0.1> wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote

In the above cases, the EU is free to change them later. We simply
leave
right now, and everything stays as it is. Then we go about changing
rules to suit ourselves and each other, as though the EU had never
existed.

Why not just change to Sharia law?

His dick is so small that once they hacked the end off it, there wouldn't
be
anything left.

Thought it was just the Jewish filth that did that?

Nope, the moslems and yanks do it too.

 

[Rod Speed]

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"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 07:50:29 +0100, Xeno
xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 11/6/19 4:27 pm, Steve Walker wrote:
On 11/06/2019 03:16, Xeno wrote:
On 11/6/19 9:47 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 00:04:10 +0100, Xeno
xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 11/6/19 8:08 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:24:43 +0100, Xeno
xenolith@optusnet.com.au
wrote:

On 10/6/19 6:12 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 18:11:57 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in
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On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 16:42:45 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in
message
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But for no reason, some of them were sliced diagonally
across,
making
two
triangular slabs. I could understand that if there
was
a
start of a
slope, so the slabs needed to "bend", but there
wasn't.

Also noticed what I think is some silly legislation -
every
front
door
was
accessible without going up steps. Are 100% of house
buyers
now
disabled
or something?

Just stupid pollys if it is legislation that says that.

It's happening all over the UK, we're spending billions
catering for
1% of
the population.

Yep, your pollys are the stupid. Cant even manage to
do a brexit in 3 fucking years. God knows how you lot
ever managed an empire, most likely by not letting
your dregs or women vote.

Amazing we can't leave something instantly. It should
have
taken
no
more than a month.

Apparently you understand very little of the complexity
involved.

It's complex to start doing something, it's damn easy to
stop
it.

Just as complex in this case. You need to reinitiate all
systems
that
were in place prior or, more likely, develop new systems
since
the
old
would likely be obsolete.

Copy what's in place or delete it. Takes a matter of a week
or
two.

Why would you *copy* a system you're tossing away?
You can't just *delete* what's in place. You need to
transition.
What's more, you need something to transition to.
What existed before the EU is no longer relevant nor is it
desirable.
A *new system* needs to be developed, tested and then the
*existing*
transitioned to the new.

You copy most of what is there, with one additional piece of
legislation
specifying that all refderences to EU rules, regulations,
establishments
and structures are now to be read as referring to a list of
named
UK
institutions, but then you have the power to change it later. No
need
to
change everything instantly, it can be phased over years.

Which is what I said - in a nutshell - phased in over years. The
other
aspect you have not given any thought to is the logistics of it
all.
It
is a lot more involved than most people think, the legislation
being
just the start of it.

But the "phased in over years" can happen after we leave the EU.
Just
make all EU laws into UK laws instantly, and remove or adjust them
as
we
wish over the coming years.

That works with legislation but there is a lot more than just
legislation
involved.

Give me examples of what couldn't be done as above.

Aircraft landing rights.
Fishing rights

Why not?

Because those arent determined by UK legislation, they are
set by the EU, so the UK can't just copy the EU legislation with
a few name changes on who gets to rule in a dispute etc.

Just make them precisely as the EU has them at the moment,

Not possible, because that doesn't give the UK
permission to fly to anywhere it likes in the EU.

then we're free to change them later.

Nope.

In the above cases, the EU is free to change them later.

They stop being rights as soon as the UK leaves the EU.
There is no changing later with them.

That's up to them.

But the UK then doesn't have those landing rights and UKians
don't get to get free medical treatment in the EU, or any benefits
and don't get to work there and don't get to live there either.

> And also up to us to not let them in either.

Trouble is lots wouldn't work without them.

We simply leave right now, and everything stays as it is.

Nope, they stop as soon as the UK leaves the EU.

That's up to each country.

Nope.

 

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"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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wrote:



"devnull" <devnull@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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On 6/11/19 9:40 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
And if you don't have the money stored in a tax-free IRA, you'll
pay
income tax on your losses.

Dunno what an IRA is, but all ISAs are tax free AFAIK.

Hang on, losses? Surely you pay income tax on your income, not
losses.


Yah, it's called "Republican taxpayer privilege". The bank pays you
2%
interest but inflation goes up 3%.

Essentially you have less buying power at the end of the year and
yet
you
still have to pay taxes on the 2% "gain".

The democrats have lots of slick scams to take money from working
taxpayers and give it to their lazy welfare constituents.

And yet only half pay any income tax. Or are you saying that the Dems
are
so
clever that they have worked out how to make just Repugs pay income
tax
?

Who cares about income tax?

In all but the USA, it's the main tax most pay in the first
world. Only the unemployable dregs like you pay most
of the tax they pay in the VAT and fuel and sin taxes.

