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[rbowman]

On Wed, 31 May 2023 08:26:57 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

Dyed cheddar is considerably darker orange than American cheese,
even in the Midwest. I\'ve seen (and purchased) white American.

Wispride was (is?) an interesting color. In truth the stuff wasn\'t that
bad, or at least better than cheese balls (not the kind you use to catch
bullheads)

What would white trash cooking be without Velveeta and Marshmallow
Fluff?

For your consideration:

https://www.atlasobscura.com/foods/fluff-screamer

Urpp.. It\'s a wonder they don\'t marinate the burger in Karo Syrup.

 

[John Larkin]

On 30 May 2023 22:35:01 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 07:50:56 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

There is a feeling among many Americans that cheese is a yellow color
rarely seen in nature.

Cite?

If this was not the case why is so much cheese and \'cheese food\' dyed with
annatto or FDA #4 and #6 yellow? Why does Tillamook make both white and
yellow (orange) cheddar where the latter has annatto?

Annatto is a spice, with its own flavor. Maybe some people like it.

Even the French make flavored and orange-colored cheeses. Bourisin.
Pave du Nord.

 

[Scott Lurndal]

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> writes:

On 30 May 2023 22:35:01 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 07:50:56 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

There is a feeling among many Americans that cheese is a yellow color
rarely seen in nature.

Cite?

If this was not the case why is so much cheese and \'cheese food\' dyed with
annatto or FDA #4 and #6 yellow? Why does Tillamook make both white and
yellow (orange) cheddar where the latter has annatto?

Annatto is a spice, with its own flavor. Maybe some people like it.

The boxed kraft macaroni /and/ cheese switched a few years ago
from yellow dye #315135 and now use a combination of annatto and
turmeric to color their powdered sauce base.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 31/05/2023 15:08, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 08:39:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 31/05/2023 00:01, rbowman wrote:
You certainly seem to think the Falklands should be yours. I suppose as
the empire vanished you had to hold on to something for old times sake.
The Falklands have never belonged to anyone else, but Britain, the
Falkland islanders absolutely want to stay British, but Argentina, once
one of the wealthiest countries in the world after ceasing to be part of
Spain, has economic problems and its a convenient distraction for the
government there to claim it \'ought\' to be theirs, despite *never ever
having been so*.

Largely because there may well be oil and gas reserves under it.

Why don\'t you shut your fucking loudmouth and go an invade Cuba, where
probably the majority of the citizens would welcome being American,
having lost their love of Marxist austerity and Che Guevara?

If an oppressive government is starving its people and
arresting/torturing/killing dissidents, do the developed countries of
the world have a moral obligation to intervene?

North Korea. Cuba. Haiti. Zimbabwe. Many others.

I think so.

Morality has very little place in realpolitik.
The issue is whether interfering in someone else\'s government bring
rewards or just cost money and lives, Cf Afghanistan.


--
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such
time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for
the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the
truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

Joseph Goebbels

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 31/05/2023 15:24, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 11:35:36 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-05-31, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 30/05/2023 17:16, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/05/2023 16:36, Max Demian wrote:
On 30/05/2023 15:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/05/2023 15:25, John Larkin wrote:

In reading 18th and 19th century novels, it\'s shocking how usual death
was.

Christ how old are you? I was about age 7 when I read the saccharine
\'Secret Garden\' in which a girl is orphaned by her parents dying of
cholera.

The lesson from that novel would be that a disability can be cured by
a magic garden.

Try reading it.
The lesson is that snoflakes are always whining and encouraging others
to whine even when there is nothing wrong


TB was a major cause of young death - half the bloody Romantics died
of it.

Yes, TB was a very romantic disease.

What an unbelievably stupid comment.

\"Romantic\" as in \"common in romances\" i.e. stories.

\"Romantic\" as in:

\"Romanticism, first defined as an aesthetic in literary criticism around
1800, gained momentum as an artistic movement in France and Britain in
the early decades of the nineteenth century and flourished until
mid-century.\"

Byron, Shelley, Keats, Blake

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6390731/

Excellent reference. Thank you

--
How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don\'t think.

Adolf Hitler

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 31/05/2023 15:44, John Larkin wrote:

What\'s weird is that foreigners who don\'t like the USA love California
or Texas or the west in general. I blame Sergio Leone. So I don\'t say
I\'m from the USA, I say I\'m from San Francisco. That makes people
smile and tell stories.

I like the USA, but not california any longer. I never ;liked New York
or Boston or chicago.

My best memories are the flyover states. They may be full of bible
thumping rednecks, but I actually kinda relate to all that.

And they aren\'t full of complete idiots.
I want the San Francisco experience I can always put in a buttplug and
visit Brighton


--
How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don\'t think.

Adolf Hitler

 

[Peeler]

On 31 May 2023 14:48:24 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> Kosovo?

Yes? More off topic shit? Right?

