usenet

[Trevor Wilson]

On 17/06/2013 1:19 PM, F Murtz wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 17/06/2013 12:30 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 16/06/2013 12:46 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/06/2013 10:04 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/06/2013 3:55 PM, F Murtz wrote:
I have been trying to talk to someone in telstra about usenet and
none
of the technical people I have spoken to know what it is, does
anyone
know the name of an individual technical person in telstra that
that
knows usenet that I can ask the case manager to find for me as
they
can
not find such an expert?

**For fuck's sake, give it a rest. Pay 5 Bucks and use a private
news
service.

Why pay for something I should not have to?

Already paying eighty dollars for this one (bundle)which is my main
reason for the Internet, rarely use the phone sometimes use broad
band
to catch up missed tv, major interest newsgroups, bit of research
etc
Have eternal sept but it does not have as many groups as bigpond and
does not have binaries.

**Cite the precise words in your contract with Telstra, where they
guarantee you free access to newsgroups.

Did I ever say it did, just as it probably does non guarantee the mail
server.

**Bollocks. They ALL guarantee a mail server and at least one email
address. NONE guarantee newsgroup access.

Pay the 5 Bucks and shut the fuck up.

Anyway the $5 you are talking about is that per month?

**No. PA.



From where?

** news.individual.net

They don't do binaries. When I required binaries, I used these guys:

unlimited.newshosting.com

Expensive though. Still, excellent retention and impressive range of NGs.

--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au

 

[F Murtz]

Trevor Wilson wrote:

On 17/06/2013 1:19 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 17/06/2013 12:30 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 16/06/2013 12:46 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/06/2013 10:04 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/06/2013 3:55 PM, F Murtz wrote:
I have been trying to talk to someone in telstra about usenet and
none
of the technical people I have spoken to know what it is, does
anyone
know the name of an individual technical person in telstra that
that
knows usenet that I can ask the case manager to find for me as
they
can
not find such an expert?

**For fuck's sake, give it a rest. Pay 5 Bucks and use a private
news
service.

Why pay for something I should not have to?

Already paying eighty dollars for this one (bundle)which is my main
reason for the Internet, rarely use the phone sometimes use broad
band
to catch up missed tv, major interest newsgroups, bit of research
etc
Have eternal sept but it does not have as many groups as bigpond
and
does not have binaries.

**Cite the precise words in your contract with Telstra, where they
guarantee you free access to newsgroups.

Did I ever say it did, just as it probably does non guarantee the
mail
server.

**Bollocks. They ALL guarantee a mail server and at least one email
address. NONE guarantee newsgroup access.

Pay the 5 Bucks and shut the fuck up.

Anyway the $5 you are talking about is that per month?

**No. PA.



From where?

** news.individual.net

They don't do binaries. When I required binaries, I used these guys:

unlimited.newshosting.com

Expensive though. Still, excellent retention and impressive range of NGs.

I am going to have to work out whether I need binaries enough to make
the cost worth it.
It looks like $50 block for ever?? from these guys seem the best deal
http://www.news.astraweb.com/plans.html

 

[F Murtz]

F Murtz wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 17/06/2013 1:19 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 17/06/2013 12:30 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 16/06/2013 12:46 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 12/06/2013 10:04 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
On 11/06/2013 3:55 PM, F Murtz wrote:
I have been trying to talk to someone in telstra about usenet
and
none
of the technical people I have spoken to know what it is, does
anyone
know the name of an individual technical person in telstra that
that
knows usenet that I can ask the case manager to find for me as
they
can
not find such an expert?

**For fuck's sake, give it a rest. Pay 5 Bucks and use a private
news
service.

Why pay for something I should not have to?

Already paying eighty dollars for this one (bundle)which is my
main
reason for the Internet, rarely use the phone sometimes use broad
band
to catch up missed tv, major interest newsgroups, bit of research
etc
Have eternal sept but it does not have as many groups as bigpond
and
does not have binaries.

**Cite the precise words in your contract with Telstra, where they
guarantee you free access to newsgroups.

Did I ever say it did, just as it probably does non guarantee the
mail
server.

**Bollocks. They ALL guarantee a mail server and at least one email
address. NONE guarantee newsgroup access.

Pay the 5 Bucks and shut the fuck up.

Anyway the $5 you are talking about is that per month?

**No. PA.



From where?

** news.individual.net

They don't do binaries. When I required binaries, I used these guys:

unlimited.newshosting.com

Expensive though. Still, excellent retention and impressive range of NGs.


I am going to have to work out whether I need binaries enough to make
the cost worth it.
It looks like $50 block for ever?? from these guys seem the best deal
http://www.news.astraweb.com/plans.html
1 Terrabyte block

 

[Andy]

F Murtz wrote:

F Murtz wrote:

I am going to have to work out whether I need binaries enough to make
the cost worth it.
It looks like $50 block for ever?? from these guys seem the best deal
http://www.news.astraweb.com/plans.html

1 Terrabyte block

AstraWeb have been suggested numerous times upthread.