It's one of only 50 taxes.

What matters is how much you pay in each one.

VAT is 20%! You will eventually spend all you earn,

Plenty of the better paid don't.

Nobody accumulates money forever.

Plenty with a clue accumulate it till they stop working
and plenty accumulate it and hand it on to their kids too.

> If they don't spend it their descendants will.

Plenty of their descendents arent stupid enough to spend it.

so that's 20% which is significantly similar to the income tax rate.

Not with the better paid. Only the dregs of the labour market.

If you're poor, you pay a low rate,

Yes, the dregs mostly do pay just VAT and petrol and sin taxes.

> if you're rich, you bend the rules and pay a low rate.

Not even possible for most of the better paid wage slaves.
Those pay a lot more than 20% income tax.

 

[Rod Speed]

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wrote:



"Daniel60" <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote in message
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Commander Kinsey wrote on 11/06/2019 8:09 AM:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:53:25 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 10/06/2019 12:50 AM:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com
wrote:

Snip

You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make real
money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer. But in most places,
solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a
couple
of
AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels that
I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight
levels,
my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day)
was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel
costs
in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that time,
but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power myself
for
that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I will(/have)
be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced
(to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even. Ever
heard
of an ISA?

No!

Might be a British acronym. It's a long term savings account.

Is that something like what U.S.A'ians cal a 401K ...

Yep.

what we in Australia call Superannuation??

Nope, that's compulsory. The poms call that NI, National Insurance.

You don't have to pay that.

Yes you do if you are working and are paid more than a pittance.

And are honest.

Honesty is irrelevant with most wage slaves.

Cash in hand.

Very few of the better paid get paid that way anymore.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:53:14 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:13:27 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Daniel60" <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote in message
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Commander Kinsey wrote on 11/06/2019 8:09 AM:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:53:25 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 10/06/2019 12:50 AM:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com
wrote:

Snip

You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make real
money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer. But in most places,
solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a
couple
of
AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels that
I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight
levels,
my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the day)
was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the panel
costs
in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that time,
but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power myself
for
that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I will(/have)
be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced
(to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even. Ever
heard
of an ISA?

No!

Might be a British acronym. It's a long term savings account.

Is that something like what U.S.A'ians cal a 401K ...

Yep.

what we in Australia call Superannuation??

Nope, that's compulsory. The poms call that NI, National Insurance.

You don't have to pay that.

Yes you do if you are working and are paid more than a pittance.

And are honest.

Honesty is irrelevant with most wage slaves.

Cash in hand.

Very few of the better paid get paid that way anymore.

There are ways round things for everyone.

 

[Rod Speed]

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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:13:27 +0100, Rod Speed
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wrote:



"Daniel60" <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote in message
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Commander Kinsey wrote on 11/06/2019 8:09 AM:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:53:25 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 10/06/2019 12:50 AM:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F
bobnospam@gmail.com
wrote:

Snip

You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make
real
money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer. But in most
places,
solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a
couple
of
AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels
that
I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight
levels,
my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the
day)
was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the
panel
costs
in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that
time,
but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power myself
for
that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I
will(/have)
be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced
(to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even.
Ever
heard
of an ISA?

No!

Might be a British acronym. It's a long term savings account.

Is that something like what U.S.A'ians cal a 401K ...

Yep.

what we in Australia call Superannuation??

Nope, that's compulsory. The poms call that NI, National Insurance.

You don't have to pay that.

Yes you do if you are working and are paid more than a pittance.

And are honest.

Honesty is irrelevant with most wage slaves.

Cash in hand.

Very few of the better paid get paid that way anymore.

There are ways round things for everyone.

Nope. Those with most jobs get paid by their employer and
their employer tells the tax dept how much they got paid.

 

[Peeler]

On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 07:55:10 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH another 131 !!! lines of the two retarded trolls' sick bullshit>

--
TYPICAL retarded "conversation" between sociopath Rodent and sociopath
Birdbrain from August 26th:

Birdbrain: "I have one head but 5 fingers."

Senile Rodent: "Obvious lie. You hairy legged cross dressers are so inbred
that you all have two heads."

Birdbrain: "You're the one that likes hairy legs remember?"

Senile Rodent: "The problem isnt the hairy legs, it's the gross inbreeding
that
produces two headed unemployables like you."

Birdbrain: "So why did you mention hairy legs?"

Senile Rodent: "Because that's what those who arent actually stupid enough
to shave their legs have."

Birdbrain: "You only have hairy legs if both of the following are true:
1) You're quite far back on the evolutionary scale.
2) You haven't learned what a razor is for."

Senile Rodent: "Only a terminal fuckwit or a woman shaves their legs."

Birdbrain: "There is literally zero point in having hair all over your
body."