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had been severed from Germany proper by the Danzig Corridor.\"
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[Peeler]

On 31 May 2023 14:46:28 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> One recipe I remember called for a springform pan.

A recipe you remember? Surely you will tell us about that recipe again, you
endlessly gossiping washerwoman. <BG>

<FLUSH rest of senile crap unread again>

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the handbrake. release the handbrake\'. He didn\'t, stalled the engine and
failed. The next time went better.\"
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[Peeler]

On 31 May 2023 15:00:57 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> Wispride

That word made me instantly think of your always widespread big mouth! How
come? LOL

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\"It\'s been years since I\'ve been in a fast food burger joint but I used
to like Wendy\'s because they had a salad bar and baked potatoes.\"
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[John Larkin]

On Wed, 31 May 2023 16:19:18 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> writes:
On 30 May 2023 22:35:01 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 07:50:56 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

There is a feeling among many Americans that cheese is a yellow color
rarely seen in nature.

Cite?

If this was not the case why is so much cheese and \'cheese food\' dyed with
annatto or FDA #4 and #6 yellow? Why does Tillamook make both white and
yellow (orange) cheddar where the latter has annatto?

Annatto is a spice, with its own flavor. Maybe some people like it.

The boxed kraft macaroni /and/ cheese switched a few years ago
from yellow dye #315135 and now use a combination of annatto and
turmeric to color their powdered sauce base.

I haven\'t tried the Kraft, but the Annie\'s pasta kits in a box are
really pretty good. Keep some around for earthquakes and power grid
collapse and camping and stuff.

https://www.annies.com/products/classic-cheddar-mac-cheese

Humans have consumed dried and preserved foods forever.

I suspect that in taste tests, people will prefer certain food colors.
There are probably evolutionary reasons for that.

 

[Scott Lurndal]

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> writes:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 16:19:18 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> writes:
On 30 May 2023 22:35:01 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Tue, 30 May 2023 07:50:56 -0700, John Larkin wrote:

There is a feeling among many Americans that cheese is a yellow color
rarely seen in nature.

Cite?

If this was not the case why is so much cheese and \'cheese food\' dyed with
annatto or FDA #4 and #6 yellow? Why does Tillamook make both white and
yellow (orange) cheddar where the latter has annatto?

Annatto is a spice, with its own flavor. Maybe some people like it.

The boxed kraft macaroni /and/ cheese switched a few years ago
from yellow dye #315135 and now use a combination of annatto and
turmeric to color their powdered sauce base.

I haven\'t tried the Kraft.

It\'s not bad. I\'ve tried the Annies and I prefer the Kraft (the
macaroni is better than Annies).

Both can be improved with various additions like tuna, shredded
chicken, diced ham or smoked pork & chopped dill pickle and a
bit of fresh parmesan.

 

[Max Demian]

On 31/05/2023 15:27, John Larkin wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 14:16:01 +0100, Max Demian
max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On 30/05/2023 21:49, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 05:38:51 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2023 02:51:26 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

Life spans, from birth, have roughly doubled since Pride and Prejudice
was published. About half of newborns didn\'t survive to 5.

But they weren\'t killed by raw milk.

Some certainly were. Are you a raw milk fan?

google childhood deaths unpasteurized milk

Are you a raw milk fan?

I am. Anything you do to milk impairs the flavour.

Like making yogurt or ice cream?

I\'m talking about products that still call themselves milk. I like ice
cream, double cream, butter and cheese.

And as for modern,
homogenised, \"standardised\" milk. Just white water.

Doesn\'t taste like water.

Doesn\'t taste much like \"raw\" (i.e. actual) milk.

--
Max Demian

 

[Rod Speed]

On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 00:08:10 +1000, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 08:39:27 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 31/05/2023 00:01, rbowman wrote:
You certainly seem to think the Falklands should be yours. I suppose as
the empire vanished you had to hold on to something for old times sake.
The Falklands have never belonged to anyone else, but Britain, the
Falkland islanders absolutely want to stay British, but Argentina, once
one of the wealthiest countries in the world after ceasing to be part of
Spain, has economic problems and its a convenient distraction for the
government there to claim it \'ought\' to be theirs, despite *never ever
having been so*.

Largely because there may well be oil and gas reserves under it.

Why don\'t you shut your fucking loudmouth and go an invade Cuba, where
probably the majority of the citizens would welcome being American,
having lost their love of Marxist austerity and Che Guevara?

If an oppressive government is starving its people and
arresting/torturing/killing dissidents, do the developed countries of
the world have a moral obligation to intervene?

North Korea. Cuba. Haiti. Zimbabwe. Many others.

I think so.

Do you feel the same way about them intervening in how
you lot do things, like shoot ups in schools and you ghettos ?