You could trial them for a measly *$10* for a 25GB block and see how you
like their service - If you're just downloading images even a 25GB block
should last _ages_.

--
Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

 

[keithr]

On 16/06/2013 12:37 PM, F Murtz wrote:

Jeßus wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jun 2013 23:28:12 +1000, F Murtz <haggisz@hotmail.com
wrote:


Not much but I can now not get art and photography binary pics etc on
newsgroups.
I am not sure whether it is worth the money as eternal sept is free for
the rest but it is so annoying because when when I started with telstra
the news server was part of the deal just like the mail server.
I realize you can get photos etc on the web but not from the same like
minded source.

Incidentally, which specific binary groups are you after?
Because I'm using E-S right now, and it does carry a number of binary
groups... alt.binaries.food, for example, been reading that group here
on E-S for years now.

It only seem to carry about 14 oe less binary pictures groups, whereas
bigpond had a lot more

If photography is what you are after, why not join something like this

http://www.photoforum.com.au

Face it, Usenet is slowly dying many people are leaving for forums
specialising in their subject. Forums are more flexible for things like
pictures and they, in general, are moderated with a lot less noise and
flames. This gives ISPs a lot less reasons to maintain their news
servers and I expect a lot less to do so in the future..

 

[Jeßus]

On 18 Jun 2013 09:13:34 GMT, Andy <nospam@no.no> wrote:

F Murtz wrote:

F Murtz wrote:

I am going to have to work out whether I need binaries enough to make
the cost worth it.
It looks like $50 block for ever?? from these guys seem the best deal
http://www.news.astraweb.com/plans.html

1 Terrabyte block

AstraWeb have been suggested numerous times upthread.

You could trial them for a measly *$10* for a 25GB block and see how you
like their service - If you're just downloading images even a 25GB block
should last _ages_.

Some servers even offer free trials (Giganews used to at least).
If he has a CC or DC, then he could at least *try* some and then learn
what the advantages of a real server are. At no cost... unless he now
turns around and claims he doesn't trust them with his CC details...

 

[Jeßus]

On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:09:26 +1000, keithr <user@domain.invalid>
wrote:

Face it, Usenet is slowly dying many people are leaving for forums
specialising in their subject. Forums are more flexible for things like
pictures and they, in general, are moderated with a lot less noise and
flames. This gives ISPs a lot less reasons to maintain their news
servers and I expect a lot less to do so in the future..

Yes, well thanks for encouraging the demise of Usenet... talk about a
self-fulfilling outcome with that attitude

If/when Usenet is gone, I'll be checking emails, buying shit, or
downloading shit. And that's about all.

 

[F Murtz]

Jeßus wrote:

On 18 Jun 2013 09:13:34 GMT, Andy <nospam@no.no> wrote:

F Murtz wrote:

F Murtz wrote:

I am going to have to work out whether I need binaries enough to make
the cost worth it.
It looks like $50 block for ever?? from these guys seem the best deal
http://www.news.astraweb.com/plans.html

1 Terrabyte block

AstraWeb have been suggested numerous times upthread.

You could trial them for a measly *$10* for a 25GB block and see how you
like their service - If you're just downloading images even a 25GB block
should last _ages_.

Some servers even offer free trials (Giganews used to at least).
If he has a CC or DC, then he could at least *try* some and then learn
what the advantages of a real server are. At no cost... unless he now
turns around and claims he doesn't trust them with his CC details...

Don't mind cc details in the case of one offs(no more unannounced

charges in a years time), do mind if they require signing up for direct
debit.

 

[Noddy]

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kpr3n8$964$1@dont-email.me...

Don't mind cc details in the case of one offs(no more unannounced charges
in a years time), do mind if they require signing up for direct debit.

So open a bank account and use it for nothing other that a direct debit
account and only put the required monthly amount in it each month. You then
have total control as to how much the payments are and how long you want
them to continue.

There's plenty of ways around this that *don't* involve whinging

--
Regards,
Noddy.

 

[Jeßus]

On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 12:40:21 +1000, "Noddy" <me@home.com> wrote:

"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kpr3n8$964$1@dont-email.me...

Don't mind cc details in the case of one offs(no more unannounced charges
in a years time), do mind if they require signing up for direct debit.

So open a bank account and use it for nothing other that a direct debit
account and only put the required monthly amount in it each month. You then
have total control as to how much the payments are and how long you want
them to continue.