Senile Rodent: "There is even less point in wasting your time changing what
you are born with."

MID: <fugfg5Fu49kU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 22:55:10 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

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wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:44:02 +0100, Rod Speed
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wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:13:27 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Daniel60" <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote in message
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Commander Kinsey wrote on 11/06/2019 8:09 AM:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:53:25 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 10/06/2019 12:50 AM:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F
bobnospam@gmail.com
wrote:

Snip

You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make
real
money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer. But in most
places,
solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a
couple
of
AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels
that
I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight
levels,
my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the
day)
was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the
panel
costs
in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that
time,
but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power myself
for
that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I
will(/have)
be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be reduced
(to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even.
Ever
heard
of an ISA?

No!

Might be a British acronym. It's a long term savings account.

Is that something like what U.S.A'ians cal a 401K ...

Yep.

what we in Australia call Superannuation??

Nope, that's compulsory. The poms call that NI, National Insurance.

You don't have to pay that.

Yes you do if you are working and are paid more than a pittance.

And are honest.

Honesty is irrelevant with most wage slaves.

Cash in hand.

Very few of the better paid get paid that way anymore.

There are ways round things for everyone.

Nope. Those with most jobs get paid by their employer and
their employer tells the tax dept how much they got paid.

There are a huge number of self employed. A lot of folk don't like having a boss.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:52:26 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 20:44:20 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:41:18 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:35:47 +0100, Rod Speed
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wrote:



"devnull" <devnull@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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On 6/11/19 9:40 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
And if you don't have the money stored in a tax-free IRA, you'll
pay
income tax on your losses.

Dunno what an IRA is, but all ISAs are tax free AFAIK.

Hang on, losses? Surely you pay income tax on your income, not
losses.


Yah, it's called "Republican taxpayer privilege". The bank pays you
2%
interest but inflation goes up 3%.

Essentially you have less buying power at the end of the year and
yet
you
still have to pay taxes on the 2% "gain".

The democrats have lots of slick scams to take money from working
taxpayers and give it to their lazy welfare constituents.

And yet only half pay any income tax. Or are you saying that the Dems
are
so
clever that they have worked out how to make just Repugs pay income
tax
?

Who cares about income tax?

In all but the USA, it's the main tax most pay in the first
world. Only the unemployable dregs like you pay most
of the tax they pay in the VAT and fuel and sin taxes.

It's one of only 50 taxes.

What matters is how much you pay in each one.

VAT is 20%! You will eventually spend all you earn,

Plenty of the better paid don't.

Nobody accumulates money forever.

Plenty with a clue accumulate it till they stop working
and plenty accumulate it and hand it on to their kids too.

If they don't spend it their descendants will.

Plenty of their descendents arent stupid enough to spend it.

If what you were saying was true, there would be an ever increasing number of people with huger and huger amounts of money.

so that's 20% which is significantly similar to the income tax rate.

Not with the better paid. Only the dregs of the labour market.

If you're poor, you pay a low rate,

Yes, the dregs mostly do pay just VAT and petrol and sin taxes.

if you're rich, you bend the rules and pay a low rate.

Not even possible for most of the better paid wage slaves.
Those pay a lot more than 20% income tax.

Nope, once you get really rich you get accountants that fiddle things nicely.

 

[Commander Kinsey]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:45:49 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:21:57 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:

devnull <devnull@127.0.0.1> wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote

In the above cases, the EU is free to change them later. We simply
leave
right now, and everything stays as it is. Then we go about changing
rules to suit ourselves and each other, as though the EU had never
existed.

Why not just change to Sharia law?

His dick is so small that once they hacked the end off it, there wouldn't
be anything left.

Thought it was just the Jewish filth that did that?

Nope, the moslems and yanks do it too.

The yanks do it because they think it's cleaner, not for religion.

 

[Rod Speed]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:44:02 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:13:27 +0100, Rod Speed
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Daniel60" <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote in message
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Commander Kinsey wrote on 11/06/2019 8:09 AM:
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:53:25 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 10/06/2019 12:50 AM:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:01:28 +0100, Daniel60
daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote on 8/06/2019 4:04 AM:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2019 03:46:18 +0100, Bob F
bobnospam@gmail.com
wrote:

Snip

You know this for every supplier in the world?

Well if you live in the desert maybe you can actually make
real
money
instead of stealing it from the taxpayer. But in most
places,
solar
panels are next to useless unless you want to charge up a
couple
of
AA
batteries.

No farm, just a normal 3 bedroom house with 20 solar panels
that
I
installed about two years ago costing about $4,500.00.