 

[Rod Speed]

On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 00:58:45 +1000, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 04:46:56 +1000, \"Rod Speed\"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 00:50:56 +1000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On 29 May 2023 04:00:37 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 28 May 2023 19:49:42 +0100, Max Demian wrote:

Looks rather revolting, with the bright yellow. Is that artificial
colouring?

You betcha...

https://sites.google.com/site/gotitsortd/kraft-mac-cheese-ingredients

\"Kraft Macaroni and Cheese cheese sauce mix also includes FD&C yellow
dyes
number 5 and 6 for the characteristic bright yellow color of the
cheese
sauce.\"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cheese

There is a feeling among many Americans that cheese is a yellow color
rarely seen in nature.

Cite?



But that makes sense. There *are* many Americans. There are even many
color-blind Americans.

There is no form of color blindness that would produce that
result with the color of cheese.

I suspect that different people may see colors very differently.

You\'d be wrong.

How could you know?

Color blindness has been very extensively studied because
it makes a big difference to some fields of work and liesure.

 

[Peeler]

On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 06:11:53 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

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[Peeler]

On Thu, 01 Jun 2023 06:19:27 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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trouble.\"
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[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-05-31, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 08:30:57 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
hamilton@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2023-05-30, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 May 2023 17:27:19 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

Every few years we make cheesecake. That\'s about all the cream cheese I
use.

I tried one of those hideous Jello productions once. After that I left
cheesecake making to the pros and even some of them aren\'t too good at it.

Jello? Who said anything about Jello? Cheesecake is, as they say,
easy as pie. Here\'s the recipe my husband uses. I think Mary Ellen
St. John is a relative of his.

Mary Ellen St John\'s Cream Cheese Pie

Crust:
1/4 pound butter, melted
16 graham cracker squares, coarsely crushed (1 square = 4 crackers)
1/4 cup brown sugar

Mix crust ingredients, press into 12\" glass pie plate. Blind bake
at 350 F for 8 minutes.


Filling:
1 pound cream cheese at room temperature
3/4 cup sugar
3 eggs well beaten
1 teaspoon vanilla

Mix filling ingredients with electric mixer until smooth.
Pour into prepared pie crust. Bake at 350 F for 20 minutes.
(Make sure center is firm.)

Topping:
1 pint sour cream
1/2 cup sugar
1 teaspoon vanilla

Mix topping ingredients and pour over baked pie. Return to
oven for 5-8 minutes at 350 F.

Chill pie before serving.

Note: 12\" pie plates are pretty rare. This also works in a 9x10\"
glass pan.

Last step, give most of it away. If you don\'t, you\'ll eat all of it
yourself and gain 10 pounds.

It freezes pretty well. We cut it up into a bunch of servings,
froze it, and defrosted them one or two at a time over a period
of several months.

When we were still working, our co-workers always benefited from
our largesse.

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-05-31, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 31 May 2023 08:30:57 GMT, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

Note: 12\" pie plates are pretty rare. This also works in a 9x10\"
glass pan.

One recipe I remember called for a springform pan. It sounded like a
recipe for disaster.

That\'s common. It makes a deep cheesecake that is fairly difficult
to bake through. A water bath helps, but for me it\'s just not worth
the effort.

Anyway the truth is I don\'t need a whole cheesecake
sitting around tempting me.

https://adventuresofmel.com/strawberry-miracle-cheesecake-recipe-box/

That was the sort I meant. It sucks. I never liked lemon meringue pie so
the lemon jello may be the real show stopper although the texture is too
fluffy.

Of course it sucks. That\'s why we make cheesecake the traditional
way.

I\'ve never liked lemon in cheesecake, although lemon juice and
lemon zest are pretty common in various recipes.

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[Gerhard Hoffmann]

Am 30.05.23 um 20:46 schrieb Rod Speed:

I suspect that different people may see colors very differently.

You\'d be wrong.

In the 1790s, a guy named John Dalton discovered that his (and his
brothers) perception of colors was different from other peoples perception.

He realized that when observing the flowers of geranium zonale
in daylight and in candle light. it appeared blue to him in sunlight but
red with the candle. That did not happen with other people.

Memoirs of the Manchester Literary And Philosophical Society.
Book 5, pages 28++ 1798

Color blindness was called \"Le Daltonisme\" in France.

Gerhard

(taken from secondary literature)

 

[Rod Speed]

Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> wrote

Rod Speed: wrote

I suspect that different people may see colors very differently.

You\'d be wrong.

In the 1790s, a guy named John Dalton discovered that his (and his
brothers) perception of colors was different from other peoples
perception.

But not VERY differently in normal situations.

He realized that when observing the flowers of geranium zonale
in daylight and in candle light. it appeared blue to him in sunlight but
red with the candle. That did not happen with other people.

Memoirs of the Manchester Literary And Philosophical Society.
Book 5, pages 28++ 1798

Color blindness was called \"Le Daltonisme\" in France.

Gerhard

(taken from secondary literature)