There's plenty of ways around this that *don't* involve whinging

Yup, although I'd suggest a VISA debit card linked to a bank account
rather than just a plain old bank account, as that gives you another
commonly used payment method... and a little better protection
(depending on where or who you buy from).
I have just such an account for all online purchases.

 

[Andy]

Jeßus wrote:

On 18 Jun 2013 09:13:34 GMT, Andy <nospam@no.no> wrote:

F Murtz wrote:

F Murtz wrote:

I am going to have to work out whether I need binaries enough to make
the cost worth it.
It looks like $50 block for ever?? from these guys seem the best deal
http://www.news.astraweb.com/plans.html

1 Terrabyte block

AstraWeb have been suggested numerous times upthread.

You could trial them for a measly *$10* for a 25GB block and see how you
like their service - If you're just downloading images even a 25GB block
should last _ages_.

Some servers even offer free trials (Giganews used to at least).
If he has a CC or DC, then he could at least *try* some and then learn
what the advantages of a real server are. At no cost... unless he now
turns around and claims he doesn't trust them with his CC details...

Astraweb accept PayPal and have done for some time, so there's no need
to provide CC/banking details directly to them.

--
Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

 

[keithr]

On 19/06/2013 9:32 AM, Jeßus wrote:

On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:09:26 +1000, keithr <user@domain.invalid
wrote:

Face it, Usenet is slowly dying many people are leaving for forums
specialising in their subject. Forums are more flexible for things like
pictures and they, in general, are moderated with a lot less noise and
flames. This gives ISPs a lot less reasons to maintain their news
servers and I expect a lot less to do so in the future..

Yes, well thanks for encouraging the demise of Usenet... talk about a
self-fulfilling outcome with that attitude

If/when Usenet is gone, I'll be checking emails, buying shit, or
downloading shit. And that's about all.

I'll stay with it too, but we are in the minority. I use the internet as

a big reference library, I've given up buying programming books, its
quicker and cheaper to just google it.

 

[F Murtz]

Jeßus wrote:

On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 12:40:21 +1000, "Noddy" <me@home.com> wrote:


"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kpr3n8$964$1@dont-email.me...

Don't mind cc details in the case of one offs(no more unannounced charges
in a years time), do mind if they require signing up for direct debit.

So open a bank account and use it for nothing other that a direct debit
account and only put the required monthly amount in it each month. You then
have total control as to how much the payments are and how long you want
them to continue.

There's plenty of ways around this that *don't* involve whinging

Yup, although I'd suggest a VISA debit card linked to a bank account
rather than just a plain old bank account, as that gives you another
commonly used payment method... and a little better protection
(depending on where or who you buy from).
I have just such an account for all online purchases.

That is what I have, VISA debit card But not dedicated to online

purchases, most online is paypal

 

[F Murtz]

Andy wrote:

Jeßus wrote:

On 18 Jun 2013 09:13:34 GMT, Andy <nospam@no.no> wrote:

F Murtz wrote:

F Murtz wrote:

I am going to have to work out whether I need binaries enough to make
the cost worth it.
It looks like $50 block for ever?? from these guys seem the best deal
http://www.news.astraweb.com/plans.html

1 Terrabyte block

AstraWeb have been suggested numerous times upthread.

You could trial them for a measly *$10* for a 25GB block and see how you
like their service - If you're just downloading images even a 25GB block
should last _ages_.

Some servers even offer free trials (Giganews used to at least).
If he has a CC or DC, then he could at least *try* some and then learn
what the advantages of a real server are. At no cost... unless he now
turns around and claims he doesn't trust them with his CC details...

Astraweb accept PayPal and have done for some time, so there's no need
to provide CC/banking details directly to them.

Good.

 

[Jeßus]

On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 21:06:49 +1000, keithr <user@domain.invalid>
wrote:

On 19/06/2013 9:32 AM, Jeßus wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:09:26 +1000, keithr <user@domain.invalid
wrote:

Face it, Usenet is slowly dying many people are leaving for forums
specialising in their subject. Forums are more flexible for things like
pictures and they, in general, are moderated with a lot less noise and
flames. This gives ISPs a lot less reasons to maintain their news
servers and I expect a lot less to do so in the future..

Yes, well thanks for encouraging the demise of Usenet... talk about a
self-fulfilling outcome with that attitude

If/when Usenet is gone, I'll be checking emails, buying shit, or
downloading shit. And that's about all.

I'll stay with it too, but we are in the minority. I use the internet as
a big reference library, I've given up buying programming books, its
quicker and cheaper to just google it.

Yeah, I forgot about that one, definitely the ultimate resource.
But as for 'social networks' go, this is it for me. I have a Faecebook
account but I use it for the for sale groups and some special interest
stuff.

 

[Blue Heeler]

keithr wrote:

Face it, Usenet is slowly dying many people are leaving for forums
specialising in their subject. Forums are more flexible for things
like pictures and they, in general, are moderated with a lot less
noise and flames. This gives ISPs a lot less reasons to maintain
their news servers and I expect a lot less to do so in the future..