Last month, being the start of Winter, i.e. lower sunlight
levels,
my
Solar rebate (after any power I might have used during the
day)
was
$21.49, so, even at this low sunlight rate, I'd repay the
panel
costs
in
about 17.5 years.

O.K., I'd have not earned interest on that $4,500 for that
time,
but,
then again, I'd have been getting 'free' daylight power
myself
for
that
time!!

Taking into account the greater quantity of power I
will(/have)
be
generating during Summer, that pay-back time would be
reduced
(to,
maybe, 10 years'ish!!).

Just saying!!

I wouldn't buy something that took 10 years to break even.
Ever
heard
of an ISA?

No!

Might be a British acronym. It's a long term savings account.

Is that something like what U.S.A'ians cal a 401K ...

Yep.

what we in Australia call Superannuation??

Nope, that's compulsory. The poms call that NI, National
Insurance.

You don't have to pay that.

Yes you do if you are working and are paid more than a pittance.

And are honest.

Honesty is irrelevant with most wage slaves.

Cash in hand.

Very few of the better paid get paid that way anymore.

There are ways round things for everyone.

Nope. Those with most jobs get paid by their employer and
their employer tells the tax dept how much they got paid.

There are a huge number of self employed.

Sure, but plenty of those can't lie about their income
because its mostly electronic and trivial to check.

> A lot of folk don't like having a boss.

 

[Rod Speed]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:52:26 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 20:44:20 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:41:18 +0100, Rod Speed
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wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:35:47 +0100, Rod Speed
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wrote:



"devnull" <devnull@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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On 6/11/19 9:40 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
And if you don't have the money stored in a tax-free IRA, you'll
pay
income tax on your losses.

Dunno what an IRA is, but all ISAs are tax free AFAIK.

Hang on, losses? Surely you pay income tax on your income, not
losses.


Yah, it's called "Republican taxpayer privilege". The bank pays
you
2%
interest but inflation goes up 3%.

Essentially you have less buying power at the end of the year and
yet
you
still have to pay taxes on the 2% "gain".

The democrats have lots of slick scams to take money from working
taxpayers and give it to their lazy welfare constituents.

And yet only half pay any income tax. Or are you saying that the
Dems
are
so
clever that they have worked out how to make just Repugs pay income
tax
?

Who cares about income tax?

In all but the USA, it's the main tax most pay in the first
world. Only the unemployable dregs like you pay most
of the tax they pay in the VAT and fuel and sin taxes.

It's one of only 50 taxes.

What matters is how much you pay in each one.

VAT is 20%! You will eventually spend all you earn,

Plenty of the better paid don't.

Nobody accumulates money forever.

Plenty with a clue accumulate it till they stop working
and plenty accumulate it and hand it on to their kids too.

If they don't spend it their descendants will.

Plenty of their descendents arent stupid enough to spend it.

If what you were saying was true, there would be an ever increasing number
of people with huger and huger amounts of money.

so that's 20% which is significantly similar to the income tax rate.

Not with the better paid. Only the dregs of the labour market.

If you're poor, you pay a low rate,

Yes, the dregs mostly do pay just VAT and petrol and sin taxes.

if you're rich, you bend the rules and pay a low rate.

Not even possible for most of the better paid wage slaves.
Those pay a lot more than 20% income tax.

Nope,

Yep.

> once you get really rich you get accountants that fiddle things nicely.

We werent discussing the really rich.

 

[Rod Speed]

"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:45:49 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:21:57 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:

devnull <devnull@127.0.0.1> wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote

In the above cases, the EU is free to change them later. We simply
leave
right now, and everything stays as it is. Then we go about changing
rules to suit ourselves and each other, as though the EU had never
existed.

Why not just change to Sharia law?

His dick is so small that once they hacked the end off it, there
wouldn't
be anything left.

Thought it was just the Jewish filth that did that?

Nope, the moslems and yanks do it too.

The yanks do it because they think it's cleaner,

Wrong, as always.

> not for religion.

 

[Xeno]

On 12/6/19 9:09 am, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:45:49 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:



"Commander Kinsey" <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:21:57 +0100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
wrote:

devnull <devnull@127.0.0.1> wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote

In the above cases, the EU is free to change them later.  We simply
leave
right now, and everything stays as it is.  Then we go about changing
rules to suit ourselves and each other, as though the EU had never
existed.

Why not just change to Sharia law?

His dick is so small that once they hacked the end off it, there
wouldn't
be anything left.

Thought it was just the Jewish filth that did that?

Nope, the moslems and yanks do it too.

The yanks do it because they think it's cleaner, not for religion.

So you think the moslems and jews *don't* do it for cleanliness? You
would be wrong. A lot of these attitudes to certain things only become
*ritual* after a long period of use or even enforcement because of
cleanliness.

--

Xeno


Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)