Forums are not the answer, they are a solution looking for a problem.
In many forums, whilst the level of politness is higher (funny how
giving someone a badge and making them the sheriff can do that), there
are still just as many inane and pointless posts.

Worst of all you cannot kill file a forum so that you don't see the
crap from the loonies (take a bow Jonz).

I'm involved in a BMW motorcycle forum and wanted to know if I could
get away with replacing the cam whilst leaving the cylinders in place.

Two days of drivel telling me stuff i already knew until someone
offered to Pm me and confirmed that I could and told me the things to
watch out for in the process.

I think the signal to noise ratio in forums is worse because Usenet,
whilst a complete anarchy requires a particularly robust form of
stupidity to hang around if you are not wanted (eg David Z, Ozliar and
of course the pie smasher). But, at least in Usenet they can be kill
filed.
--

 

[Noddy]

On 20/06/13 7:50 AM, Blue Heeler wrote:

Forums are not the answer, they are a solution looking for a problem.
In many forums, whilst the level of politness is higher (funny how
giving someone a badge and making them the sheriff can do that), there
are still just as many inane and pointless posts.

Yup. Personally I find them way worse than here, and especially when
there are moderators.

Worst of all you cannot kill file a forum so that you don't see the
crap from the loonies (take a bow Jonz).

Sadly.

I'm involved in a BMW motorcycle forum and wanted to know if I could
get away with replacing the cam whilst leaving the cylinders in place.

Two days of drivel telling me stuff i already knew until someone
offered to Pm me and confirmed that I could and told me the things to
watch out for in the process.

I think the signal to noise ratio in forums is worse because Usenet,
whilst a complete anarchy requires a particularly robust form of
stupidity to hang around if you are not wanted (eg David Z, Ozliar and
of course the pie smasher). But, at least in Usenet they can be kill
filed.

Absolutely.



--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

 

[D Walford]

On 20/06/2013 7:50 AM, Blue Heeler wrote:

keithr wrote:

Face it, Usenet is slowly dying many people are leaving for forums
specialising in their subject. Forums are more flexible for things
like pictures and they, in general, are moderated with a lot less
noise and flames. This gives ISPs a lot less reasons to maintain
their news servers and I expect a lot less to do so in the future..


Forums are not the answer, they are a solution looking for a problem.
In many forums, whilst the level of politness is higher (funny how
giving someone a badge and making them the sheriff can do that), there
are still just as many inane and pointless posts.

Worst of all you cannot kill file a forum so that you don't see the
crap from the loonies (take a bow Jonz).

I'm involved in a BMW motorcycle forum and wanted to know if I could
get away with replacing the cam whilst leaving the cylinders in place.

Two days of drivel telling me stuff i already knew until someone
offered to Pm me and confirmed that I could and told me the things to
watch out for in the process.

I think the signal to noise ratio in forums is worse because Usenet,
whilst a complete anarchy requires a particularly robust form of
stupidity to hang around if you are not wanted (eg David Z, Ozliar and
of course the pie smasher). But, at least in Usenet they can be kill
filed.

Agree, despite some of the crap its still a good source of valuable
information.


Daryl

 

[F Murtz]

Blue Heeler wrote:

keithr wrote:

Face it, Usenet is slowly dying many people are leaving for forums
specialising in their subject. Forums are more flexible for things
like pictures and they, in general, are moderated with a lot less
noise and flames. This gives ISPs a lot less reasons to maintain
their news servers and I expect a lot less to do so in the future..


Forums are not the answer, they are a solution looking for a problem.
In many forums, whilst the level of politness is higher (funny how
giving someone a badge and making them the sheriff can do that), there
are still just as many inane and pointless posts.

Worst of all you cannot kill file a forum so that you don't see the
crap from the loonies (take a bow Jonz).

I'm involved in a BMW motorcycle forum and wanted to know if I could
get away with replacing the cam whilst leaving the cylinders in place.

Two days of drivel telling me stuff i already knew until someone
offered to Pm me and confirmed that I could and told me the things to
watch out for in the process.

I think the signal to noise ratio in forums is worse because Usenet,
whilst a complete anarchy requires a particularly robust form of
stupidity to hang around if you are not wanted (eg David Z, Ozliar and
of course the pie smasher). But, at least in Usenet they can be kill
filed.

There is a good web based bmw forum try boxerworks

 

[Blue Heeler]

F Murtz wrote:

There is a good web based bmw forum try boxerworks

TA... Found what I needed.


I think that I'll be ready for the R65 to make noise in about a
fortnight. That is to say I have about 3 hours work left to do when my
parcel from motobins.co.uk arrives.

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